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Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« on: January 22, 2015, 10:12:38 AM »
Even though World Trade Center 7 wasn't even hit by a plane, are we still supposed to believe that Saudi Arabia managed to make that steel structured building collapse into the past of most resistance at virtual free-fall speed, and that criminal elements within our government merely "stood down" and "let" them do it?

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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2015, 10:58:35 AM »
Was it Saudi Arabia, Israel, factions within our own government?  Does it matter?  Our Country is enshrined with lies, (Moon Landing, JFK, Oklahoma City Bombing, 9/11, Bin Laden Assassination, etc).  If you haven't woken up by 2015, you probably won't because most of the smoking gun evidence is being periodically destroyed. 

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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2015, 11:05:41 AM »
Lets learn the lesson from Edward Snowdon.

Remember how the Snowdon revelations brought down the US Govt, how the NSA got shutdown, the lengthy trials on TV, and how the ripple spread through other 5 Eyes Countries bring down there Govts, how Germany kicked out the US Troops . . .

You don't remember all that do you . . .
Go back to sleep . . .

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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2015, 11:10:12 AM »
Was it Saudi Arabia, Israel, factions within our own government?  Does it matter?

Actually it does, because as long as it can be blamed (primarily if not exclusively) on any government other than our own, the banker-owned military-industrial complex will continue to have the excuse it needs to perpetuate its imperialist war policies (which are bankrupting this nation, and turning other nations into hell-holes).
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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2015, 11:27:56 AM »
Actually it does, because as long as it can be blamed (primarily if not exclusively) on any government other than our own, the banker-owned military-industrial complex will continue to have the excuse it needs to perpetuate its imperialist war policies (which are bankrupting this nation, and turning other nations into hell-holes).

Well pastor rambles on to much lindsey williams, and I'll explain it all latter, but only if you buy my DVD, said the last country they wanted to collapse was Saudia Arabia.

But then again, as proven, they don't need an actual phsyical excuse, they just switch the news narrative, ask Putin if you don't believe me.

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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2015, 11:37:09 AM »
9/11 SYNTHETIC TERRORISM MADE IN USA

http://www.american-buddha.com/911.syntheticterrorpreface2nd.htm

9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA - 2nd Edition Updates, Jan. 2006

Table of Contents

Preface:

"LIHOP and MIHOP" Analyses of 9/11
THE FIFTEEN DRILLS OF 9/11
ABLE DANGER: 2.5 TERABYTES OF TREASON
SAS CAR BOMBERS IN BASRA
Appendix:
The London Explosions, The Rogue Network, Bush, and Iran
The Phony War on Terror: Time to Quarantine the Real Aggressors
(The actual book also includes new illustrations and an expanded index. )

PREFACE TO THE SECOND EDITION

"Why the thermonuclear mushroom cloud on the cover?" That question has come from a number of readers of this book, who probably expected to find the more usual photographs of the World Trade Center tragedy, or the explosions at the Pentagon which are seen on the covers of other 9/11 books. The mushroom cloud is there to signal that this book is concerned not only with what did happen on 9/11, but with also with larger tragedies which came close to happening, but which ultimately did not occur. Among these was the threat of thermonuclear escalation among the great powers. Important material which has come to light during 2005, after the first edition of this book was published, provides decisive support for this avenue of inquiry, and to this new material we will turn presently.

But first, a note on methodology. This book argues the rogue network MIHOP ("made it happen on purpose") position. That is to say, it represents the analytical point of view which sees the events of September 11, 2001 as a deliberate provocation manufactured by an outlaw network of high officials infesting the military and security apparatus of the United States and Great Britain, a network ultimately dominated by Wall Street and City of London financiers. It is our contention that any other approach not only misrepresents what actually happened in the terror attacks, but also must tend to leave the public naive and helpless when it comes to identifying the present and future threat of state-sponsored, false flag synthetic terrorism, and therefore preventing repeat performances of 9/11, including on a far larger scale.

What are the alternatives to MIHOP? There is of course the official version as codified in the Kean-Hamilton commission report of July 2004, notoriously a tissue of lies. A demagogic variation on this is the "official version and it serves you right" or "blowback" position, which accepts all the crucial elements of the official version -- Bin Laden, Atta and the rest of the 19 hijackers, al Qaeda, the US intelligence failure, and so forth. But here the official version is endorsed with its moral signs inverted: the catastrophe of 9/11 is seen as just retribution by the victims of imperialism for the chronic crimes of the system. This is the thesis which, in understated form, underlies the approach of Noam Chomsky and Gore Vidal, as the first edition made clear. "Blowback" is dear to the hearts of a whole series of left gatekeepers, to the extent that they are willing to say anything at all about 9/11. This view has been embraced in the most grotesque form by the veteran agent provocateur Ward Churchill of the University of Colorado.

Churchill learned demolitions during his career in the Long Range Reconnaissance Patrols in Vietnam, and upon his return from the war became associated with the terrorist Weatherman faction, the group of police agents who systematically destroyed Students for a Democratic Society, the largest leftist membership organization in the US in the twentieth century. "Churchill briefly taught the Weathermen and Weatherwomen how to make bombs and how to fire weapons," we read in the Denver Post of January 18, 1987 ( http://www.khow.com/img/churchill-scan.html ) Some of these Weathermen perished when they blew up a townhouse in Manhattan; they had not been well taught.

During the first few months of 2005, the Fox News O 'Reilly Factor attempted to promote Churchill to the status of chief spokesman for the 9/11 truth movement by paying obsessive attention to his demagogic claims that the office workers who perished on 9/11 were war criminals in the service of imperialism. With this, the 9/1l truth movement was demonized in the eyes of millions. More important for our purposes here, Churchill also ranted that anyone who rejected the attribution of the crimes of 9/11 to Atta, Bin Laden, and al Qaeda was a racist who was really arguing that Arabs were genetically inferior and thus incapable of carrying out this complex and spectacular attack. Churchill is thus the leading contender for the Arlen Spector Award for the most imaginative defense of the official version so far recorded. Academics, in particular, seemed unable to see him for what he was. His posturing, which was given lavish attention by the corporate media, did more than anything else to discredit and disorient the 9/11 truth movement, precisely at a time when an advertising campaign by the political philanthropist Jimmy Walter was actually beginning to educate the public about how it had been hoodwinked.

Other commentators tentatively accept the 9/11 commission report, but hasten to add that they have unanswered questions. "Official version with unanswered questions" is the most nondescript of views, and it has not stood the test of time. Unanswered questions were a mark of courage in October 2001, and were still a healthy symptom in 2002. By 2004 this position had been rendered obsolete and untenable by the progress of research, and by 2005 it had come to embody a basic refusal to understand, whether out of fear or prejudice. But the "unanswered questions" gambit remained popular, perhaps because it was quite compatible with the continued receipt of foundation funding. On Judgment Day, when Gabriel blows his horn and the dead rise from their sepulchers, this contingent will still be parading their unanswered questions as an alibi for their political impotence and paralysis.

"Let it happen on purpose" (LIHOP) is a better analysis, although ultimately an inadequate one. LIHOP assumes that Bin Laden, al Qaeda, Atta, and company actually have at least a semi-independent existence and possess the will and the physical- technical capability to strike the United States in the ways seen on 9/11. But LIHOP also posits that the al Qaeda attack could not have been successful without the active cooperation of elements of the Pentagon and Bush administration who deliberately sabotaged US air defenses so as to allow the suicide pilots to reach their targets at the World Trade Center and Pentagon. The LIHOP view of things has been vociferously and voluminously defended by Mike Ruppert, whose book features the constant refrain borrowed from Delmart "Mike" Vreeland, "Let one happen. Stop the rest!" Nafeez Ahmed's first book also verged on LIHOP.

LIHOP is increasingly at war with masses of evidence. A more outre version of LIHOP admits that Atta and his cohorts were working for the CIA, but only as gun-runners and drug- runners, not terrorists. At a certain point, this view alleges, the drug- runners decided to revolt against their arrogant CIA masters by blowing up the World Trade Center and the Pentagon! But even this recondite scheme cannot address the absence of air defense for one hour and forty-five minutes, nor the controlled demolition which overtook the two trade towers.

In 2002 and 2003, LIHOP represented progress beyond the unanswered questions way station. But here too, as more new material has come to light, LIHOP has also become untenable, as I will try to show below. A Zogby poll commissioned by Jimmy Walter in August 2004 showed that almost 50% of New Yorkers believed that US officials knew in advance that 9/11 was going to happen -- a reasonable approximation of LIHOP. The statement by MI-5 whistleblower David Shayler to a London gathering in early June 2005 -- "I was LIHOP; I am MIHOP," -- is therefore coherent with the increasingly successful quest for truth. Today the LIHOP position is increasingly unstable. Some devotees of LIHOP have a curious habit of reverting to a very tepid unanswered questions posture as soon as a microphone or television camera approaches.

David Ray Griffin's New Pearl Harbor exemplified what might be called Bush-Cheney MIHOP, although this must be qualified by Griffin's repeated caveat that he was not advancing an overall explanation for what happened on 9/11. The emphasis on Bush-Cheney as the possible masterminds of 9/11 is problematic, since the rogue network has demonstrably been around since the blowing up of the USS Maine more than a century ago -- long before Bush and Cheney. In addition, we must ask if serious plotters would ever dream of assigning an important role to a moron, or to a man who has had multiple heart attacks, who has had a pacemaker installed and who is living on borrowed time. These objections apply to all allegations that assign Cheney an absolutely central role, including those of Mike Ruppert. The invisible government, in fact, will not necessarily be defeated if its puppets of the moment -- Bush, Cheney, and company -- are ousted. Griffin then turned to a detailed refutation of the Kean- Hamilton report, a task that could easily have been left to the unanswered questions people or even relegated as fiction to literary critics, as Griffin himself has suggested. We are left with Griffin's basically agnostic view, which means that we are effectively disarmed in the face of new threats of state-sponsored terrorism as they continued to emerge, especially during the second half of 2005.

Differences among these categories are worth stressing, even though they may be blurred. For example, a successful terrorist provocation generally has a LIHOP function built into it, since it typically is the job of the moles in the FBI and Justice Department to make sure that normal law enforcement does not interfere with the patsies and throw them into jail, thus stripping the operation of its indispensable scapegoats. But this is only one part of the terror deployment, and the presence of trained professionals who actually produce the results observed, which the patsies could never produce, suffices to validate a MIHOP analysis for the entire operation.

Some other commentators have, either consciously or unconsciously, advanced an outlook which might be called Mossad MIHOP. As I show in this book, it is a well-established fact that the Mossad meticulously observed every phase of the preparation and execution of 9/11. The Mossad is also known to be a very nefarious organization. But what is missing is convincing proof of a direct operative role for the Mossad in 9/11. So far not even limited subcontracting of specific 9/11 tasks by CIA to Mossad, a standard practice, has been established. Mossad MIHOP would appear to appeal to a chauvinistic mentality which implicitly believes that Americans would never do such a thing to their fellow Americans, so a foreign group, the Mossad, has to be blamed. This is dangerous nonsense, and those who profess it need to be reminded of the Operation Northwoods documents, which contemplate precisely the sort of killing of Americans by Americans they think is impossible. As far as I know, MI-6 MIHOP, another possible variant, has not been argued; here the evidence is greater, but still not enough. Therefore, my second edition still asserts on the cover that the 9/11 terror was: "Made In USA."

THE FIFTEEN DRILLS OF 9/11

Ruppert's Crossing the Rubicon is aware of five exercises related to 9/11 -- Vigilant Warrior, Vigilant Guardian, Northern Vigilance, Tripod II, and the National Reconnaissance Office drill. The first printing of my book discusses these, plus Northern Guardian, Amalgam Virgo, and a local DC-area drill, for a total of eight. As of this writing, it has been established that there were as many as 15 drills either ongoing on 9/11 or directly related to the events of that day. This figure may be slightly higher or lower according to the counting criteria used.
911 WAR GAMES AND TERROR DRILLS
     
Amalgam Virgo   Air defense against rogue state/terror cruise missiles, hijackings
Vigilant Guardian    Air defense against hijacking
Northern Guardian   Air defense
Vigilant Warrior   NORAD exercise
Northern Vigilance   NORAD deploys fighters to Alaska, northern Canada
Amalgam Warrior   Large live-fly air defense and air intercept, tracking surveillance
Global Guardian   Nuclear warfighting, "Armageddon"
Crown Vigilance   Air combat command exercise
Apollo Guardian   Large scale live-fly air defense and air intercept, tracking surveillance
National Reconnaissance Office (NRO)    Crashing planes into buildings
AWACS   AWACS over Florida, Washington DC
Fort Meyer, Virginia   Firemen (Pentagon), "aircraft crash refresher course" for firefighters
TRIPOD II, Manhattan   Response to biochemical attack
Timely Alert II   Emergency response to bomb attack

Ruppert focuses exclusively on the drills which crippled air defense, the ones we may call LIHOP drills. It is of course vital to know about these war games which moved fighter planes to northern Canada and Alaska, which introduced fake radar blips on the screens of military personnel, and which deployed civilian and military aircraft in the guise of hijacked airliners. This was one way the vaunted US air defense in the northeast corridor was paralyzed for about one hour and forty-five minutes. But even this argument has limits. Loyal military officers would have positioned their interceptor assets in the skies over Washington DC to prevent their recurrent nightmare, the decapitation of the national command authority by a lightning stroke. The fact that this was not done for so many minutes is irrefutable evidence that the commanders were not loyal. It does no good to argue that red-blooded US fighter pilots would never have obeyed a stand-down order when this is manifestly exactly what they did, for the critical hour and three quarters.

But there are additional 9/11 maneuvers which claim our attention. These are the MIHOP drills, which provided cover and operational capabilities for terror operations run through the official bureaucracy. The most obvious is the exercise that morning at the headquarters of the National Reconnaissance Office in Chantilly, Virginia involving the simulation of an airliner crashing into the NRO's headquarters tower. It involved, in other words, a plane crashing into a building. Given all we have learned about the intimate relationship between military drills and terrorist acts, it is clear that there is a strong prima facie case here that the NRO drill in question was in fact a control center or vehicle for crashing aircraft or other flying objects into the towers of the World Trade Center. This is no weird happenstance, but a crucial window on the entire operation.

Then there is the case of Amalgam Virgo, which did come up during the 9/11 commission hearings. Thanks to cooperativeresearch.org, we know that Amalgam Virgo 01 was run on June 1-2, 2001. It was "a multi-agency planning exercise sponsored by NORAD involving the hypothetical scenario of a cruise missile being launched by "a rogue [government] or somebody" from a barge off the East Coast. Bin Laden is pictured on the cover of the proposal for the exercise. [American Forces Press Service, 6/4/02] The exercise takes place at Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida. [Global Security, 4/14/02]" Although the barge could have been located somewhere else, this looks very much like what happened at the Pentagon, since it is clear that no commercial airliner ever hit that building on 9/11. The 2002 edition of this exercise was set to include "two simultaneous commercial aircraft hijackings," with FBI agents impersonating the hijackers -- another component which may have occurred in the real world on 9/1l.

These are leading examples of what may be termed MIHOP drills, since they point towards the basic fact that the 9/11 terror operations were not just facilitated or allowed, but manufactured and produced, by activities taking place inside the US military- security bureaucracy, under the cover of theoretically legal and sanctioned drills.

As I showed in the original edition, the open secret about drills is that they often hide the real thing, as illustrated by the examples of Hilex 75 (a cover for possible nuclear confrontation with the Warsaw Pact) and Nine Lives 81 (a cover for the Hinckley hit on President Reagan). Another excellent example is Able Archer 83, a US nuclear weapons exercise which looked so realistic that Soviet leaders became concerned that it was a cover for a real sneak attack on their country with nuclear missiles. They put their own Strategic Rocket Troops and related units on highest alert, and the world found itself on the brink of an all-out nuclear exchange. (See William M. Arkin, Code Names (Hanover, NH: Steerforth Press, 2005, p. 245, and Benjamin B. Fischer, A Cold War Conundrum, History Staff, Center for the Study of Intelligence, Central Intelligence Agency, 1997, online at http://www.cia.gov/csi/monograph/coldwar/source.htm ).

The principle directly at stake here is that state terrorists wishing to conduct an illegal terror operation often find it highly advantageous to conduit or bootleg that illegal operation through the government military/security bureaucracy with the help of an exercise or drill that closely resembles or mimics the illegal operation. Once the entire apparatus is set up, it is only necessary to make apparently small changes to have the exercise go live, and turn into a real hecatomb. If there is a gas dispersion drill announced in Manhattan, as there was in August 2005, it is merely necessary to replace the inert gas with a highly toxic one to go from drill to mass slaughter. A drill simulating a terror attack provides the greatest possible camouflage of the criminal intent of the perpetrators and allows the terror attack to occur through minor departures from the scenario script. All these drills try to be as realistic as possible. But the greatest realism is an actual terror attack. The fact that attempts at disruption, infiltration, harassment, and sabotage may be built in simply increases the opportunities available to the plotters, as do the varying levels of awareness of the participants, only a very few of whom need to know that a real terror attack is intended, or what the fate of certain patsies might be. To prevent new terror attacks from providing the pretexts for new wars, it is imperative that this mechanism be understood, but it cannot be understood in the unanswered questions, LIHOP, and agnostic frames of reference. That is why the apparent moderation of these theoretical points of view is so crippling and so dangerous.
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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2015, 12:26:30 PM »
I can not vote for either option.

So far as I know, it encompasses Americans, but to get more specific, The American Monarchy and its Aristocracy.

It is also pointless to blame countries, when the conspirators do not believe in sovereign nations, they are by there belief system enemies of all Govts, nor do they believe in any open public recognized religion, there religion is covert occult Mystery Babylon.

For those of us who insist on countries, then get it right. America is not a collection of 50+ States, its a global empire, its the New Roman Empire. It has vassal states, such as British, Israeli, and so on, to its newest vassal Ukraine.

See blaming the American Govt, stretches from Washington to Kiev to Islamabad to Kabul to Stockholm to Basel to Delhi . . .

* cat  foams at the mouth

Ok, maybe I ranted and vented my spleen a fraction, but you get the idea I hope.

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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2015, 12:41:18 PM »
I'm not the one claiming (in effect) that the "country" of Saudi Arabia used two planes to bring down three steel-structured buildings on 9/11.

Others are.

I'm merely pointing that the mere asking of certain question sheds serious doubt on the validity of that claim.

Who do you think stands to gain the most from the masses rejecting MIHOP in favor of LIHOP?

Could the answer be: the criminal elements of the banker-owned U.S. government that not only "quarterbacked" but literally "engineered" (via pre-planted explosives) 9/11 from behind the scenes, and who continue to profit from the masses believing that scary-looking brown people from overseas did all that instead?

Hopefully that clarifies where I'm coming from on all this.
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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2015, 03:54:21 PM »
I'm not the one claiming (in effect) that the "country" of Saudi Arabia used two planes to bring down three steel-structured buildings on 9/11.

Others are.

Yea, and it is a very important point.

So who do we present as the villains ?

Is it not time for ALL of us members to debate this, and find common ground to pursue a common goal - and dumping it ALL on Saudi Arabia is a bad option.

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9/11 Truth: The Story of 9/11’s Fallen Third Tower. Theatre Production Playing in London

Do you believe the official story of the September 11 Twin Towers attack? Do you know a third tower went down that day?

By Global Research News
Global Research, January 23, 2015
Brent & Kilburn Times



Two actors connected to the 2001 terror attacks in New York in which 3000 people died are starring in a ground breaking play showing at the Elmwood Tennis Club in Holland Road, Kensal Rise.

The play is set at a press conference with living journalists present. Shayler plays Times journalist James Bone while Campbell plays the Guardian’s George Monbiot. Robert Fisk and Nicholas Lezard of the Independent, Damian Thompson from the Telegraph and columnist David Aaronowitch are also portrayed using verbatim words which they’ve said or written.

The 47 storey World Trade Centre 7 (building 7) collapsed in freefall within seven seconds, hours after two planes flew into the Twin Towers, yet very few people know about it.

Shayler, who hit the headlines in the ‘90s after being prosecuted under the Official Secrets Act 1989 over allegations that MI6 agents plotted to kill Libyan leader Colonel Gaddafi, says: “Building 7 remains the only steel frame structure in the world brought down by fire without being hit by a plane.”

Campbell got involved in 
the play following the inquest into his brother’s death which took place in January 2013, 12 years after he was murdered. A risk management consultant for Reuters, his brother was due to attend a conference on the 106th floor of the North Tower when it was struck by a plane.

Campbell wishes to get the inquest reopened as he argues it wasn’t based on proper evidence. Since his brother’s death, he has been trying to establish the perpetrators of the attacks through freedom of information requests to the FBI to see boarding passes belonging to the hijackers and CCTV evidence of them getting on the plane.
    “No authenticated evidence exists. Every single statement on my brother’s inquest can be challenged. Either there’s no evidence for them to make the statement on his form or it’s just contentious, for example flight 11 bringing down the north tower. That’s not been proved. It’s so insane and frustrating for me because there has been no justice for my brother. If they truly had nothing to hide, they would give stuff up.”
The 9/11 commission report, upon which the inquest was based, mentions building 7 but not that it collapsed, “not even in parenthesis” adds Shayler.

Campbell is also taking action against the BBC by not paying his TV licence, which he explains “all comes down to the terrorist material under section 38 b and also because of the BBC having former knowledge of a terrorist event which is building 7 and for them not to report or even investigate for themselves where that came from.”

Footage exists of BBC reporter Jane Stanley telling viewers that building 7 had collapsed twenty minutes before it did so, fuelling the belief that the events of 9/11 were known to the authorities before they took place.

The BBC claimed the information came from Reuters but Mr Shayler believes it’s a “smoking gun”.

Seven Seconds has already been played in Camden, Hackney and Bristol, each time using different actors.

Campbell says:

[Continued...]
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Saudi Arabia’s Alleged Involvement in the 9/11 Attacks. “Red-Herring”, Propaganda Ploy

By Prof Michel Chossudovsky
Global Research
April 13, 2015



BBC live report of the collapse of WTC building 7, more than minutes before the collapse took place. Building Seven in the background is still intact.

The 9/11 narrative in the mainstream media has taken on a new slant. The FBI is now accused of whitewashing Saudi involvement in the 9/11 attacks.

The alleged Saudi involvement in supporting Osama bin Laden, not to mention the classified 28 pages of the 9/11 joint Congressional inquiry pertaining to the insidious role of Saudi Arabia in supporting the hijackers is  part of a propaganda ploy.


When the report of Joint Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 was released in December 2002, it was met with considerable skepticism. That skepticism grew for a period of time but then was reduced to speculation about what was contained in the 28 pages that had been redacted by the Bush White House.

Various U.S. government leaders have since suggested that the missing 28 pages point to Saudi Arabia’s complicity in the 9/11 crimes. However such musings fail to discuss other important issues, like the links between the Saudi regime and the Western deep state, or the fact that, from the start, even the Saudis were calling for the 28 pages to be released. Discussion of the missing 28 pages also omits mention of the highly suspicious nature of the Inquiry’s investigation and its leaders. (Kevin Ryan, The 9/11 Joint Congressional Inquiry and the 28 Missing Pages, Global Research, March 14, 2014

The report of the FBI 9/11 Review Commission (25 March 2015) has revealed circumstances which allegedly were withheld by the FBI from both the 9/11 Commission headed by former Jersey Governor Thomas Kean as well from the joint Senate House inquiry committee chaired by former Senator Bob Graham. Graham.



And now agencies of the US government including the FBI are being accused of protecting the Saudis.  This alleged Saudi involvement in the 9/11 attacks has served to precipitate segments of the 9/11 Truth movement into an erroneous and contradictory discourse. On the part of the US government and its intelligence apparatus, the objective is to ultimately to build a narrative which will weaken the 9/11 Truth movement.

The purpose of this new propaganda ploy is ultimately to sustain the legend that Osama bin Laden was behind the attacks and that Saudi Arabia relentlessly supported Al Qaeda, namely that Saudi Arabia acted as a “state sponsor of terrorism”.

In this regard, the media reports intimate that if the Saudi connection is confirmed by the 28 classified pages, this “would make 9/11 not just an act of terrorism, but an act of war by a foreign government.”

There is, however, an obvious hiccup in this reasoning: if  the Saudis were indeed the State sponsors of 9/11, why on earth did the US and the Atlantic Alliance (under the doctrine of collective security) choose to wage a “Just War” of retribution against Afghanistan. Did they get their countries mixed up?

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Many 9/11 Truthers across America are now calling for the release of the 28 classified pages.  They are also accusing the FBI of coverup and complicity.

All eyes are on the classified 28 pages, which document Saudi support for the alleged hijackers. Meanwhile, the irrefutable evidence of controlled demolition of the Twin Towers –not to mention the mysterious collapse of WTC 7 which was announced by CNN and the BBC more than 20 minutes before it occurred–  no longer constitutes the centrefold of the 9/11 Truth movement:   ’The Saudis are behind 9/11 and our government is protecting them.”



Framed in a “Tele Novela” style scenario featuring wealthy Saudis in the plush suburban surroundings of Sarasota, Florida two weeks before 9/11, the New York Post describes the circumstances of Saudi involvement (quoting the FBI 9/11 Review Commission Report) in an article entitled How the FBI is whitewashing the Saudi connection to 9/11:

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“Just 15 days before the 9/11 attacks, a well-connected Saudi family suddenly abandoned their luxury home in Sarasota, Fla., leaving behind jewelry, clothes, opulent furniture, a driveway full of cars — including a brand new Chrysler PT Cruiser — and even a refrigerator full of food.

About the only thing not left behind was a forwarding address. The occupants simply vanished without notifying their neighbors, realtor or even mail carrier.

The 3,300-square-foot home on Escondito Circle (see image right) belonged to Esam Ghazzawi, a Saudi adviser to the nephew of then-King Fahd. But at the time, it was occupied by his daughter and son-in-law, who beat a hasty retreat back to Saudi Arabia just two weeks before the attacks after nearly a six-year stay here.

Neighbors took note of the troubling coincidence and called the FBI, which opened an investigation that led to the startling discovery that at least one “family member” trained at the same flight school as some of the 9/11 hijackers in nearby Venice, Fla.

… The Saudi-9/11 connection in Florida was no small part of the overall 9/11 investigation. Yet it was never shared with Congress. Nor was it mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report.

Now it’s being whitewashed again, in a newly released report by the 9/11 Review Commission, set up last year by Congress to assess “any evidence now known to the FBI that was not considered by the 9/11 Commission.” Though the FBI acknowledges the Saudi family was investigated, it maintains the probe was a dead end.

The panel’s report also doesn’t explain why visitor security logs for the gated Sarasota community and photos of license tags matched vehicles driven by the hijackers, including 9/11 ringleader Mohamed Atta.

The three-member review panel was appointed by FBI Director James Comey, who also officially released the findings.

Former Democratic Sen. Bob Graham, who in 2002 chaired the congressional Joint Inquiry into 9/11, maintains the FBI is covering up a Saudi support cell in Sarasota for the hijackers. He says the al-Hijjis “urgent” pre-9/11 exit suggests “someone may have tipped them off” about the coming attacks.

Graham has been working with a 14-member group in Congress to urge President Obama to declassify 28 pages of the final report of his inquiry which were originally redacted, wholesale, by President George W. Bush.

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Sources who have read the censored Saudi section say it cites CIA and FBI case files that directly implicate officials of the Saudi Embassy in Washington and its consulate in Los Angeles in the attacks — which if true, would make 9/11 not just an act of terrorism, but an act of war by a foreign government. The section allegedly identifies high-level Saudi officials and intelligence agents by name, and details their financial transactions and other dealings with the San Diego hijackers. It zeroes in on the Islamic Affairs Department of the Saudi Embassy, among other Saudi entities.

The {FBI} review commission, however, concludes there is “no evidence” that any Saudi official provided assistance to the hijackers, even though the panel failed to interview Graham or his two key investigators — former Justice Department attorney Dana Lesemann and FBI investigator Michael Jacobson — who ran down FBI leads tying Saudi officials to the San Diego hijackers and documented their findings in the 28 pages. (emphasis added)

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The key figure behind this new wave of propaganda is former Senator Bob Graham, who led the joint inquiry of the Senate and the House intelligence committees together with Rep. Porter Goss, a career CIA official who was subsequently appointed Director of National Intelligence (DNI) by the Bush administration. Graham coordinated the drafting and editing of the report including the 28 classified pages on Saudi Arabia.

While Graham is now heralded by the mainstream media as a 911 Truther, the evidence suggests that immediately in the wake of 9/11, he was involved (together with Porter Goss) in a coverup on behalf of Bush-Cheney. According to Kevin Ryan, “in the months following 9/11, both Goss and Graham rejected calls for an investigation”:

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Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Strong, credible allegations of high-level criminal activity can bring down a government. When the government lacks an effective, fact-based defense, other techniques must be employed. The success of these techniques depends heavily upon a cooperative, compliant press and a mere token opposition party.

1.  Dummy up. If it's not reported, if it's not news, it didn't happen.

2.  Wax indignant. This is also known as the "How dare you?" gambit.

3.  Characterize the charges as "rumors" or, better yet, "wild rumors." If, in spite of the news blackout, the public is still able to learn about the suspicious facts, it can only be through "rumors." (If they tend to believe the "rumors" it must be because they are simply "paranoid" or "hysterical.")

4.  Knock down straw men. Deal only with the weakest aspects of the weakest charges. Even better, create your own straw men. Make up wild rumors (or plant false stories) and give them lead play when you appear to debunk all the charges, real and fanciful alike.

5.  Call the skeptics names like "conspiracy theorist," "nutcase," "ranter," "kook," "crackpot," and, of course, "rumor monger." Be sure, too, to use heavily loaded verbs and adjectives when characterizing their charges and defending the "more reasonable" government and its defenders. You must then carefully avoid fair and open debate with any of the people you have thus maligned. For insurance, set up your own "skeptics" to shoot down.

6.  Impugn motives. Attempt to marginalize the critics by suggesting strongly that they are not really interested in the truth but are simply pursuing a partisan political agenda or are out to make money (compared to over-compensated adherents to the government line who, presumably, are not).

7.  Invoke authority. Here the controlled press and the sham opposition can be very useful.

8.  Dismiss the charges as "old news."

9.  Come half-clean. This is also known as "confession and avoidance" or "taking the limited hangout route." This way, you create the impression of candor and honesty while you admit only to relatively harmless, less-than-criminal "mistakes." This stratagem often requires the embrace of a fall-back position quite different from the one originally taken. With effective damage control, the fall-back position need only be peddled by stooge skeptics to carefully limited markets.

10.  Characterize the crimes as impossibly complex and the truth as ultimately unknowable.

11.  Reason backward, using the deductive method with a vengeance. With thoroughly rigorous deduction, troublesome evidence is irrelevant. E.g. We have a completely free press. If evidence exists that the Vince Foster "suicide" note was forged, they would have reported it. They haven't reported it so there is no such evidence. Another variation on this theme involves the likelihood of a conspiracy leaker and a press who would report the leak.

12.  Require the skeptics to solve the crime completely. E.g. If Foster was murdered, who did it and why?

13.  Change the subject. This technique includes creating and/or publicizing distractions.

14.  Lightly report incriminating facts, and then make nothing of them. This is sometimes referred to as "bump and run" reporting.

15.  Baldly and brazenly lie. A favorite way of doing this is to attribute the "facts" furnished the public to a plausible-sounding, but anonymous, source.

16.  Expanding further on numbers 4 and 5, have your own stooges "expose" scandals and champion popular causes. Their job is to pre-empt real opponents and to play 99-yard football. A variation is to pay rich people for the job who will pretend to spend their own money.

17.  Flood the Internet with agents. This is the answer to the question, "What could possibly motivate a person to spend hour upon hour on Internet news groups defending the government and/or the press and harassing genuine critics?" Don t the authorities have defenders enough in all the newspapers, magazines, radio, and television? One would think refusing to print critical letters and screening out serious callers or dumping them from radio talk shows would be control enough, but, obviously, it is not.
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As long as most Americans can be conned into rejecting MIHOP in favor of either the official story or -- in the unfortunate case of what remains of the 9/11 truth movement -- the fall-back position known as LIHOP, the banker-owned "U.S." war machine will continue to get away with stirring up one hornet's nest overseas after another.

Case in point...

-- http://www.infowars.com/u-s-moves-warship-to-confront-iran-near-yemen/

This could easily lead to a catastrophic world war, so it's not like this is just another issue.
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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2015, 04:19:06 AM »
LIHOP = “Letting It Happen On Purpose”

MIHOP = “Making It Happen On Purpose”

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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2015, 09:39:11 AM »
How come we bombed Iraq instead of Saudi Arabia? Why did Afghanistan matter? Why have we heard bleating for years about bombing Iran for the hell of it?



Did Saudi Arabia infiltrate a highly secure bioweapons facility in Ft Detrick, MD to release weapons-grade anthrax on the population?

Were there dual-citizen Saudis embedded within high-level US government positions around that time period?

Who stood to gain and was caught celebrating 9/11 by dancing on rooftops during the event?

It's all pretty obvious now.
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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2015, 01:57:44 PM »
I don't blame a single country, that is just my opinion. But, if I was forced to name only one country based on actual evidence, then it would be hard not to name Saudi Arabia.




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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2016, 01:50:55 AM »
Young Saudis only was only and only suicide pilots.

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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2016, 02:01:26 AM »
Young Saudis only was only and only suicide pilots.

Insofar as World Trade Center 7 is concerned, the question of who the "pilots" were is irrelevant because that building wasn't even hit by a plane.

That this even needs to be pointed out 15 years after the fact illustrates just how successfully the aforementioned "fall-back position" has been used to divert attention from who the real "quarterbacks" of the 9/11 attacks were.
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« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2016, 06:55:23 PM »
As far as the Al-Hijji family goes, neither side has any actual evidence too support their case. How familiar a story is this with conspiracy theories.
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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2017, 02:03:50 PM »
In light of what I heard Alex say a few minutes ago about 9/11 and Ron Paul's anti-war views, I thought I'd bump this thread.
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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2017, 03:10:13 PM »
Did Saudi Arabia create the plan of Operation Northwoods?
Did Saudi Arabia kill President JFK?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the Lusitania false flag?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the USS Liberty False flag?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the WACO, Ruby Ridge, Columbine False flags?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the 2003 NorthEast power blackout false flag?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the Fast & Furious false flag?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the Batman movie theater false flag shooting?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the Ft. Hood false flag shooting?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the Fukushima HAARP/PNE+Cyber false flag attack?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the BP oil spill false flag?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the NY car dud explosive false flag attempt?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the Mumbai false flag?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the Sandy Hook false flag?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the false flag in Boston?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the Underwear false flag that resulted in naked body scanners?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out all these cyber false flags, stealing credit card info, account info from numerous companies over the years?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out all the other false flag shootings massively hyped up in the media?

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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2017, 01:58:00 PM »
Did Saudi Arabia create the plan of Operation Northwoods?
Did Saudi Arabia kill President JFK?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the Lusitania false flag?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the USS Liberty False flag?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the WACO, Ruby Ridge, Columbine False flags?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the 2003 NorthEast power blackout false flag?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the Fast & Furious false flag?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the Batman movie theater false flag shooting?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the Ft. Hood false flag shooting?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the Fukushima HAARP/PNE+Cyber false flag attack?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the BP oil spill false flag?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the NY car dud explosive false flag attempt?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the Mumbai false flag?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the Sandy Hook false flag?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the false flag in Boston?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the Underwear false flag that resulted in naked body scanners?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out all these cyber false flags, stealing credit card info, account info from numerous companies over the years?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out all the other false flag shootings massively hyped up in the media?

Who had access to the PROMIS type software that was used to backdoor the autopilot on the planes?

Answer that and you find the start of the string you need to pick up and follow.
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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2017, 08:55:05 AM »
Did Saudi Arabia create the plan of Operation Northwoods?
Did Saudi Arabia kill President JFK?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the Lusitania false flag?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the USS Liberty False flag?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the WACO, Ruby Ridge, Columbine False flags?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the 2003 NorthEast power blackout false flag?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the Fast & Furious false flag?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the Batman movie theater false flag shooting?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the Ft. Hood false flag shooting?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the Fukushima HAARP/PNE+Cyber false flag attack?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the BP oil spill false flag?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the NY car dud explosive false flag attempt?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the Mumbai false flag?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the Sandy Hook false flag?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the false flag in Boston?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out the Underwear false flag that resulted in naked body scanners?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out all these cyber false flags, stealing credit card info, account info from numerous companies over the years?
Did Saudi Arabia carry out all the other false flag shootings massively hyped up in the media?

No.
Now can we stay on topic.
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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2017, 04:03:35 PM »
No.
Now can we stay on topic.

Can Trump release the 28 pages?

I doubt the 28 pages will reveal that Saudi money, carried by Pakistani intelligence, funded Saudi dupe terrorists, while the US government trained and housed Saudi double agents for a "training exercise", while construction crews went in to the trade towers at night, scraped the fire proofing insulation off and sprayed the beams with thermite, while Mossad agents over saw and documented that end of the operation.

The planes that crashed in to the building poured hundreds of gallons of jet fuel down elevator shafts, located in the core of the buildings, where it ignited the thermite that was on those beams. The op suffered a set back when the third plane that was supposed to hit Building 7 wound up in a crater in Shanksville, what a name for a town. Normal office fires would have to ignite the thermite that was waiting for the jet fuel in 7.

Its not going to tell you about the cruise missile military like precision "plane" that hit the pentagon at precisely the location that The Office of Naval Intelligence was auditing the missing 2.3 trillion from Pentagon and the money being funneled in to black budgets such as Dyncorp.

Nor will it tell you the military like precision that the plane that hit the north tower turned at an angle to make sure it hit all floors of Cantor Fitzgerald and Eurobrokers, who would of handled black budgets bonds that were coming due on Sept 12, 2001.

The Building 7 plane was meant to neutrilize the SEC and all records of it's investigations.

It was a military special operation from start to finish, with help from our government, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, an operation of both LIHOP and MIHOP.

I doubt the 28 pages will tell us that but when are we going to see them?

Black Eagle Trust Fund
The bonds sat for ten years, like a ticking time bomb. They had to be settled – or cashed in by September 12, 2001. The two firms in the U.S. most likely to be handling them would be Cantor Fitzgerald and Eurobrokers – the two largest government securities firms in the U.S. The federal agency mostly involved in investigating those transactions was the Office of Naval Intelligence. On 9/11, those same three organizations: the two largest government securities brokers and the Office of Naval Intelligence in the US took direct hits.


and they were able to cash those bonds without all the messy paperwork due to an emergency act invoked, even though all of America's financial systems were working.

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"On that fateful day [9/11], the Securities and Exchange Commission declared a national emergency, and for the first time in U.S. history, invoked its emergency powers under Securities Exchange Act Section 12(k) easing regulatory restrictions for clearing and settling security trades for the next 15 days. These changes would allow an estimated $240 billion in covert government securities to be cleared upon maturity without the standard regulatory controls around identification of ownership."
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« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2017, 07:47:59 PM »
They were released. Not that anybody seems to care.
It was a special chapter to put national security related stuff of the joint intelligence committee, basically all Saudi related material. There were a few new pieces of information in there.

It is a very powerful statement of fact that Abdullah bin Ladens special assistant had the phone number of Mohamed Attas family in Egypt. Thats the DC based Abdullah, who ran training camps for Chechens in Florida with the US military and hung out at the Saudi Embassy.

If nobody chooses to pay attention to that there is nothing else the rest of us can do. Go ahead and blame the Black Eagle Trust or any other personal fantasy you want. Life is not about truth or justice just selfish indulgence.
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« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2017, 08:22:25 PM »
If nobody chooses to pay attention to that there is nothing else the rest of us can do. Go ahead and blame the Black Eagle Trust or any other personal fantasy you want. Life is not about truth or justice just selfish indulgence.

Go ahead and blame Saudi Arabia only, while the CryptoZionistJews, NeoConCucks, and dirty Paki-Bagmen skate. And don't forget The Company's slush fund that youre protecting while blaming Saudi Arabia. You couldn't make up a target list the way I did and you choose to ignore it, not that anybody cares.

BTW this was the original topic at hand...I think I answered it.

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Even though World Trade Center 7 wasn't even hit by a plane, are we still supposed to believe that Saudi Arabia managed to make that steel structured building collapse into the past of most resistance at virtual free-fall speed, and that criminal elements within our government merely "stood down" and "let" them do it?
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« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2017, 09:01:03 PM »
MIHOP without a doubt.
Look at all the mileage the globalists have gotten over this:
Start with shredding the constitution:
Look up! There's a camera on you.
Be careful what you say on the phone... or write in email... they're all collected in the NSA database...
Walk through body scanner at the airport - (thanks to underwear bomber false flag ... appended to 911)
Listen to the news...

just today, Sean Spicer (press secretary) said, "The Earth is a dangerous place!!!"
FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR

The fear mongering is at an ALL TIME HIGH.
I haven't heard this much fear-mongering since just after 911.

So...
What's the next MIHOP going to be?
It's coming... you can tell by the fear-mongering.
The Earth is not a dangerous place. The globalists are dangerous to the earth.

The tryants have revealed themselves; and to usher their agenda in (at this stage; a completely surveilled population, with software that takes all of our faceboook, twitter, reddit, blogs, linked-in data and uses it to predict our behavior, and our family's behavior, and our friends' behavior) the implementations will become increasingly fascist, authoritarian - in your face. For example, if you think the Superbowl halftime show with a swarm of drones was beautiful - think again. That swarm of drones can be a lovely flag, a spray of 'fireworks', or it could surround your house and take you out. No problem.


Lady Gaga's Super Bowl LI Halftime Show Drones

But it's all "to keep the American people safe." Right?





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« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2017, 05:51:53 AM »
There are now 2 9/11 truth movements. One of them however is almost entirely confined to the press releases of ae911 and to the muddled dubious content of various random conspiracy web sites.

The other has the broad spectrum of reality to explore.
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« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2017, 07:21:35 AM »
There are now 2 9/11 truth movements. One of them however is almost entirely confined to the press releases of ae911 and to the muddled dubious content of various random conspiracy web sites.

The other has the broad spectrum of reality to explore.

Got any additional information to share with us on the subject?

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« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2017, 09:25:41 AM »
There are now 2 9/11 truth movements. One of them however is almost entirely confined to the press releases of ae911 and to the muddled dubious content of various random conspiracy web sites.

If that's directed at me, you couldn't be more mistaken.

I follow truth wherever it leads.

If someone says something that contradicts the evidence (e.g. Saudi Arabia "quarterbacked" 9/11), I start asking questions.

The question to which this particular thread is devoted cannot be answered by saying (in effect): "I"m a better 9/11 truther than you are."

This isn't a schoolyard.
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If that's directed at me, you couldn't be more mistaken.
It is a general observation

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Got any additional information to share with us on the subject?
Al qaeda has a complex history. It depends on whether you reject the hijackers or not. Rejection of the existence of terrorists lead into narrow corners such as wtc demolition and various speculative online theories disconnected from the actual evidence.

In my opinion a criminal investigation should follow the actual evidence. So there are now two distinct groups of us. The majority, who police online 911 truth forums and are completely obsessed with certain topics and the minority who are interested in the factual evidence. The world trade centre destruction was an interesting topic... in 2004.
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« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2017, 09:38:59 AM »
Got any additional information to share with us on the subject?

Limited hangout on Saudi Arabia and the Mooslims.
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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2017, 09:44:38 AM »
The world trade centre destruction was an interesting topic... in 2004.

But now it's not so "interesting" since it contradicts the scary-looking-brown-people-from-overseas did-it narrative?

Out of curiosity, how did you answer the poll question which starts this thread?
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« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2017, 10:29:51 AM »
Al qaeda has a complex history. It depends on whether you reject the hijackers or not. Rejection of the existence of terrorists lead into narrow corners such as wtc demolition and various speculative online theories disconnected from the actual evidence.

So who brought down building 7? No hijackers flew planes into that building.

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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2017, 11:21:17 AM »
Nobody knows what happenned to 7
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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2017, 11:35:42 AM »
Nobody knows what happenned to 7

Wasn't the "official story" about a fire started in a trash can? :)
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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2017, 12:36:16 PM »
Wasn't the "official story" about a fire started in a trash can? :)

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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2017, 12:56:01 PM »
Nobody knows what happenned to 7

Then nobody in the 9/11 half-truth movement is in a position to expect any reasonable person to either (a) accept the scary-looking-brown-people-"quarterbacked"-9/11 meme as divine gospel, or (b) dismiss WTC 7 as an insignificant detail, because the unanswered question of who engineered the controlled demolition of that building calls into question the entire LIHOP theory.

Since the overwhelming weight of circumstantial evidence points towards criminal elements within the U.S. being the engineers (and hence towards MIHOP), the burden of proof is on those who would have us all believe that scary looking brown people did it instead, not on those who reject this obvious War on Terror-justifying fallback position.
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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2017, 05:38:14 PM »
No progress on this story for decades now though. Every 911 forum online is still focused on it. I suspect this is a refuge from confronting the other information.

If people propose a theory and there is no substantiating evidence for years then the balance of probabilities suggests against that particular theory. As a result the fire based hypothesis looks more likely. The crime may have been arson rather than demolition.
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Re: Did Saudi Arabia bring down Building 7?
« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2017, 07:27:35 PM »
If people propose a theory and there is no substantiating evidence for years then the balance of probabilities suggests against that particular theory. As a result the fire based hypothesis looks more likely. The crime may have been arson rather than demolition.

If you're saying it's more likely than not that fire (as opposed to preplanted explosives) brought down WTC 7, then as far as I'm concerned you've just lost all credibility on the issue, and are therefore worth neither the time nor energy it takes to argue with.

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