I am not an anti-semite, I just blame jews for everything (Title Modified)

[Aerioch]

After 40 Years of the United States Taxpayer Paying for Peace ... Israel is still playing the same "Land Grabbing Game."

Last update - 08:01 14/05/2009             
New West Bank roads jeopardizing chances for peace accord
By Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondent

Palestinian interest in the intentions of the new Israeli government tends to focus on one small area in the West Bank, Ma'aleh Adumim and its environs, particularly the area known as E1 linking the settlement to East Jerusalem.

Earlier this month Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayad participated in mass Friday prayers against land expropriation in the area, and the Palestinian media was full of reports of Israeli settlement plans in Ma'aleh Adumim and E1.

The concerns are not baseless. E1 is the only area that Benjamin Netanyahu explicitly committed to developing, on the eve of February's elections. His political rival, Labor Party chairman Ehud Barak, also publicly expressed support for building there.
   
Plans for expanding the Israeli presence around Ma'aleh Adumim continued apace under the Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert governments, in the interest of creating contiguous Jewish settlement from East Jerusalem to Mitzpeh Yeriho, on the outskirts of Jericho. Visitors to the area in recent weeks can see that the gradual annexation is continuing, even if its goal is far from being reached.

Still, a significant hurdle lies around the corner: the firm, declared opposition of the United States government, opposition that is likely to be expressed during Netanyahu's meeting with President Barack Obama in Washington next week.

One of the main developments in the area is at Kedar, a small settlement of 80 families, south of Ma'aleh Adumim, that is at the center of a prolonged legal battle. The security establishment, under Sharon's inspiration, designed the route of the separation fence so that 8,000 dunams (2,000 acres), including Kedar, would be on the Israeli side of the barrier. The route would have expropriated lands from the Palestinian village of Sawahra and forced the evacuation of hundreds of Bedouin living between Kedar and Ma'aleh Adumim.

After residents of Sawahra petitioned the High Court of Justice on the matter, The Council for Peace and Security drafted a new plan that placed Kedar on the Palestinian side of the fence. After a two-year delay, the defense establishment presented yet a third plan, this one expropriating 4,000 dunams but including Kedar on the Israeli side of the barrier.

In early June the High Court held a hearing on the petition against the new plan. Meanwhile, an Interior Ministry-appointed committee recommended uniting Kedar and Ma'aleh Adumim into a single community, a step that would facilitate authorization of the new route.

GOC Southern Command Gadi Shamni has issued orders to pave an additional road passing south of the fence's route in Kedar, linking the Bethlehem area with Mitzpeh Yeriho. The cost of the project is estimated at hundreds of millions of shekels.

In E1, as Haaretz reported in February, infrastructure plans were completed last year for the construction of a new neighborhood, to be called Mevasseret Adumim. Construction of settlements and outposts has also continued, particularly in the northeastern part of the Ma'aleh Adumim bloc, in the settlement of Kfar Adumim and the satellites that have sprung up around it.

All of these developments share a single common denominator - by taking "a dunam here and a dunam there," they are tightening Israel's grip on the land. The new roads and junctions were designed to allow a separation between Israelis and Palestinians. In tandem to roads built for Israeli use, Palestinians coming from Ramallah will travel via Hizmeh and the al-Zaim Junction south toward Bethlehem, or east toward Jericho via a bypass road near Kedar.

These steps seriously diminish the already narrow possibility of reaching a final-status agreement with the Palestinians. Over the past decade Palestinian officials have hinted that they could come to terms with Ma'aleh Adumim, but that willingness is unlikely to extend to the giant "bubble" developing around the settlement.

Colonel (Res.) Shaul Arieli of the Council for Peace and Security, one of the framers of the Geneva Initiative, says that Israel's actions can be explained in one of two ways - as the deliberate sabotage of a future final-status agreement, or as the wanton waste of taxpayer money.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1085461.html

[Ready4truth]

Good job, guys!

At least some aren't afraid to tell it like it is. This is A LOT deeper than what some are feeding you. Do you want milk or do you want meat?

If this post gets deleted or if somehow I "mysteriously" disappear...Gee, who woulda thunk it. 

Eustace Mullins ~ The World Order

I'd like to see Michael Regan Jr. debate Eustace Mullins...what a laugh that would be. 

I wonder why Alex never had Ted Pike on his show...Hmm?

I have been asking that same question about why he hasn't had Pike on. I find it to be very suspicious. Any radio host who hasn't had Pike on or talked about this bill at length is in my view, NOT A CHAMPION FOR FREE SPEECH. If Alex is a Christian then he should be railing against this. Problem is is that Ted Pike will point out who is behind the legislation and anyone with a brain knows good and well that is the ADL and people of the zionist persuasion who are driving this, but primarily the ADL. This will only confirm what we many of us already know and that is that Zionist power in the US actually rules the US more so than any other group.

I think Alex knows good and well about how powerful the Zionists are. The George Humphrey's video floating around on youtube is very telling. Alex admits as much but says that it 'does no good'...I was like WTF? I also remember Alex saying years ago that "Israel could not have carried out these attacks" (on 9-11) but with so many people finding a link (watch Missing Links) he can no longer say that.

I really hope he has Pike on because I just wonder if Alex wants the Hate Crimes Bill to pass so that the so called 'anti-semitism' will die down and he won't be pressured to talk about it.

Alex, stay true to the truth and do not cower or be bullied!

[Ready4truth]

Oh and btw, I would like to point out the fact that the forum NAZIs here are cowards who hate the truth.

Can't let there lemmings here the truth now can we?

They once again have turned truth into a canard "anti-semitism".

I really do believe you forum nazi's support hate crimes bills, come on admit it!   

[Raincheck]

They once again have turned truth into a canard "anti-semitism".

I really do believe you forum nazi's support hate crimes bills, come on admit it!   

I don't know about the hate crime bill comment but agree, throwing this into the "anti-semite" bin is just as bad as the Bermas rant.

[xTruthSeekerx]

so defending well meaning regular jews is being a nazi?
this dudes a f**king moron

[Ready4truth]

I don't know about the hate crime bill comment but agree, throwing this into the "anti-semite" bin is just as bad as the Bermas rant.

Thank you for your honesty. It truly is sad. What the forum NAZIs are doing is minimizing, cheapening, and trivializing a serious topic. You can't go around telling people to kill themselves because they hit you with truth.

Trust me, these forum NAZIs do not care about the truth. Rather, they care about the personality. If someone is wrong then let them eat crow. And in this case, Berman was wrong and a hater himself. He even admits he hates those who expose the zionists.

If they stood for truth they would not have changed this title. But they, who accuse everyone of being NAZIs, are acting like NAZIs by propagandizing and controlling the truth. They won't allow a hit piece on one of their own since it is outside of the parameters of their gatekeeping.

They will slander ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO DISAGREE with them, those who don't march in their NAZI lock step. Rather than debate they will COWARDLY change the forum title and reduce those who expose the evils of Zionism and evil Jewish leadership to "WNs" or "Stormfront NAZIs".

I would almost GAURANTEE that these NAZIs support the Hate Crimes Bill. I would bet my life savings.

And you have to ask why. Who supports this type of legislation and who's side are they on? That's the question.

Bermas, you are a shill btw.

[Voskhod3]

so defending well meaning regular jews is being a nazi?
this dudes a f**king moron

Nobody is accusing well meaning regular Jews you dork!

But you know that.

I'm in a bad mood today caused by the Jewish Finaciers that run the Fed and World Banks (Yes they are Jewish and no I'm not accusing all Jews).

[Ready4truth]

so defending well meaning regular jews is being a nazi?
this dudes a f**king moron

I defend many well meaning Jews...for starters, Benjamin Freedman, Jack Bernstein, Myron Fagan, Joel Skousen, Norman Finkelstein, Steve Wohlberg, Peter Schiff, and countless others...you are brain dead aren't you?

Go drink your flouride "twoof seeker" (my arse)

[Voskhod3]

Is xTrutherSeekerx a Christian Zionist?

I got the impression he was.

Christian Zionists are worse than Zionist - and that's saying something.

I mean they actually want an Armageddon, working towards it in fact.

Evil.

 

[Ready4truth]

Nobody is accusing well meaning regular Jews you dork!

But you know that.

I'm in a bad mood today caused by the Jewish Finaciers that run the Fed and World Banks (Yes they are Jewish and no I'm not accusing all Jews).

Nor am I Voskhod3, but they sure want to try and make that stick.

Herzl was right: "anti-semitism shall be our best friends"

They're playing right into their hands. Dupes.

[Ready4truth]

Is xTrutherSeekerx a Christian Zionist?

I got the impression he was.

Christian Zionists are worse than Zionist - and that's saying something.

I mean they actually want an Armageddon, working towards it in fact.

Evil.

 

He HAS to be. I am a Christian myself, but not a CZ. These are about the biggest dupes I have ever seen. Worse than the Zionists is correct. They ENCOURAGE their bad behaviour. Oh, and they support torture for the most part.

D U M B

[Voskhod3]

Herzl was right: "anti-semitism shall be our best friends"

Oh he said more things than that, he said he would promote it. He wished for it.

They don't want to talk about it though.

[Voskhod3]

It is essential that the sufferings of Jews.. . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-Semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-Semites shall be our best friends”.

There we have it.

50 years later the State of Israel is born.

[xTruthSeekerx]

your accusing me of shit i didnt say like typical trolls

[Voskhod3]

your accusing me of shit i didnt say like typical trolls

Do you long for Armageddon?

Do you think the creation of the State of Israel was an essential step on the path to Armageddon?

Do you think Israel should exist because without it we don't have Armageddon?

[xTruthSeekerx]

israel has the right to exist
2 i do not support genocide

3


I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.  Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer . . . be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. . . . Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Revelation 2:9-10, 3:9.
 
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?  Matthew 23:27-33.

 
Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.   John 8:39-47.

[Voskhod3]

israel has the right to exist
2 i do not support genocide

Yeah.. but that's not what I asked.. let's get back to Armageddon.

Do you long for Armageddon?

Do you think the creation of the State of Israel was an essential step on the path to Armageddon?

Do you think Israel should exist because without it we don't have Armageddon?

[xTruthSeekerx]

Israel will get dealt with during the tribulation but by no means is it an acceleration of said event

[Voskhod3]

Israel will get dealt with during the tribulation but by no means is it an acceleration of said event

What does that mean? Who said anything about accelerating the event? From what speed to speed anyway?

I'll ask again.

Do you long for Armageddon?

Do you think the creation of the State of Israel was an essential step on the path to Armageddon?

Do you think Israel should exist because without it we don't have Armageddon?

[xTruthSeekerx]

i am not even going to comment anymore
your the idiot who baits and attacks like a typical troll

[Voskhod3]

i am not even going to comment anymore
your the idiot who baits and attacks like a typical troll

I will take your refusal to answer these straightforward questions as a yes.

You do long for Armageddon and you do see the creation of the State of Israel as essential to this process.

Armageddon - the event where most of the Human race dies in a horrible way.

The m**therf**ckers wishing for this should be locked in lunatic asylums.

[xTruthSeekerx]

uhmm i never said that or long for it f**k tard

[Geolibertarian]

"OMFG! Why won't this thread die already??"

[Voskhod3]

uhmm i never said that or long for it f**k tard

You don't want Armageddon then?

[PhishyBongwaters]

That's funny, i was just reading an article about what Bermas said on the radio show, and how any talk of Israelis or Jews get you banned here.  Interesting, as I thought when I read that, it's total BS.

Now, that said.....

I am NOT an anti-semite, for disagreeing with the actions of the Israeli government.  I am NOT an anti-semite for thinking Zionism is bull.  I am not an anti-semite, because it has nothing to do with being Jewish.  If I am an anti-semite for being critical of Israel then I'm anti-german because of the Nazis.

I believe both the Israelis and the Palestinians deserve a safe and peaceful existence with a home of their own.  I can not condone murdering civilians, on EITHER side.  But most of all, I can't condone being called an anti-semite or a racist because I think the Israeli government is doing some pretty evil things.  Spying on their allies, killing their allies, stealing land, using banned weapons against civilians, using force against red cross and UN workers. 

If someone can point out how that makes me an anti-semite, feel free.

[BaronVonBongo]

What a stupid thread on a stupid board.
The very title is there to coax in nutters from each extreme and label those with legitimate questions and answers in the same pile.
It inself, as with many board names hear put the person in defensive or attack frame of mind in the first place. Its the type equivelent of a FOX 'news' banner.

Bet this is bookmarked with many in organisation such as the ADL or JDL and they rrub their hands with glee.

[Aerioch]

What a stupid thread on a stupid board.
The very title is there to coax in nutters from each extreme and label those with legitimate questions and answers in the same pile.
It inself, as with many board names hear put the person in defensive or attack frame of mind in the first place. Its the type equivelent of a FOX 'news' banner.

Bet this is bookmarked with many in organisation such as the ADL or JDL and they rrub their hands with glee.

I agree that the ADL, JDL, and Foxman's ilk would be clapping with glee at the posting of this article:

Lieberman's party proposes ban on Arab Nakba
By Reuters

Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman's party wants to ban Israeli Arabs from marking the anniversary of what they term "the Catastrophe" or Nakba, when in 1948 some 700,000 Arabs lost their homes in the war that led to the establishment of the state of Israel.

The ultranationalist Yisrael Beitenu party said it would propose legislation next week for a ban on the practice and a jail term of up to three years for violators.

"The draft law is intended to strengthen unity in the state of Israel and to ban marking Independence Day as a day of mourning," said party spokesman Tal Nahum.

The initiative could fuel racial tensions stoked by Lieberman's February election campaign call to make voting or the holding of public office in Israel contingent on pledging loyalty to the Jewish state.

Arabs, who make up 20 percent of Israel's population, said the allegiance demand was aimed at them and accused Lieberman of racism.

Israel celebrated its Independence Day this year on April 29, in accordance with the Hebrew lunar calendar. Palestinian refugees around the world and Israel's Arab citizens mark the Nakba on May 15, the day after the British mandate over Palestine ended in 1948.

Ceremonies in the West Bank were held a day early this year because May 15 falls on Friday, the Muslim day of rest.

In Ramallah, hundreds of Palestinians, some holding large wooden keys to symbolize the keys of homes from which they fled in 1948, took part in a rally.

"I came here to show that we believe that one day we will return. If not me, then my son," said Mohammad Hassan, 79.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, on a visit to Syria, was to make a televised address later in the day to mark the Nakba.

The right-leaning government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, in which Lieberman's party is a key ally, has not endorsed the Western and Arab-backed goal of Palestinian statehood.

It also firmly opposes the division of Jerusalem and the right of return of Palestinian refugees, and Netanyahu recently introduced a demand that Palestinians, as part of any future peace agreement, recognize Israel as a "Jewish state".

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1085588.html

Israel isn't "Independent" by any means, they leech off the United States for funding, military aid, and International cover/support to cover up it transgressions. So the "Celebration of Israeli Independence" is yet another lie.

Palestinians have the right to simply tell the truth about the past. The 3 year jail-term for telling the truth of Israel's past shows exactly what type of statehood Israel seeks ... Nationalistic Fascism cloaked under all the "Holocaust/Persecution Pity" Zionists can manufacture.

[Voskhod3]

I agree that the ADL, JDL, and Foxman's ilk would be clapping with glee...

What the ADL, JDL and Foxman do is irrelevant when there is the 1st amendment.

So long as what you say is true then there shouldn't be a problem.

But it's no so.

Why?

Why do the ADL, JSL and the rest want to suppress free speech so badly?

(Note: Rhetorical questions).

[Aerioch]

Pro-Zionist American-Jews are intentionally using "Perception Management" to build support (aka using Lies) for tricking the United States into war with Iran.

If relations continue to deteriorate in coming months, we might have to go back in time to the Suez crisis of 1956 to find a time when relations were this fraught.

A case in point is Iran. That bogey-nation was everywhere at the Aipac conference. Every keynote speech – if they weren't directly written by that group's staff – seemed unmistakably scripted and "on message", dedicated to the existential threat that Iran poses not just to Israel, but the entire world.

A glossy brochure distributed at the Aipac meeting showed a map (pictured below) centred on Iran and beyond, with a dark ominous ring around Iran's neighbours and as far away as India, Russia, Africa and eastern Europe. The message: these are the countries under imminent threat of Iranian ballistic missiles.


Aipac map A map contained in a brochure distributed at an Aipac meeting

The brochure copy even intimates that the next step for Iran is "building a missile with range to reach US territory". (Never mind that Iran doesn't yet have any ballistic missile capable of carrying a nuclear weapon, nor will it have the bomb itself for anywhere from a year to five years depending on which you source you choose to believe.)

Israel is in the midst of a massive diplomatic, political and intelligence campaign, both public and covert, that could lead – if those officials behind it have their way – towards a military strike on Iran. It is a war for the hearts and minds of Americans. Or you might call it the war before the war. In intelligence circles, this Israeli project is known as perception management and defined by the department of defence as:

    Actions to convey and/or deny information … to foreign audiences to influence their emotions, motives and objective reasoning as well as to intelligence systems and leaders … ultimately resulting in foreign behaviours and official actions favourable to [US] objectives. In various ways, perception management combines truth projection, operations security, cover and deception and psychological operations.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/may/13/aipac-iran-us-obama

[HUMANUS_GENUS]

I don't know how I'd find the time to read through this thread? 

[Raincheck]

I don't know how I'd find the time to read through this thread? 

That's okay. Just pick it up from here and hang on. 

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

What a stupid thread on a stupid board.
The very title is there to coax in nutters from each extreme and label those with legitimate questions and answers in the same pile.
It inself, as with many board names hear put the person in defensive or attack frame of mind in the first place. Its the type equivelent of a FOX 'news' banner.

Bet this is bookmarked with many in organisation such as the ADL or JDL and they rrub their hands with glee.

they'd come here anyway, bro, they came even when the forum was first created, back when it was the .tv forum and 100% unmoderated, we had it all, and we've been having all and sundry come since, it didnt start just happening all of a sudden or when the first thread was renamed etc...

[Voskhod3]

aLLyOuRbAsE,

re: "nutters".

Do Jews control the news and entertainment media, finance, senate and congress?

Cheers,

Voskhod3

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

aLLyOuRbAsE,

re: "nutters".

Do Jews control the news and entertainment media, finance, senate and congress?

Cheers,

Voskhod3

im sposed to say yes, right, thus proving without a shadow of a doubt that this is a jewish conspiracy and that we need to stop the jews?

thats fine if you think that, i guess, i think its a little f**ked up, to me this goes beyond the star of david.

im not going to get into an argument over who sits at the top of the pile, in my opinion its an idea, not a race or religion, but hey i know that wont stop you from "its the jeeeeeeeewwwwwwwssssss"....

[Aerioch]

Do Jews control the news and entertainment media, finance, senate and congress?

I wonder why this didn't make the MSM Newscasts in the U.S.?    I also would like to know why Congress, and the Senate fail to even sanctions for Israel's repeated violations on U.N. Resolutions on settlement expansion?

Growing Majority of Americans Oppose Israel Building Settlements
April 29, 2009


A new WorldPublicOpinion.org poll finds that three-quarters of Americans think that Israel should not build settlements in the Palestinian territories. This is up 23 points from when this question was last asked in 2002.

Israeli settlement of Ma'ale Adumim located in the West Bank (Photo: Decode Jerusalem)

One third of Americans show more sympathy for Israel than the Palestinians, substantially more than the 12 percent who express more sympathy for the Palestinians.

undefinedHowever the largest number--51 percent--expresses equal levels of sympathy for each side. The percentage expressing equal levels of sympathy is up 10 points from 2002.

Even those respondents who sympathize more with Israel feel that it should not be building settlements in the West Bank by a clear majority (64%), as do those who sympathize equally with Israel and the Palestinians (80%), and those who sympathize more with the Palestinians (96%).

"Americans are showing increasing impatience with Israel for building settlements," comments Steven Kull, director of WorldPublicOpinion.org. "Even the third of Americans who sympathize with Israel more than the Palestinians oppose the settlements."

Opposition to settlements is found among majorities of Republicans (65%), Democrats (83%) and independents (74%). However, more Republicans show more sympathy for Israel (50%) than sympathize with both equally (41%), while Democrats overwhelmingly express equal levels of sympathy (55%) as do independents (64%).

The poll of 1,004 respondents was fielded March 25 to April 6, 2009 by Knowledge Networks. The margin of error is plus or minus 3-4.5 percent.

Each respondent was also asked to evaluate an argument against and an argument in defense of Israel's building settlements in the Palestinian territories. These arguments were originally developed with the advice of the Israeli embassy in the US and the Palestinian Mission at the UN.

Both arguments were found convincing by a majority, but the argument against the settlements was found convincing by a larger margin. Sixty-two percent found convincing the argument against the settlements, that "UN resolutions 242 and 338, which were endorsed by nearly all members of the UN, including the US, called for Israel to withdraw from territories it invaded in the 1967 war. Thus, for Israel to build new settlements in these areas is illegal under international law." This is up five points from 2002.

At the same time a 54 percent majority also found convincing the argument in defense of the settlements, that "Israel has a right to build settlements in the West Bank and Gaza because Jews have lived in these areas for centuries and have legitimate historical claims to property there." This is unchanged from 2002.

After hearing the arguments, opposition to the settlements was 60 percent. While still a majority, this was substantially lower than it was without hearing the arguments. This is quite interesting because, though the argument against the settlements was found more convincing than the argument in their defense, the argument in defense of the settlements appears to have had more influence on attitudes. It may be that the argument in defense of the settlements was new for more people than was the argument against them.

A modest majority--53 percent--say that the US should make it a high priority (45%) or one of the highest priorities (8%) "to resolve the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians." This is down 16 points from 2003.

Twenty-nine percent say they follow the news on the issue at least fairly closely. Those who follow the issue closely are more likely to say that the US should make the issue a high priority (72%). They are also much less likely to express equal levels of sympathy for both sides (31% as compared to 51% for the whole sample). Correspondingly, they are more likely than the general sample to have more sympathy either for Israel (47%) or for the Palestinians (21%).

However, when it comes to the question of the settlements, those who followed the issue closely are not significantly different from the general sample: three-quarters of both groups oppose the settlements. Their response to the arguments about the settlements and their position after hearing the arguments are also approximately the same.

Those who both follow the issue closely and believe that the government should make it a high priority--what could be called the "issue public"--constitute 21 percent of the sample. This group is also less likely to say they sympathize with both sides equally (36%) and more likely to express more sympathy for Israel (43%) and for the Palestinians (20%), than the sample as a whole. However, they are just as likely to oppose the settlements as is the sample as a whole.

The poll was fielded by Knowledge Networks using its nationwide panel, which is randomly selected from the entire adult population and subsequently provided Internet access. For more information about this methodology, go to www.knowledgenetworks.com/ganp.

WorldPublicOpinion.org is a project managed by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland. Funding for this research was provided by the Rockefeller Brothers Fund and the Calvert Foundation.

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brunitedstatescanadara/604.php?nid=&id=&pnt=604&lb=





"We must not question, Israel." -- Sarah Palin,

[Voskhod3]

im sposed to say yes, right, thus proving without a shadow of a doubt that this is a jewish conspiracy and that we need to stop the jews?

thats fine if you think that, i guess, i think its a little f**ked up, to me this goes beyond the star of david.

im not going to get into an argument over who sits at the top of the pile, in my opinion its an idea, not a race or religion, but hey i know that wont stop you from "its the jeeeeeeeewwwwwwwssssss"....

Typical... yes you are supposed to say yes because that's the truth and you know it.

However you decided to go down the "it's the jeeewssss/jooooz/juice" (delete where applicable) road instead.

Really.. it's a give-away.

Why are some people so against discussing the bleedin' obvious?

[stOneskull]

That's funny, i was just reading an article about what Bermas said on the radio show, and how any talk of Israelis or Jews get you banned here.  Interesting, as I thought when I read that, it's total BS.

Now, that said.....

I am NOT an anti-semite, for disagreeing with the actions of the Israeli government.  I am NOT an anti-semite for thinking Zionism is bull.  I am not an anti-semite, because it has nothing to do with being Jewish.  If I am an anti-semite for being critical of Israel then I'm anti-german because of the Nazis.

I believe both the Israelis and the Palestinians deserve a safe and peaceful existence with a home of their own.  I can not condone murdering civilians, on EITHER side.  But most of all, I can't condone being called an anti-semite or a racist because I think the Israeli government is doing some pretty evil things.  Spying on their allies, killing their allies, stealing land, using banned weapons against civilians, using force against red cross and UN workers. 

If someone can point out how that makes me an anti-semite, feel free.

you aren't an antisemite.

and if you point out that the US congress is controlled by Zionists then you aren't either.

you are just pointing out what is there.

Cynthia McKinney has served in congress.. and six times too..
none of us have (well, I don't think so).

She says 99% of congress is controlled.

you'll have almost 600 members of congress and 5 are independent thinkers.

anyway..

there is admissions of power like in the quoted line from the LA Jewish times,
there are news stories every day about what israel does.
there is an obvious huge imbalance between the jewish population
and their population at the tops of banks, media and government.

so..

you as an ordinary guy,
not a suicidal hater in his single room,
not a white-nationalist hitler lover,
not a 'divider-and-conquerer'
not a 'cointelpro'
not a troll
just a guy.. someone who cares about the world..
who can see the world could be a better place and isn't..
that people in power could make it a good world but they don't.
you see that these people in power are mainly jewish
you point it out, you want to discuss it..

and you get other people,
who are supposed to be just guys (and girls too)
who you think are openminded and interested in what's going on.
and they start freaking out.
i understand it a bit.. like when i was young.. and all the brainwashing and programming i'd get from television and other people..
just like a 'sheeple' or whatever..
but come on..

i guess there are sheep-pens for the slightly more aware sheep..
like russian dolls.

makes me think guys like jason bermas or other 'alternative media' hosts
are there on purpose as shepherds of rebellious sheep they can't keep in the 'mainstream media' sheep-pens.

same thing with stupid white nationalists and groups like stormfront.
they are racists and probably there on purpose as well.

anyway,
come on..
why can't it be discussed?
when it isn't, and people freak out and yell 'antisemite' or whatever,
i think it makes it worse.. maybe creating a little antisemitism.

stop freaking out.

[Voskhod3]

StOneskull, that is a great post.

[stOneskull]

i'd like to type some thoughts i'm having
about the words 'antisemite', 'antisemitic', 'antisemitism'

i can understand criticising the word 'antisemitism' but does it really help?
it is known to mean anti-jewish, even though, yes it does not mean anti-semite.
it is why i use it without the hyphen.
may as well accept the word antisemitism means anti-jewish.
it is a stupid word, and it is used to stifle discussion, and it is interesting knowing what 'semite' means,
but i don't think it helps much saying 'arabs are semites', 'israel is anti-semitic' etc.
better off, if accused to just say 'no, i am not antisemitic'

antisemitism would just be being anti-jewish for nothing.
all jews and everything about jews.
like you're just a nutso.

grr.. i'm so tired of the word in general.
it still has an impact..
i know that feeling you get where you are scared to say anything negative about jews.
i've meditated on it a lot and still get that feeling.
all those movies and tv shows i've watched that have programmed my subconscious..
so deeply.
so it still has the impact wanted, like what herzl said..
and will have an impact for a long time..
so my wish for the word to go away is probably a waste of a wish.

but man.. i wish people would just discuss what someone is saying about jews
listen and discuss..
rather than close the discussion and throw that stupid word in their face.

[Voskhod3]

Another great post.

Your two posts describe exactly how I feel.