I am not an anti-semite, I just blame jews for everything (Title Modified)

[Infowarrior uk]

So how can we review?
I'm looking forward to it and shall promote it if its worth it.
Some strange shit happened there.

 trailer here:


http://www.youtube.com/v/vIvbCDsMrSg&rel=1&border=1

[Amishism]

WW 1 and the Israeli connection? WW 2 and the Israeli connection? Because we all know that is when Israel became a country. How about Vietnam? Oh oh oh or OKC bombing, was that Israel? And what about Waco? Did Israel burn women and children at waco? Is Israel responsible for illegal immigration? Why does Israel want real ID worldwide? How does Israel run the World Council of Churches?

You and Chris Bollyn could get on CNN, again, with this piece.

[Infowarrior uk]

its just a post of a new film dude, thats all.
I thought networking is all about forums and truth movements

[Infowarrior uk]

Following on from my last post on this forum here:-
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=26252.msg103366#msg103366
And
Following on from my last bulletin post on myspace here:-
http://bulletins.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=bulletin.read&messageID=5351918483&MyToken=01e4b387-9b2e-4d08-8dcb-c38dfbd87ac0

Again the prisonplanet forum has doctored my post convicting a new 9/11 film being made on the Israeli connection .
From the original title of
"9/11 and the Israeli connection film coming"
to
"9/11 and the Israeli connection film coming with nice anti-semitic slant"

No freedom of speech there, they have deliberately changed the title again to give the film a bad name before it's even released!!

I'll make my own mind up when i see the whole film NOT by the view of a moderator on a forum thats supposed  to fight for freedom of speech and truth.

[Infowarrior uk]

Following on from this thread here:-
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=26873.0

Again a doctoring of the topic title in this forum to post a heading that I'VE NOT POSTED

Bad, really bad this will be well exposed..

[michaledvor42]

some of these  moderaters  really hug !!!!!!

[kermitthefrayer]

WOW 7 posts troll much?

[Infowarrior uk]

lol you're trying to disinfo me as a troll, what do you expect me to post in here when the posts are being doctored?
Give me a break, I post elsewhere where there is no strict moderation banning free speech.
And I read a lot.
3 years investigating all this would be a waste for a troll wont it?
Creating my own myspace for truth networking, promoting Alex and others, presently trying to create my own website for more exposure.
What?

[Beefcake]

I personally have no problem with the video.  We can blast no planers or space beam posts but its is almost 100% chance Israel was involved in the 9/11 attacks more specifically Mossad.  Of course they didn't lead the whole event but they definitely were involved whether it be through prior knowledge, enabling or even in media propaganda.  In one way or another they were involved they have motive and opportunity.

We know Jews don't do everything yadayada and the nwo isn't all jews but you see i'm not saying that.  What i am saying is that zionists were involved in 9/11 end of story even Alex Jones has said that.  I understand the controversy though because jewish groups will shut down anything they claim is antisemitic so any host of a show that pushes israel involvement is under serious threat of getting shut down.  Its wrong but its reality.

Alex has the best arguments for 9/11 inside job because they avoid wedge issues and he just points out the facts that are not tied to any one group.  I'm not saying that Alex just sticks to the facts so he avoids linking Israel because the facts do point to some aspects of mossad involvement and mossad has a history of false flags.  What i am saying is that Alex must be cautious because his show is very important to him and us and the world for that matter and if you just talk about Israel you get flagged and cancelled plus i don't want to here all about isreal because its not all about them.

But let there be no doubt that Israel involvement in 9/11 is not a space beam, nuke crackpot theory it is fact.

[kermitthefrayer]

Cointelpro... Take the blame off the globalist and lets all blame the Jew Zionists... LOL I'm not saying they didn't have a hand in but who didn't?  Is really worth focusing on these minor issues.  When we should be taking on the whole of the problem not its little pinky toe.

[shirteesdotnet]

I agree. Zionists are but a small part of the whole puzzle when you get deeper and deeper into this. Its still worth researching, but I no longer "focus" on zionist related stuff as the main arguments for EVERYTHING.

[Amishism]

But let there be no doubt that Israel involvement in 9/11 is not a space beam, nuke crackpot theory it is fact.

Really, until there's evidence it is a crackpot theory, and one put forth by the guilty party?
You're not going to say you can tell nationality by the way someone dances, are you?

I'm not sure it's anti-semitic to suspect Jewish Zionist (both in US gov and Israeli) as being involved in some pro-Israel agenda, they do help the Vatican on many levels (masonically setting up Israel). It can be anti-semitic if you are scapegoating the Jews refusing to identify the real 100% guilty, the Vatican. I'm not talking about the Catholic people, at this level, but Vatican agents in our government that many are not aware of, because everyone keeps scapegoating the Jews, which protects the real guilty.

It is these same guilty Vatican agents, Knights within the CIA and heads of state (George Bush and all Bonesmen), who blame the Jews, Jews who will not obey the Pope or his fascist government, and so the Jews, like Bible believing Christians, are a target of the counter-reformation of the Catholic Church, what world-government is about.

George Bush and the neocons are only Zionist in that Zionism is a Vatican agenda. A far greater Vatican agenda is world government (which is not Zionist), which is what 9-11 was about, authority (counter-terrorism laws) to go into all countries. Far bigger than Israel.

Is Israel requiring China to have RFID?
How about bank records tracking worldwide, Israel?
Israel wants US flight security and passports to tighten?

Whether it's anti-semitic or not, it's just wrong to scapegoat one group allowing the other to go on killing, and the killing continues.

[Beefcake]

If i was to gauge the involvement of Mossad in 9/11 and to give it a easy to swallow % i would say that 25% of 9/11 was Mossad that is 1/4.  This includes the osama propaganda before the attacks, the attacks themselves and the ensuing war on islam since.  Mossad has heavily infiltrated the neo-cons and we know they were involved. 

So lets simplify
25% Mossad, Shin Bet(Israeli secret services they don't represent Israelis but a radical sect and is nwo).
25% Islamic secret services(like mossad they actually hate their own people and love to cast them in a bad light so they can crack down and control them also nwo).
25% CIA, MI6(western intelligence agencies who also want to the "unwashed" which is us. Also nwo).
25% Hapless participants in drills and various functions and had no idea what was going on but were involved in one way or another.  Pawns.

That is 100% however controlling all these groups are the financiers, the bankers the people who in the end determine whether the Op goes ahead.

When Israel is mentioned, many of us come off sounding like AJ "all these people who say israel did it all and jews did it"  Lets not tire that out. 
If somebody actually says that jews did 9/11 and that they did it all then ok say it but don't say it at the mere mention of Israel, its obnoxious. 

Alex is who he is and has his opinions based on his life experiences don't pretend that you have formed these opinions yourself.  Lets form our own opinions and be individuals.  The NWO did 9/11 that much we know and anyone working to push the NWO agenda is also culpable.

[Amishism]

If i was to gauge the involvement of Mossad in 9/11 and to give it a easy to swallow % i would say that 25% of 9/11 was Mossad that is 1/4.  This includes the osama propaganda before the attacks, the attacks themselves and the ensuing war on islam since.  Mossad has heavily infiltrated the neo-cons and we know they were involved. 

So lets simplify
25% Mossad, Shin Bet(Israeli secret services they don't represent Israelis but a radical sect and is nwo).
25% Islamic secret services(like mossad they actually hate their own people and love to cast them in a bad light so they can crack down and control them also nwo).
25% CIA, MI6(western intelligence agencies who also want to the "unwashed" which is us. Also nwo).
25% Hapless participants in drills and various functions and had no idea what was going on but were involved in one way or another.  Pawns.

That is 100% however controlling all these groups are the financiers, the bankers the people who in the end determine whether the Op goes ahead.

When Israel is mentioned, many of us come off sounding like AJ "all these people who say israel did it all and jews did it"  Lets not tire that out. 
If somebody actually says that jews did 9/11 and that they did it all then ok say it but don't say it at the mere mention of Israel, its obnoxious. 

Alex is who he is and has his opinions based on his life experiences don't pretend that you have formed these opinions yourself.  Lets form our own opinions and be individuals.  The NWO did 9/11 that much we know and anyone working to push the NWO agenda is also culpable.

The mossad did not remote control those planes into the buildings, neither did the arabs.

I want at least motive and opportunity, since we will never get confessions.

George Bush was directly involved 100%. George Bush is, unknown to some,  a papal knight bonesman.

[Beefcake]

I didn't say that Mossad remote controlled anything and how do you know anything was remote controlled do you have some evidence of remote control other than its possibility?  I would also add that i think Bush had little to do with any of the Op and that he is just a figurehead puppet thus he read a book to children.

Aside from those 2 things read my post again.  This is how i described potential Mossad involvement. It could have been in any capacity anywhere in the time line.

This includes the osama propaganda before the attacks, the attacks themselves and the ensuing war on islam since.

9/11 was more than just the attack itself that was only a portion most of the op.  Most of the hurt was caused by infowar on the public to incite hatred in the Islamic world.  I don't hate any group and the Israeli people are just as much prisoners of a totalitarian regime as we are but pls don't take me out of context.

I went to painstaking efforts to illustrate that Mossad was involved in a portion of the OP and not running it don't try and say that i think they did it all.

This is what happens when people talk about Mossad but i don't care i will say what i want because i know that i don't hate Israel i hate NWO of all shapes and sizes and Mossad is NWO.

[Amishism]

If you're saying arabs flew planes into the buildings our discussion is over. You can go to the 9-11 forum and debate 9-11. Because I don't have to prove there weren't any, you have to prove the arabs are guilty. Experts have testified and there is video evidence that those were military cargo planes, and no plane hit the pentagon. That is direct US military or some US branch involvement. George Bush is CEO of the military and he is not the only papal knight running this government. The CIA runs intel, they are papal knights also, all are guilty before, during and after the fact.

There is absolutely no evidence of any mossad. They have no power in US military.

[Beefcake]

Papal Knights? thats some heavy nwo lore there.  You will never hear Alex Jones talk about the Papal knight angle of 9/11 lol but he has mentioned Mossad being involved in plenty of false flags.  Anywho papal knights did everything with the leadership of sir lancelot.  They are the rulers of the world i give up.

[jimd3100]

There is absolutely no evidence of any mossad. They have no power in US military.

Larry Silverstein was as close to Israeli leaders as you can be. The pentagon comptroller on 9/11 is an avowed Zionist named Zakheim. The undersecretary for defense policy D Feith actually works for Israel. His boss Wolfowitz, has close family that live in Israel, and also he works for Israel. Rumsfeld hired these guys. These guys were the civilian leadership of the US Military. Every Presidential candidate in the spring goes to AIPAC convention to pledge their loyalty to Israel. Israel enemies are Muslim Arabs. We are the ones waging a "global war" on "Islamic" terrorists. The Military industrial complex sells lots of weapons to Israel who get the money to buy the weapons from the US Government who got that money from you and me. Israel is extremely involved. It has nothing to do with wether or not someone is a Jew. It is about Zionism and a very stupid decision made by the UN in 1947.

Blaming Jews for everything is not very productive or accurate, but to say Israel is not extremely involved in shaping our foreign policy, and our government is not accurate either. There is more censureship in America on events in "the holy land" than in Israel itself. Even so called Christians have been brainwashed into thinking that to get to heaven they must support Israel. They don't know how to read a bible, or UN documents.

[Sane]

Larry Silverstein was as close to Israeli leaders as you can be. The pentagon comptroller on 9/11 is an avowed Zionist named Zakheim. The undersecretary for defense policy D Feith actually works for Israel. His boss Wolfowitz, has close family that live in Israel, and also he works for Israel. Rumsfeld hired these guys. These guys were the civilian leadership of the US Military. Every Presidential candidate in the spring goes to AIPAC convention to pledge their loyalty to Israel. Israel enemies are Muslim Arabs. We are the ones waging a "global war" on "Islamic" terrorists. The Military industrial complex sells lots of weapons to Israel who get the money to buy the weapons from the US Government who got that money from you and me. Israel is extremely involved. It has nothing to do with wether or not someone is a Jew. It is about Zionism and a very stupid decision made by the UN in 1947.

Blaming Jews for everything is not very productive or accurate, but to say Israel is not extremely involved in shaping our foreign policy, and our government is not accurate either. There is more censureship in America on events in "the holy land" than in Israel itself. Even so called Christians have been brainwashed into thinking that to get to heaven they must support Israel. They don't know how to read a bible, or UN documents.

NOW THAT IS A MOVIE I WANT TO SEE!

The above clip uses innuendo and fuzzy logic of 6 year old videos that we have already seen to muddy the watter.  jimd3100 in his one post gave more credibility than that clip.  But we will see the movie anyway like we always do, because we always want to see if we missed something.

[Amishism]

Larry Silverstein was as close to Israeli leaders as you can be. The pentagon comptroller on 9/11 is an avowed Zionist named Zakheim. The undersecretary for defense policy D Feith actually works for Israel. His boss Wolfowitz, has close family that live in Israel, and also he works for Israel. Rumsfeld hired these guys. These guys were the civilian leadership of the US Military. Every Presidential candidate in the spring goes to AIPAC convention to pledge their loyalty to Israel. Israel enemies are Muslim Arabs. We are the ones waging a "global war" on "Islamic" terrorists. The Military industrial complex sells lots of weapons to Israel who get the money to buy the weapons from the US Government who got that money from you and me. Israel is extremely involved. It has nothing to do with wether or not someone is a Jew. It is about Zionism and a very stupid decision made by the UN in 1947.

Blaming Jews for everything is not very productive or accurate, but to say Israel is not extremely involved in shaping our foreign policy, and our government is not accurate either. There is more censureship in America on events in "the holy land" than in Israel itself. Even so called Christians have been brainwashed into thinking that to get to heaven they must support Israel. They don't know how to read a bible, or UN documents.

You leave out the Vatican and the Rockefellers. Rockefellers founded and used the UN to found Israel, for the Vatican, because the Rockefellers are Illuminati Knights Templar Vatican banker bloodline. The UN was founded by the Illuminati globalist for their world revolution, the same revolution that took Russia and France before that. WW2 was finance by these Wll Street revolutionaries who then founded the United Nations and the CFR. ALL of this comes from the Vatican.

There are Zionist in the US gov who serve the interest of Israel, very important to the Vatican, for religious reasons. AIPAC is another Rockefeller body.

[jimd3100]

You leave out the Vatican and the Rockefellers. Rockefellers founded and used the UN to found Israel, for the Vatican, because the Rockefellers are Illuminati Knights Templar Vatican banker bloodline.

I'm forgetting about Rockefeller? Well, actually there would be no Israel without the Rothschilds.......The plan for creation of Israel was hatched 30 years before the UN existed.

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/balfour.htm

The Avalon Project  at Yale Law School
Balfour Declaration 1917
November 2nd, 1917

Dear Lord Rothschild,

I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.
"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.
Yours sincerely,

Arthur James Balfour

[Amishism]

Rothschid, another Templar Vatican banker, it even says so in the Encyclopedia Judaica. Apparently the top banker with keys to the bank, the Vatican bank. Rothschild is also a Knight of Malta.

The Mossad, who could have played a role overseas are also an intel ran by Freemasonry and Vatican Knights. In order to be a Knight of Malta they must be a Knight of Columbus in the Catholic Church and a Freemason. This is where the Freemasonic-Catholic connection is made.

[Sane]

you guys are thinking so 20th century...

Israel was founded (envisioned) by our great forefather Albert Pike

But however Israel came about, as of the moment they are a state with much evil warmongering leadership (sound familiar).

Over 80% of the people are against the war in Iraq, so the israeli people (like the american people at the moment) seem to be occupied by an enemy to their interests.

tens of thousands of their children have been radiated by their leadership to genocide specific sects of jews.

the warmongering lobby groups do have ignorant jewish followers that have no idea what zionism is.

bottom line is:

1. no aid for the entire middle east region especially israel (this would send a message to the world-there are no favorites)

2. Israel should not be immune to any 9/11 investigation (but either should saudi arabia, netherlands, vatican, pakistan, germany, and of course...Great Britain)

the only reason so much attention is given to israel (besides the art students, the software systems, the looting of military funds, the PNAC evildoers) is because of 1. and 2.

those issues cause more anti-semitism in this country than dropping DU bombs on palestinian civilian targets.

[jimd3100]

Here's a great site for documents relating to the creation of the modern state of Israel........................

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/mideast.htm

[Beefcake]

I have to reiterate my original post said that Mossad was but a portion of the 9/11 event i never said they were everything but as usual anyone mentions Israel people get all heated and start saying " oh ya Israel did everything" and " oh i guess Jews did 9/11"."

Israel didn't do everything the Rockefeller didn't do everything the masons didn't do everything.  All of the above did it.

Alex jones has said before that if 3 people rob a bank one guy is waiting outside then they all robbed the bank.  Same here they are all guilty just as guilty as each other and they should all be discussed not one of the collaborators will avoid my wrath.

Beefcake won't stand for it.  Barry Zwicker says not to attack people with different ideas and i say we practice that.  We are all experts on 9/11 trust me I've read every book and printed website pages and made archives at one point i was obsessed we all have been so for any of us to criticize the other persons understanding is ridiculous.  Best we can do is offer our take.

For the record i have never started a thread talking about Israeli involvement but i'm not gonna say they weren't involved because they were end of story to what capacity who knows but since 9/11 they have had carte blanche to do whatever they want over there in the name of fighting "terror." 

Anyway thats not my point point is that many groups benefited by 9/11 Israel was one of them.  Lets stop with anger.  Israelis are good honest people but their leaders are very corrupt and they are the ones that had a hand in the 9/11 fiasco.  Trust me the people of Israel would love for the world to see the real tyrannical leaders that they have and that Mossad is doing horrible things in their name.  Unless somebody shines light on this then they are prisoners like us under a ruler that our media never talks bad about except for wedge issues and making fun of how he says "nuclear."  We are all together in this:)  except the space beam and nuke folks i think thats garbage they need to take a hike:)

[lazarus]

Anyway thats not my point point is that many groups benefited by 9/11 Israel was one of them.  Lets stop with anger.  Israelis are good honest people but their leaders are very corrupt and they are the ones that had a hand in the 9/11 fiasco.  Trust me the people of Israel would love for the world to see the real tyrannical leaders that they have and that Mossad is doing horrible things in their name.  Unless somebody shines light on this then they are prisoners like us under a ruler that our media never talks bad about except for wedge issues and making fun of how he says "nuclear."  We are all together in this:)  except the space beam and nuke folks i think thats garbage they need to take a hike:)

Yup. The Israeli people are trapped in the matrix of deceit just like we are now. Perpetuated by their leaders. It so happens that the matrix of deceit involves Jewish sensibilities which just makes the noose around their necks tighter. God help all parties involved I say.

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[jimd3100]

 Israelis are good honest people but their leaders are very corrupt and they are the ones that had a hand in the 9/11 fiasco. 

Well, IMO Israel is a terrorist state founded by terrorists. Guess that makes me a horrible person. But I see no reason why I am supposed to support it.

http://www.pr-inside.com/poll-israelis-favor-large-scale-military-r439941.htm

Poll: Israelis favor large-scale military operation in Gaza


2008-02-15 08:12:18 -


JERUSALEM (AP) - A majority of Israelis want the military to launch a large-scale military operation against Palestinian rocket squads in the Gaza Strip, a poll showed Friday.
Israel has been battling militants launching rockets from Gaza with pinpoint operations and airstrikes, but the ongoing fire has drawn increasing calls for a major army invasion. The government has been hesitant to approve such an operation so far because of the likelihood it would result in the deaths of a large number of soldiers and civilians and might not succeed in halting the rockets.
In the poll conducted by the Teleseker company for the Maariv daily, 67 percent of respondents said they supported a broad ground operation. Only 25 percent said they were opposed.
When pollsters mentioned military estimates that a large operation would have a high price in Israeli casualties, support dropped to 51 percent and opposition rose to 38 percent.
Despite their support for a military operation, Israelis are skeptical about the chances of success, the poll showed: 53 percent said they believe a large operation will not bring an end to the rocket fire.
The poll included 500 respondents and had a margin of error of 4.4 percent.

[Amishism]

Knights of Malta

The Sovereign Military Order of Malta, also known as the original Sovereign Military Order of St. John of Jerusalem, is a closed fraternity of the Roman Catholic Church. Its initiated members must be Catholic and have served in the military.

The Sovereign Grand Master of the order is recognized as a head of state, and his authority is ensured by his secular ranking as a Prince, and his ecclesiastical ranking as a Cardinal.

The Sovereign Military Order of Malta (SMOM) are ideologically and historically allied with international Freemasonry (since 1717), ultimately sharing the same goal of bloodline supremacy, whether their members accept this or not. The Masonic grades of The Knight of Malta and The Knight Templar are the Rosicrucian upper-degrees of Freemasonry, and clearly reveal their heritage.

Ironically, in recent years a belief in the Catholic faith has not been an essential prerequisite for potential members who have the right connections.  Non-aristocratic parties can now be initiated by the "Magistral Grace" of the Grand Master, although not in Britain, Germany and other European countries with a strong tradition of nobility.  However, this has allowed many Americans to join, and an "Order of Merit" is bestowed upon those who have outstandingly served the Knights or their works.  Past Presidents Ronald Reagan and George Bush are such honorary initiates, and Reagan was the toast of an extravagant dinner held by the Order in 1989.

This Order of St. John, whose current Sovereign Head is HM Queen Elizabeth II, similarly use the Cross of Malta insignia as their emblem. While they too claim that charity and protecting the poor are their main cause, this has been used as a tool of Western Imperialism for the last 1000 years, and began with the first Crusades to occupy Jerusalem.



The unusually shaped Cross of Malta was the original emblem of the controversial Knights Templar, who were based in Malta, and was adopted as the official insignia of the Knights of Malta, when the Knights Templar were forced to submit to the authority of the Vatican.


Pilgrim Society members
Rockefeller, John Davison, Jr. 1874-1960
Rockefeller, Percy Avery 1878-1934
Rockefeller, James Stillman 1902-2004
Rockefeller, Nelson Aldrich 1908-1979
Rockefeller, David 1915-alive
Rothschild, Edmund Leopold 1916-alive
Schiff, Jacob Henry 1847–1920
Schiff, Mortimer L. unknown
Schiff, John M. treasurer 1904-1987
Schiff, David T. unknown

Sovereign Military Order of Malta
George Herbert Walker Bush
-episcopalian religion
-Jesuit trained
-Knight Grand Cross of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath
-Order of Skull and Bones
-Shriner Freemason
-CFR
-Trilateral Commission
Fidel Castro
Alan Keyes
Antony Blair
Benito Mussolini
(Cardinal) Francis Spellman
(Cardinal) Adam Maida
(Cardinal) Terence Cooke
(Cardinal) Pio Laghi
David Rockefeller
-SMOM Knight of Malta
-Banker, Statesman, Globalist, UN
-CFR Director
-Bilderberger
-Trilateral Commission
-Council of the Americas
-Shriner Freemason
-Presidential Medal of Freedom (1998)
-U.S. Legion of Merit (1945)
-U.S. Legion of Honor (1945)
-Italian Order of Merit
-Order of the Sun, Peru
-Order of the Cedar, Lebanon
-Order of the Crown, Belgium
-National Order of Ivory Coast
-Order of the Aztec Eagle, Mexico
-Order of the Southern Cross, Brazil
-Order of Francisco de Miranda, Venezuela
-Order of Humane African Redemption, Liberia
-The Grand Croix of the Legion d'Honneur (2000)
-Grand Cordon, Order of Scared Treasure, Japan (1991)
-Knight Commander's Cross of the Order of Merit, Germany
-Order of the White Elephant and Order of the Crown, Thailand
-World Brotherhood Award, Jewish Theological Seminary (1953)
-Medal of Honor for City Planning, American Institute of Architects (1968)
-The Hundred Year Association of New York's Gold Medal Award: "In recognition of outstanding contributions to the City of New York" (1965).
Edward Egan (Archbishop New York)
Michael Chertoff
Rothschild family

Rupert Murdoch
Ted Kennedy
Winston Churchill

complete list of knowns with reference cited

To deny the Vatican's role in world politics is to deny history. Israel's history is short. Saying "look at so and so's name, he is a zionist" is shallow.

[Sane]

I have to reiterate my original post said that Mossad was but a portion of the 9/11 event i never said they were everything but as usual anyone mentions Israel people get all heated and start saying " oh ya Israel did everything" and " oh i guess Jews did 9/11"."

Israel didn't do everything the Rockefeller didn't do everything the masons didn't do everything.  All of the above did it.

Alex jones has said before that if 3 people rob a bank one guy is waiting outside then they all robbed the bank.  Same here they are all guilty just as guilty as each other and they should all be discussed not one of the collaborators will avoid my wrath.

Beefcake won't stand for it.  Barry Zwicker says not to attack people with different ideas and i say we practice that.  We are all experts on 9/11 trust me I've read every book and printed website pages and made archives at one point i was obsessed we all have been so for any of us to criticize the other persons understanding is ridiculous.  Best we can do is offer our take.

For the record i have never started a thread talking about Israeli involvement but i'm not gonna say they weren't involved because they were end of story to what capacity who knows but since 9/11 they have had carte blanche to do whatever they want over there in the name of fighting "terror." 

Anyway thats not my point point is that many groups benefited by 9/11 Israel was one of them.  Lets stop with anger.  Israelis are good honest people but their leaders are very corrupt and they are the ones that had a hand in the 9/11 fiasco.  Trust me the people of Israel would love for the world to see the real tyrannical leaders that they have and that Mossad is doing horrible things in their name.  Unless somebody shines light on this then they are prisoners like us under a ruler that our media never talks bad about except for wedge issues and making fun of how he says "nuclear."  We are all together in this:)  except the space beam and nuke folks i think thats garbage they need to take a hike:)

well put

[Amishism]

Look at the world view of the United States. Obviously a warmongering bunch over here, but why and how can we stop them?

Is it because the USA is a Zionist occupied land? If so the only answer is to invade and occupy them(USA) and restore their freedom. They obviously have lost all control of their government and can't even elect a constitutionalist, Ron Paul. They have become an unconstitutional threat to the world.


Or is it because the USA is the whipping boy, the military arm of the Vatican. If this is the case the problem is the Vatican and defeating the USA will not solve the problem.


Past history shows how the Jesuits were kicked out of countries and ties severed with the Vatican, this is what brought an end to Vatican / Papal rule, previously.


Do you want the world (Russia,China) to invade Zionist USA to stomp out all religion only to erect a world government for the Pope, as before?  Because this will not fix the problem. Religion is not the problem, the Vatican is.

[Sane]

OMFG - I am turning into a tree hugging leftist hippie, oh well I will say it anyway:


guys, I see almost no difference in your overall points of view. 


am I too conditioned by the liberally biased media?

what is going on with me?

[Amishism]

Here's a great site for documents relating to the creation of the modern state of Israel.

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/mideast.htm

Jesuit.edu will NEVER talk about the Vatican history or involvement in world politics

[Sane]

This seems to be possibly the fairest assessment of the situation we are discussing concerning Zionism in the 20th Century.  It was written before 9/11 and is not influenced by those events.  The events that are most interesting to me are those before, during, and after WWI.  The events surrounding WWI was critical in all issues related to the Middle East and I think this books nails the issues surrounding the Zionist vs. jewish influence.  It does not get into anything regarding possible jesuit/knights templar influence and stays mostly to completely substantiated facts, references, logic, etc.

I think it is a good read especially for anyone who thinks the 9/11 truth movement is any way anti-semetic.  The clear seperation of zionism and jewish leaves little room for confusing them.

I am not a titerary genius and may be completely off with my assessment.  Please correct me where I am wrong on this evaluation. Thanks

Anyway here it is:

Pre - Barbarians Inside the Gates 1 - The Black Book of Bolshevism - The Serpent's Sting (2000)
http://www.scribd.com/word/download/210031?extension=pdf

[Amishism]

What we are being told happened at the Russian Bolshevik revolution and what actually happened on the ground in the early 1900s are likely two different things. Instead of, as many books claim, "Bolshevism was Jewish", it was Catholic cult of Fatima, with the hierarchy (Lenin,Stalin,Trotsky) being part of the Illuminati (as real as Freemasonry) which was Catholic from the beginning.

This seems to be possibly the fairest assessment of the situation we are discussing concerning Zionism in the 20th Century.  It was written before 9/11 and is not influenced by those events.  The events that are most interesting to me are those before, during, and after WWI.  The events surrounding WWI was critical in all issues related to the Middle East and I think this books nails the issues surrounding the Zionist vs. jewish influence.  It does not get into anything regarding possible jesuit/knights templar influence and stays mostly to completely substantiated facts, references, logic, etc.

I think it is a good read especially for anyone who thinks the 9/11 truth movement is any way anti-semetic.  The clear seperation of zionism and jewish leaves little room for confusing them.

I am not a titerary genius and may be completely off with my assessment.  Please correct me where I am wrong on this evaluation. Thanks

Anyway here it is:

Pre - Barbarians Inside the Gates 1 - The Black Book of Bolshevism - The Serpent's Sting (2000)
http://www.scribd.com/word/download/210031?extension=pdf

Sane,

About this book, if there is such a thing as an antisemitic piece of literature, this is it. I say this based on statements in the book and contradicting accounts of historical events, also, the author appears to be Catholic. While being Catholic in no way makes one guilty, if this Catholic then takes part in the conspiracy, well, that makes him part of it. They historically blame Jews.

My definition of antisemitism:scapegoating Jews for crimes of others. There is also an religious connotation in that there is a ruling Catholic persecuting power, as in the Inquisition and the German Nazi times. The Jews are targeted (like Protestants) because of their religious beliefs, they will not bow to Rome.

Book Quotes by "Donn De Grand Pre":
page x
The cunning tactics and terror techniques of Lenin and
Stalin and their Zionist (say Bolshevist) Comrades, headed by such
historically significant thugs as “Iron Felix” Dzerzinsky and Leon
Trotsky (Lev Bronstein), are today being implemented with a
vengeance right here in our own country – the United States of
America – once the citadel of liberty and freedom; now, fast
becoming the premier fascist police state.

We too may ask the question: just whose country is it?
These latter-day Bolshevists, dedicated conspirators with a
fanatical will to power, are seizing the critical levers of
government and straining for the ultimate brass ring – a one-world
United Nations of absolute despotism.

That is the opening paragraphs of the first chapter. The Bolsheviks are assumed to be Zionist with no proof. We can try and speculate that "Grand (master) Pre" bases this assumption, or is selling this position based on the fact that some of the Bolsheviks have been associated with Jewish names, coming from Jewish backgrounds. This is a rather shallow outlook on history and anyone taking this seriously is being mislead.

Whether the conspirator-revolutionary is Jew or Protestant, once they take on the Freemason-Illuminati level of religion they have been converted and are no longer a religious Jew or Protestant. Indeed it is impossible to be a Protestant who practices Kabala, the religion of the Illuminati and hierarchy at the Vatican and the Jesuit Order, a sun cult.

Also failed to be addressed was Stalin's education as a youth, where he studied to be an Orthodox Priest.

fuzzy math
page 407:
According to Mr. Unz, today at Harvard College, Hispanic and
black enrollment has reached 7% and 8%, respectively.… He [Unz] goes
on to report that nearly 20% of the Harvard College student body is
Asian-American, and 25 to 33% is Jewish, although Asian-Americans
make up only 3% of the US population and Jewish-Americans even less
than 3%. Thus, 50% of Harvard’s student body is drawn from about 5%
of the US population.

When one adds foreign students, students from our tiny WASP
elite, and children of graduates, what emerges is a Harvard student body
where non-Jewish whites – 75% of the US population – get just 25% of
the slots.
continue..
If elite colleges and grad schools enroll 75% of their students
from the small Democratic minorities while white Christians and Catholics,
who make up 75% of the population,. are relegated to 25% of the seats,
there is no doubt who is going to run America in the 21st century.

Here "Grand De Pre" correctly makes note of affirmative action irregularities where whites are marginalized in the USA, yet it is the WASP, as he calls us (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant) who are the marginalized in these Jesuit universities, as in the media (of all types). Catholics were among those minorities, not the 75% majority. This figure is changing.

Notice "Grand De Pre" seems to count himself among the WASP with his phrase, "students from our tiny WASP elite". Other areas of his writing calls this presumption into question. Also with this claim is that there is a WASP elite. There is no WASP elite. The elite politicians, banker, heads of media are all anything but WASP, mostly Roman Catholic, going way back to the founding of this country and before.

Naming a charpter with a latin phrase "THE MCNAMARA MEA CULPA", is a Romanist action.

edit:"our tiny WASP elite" could also mean his belief or claim that the elite ruling over all are Protestant., in which case is still in false.

[Amishism]

This report from Russia Today tells how Jewish Zionist were persecuted under the Stalinist Soviets. This is consistant with the Illuminati's plan for Israel, to run the Jews out of all Europe to Israel, which was accomplished to large extent by the end of WWII. The Video tells how Jew Zionist were persecuted, executed and sent to the Gulag. This also agrees with the book Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, a survivor of the Soviet gulags.

Russian Jewish community thriving after dark past
February 18, 2008
video
After years of mass emigration Russian Jews are returning home in increasing numbers. Persecution in Tsarist Russia and then the Soviet Union led many to leave for Israel and the U.S. But those who've made the decision to come back say Russia is now more tolerant and prosperous.
Pre-revolution Russia was, at its height, home to the largest Jewish population in the world. Now there are officially just 300,000 following Judaism.

Such a dramatic decline in less than 150 years is the result of the anti-Semitism prevalent in the country's past. It started under Tsar Aleksandr the Second in the 1880's but it was during the Soviet Union, under Stalin, when the Jewish faithful faced particularly harsh treatment.

Russian Jewish emigres took advantage of exit visas, fleeing for Israel, the U.S., and Europe during the 1970s, and 1980s. This exodus didn't stop with the collapse of Communism either. At its peak between 1989 and 2000 more than a million Russian Jews left to set up home in Israel. 

When President Putin came to power at the start of the 21st century there was a shift in thought and deeds.  He talked about the need to offer support and solutions for Jewish issues and concerns. 

At one time Russian emigres made up almost a third of Israel's population.  Now thousands each year are returning to the country of their birth.  "It's a unique historical period. Many new communities have been established, many schools, cultural centres and synagogues have been built. Thousands of people have joined the faith, after being taken away from it during all their lives," Aleksandr Boroda, Federation of Jewish Communities of Russia, said.

To learn more click the VIDEO button.

[trixi1]

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2008/01/04/p22321

How Mossad Deceived the U.S. Military on 9/11
Christopher Bollyn

Mossad, Israel's military intelligence agency, infiltrated the most sensitive computer networks in the United States through a little start-up company known as Ptech, in Quincy, Massachusetts.

Most notably, it was this infiltration that allowed the events of September 11, 2001 to occur.

If the crimes of 9/11 had been properly investigated, these people would have been investigated and booked long ago. The Mossad connection is obvious; read on:

In order to facilitate the computer network penetration, Mossad set up a IT consultancy and software provider named Ptech using Lebanese and Arabs as the front-man financiers and founders and keeping their Jewish American "sayan" in a secondary, but critical position.

First a note of background on what Ptech did, from the January 2005 article "Michael Chertoff and the sabotage of the Ptech investigation" on the Rigorous Intuition weblog:

    "Joe Bergantino, a reporter for WBZ-TV's investigative team, was torn. He could risk breaking a story based on months of work investigating a software firm linked to terrorism, or heed the government's demand to hold the story for national security reasons. In mid-June, Bergantino received a tip from a woman in New York who suspected that Ptech, a computer software company in Quincy, Mass., had ties to terrorists. Ptech specialized in developing software that manages information contained in computer networks.

    "Bergantino's investigation revealed that Ptech's clients included many federal governmental agencies, including the U.S. Army, the U.S. Air Force, the U.S. Naval Air Command, Congress, the Department of Energy, the Federal Aviation Administration, the Internal Revenue Service, NATO, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Secret Service and even the White House.

    "Ptech was doing business with every federal government in defense and had access to key government data," Bergantino said.

    Source:
    rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/01/michael-chertoff-and-sabotage-of-ptech.html


Michael S. Goff
The Mossad handler at Ptech was, in my opinon, an American named Michael S. Goff, who is disingenous about what he did, when he worked at, and when he left, Ptech.

It should be noted that Ptech "got on its feet in 1994." Goff implies that he left Ptech when Goff Communications began in 1994; certainly not true.

Here is what Michael Goff's website says about his work there:

    Michael was marketing manager at Ptech, Inc., a leading provider of business process modeling, design and development software. In this capacity, Michael managed various marketing programs and activities including public relations, direct mail, Web development, collateral, trade shows and seminars. Additionally, Michael worked closely with the Ptech sales organization to perform competitive analysis as well as manage lead tracking and fulfillment activities.

    When Michael first joined Ptech, he shared responsibilities between marketing and information systems for the company. As information systems manager, Michael handled design, deployment and management of its Windows and Macintosh, data, and voice networks. As part of this effort, Michael developed Lotus Notes-based systems for sales and marketing lead tracking and IS service and support requests. Michael also performed employee training and handled all procurement for software, systems and peripherals.

    See: www.goffpr.com/about.asp

From Goff Communications website, you will notice that one of his current prize clients is an Israeli company known as Guardium. Guardium is less than 5 miles from Hanscom AFB, site of MIT's Lincoln Labs and about the same distance from Boston's Logan Airport. The Israelis are all over MIT and Boston.

See: www.guardium.com/

Guardium, a "database security" firm, is clearly a Mossad operation working in a critical area - the same area that the two planes that hit the World Trade Center originated - Boston's Logan Airport.

Don't take my word for it, look at who finances Guardium:
(this is from the Internet archive; the original vanished)
www.guardium.com/investors.html


Three firms, all Israeli, and all manned by Mossad agents. It should be noted that Mossad's headquarters are in Herzeliya. It is clear that the three firms, Cedar Fund, Veritas Venture Partners, and StageOne, are all Mossad funding outfits.

So, with Ptech, what we had was an American "sayan" [i.e. Jewish agent who works with the Mossad when necessary], Michael S. Goff, who had Mossad agents feeding him information and directing him WHILE he worked with his Lebanese Muslim "partners" in Ptech.

Now why would a young American lawyer working with a good law firm in his home town suddenly leave the practice of law and work with a dodgy start-up software company owned and financed by a Lebanese and a Saudi? Get the picture? Am I making sense?

Goff's family is a well-respected an well-known family in Worcester, Mass. He had it made at a good law firm after leaving law school. Why the career change?

Mossad asked him to do it. For the good of the Jewish people, etc, etc.

Under Goff, Ptech software loaded with trapdoors and Trojan Horses was sold and loaded onto the MOST sensitive computer systems that failed miserably, or performed well (depending on your view), on September 11, 2001.

Goff's father and grandfather, Samuel, were accountants who belonged to Worcester's "Commonwealth Lodge 600 of B'nai B'rith", whatever that group does for the American people. They were both 32nd Degree Masons. Does an apple fall far from the tree?

IMPORTANT NOTE to the non-corrupted FBI and U.S. Law enforcement agents: If you take a close look at the individuals who are running Guardium, and those behind the three companies who are financing this outfit, and interrogate them in Guantanamo for a few weeks, we will get to the bottom of who pulled of 9/11. I guarantee it.

¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ ¤

© 2007 Christopher Bollyn

SOURCE: http://www.bollyn.com/index/?id=10761

[rio]

We need to get over our differences in this so-called truth movement and get behind Anti-Neocons

War By Way Of Deception trailer

War By Way Of Deception demo

[Hermes]

What a joke.

[Sane]

War by Way of Deception Part 1 Secret release
49 min - Feb 12, 2008 -  (8 ratings)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5420590771746662384

If you want to see a great way to put the 9/11 truth movement back 3 years, this is a great movie.

It gives 20 year old arguments like "people need to realize that conspiracies exist" and then spend 10 minutes talking about Israel's oppression of Palestinians.

Now Israeli/Wahabbi genocide of Palestinians is a big issue, but to call this a 9/11 truth film is a serious "War of Deception" on the movement itself.

$100 says this entire film can be traced back to zionist disinfo specialists!

[rio]

$100 says this entire film can be traced back to zionist disinfo specialists!

You're wrong on this one Sane.