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Re: Scots Independence Poll Puts ‘Yes’ Campaign Ahead at 51%
« Reply #40 on: September 16, 2014, 07:40:11 pm »
If that 'yes rating' is what I assume it to be then NO should have it in the bag by 3am if they're putting up a decent fight at that point. A good time to catch some sleep perhaps.

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« Reply #41 on: September 16, 2014, 08:00:30 pm »
David Cameron - Scots Stupid For Wanting To Keep Their Own Oil Revenues

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8XIeAZEWYM

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Re: Scots Independence Poll Puts ‘Yes’ Campaign Ahead at 51%
« Reply #42 on: September 16, 2014, 08:03:24 pm »
 I am with my Clan: and I say: "Tell the Queen to take the Long Walk off a Short Pier..." ;)

 in the 1300's Scotland took the British to the wood shed...and WE the Americans did the same...in 1776... ;)

 Go Scotland!!!... and tell the Queen to "Kiss our Arses!"


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Re: Scots Independence Poll Puts ‘Yes’ Campaign Ahead at 51%
« Reply #43 on: September 16, 2014, 08:31:32 pm »
I believe if you believe..

If that 'yes rating' is what I assume it to be then NO should have it in the bag by 3am if they're putting up a decent fight at that point. A good time to catch some sleep perhaps.

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BBC Ex Business Editor Slams State Broadcaster’s Anti-Scottish Independence ‘Propaganda’

http://en.ria.ru/world/20140913/192916021/BBC-Ex-Business-Editor-Slams-State-Broadcasters-Anti-Scottish.html

EDINBURGH, September 13 (RIA Novosti), Mark Hirst - The BBC's former Business Editor, Paul Mason, has launched a stinging attack on the British state broadcaster over its coverage of the Scottish independence campaign.
Mason, who worked for the BBC for 12 years before becoming Economics Editor at Channel 4 News in 2013, wrote on his Facebook page that, "Not since Iraq have I seen BBC News working at propaganda strength like this. So glad I'm out of there."
Later in an official blog written for Channel 4 News Mason again attacked coverage of Deutsche Bank's warnings that an independent Scotland would lead to a 1930"s economic depression in Scotland.
In an article, published Saturday and titled "Deutsche's 'Wall Street Crash' Prediction Goes Ueber Alles On the Airwaves," Mason highlighted previous "warnings of doom" by the same bank, but which were ignored by the German government, over the consequences of introducing a minimum
wage for German workers.

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Re: Scots Independence Poll Puts ‘Yes’ Campaign Ahead at 51%
« Reply #44 on: September 16, 2014, 11:05:28 pm »
it was pretty funny today they had Lord Monkton on saying how the Scot's couldn't go it alone and would be broke...
if you look at the previous posts Max K lays out how they can make do


Max Keiser - Stand Up Rage: Scottish Referendum Special - Part One - YesBar - 11th September 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O51kXjXzvq8
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We'll give you more powers AND more cash than England
« Reply #45 on: September 17, 2014, 10:09:44 am »
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2757554/Cameron-Clegg-Miliband-pledge-higher-spending-Scotland-rule-English-parliament-Tory-MPs-say-no-Scottish-Chancellor-EVER.html#ixzz3DU25eahU

'We'll give you more powers AND more cash than England': Desperate Cameron, Clegg and Miliband in last-ditch bribe to Scotland (but a parliament for the English is ruled OUT)

Scotland will continue to get more money than England if it rejects independence, David Cameron, Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg said in a joint pledge released today ahead of Thursday’s crunch vote.
The three Westminster party leaders agreed a joint declaration that the Scottish Parliament will be given sweeping new powers over tax, benefits and health.
But Scotland will still keep its ‘Barnett formula’ funding deal which transfers more cash to Scotland than England.
The dramatic offer risks causing anger in England at the suggestion that Scotland will continue to get preferential treatment.





Any nation that does this to children should be kicked to the curb no matter what the cost. Go Scotland.

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Re: Scots Independence Poll Puts ‘Yes’ Campaign Ahead at 51%
« Reply #46 on: September 17, 2014, 05:42:16 pm »
I believe if you believe..

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I'm not completely sure if that article was directed at me but I don't trust the BBC as far as I could throw them. I was simply pointing out that if the 'yes rating' denotes the likelihood of people voting YES then their side lose their way around 03:00-03:30. If NO is close at that point there's a decent chunk of the electorate which could swing the vote their way.

Though I didn't get the calculator out or anything. That's just what the chart suggests to me at a glance (and the source appears to be partially from the Scottish parliament). If I was a YES voter I'd be very worried if it wasn't in the bag by that point.

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Re: Scots Independence Poll Puts ‘Yes’ Campaign Ahead at 51%
« Reply #47 on: September 17, 2014, 06:01:08 pm »
The Scots are going about this all wrong.

Focus on two key reforms:

*  Debt-Free Money

-- http://www.moneyreformparty.org.uk/

*  Land Value Taxation

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZkfmY1PMng

-- http://www.landvaluetax.org
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

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Re: Scots Independence Poll Puts ‘Yes’ Campaign Ahead at 51%
« Reply #48 on: September 17, 2014, 10:10:28 pm »
Geo it looks like some people understand .

Ipsos MORI poll shows 7-point Yes surge on eve of Referendum Day | Yes Scotland
www.yesscotland.net
Yes Scotland Chief Executive Blair Jenkins tonight welcomed the new Ipsos MORI poll for STV which shows a 7-point surge in Yes support since last month to 49 per cent, with No down 7...

Eric Clyne ·  Top commenter
Scotland that beautiful country with most of its people tucked away in ugly bits.
Scotland needs land reform and planned relocation from post-industrial wastelands to places of great natural beauty. We should build new towns with new industries in placed of natural beauty. Tuscany is filled with towns and villages and isolated houses and is thought to be one of the most beautiful places in Europe. But for some reason much of Scotland must remain empty for tourists. What is the point of being Scottish living in a beautiful country and spending your life in a dump on an crumbling estate?
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The reason is that 435 people own 52 percent of our beautiful land and most of it was gifted from Royals for services to and for the Crown....enough said.
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Scottish Independence and the currency choice
Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond has stuck top his guns right to the end, that an independent Scotland will share the pound. But if he's wrong what are the other options?
For the latest in our series of reports on the referendum's key battlegrounds, ITV News Economics Editor, Richard Edgar, reports on Scotland's currency choice:
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-09-17/scottish-independence-and-the-currency-choice/

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Re: Scots Independence Poll Puts ‘Yes’ Campaign Ahead at 51%
« Reply #49 on: September 18, 2014, 08:28:57 am »
Any nation that does this to children should be kicked to the curb no matter what the cost. Go Scotland.

http://stormcloudsgathering.com/depleted-uranium-natos-war-crimes
One of the hidden tragedies of the Iraq wars has been a marked increase in birth defects, nervous system anomalies and cancer rates. In some areas birth defect rates have been shown to have increase by 15 times their previous rate.

There have been multiple attempts to impose a moratorium on the use of DU over the years, however France, Britain, The U.S., and Israel have consistently blocked such proposals. The next time you hear these governments or the mainstream media of one of these countries talking about chemical, or nuclear weapons that some other country may have or be planning to build, keep that in mind.

http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2014/09/16/scottish-independence-and-the-uks-depleted-uranium-weapons/

Scottish independence and the UK’s depleted uranium weapons
BY BELLACALEDONIA on SEPTEMBER 16, 2014   • ( 2 )
Over the last three decades, army tanks have fired more than 6,700 shells into the Solway Firth from the Dundrennan military range near Kirkcudbright, containing nearly 30 tonnes of DU.
If we win a Yes vote on Thursday, the ramifications are huge. One issue that has not been discussed in terms of the assets and ‘debts’ is the toxic legacy of the British State. Here the International Coalition to Ban Uranium Weapons explore some of the issues. See also Solway’s Silver Bullet (Variant).

In the late 70s, the UK MoD was busy massaging ministerial approval for its plans for a controversial DU firing range in south west Scotland. The site, near Dundrennan in Dumfries and Galloway, had been selected after other areas that could have provided open range firing were deemed politically unacceptable. The Scottish Office was nervous. In a strongly worded memorandum a WK Fraser, who had been busy trying to mitigate public opposition to a nuclear power station in the area noted that: “The allegation that Scotland has been made a “nuclear dustbin” is receiving a good deal of publicity in the press”. The plans went ahead regardless.

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Re: Scots Independence Poll Puts ‘Yes’ Campaign Ahead at 51%
« Reply #50 on: September 18, 2014, 08:48:35 am »
I can't believe that there are people on this forum supporting this blatant Balkanization of the UK. "Divide and conquer" ring a bell?
This is what is happening, Wales will be next, then Northern Ireland and then Cornwall and then we'll all be made to fully join the EU, no perks with the Euro as our currency.

The last bastion for the complete unification of Europe (the Uk) will be gone, done and dusted, GAME OVER!
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Re: Scots Independence Poll Puts ‘Yes’ Campaign Ahead at 51%
« Reply #51 on: September 18, 2014, 08:53:31 am »
I am with my Clan: and I say: "Tell the Queen to take the Long Walk off a Short Pier..." ;)

 in the 1300's Scotland took the British to the wood shed...and WE the Americans did the same...in 1776... ;)



...and then in 1707 they went broke and begged to form the Union. Make no mistake, we don't need them, I would rather have Scotland part of the Uk because I believe we will be a stronger country for it.
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Re: Scots Independence Poll Puts ‘Yes’ Campaign Ahead at 51%
« Reply #52 on: September 18, 2014, 09:19:09 am »
@ Libertarian

My Dog in this fight is disempowering the City of London. I live in the US , but we are still ruled by the BAR Association.
90 % of my fellow "Citizens"  have no inclination that we lost the liberty and sovereignty we proclaim.
Of the 10% that are aware something is amiss in our world, most have no idea the City of London plays a part in the malfunction.

What You Didn't Know About Taxes & The 'Crown'

By Mark Owen

There are two Crowns operant in England, one being Queen Elizabeth II. Although extremely wealthy, the Queen functions largely in a ceremonial capacity and serves to deflect attention away from the other Crown, who issues her marching orders through their control of the English Parliament. This other Crown is comprised of a committee of 12 banks headed by the Bank of England (House of Rothschild). They rule the world from the 677-acre, independent sovereign state known as The City of London, or simply 'The City.'

The City is not a part of England, just as Washington is not a part of the USA. The City is referred to as the wealthiest square mile on earth and is presided over by a Lord Mayor who is appointed annually. When the Queen wishes to conduct business within the City, she is met by the Lord Mayor at Temple (Templar) Bar where she requests permission to enter this private, sovereign state. She then proceeds into the City walking several paces behind the Mayor. Her entourage may not be clothed in anything other than service uniforms.

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Re: Scots Independence Poll Puts ‘Yes’ Campaign Ahead at 51%
« Reply #53 on: September 18, 2014, 09:26:56 am »
Yes I understand, England is also not part of the City of London, so in the same position. However United Kingdom has nothing to do with City of London. My solution would be, why can't we stuff the city of london and refuse to subject ourselves to their rule rather than Balkanize and break up the UK.

This is not America and the secession movement, completely different country and history. The Act of The Union was VOLUNTARY, nobody invaded Scotland in 1707 and forced them to join the UK.
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Re: Scots Independence Poll Puts ‘Yes’ Campaign Ahead at 51%
« Reply #54 on: September 18, 2014, 10:28:06 am »
@Libertarian

Yes , You are offering a better option . Good luck with getting people to understand the issue.
I supported Scottish Independence simply because that is the race being run today.
Maybe with this getting international attention more folks will become aware of how we have been played.

An intelligent article published last month suggested we make D.C. a part of any state and that would make that cesspool subject to that states constitution.
The way I understand it, D.C. is an false part of the U.S. and imposing foreign unlawful rule and taxation upon the  States.   
I was amazed to meet British Citizens in Cali with the 9/11 truth who had crossed the Atlantic specifically for that reason.

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Re: Scots Independence Poll Puts ‘Yes’ Campaign Ahead at 51%
« Reply #55 on: September 18, 2014, 11:37:25 am »
Apparently some ward polling stations have already closed 5-6 hours early due to reaching 100% turnout. If this continues elsewhere the 'don't knows' could be a huge anomaly here. The pre-vote polls may be completely out of whack.

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Re: Scots Independence Poll Puts ‘Yes’ Campaign Ahead at 51%
« Reply #56 on: September 18, 2014, 02:59:36 pm »
Meanwhile, at the Daily Mirror..

@Kevin_Maguire - Senior figure in No campaign predicted they'll win 58-42 in Scotland. Yes gone very quiet. We'll see

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Re: Scots Independence Poll Puts ‘Yes’ Campaign Ahead at 51%
« Reply #57 on: September 18, 2014, 07:24:56 pm »
Salmond has avoided the count and won't make an appearance til morning. I don't think he's opened the draw to his revolver and bottle of scotch yet but he's sitting in his bunker contemplating it.

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Re: Scots Independence Poll Puts ‘Yes’ Campaign Ahead at 51%
« Reply #58 on: September 18, 2014, 07:30:59 pm »
A YouGov survey predicts a 54% vote for No and 46% for Yes from a huge turnout that was nearly 100% in parts of Scotland.http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/live-scottish-independence-referendum-voting-4276290

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Re: Scots Independence Poll Puts ‘Yes’ Campaign Ahead at 51%
« Reply #59 on: September 18, 2014, 09:22:03 pm »


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 That Referendum today is important because the these words get an audience

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Police probe allegations of electoral fraud in Glasgow
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Police probe allegations of electoral fraud in Glasgow
19 September 2014
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http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/police-probe-allegations-of-electoral-fraud-in-glasgow.1411083982


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WOW! Scotlands "Dawn Of New Day" Final Insult After Rigged Independence Election
« Reply #61 on: September 19, 2014, 03:10:49 am »
WOW! Scotlands "Dawn Of New Day" Final Insult After Rigged Independence Election https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6qufeU5ofc

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BOOM! PROOF 'SCOTLAND INDEPENDENCE VOTE' WAS RIGGED!
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BOOM! PROOF 'SCOTLAND INDEPENDENCE VOTE' WAS RIGGED! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUR-HgAtwtg

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What Happens When Scottish Voters Give It Their 110%, According To CNN
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What Happens When Scottish Voters Give It Their 110%, According To CNN
18 September 2014
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-18/what-happens-when-scottish-voters-give-it-their-110-according-cnn
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The Scotland Referendum: Who Voted How And Why?
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The Scotland Referendum: Who Voted How And Why?
19 September 2014
, by Tyler Durden (Zero Hedge)
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-19/scotland-referendum-who-voted-how-and-why#comment-5233173

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The following post-referendum poll from Lord Ashcroft does a good summary of who voted how and why. However, the most telling distinction is the following:

    Voters aged 16-17: YES: 71%; NO: 29%

    Voters aged 65+: YES: 27%; NO: 73%


How will last night's vote look like in 5, 10 or 15 years when today's 17 year olds are Scotland's prime demographic?


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Cameron Vows More Powers for English After Scots Vote
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Cameron Vows More Powers for English After Scots Vote
19 September 2014
, by Thomas Penny and Robert Hutton (Bloomberg)
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/2014-09-19/scots-no-vote-still-leaves-cameron-facing-demands.html

Prime Minister David Cameron vowed to give English lawmakers more say on laws that only affect England after Scots rejected independence, a plan that may hit the opposition Labour Party’s chances of forming a functioning government.

Speaking after Scots voted yesterday against breaking away from the U.K. by 55.3% to 44.7%, Cameron said enhanced powers for the Scottish Parliament, promised in the closing days of the referendum campaign, will be matched by steps to cut the influence of Scottish lawmakers sitting in the House of Commons in London.

The Scottish Independence Vote: Breakdown of Results

“It’s time for our United Kingdom to come together and move forward,” Cameron said in a televised statement outside his London office this morning.

“A vital part of that will be a balanced settlement, fair to people in Scotland and importantly to everyone in England, Wales and Northern Ireland as well.”

Cameron is seeking to answer criticism from lawmakers in his Conservative Party angry that Scotland will be handed powers to control tax, spending and social policy while its lawmakers in Westminster would still be able to influence English laws.

The proposals may make it harder for Labour, which draws much bigger support than Cameron’s Conservatives in Scotland and Wales, to form an administration in London.

‘Side Effect’

“It’s very possible that increased devolution to Scotland could have the side effect of making it harder for Labour to govern the U.K.,” Philip Cowley, professor of politics at Nottingham University, said in an interview.

“They could have a parliamentary majority, but a minority on English health and education policy.”

Labour won 41 of the 59 Scottish House of Commons districts in the 2010 election, against the Tories’ one.

Without the Scottish districts, Cameron would have won a majority in 2010.


The most recent YouGov Plc poll, published today, put Labour support across the U.K. on 35%, with the Tories on 33%.

Standard calculations suggest that might give Labour about 333 seats in the Commons -- a majority of 16 -- an advantage that would be wiped out if 40 or so Scottish Labour lawmakers are barred from voting on some issues.

“The millions of voices of England must also be heard,” Cameron said as he announced a commission, headed by the leader of the House of Commons, William Hague, to oversee the necessary constitutional changes.

‘Decisive Answer’

“The question of English votes for English laws, the so-called West Lothian question, requires a decisive answer,” the premier said.

“Just as Scotland will vote separately in the Scottish Parliament on their issues of tax, spending and welfare, so too England, as well as Wales and Northern Ireland, should be able to vote on these issues; and all this must take place in tandem with, and at the same pace as, the settlement for Scotland.”

Cameron said he’s seeking agreement on the Scottish measures by November, with draft legislation published by January to be enacted in the next Parliament following the May 7 general election.

He said he hopes for cooperation from Labour, the Liberal Democrats and other parties on the arrangements.

‘Moving Parts’

Cameron has “played this very well,” Tim Bale, professor of politics at Queen Mary University in London, said in an interview.

“It’s going to be very difficult for Labour to argue against English votes for English laws.”

Still, Bale said, “there’s so many moving parts” to getting the legislation passed, with the package also needing the consent of the unelected House of Lords.

“The challenge now is to meet the scale of change that people across Scotland, England, Wales and every part of the U.K. want to see,” Labour leader Ed Miliband said in televised comments from Glasgow, Scotland’s biggest city.

“We need big change in politics and our constitution and it must be led by people, not politicians in Westminster.”

Still, one leading Scottish Labour figure urged caution.

“British politics is going to change, but we should not rush into it,” Jim Murphy, the party’s international development secretary, who toured Scotland in the campaign making the case against independence, told reporters in Glasgow as the results were being counted.

“This referendum campaign was a marathon, we shouldn’t sprint towards a U.K. constitutional change until we have thought it through properly.”

No ‘New Layer’

Hague said he doesn’t expect his commission to propose the setting up of a separate English Parliament, which has been demanded by some lawmakers.

“I don’t think our work will lead to a new layer of government,” he said in a BBC television interview.

“It becomes inconceivable to allow Scottish members to vote on everything that’s happening in England when English members and Scottish members can’t vote on so much of what’s happening in Scotland.”

Much legislation affecting Scottish day-to-day matters is already decided in the Scottish Parliament, rather than at Westminster.

A vote against independence was clearly not a vote against change and we must now deliver on time and in full the radical package of newly devolved powers to Scotland,” Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg, who leads Cameron’s Liberal Democrat coalition partners, said in an e-mailed statement.

“At the same time, this referendum north of the border has led to demand for constitutional reform across the United Kingdom as people south of the border also want more control and freedom in their own hands rather than power being hoarded in Westminster.”

Barnett Formula

A survey of House of Commons lawmakers yesterday found 63% who said the “Barnett formula” for calculating the distribution of U.K. government funding to Scotland should be overhauled.

During the referendum campaign, all three party leaders pledged to keep the formula, which ensures Scotland receives 1,623 pounds ($2,670) per head more than the rest of the U.K.

While the Welsh government has fewer powers than its Scottish counterpart, it does control health, education and transport, so Welsh lawmakers might also be prevented from taking part in votes at Westminster on those issues under the new arrangements.

 Labour won 26 of the 40 Welsh Commons seats in 2010, while the Tories took eight. Northern Ireland’s 18 seats are all held by local parties.

Cameron will need to make the Westminster voting changes to get his lawmakers to back the necessary legislation for more Scottish powers in Parliament.

Rights ‘Subordinated’

“Talk about feeding an addiction,” Conservative lawmaker James Gray wrote of the proposals on his website.

“The more you give them, the more they want, and we would be back with calls for independence within a decade or sooner.

For too long the rights and interests of the 55 million people of England have been subordinated to the shouting of 4.5 million Scots. That must end.”

Conservatives are also wary of losing votes to the U.K. Independence Party, which has set itself up as representing English voters and called for a separate English legislature.

“We’ve heard from Scotland, but you can’t go on with the tail wagging the dog any longer,” UKIP leader Nigel Farage said in an interview with BBC TV.*** “We need a parliament for England.”

Special Election

Cameron has also vowed, if re-elected, to renegotiate Britain’s European Union membership terms and put them to a referendum by the end of 2017.

He’ll come under increased pressure from rank-and-file Conservative lawmakers to deliver on that pledge should UKIP gain its first ever elected member of Parliament in a special election on Oct. 9.

Douglas Carswell, a prominent euro-skeptic Tory who defected to UKIP last month, is running for re-election in Clacton, east of London for his new party.

The vote against independence has taken some pressure off Cameron and Miliband in the run-up to their annual party conferences, the last before the general election.

Labour gathers in Manchester, northwest England, in two days’ time, while the Tories meet in the central city of Birmingham a week later.

“This is definitely better for Cameron than a vote for independence, but imposing this timetable means there’s really no breathing space,” Bale said.

“The idea they can have some major constitutional settlement sorted out by the election is incredibly ambitious.”


*** Scotland Decides: Nigel Farage on Scottish referendum result and change for England (19Sept14) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGgZabEuaAI
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Re: Scots Independence Poll Puts ‘Yes’ Campaign Ahead at 51%
« Reply #66 on: September 19, 2014, 08:03:57 am »
Strange if you think about it. The people of Scotland vote no to independence but now Cameron says because you voted no you must gain more independence,

Wouldn’t it be better to regard the no vote as a yes vote to make the situation more clear?


Speaking after Scots voted yesterday against breaking away from the U.K. by 55.3% to 44.7%, Cameron said enhanced powers for the Scottish Parliament, promised in the closing days of the referendum campaign, will be matched by steps to cut the influence of Scottish lawmakers sitting in the House of Commons in London.

Cameron and his bunch clearly say, you voted ‘No’ but you meant ‘Yes’. Strange …

- “A vote against independence was clearly not a vote against change and we must now deliver on time and in full the radical package of newly devolved powers to Scotland,” Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg, who leads Cameron’s Liberal Democrat coalition partners, said in an e-mailed statement.

“At the same time, this referendum north of the border has led to demand for constitutional reform across the United Kingdom as people south of the border also want more control and freedom in their own hands rather than power being hoarded in Westminster.”

Of course the real reasons are always about money and power:

MONEY

- A survey of House of Commons lawmakers yesterday found 63% who said the “Barnett formula” for calculating the distribution of U.K. government funding to Scotland should be overhauled.

POWER

- “It’s very possible that increased devolution to Scotland could have the side effect of making it harder for Labour to govern the U.K.,” Philip Cowley, professor of politics at Nottingham University, said in an interview.

“They could have a parliamentary majority, but a minority on English health and education policy.”

Labour won 41 of the 59 Scottish House of Commons districts in the 2010 election, against the Tories’ one.

Without the Scottish districts, Cameron would have won a majority in 2010.
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Re: Scots Independence Poll Puts ‘Yes’ Campaign Ahead at 51%
« Reply #67 on: September 19, 2014, 10:25:46 am »
this is whats going to happen to the GOP trying to retake the Senate after booting out all the teaparty newcomers ...

Jobs? Immigration? ObamaCare? Justice for the too big to jail? - those are not GOP issues anymore since the party was captured by the global elite 
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Re: Scots Independence Poll Puts ‘Yes’ Campaign Ahead at 51%
« Reply #68 on: September 19, 2014, 10:53:50 am »
“Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money.”

-- attributed to Sir Josiah Stamp, Director of the Bank of England (appointed 1928)


Until and unless the nation in question issues its own debt-free currency, debates about "independence" are a waste of time, because either way the people of that nation will remain slaves to private bankers.

http://www.positivemoney.org/event/independence-monetary-reform-can-scotland-change-banking-monetary-system-glasgow/

http://www.scottishmonetaryreform.org.uk/

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"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

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Re: Scots Independence Poll Puts ‘Yes’ Campaign Ahead at 51%
« Reply #69 on: September 19, 2014, 12:55:42 pm »
OK! Folks on this Forum; who, know that I am half Scottish and half Italian: and with this background and clan in both lands, I can say candidly that:
 The Scotch; will the tell Queen: "To Kiss our ARSES...as We will always be FREE.."

The Men of Scotland will pull off what most of the world can not...which is to break away from the Nazis'
I am disappointed: But I understand my Clan will tell the NWO to Kiss Our Arses! It will only be a matter of time: and that may come sooner than latter.

Clans know they were duped  >:(:  but we know how to come back... ;)
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Re: Cameron Vows More Powers for English After Scots Vote
« Reply #70 on: September 19, 2014, 05:23:42 pm »
“It’s very possible that increased devolution to Scotland could have the side effect of making it harder for Labour to govern the U.K.,”

This is why Labour are renewing their push for regional devolution amongst calls for an English parliament. England is generally more 'right-wing' than Scotland or Wales so conservatives would stand an improved chance of running the place, and Labour would like to ensure they keep their local fiefdoms even if the people democratically elect the Tories or UKIP at a general election. They're trying to find a way to hold power whatever the cost and it makes me puke.

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Re: Scots Independence Poll Puts ‘Yes’ Campaign Ahead at 51%
« Reply #71 on: September 19, 2014, 05:29:18 pm »
It's funny that the only person I agreed with in the alternative media was Webster Tarpley (the person I tend to most disagree with!). Everyone else was for balkanising the UK because of something they saw in a Mel Gibson movie one time. I love the film but it's just a Hollywoodised snapshot of history, people!

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Re: Scots of old say; YES! the youth of NWO---Say, NO!
« Reply #72 on: September 19, 2014, 06:42:06 pm »
 The Scottish folk use to be strong: Now, that the Minister of Briton; the moron, has brow beat the young folks: it looks like the Scots will be foolish, and fall prey to the Queen of color, which is: SH*T.

 The Braveheart was not a fantasy of Mel Gibson: The History is FACT!

 In times gone bye---bye---the youth would listen to the older folks---that time is gone: as the NWO takes the Mind and Heart of the youth and corrupts them forever!
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Stiglitz Gave Idea of Solo Scotland Credibility as Nobel Winner
« Reply #73 on: September 19, 2014, 09:08:35 pm »
Stiglitz Gave Idea of Solo Scotland Credibility as Nobel Winner
19 September 2014
, by Simon Kennedy (Bloomberg)
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/2014-09-19/stiglitz-gave-idea-of-solo-scotland-credibility-as-nobel-winner.html

Excerpt:

If you’re steering a populist movement that needs some economic advice, Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz is your man.

Seeking to end Scotland’s three-century union with the rest of the U.K., Alex Salmond was the latest leader to ask the Columbia University professor for guidance.

Stiglitz told him an independent Scotland could keep the pound, and oil revenue could guarantee its fiscal future.

“Independence may have its costs, although these have yet to be demonstrated convincingly; but it will also have its benefits,” Stiglitz said in an op-ed this month in the Glasgow-based Sunday Herald newspaper.

Fighting the mainstream is second nature to the 71-year-old former adviser to U.S. President Bill Clinton.

This year alone he’s attacked Europe’s austerity policies as a “dismal failure,” sided with Argentina in its fight with bond investors, suggested a tax on high-speed trading and repeatedly rallied against growing income inequality.

Such positions are in keeping with his use of the chief economist’s office at the World Bank in the 1990s to lambaste the crisis-fighting policies of the neighboring International Monetary Fund during the Asian financial meltdown.

When he eventually quit the bank in early 2000, he did so “rather than muzzle myself, or be muzzled.”
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**MORE PROOF** of Scotland Ballot Box Fraud Caught by Sky News
« Reply #74 on: September 20, 2014, 04:50:27 am »
**MORE PROOF** of Scotland Ballot Box Fraud Caught by Sky News https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmXIUWBcg_I

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SCOTTISH INDEPENDENCE : IT CANNOT HAPPEN
« Reply #75 on: September 20, 2014, 05:00:46 am »
SCOTTISH INDEPENDENCE : IT CANNOT HAPPEN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e12hmjPFiJs

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URGENT! Unionists & Scottish Independence Supporters Clash In Glasgow
« Reply #76 on: September 20, 2014, 05:11:19 am »
URGENT! Unionists & Scottish Independence Supporters Clash In Glasgow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0Zy_8JZjK4

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Re: Scots of old say; YES! the youth of NWO---Say, NO!
« Reply #77 on: September 20, 2014, 11:34:38 am »
Friday's show was more balanced, I thought. I hadn't listened to it before ranting above.

The Braveheart was not a fantasy of Mel Gibson: The History is FACT!

I'm not saying the general essence wasn't correct but it was barely more of a documentary than The Patriot (which I also like). It also happened a few centuries before Scotland joined the union.

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Re: Scots of old say; YES! the youth of NWO---Say, NO!
« Reply #78 on: September 20, 2014, 12:05:57 pm »
Friday's show was more balanced, I thought. I hadn't listened to it before ranting above.

I'm not saying the general essence wasn't correct but it was barely more of a documentary than The Patriot (which I also like). It also happened a few centuries before Scotland joined the union.

http://www.britannia.com/celtic/scotland/scot8.html
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In 1703, the Scottish Parliament passed an Act of Security that provided for a Protestant Stuart succession upon Anne's death, unless the Scottish government was freed from "English or any foreign influence." The English Parliament responded with an Alien's Act that prohibited all Scottish imports to England unless the Scots accepted the Hanoverian succession. The Scots reluctantly succumbed in order to gain the advantage of free trade with the new British common market. In 1707, the Act of Union cemented what had been a growing interdependence between the two countries.

Sometimes overlooked when discussing the reasons for Scotland's acquiescence in the union of the two nations, was the terrible beating taken by that unfortunate nation in the Darien affair. The Scottish Parliament's grandiose scheme to finance a rival to the East Indian Company and their attempt to found a colony on the isthmus of Darien, or Panama, was met with hostility by the English Parliament.

Disease and Spanish interference brought a quick, sad end to the scheme in which practically the whole Scottish nation had shown interest. Much of the blame was cast upon "Dutch William" and his English advisors. Scottish mercantile interests were forced by the experience to find a workable solution by abandoning a separate and divergent economic policy in favor of a merger that would be of equal benefit to both Parliaments.

Neither side was completely happy with the Union that many historians view as "judicious bribery." The Scottish people, in particular, had to balance the loss of their ancient independence against the need to open themselves up to a wider world and greater opportunities than their own country could provide. The English gained needed security, for no longer could European powers use Scotland as a base for an attack on its southern neighbor.
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Re: Scots Independence Poll Puts ‘Yes’ Campaign Ahead at 51%
« Reply #79 on: September 20, 2014, 05:10:28 pm »
When you look at British history you also see that it's probably one of the best arguments against monarchy you'll ever find (though I suppose the same could be said for Europe as a whole). It's actually kinda pathetic watching nations clubbing eachother for centuries over which ridiculous god-wannabe sits on which throne.