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Planes spot oil slicks in search for missing flight
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-missing-flight-sends-search-teams-to-air-sea/


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The plane "lost all contact and radar signal one minute before it entered Vietnam's air traffic control," Lt. Gen. Vo Van Tuan, deputy chief of staff of the Vietnamese army, said in a statement.

The South China Sea is a tense region with competing territorial claims that have led to several low-level conflicts, particularly between China and the Philippines. That antipathy briefly faded Saturday as China, the Philippines, Vietnam, Singapore and Malaysia all sent ships and planes to the region.




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Check the passport story out.

Two passengers safe at home.  Passports were stolen and used to board missing plane.
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Check the passport story out.

Two passengers safe at home.  Passports were stolen and used to board missing plane.
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Was it a terror attack? Two people aboard Boeing 777 that disappeared over Vietnam were traveling on STOLEN PASSPORTS as missing U.S passengers identified as IBM exec and two toddlers
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2576087/Malaysia-Airlines-says-plane-missing.html#ixzz2vPip1kMQ

An American national working for IBM in Malaysia has been identified as one of the passengers traveling aboard the Malaysian Airlines plane that vanished off the coast of Vietnam as new information concerning stolen passports has raised fears that it may have been an act of terror.

Philip Wood, 51, was identified as the only adult passenger traveling on a U.S. passport on Flight MH307. Two other American travelers have been named as toddlers Leo Meng, 2, and Nicole Meng, 4
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Earlier today, two oil slicks were spotted by the Vietnamese air force earlier today, as the major search and rescue operation was launched when the aircraft disappeared shortly after losing contact with air traffic controllers.

The Boeing 777, with 227 passengers and 12 crew members on board, took off from Kuala Lumpur at 12.21am (4.21pm GMT) bound for Beijing, where it was expected to land at 6.30am (10.30pm GMT). Among them were three Americans, including two toddlers.
But after reaching 35,000ft and 120 nautical miles off the coast of the Malaysian town of Kota Bharu the plane vanished, prompting fears the aircraft 'could have crashed'.

As Malaysian Airlines released a full list of the passengers on board - including five children aged two to four years old - it emerged two passengers were traveling on stolen passports.

Luigi Maraldi, 27, was listed as the sole Italian national aboard the missing flight, but according to his father, was not on the plane.
'Luigi called us early this morning to reassure us he was fine, but we didn’t know about the accident,' Walter Maraldi told NBC News. 'Thank God he heard about it before us.'

The name of Austrian citizen Christian Kozel, 30, also appeared on the passenger manifest, but the European nation's foreign ministry stated that the man was safe back home, and that his passport had been stolen.
 
Officials from Italy and Austria confirmed that the travel documents of both men were reported stolen in Thailand. 
A list of passenger names posted at the Beijing airport, apparently by Chinese authorities, listed three U.S. passport holders: Philip Tallmadge Wood, 51; Nicole Meng, 4; and Leo Meng, 2
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Wood is believed to be an IBM technical storage executive who began working in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, only three months ago, according to his LinkedIn profile.
 
As Saturday unfolded, more information started to emerge about some of the victims aboard the doomed plane.

The two Canadian passengers were identified as mining executive Muktesh Mukherjee and his wife Xiaomo Bai.
According to their Facebook pages, the couple had two young sons, who were apparently not aboard the flight. 
Also named among the passengers were Australian nationals Catherine and Robert Lawton, from Brisbane.
The husband and wife were reportedly traveling with their compatriots Mary and Rodney Burrows.
A third couple from Australia, Li Yuan and Gu Naijun, from Sydney, were also listed as missing.
 
As the air search was abandoned overnight, aviation expert Chris Yates said the plane would not be carrying enough fuel to still be in the air and would 'definitely have crashed'.

He told Sky News: 'Frankly the plane would not have been carrying enough fuel to stay aloft much longer than an hour after it was due to arrive in Beijing.

'We simply don't know the circumstances behind what caused that crash at the moment.
'There will be two areas for the investigation: the maintenance of the aircraft and also possible terrorism.'

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said there has been no sign of the missing plane.
He said search operations in an area about midway between Malaysia and Vietnam's southern coast were being intensified.
It comes as the Vietnamese air force reports it has spotted two oil slicks, thought to be from the wreckage of the crash.
A Vietnamese government statement said the slicks were spotted off the southern tip of Vietnam.
They were each between six miles and nine miles long, officials said.

The statement said the slicks were consistent with the kinds that would be left by fuel from a crashed jetliner, but it was not clear if they were connected to the missing aircraft.
 
'Vietnam rescue airplanes saw two oil spills and one smoke column in the area around 150 miles west of Tho Chu island, but we can't confirm it's from that Malaysia plane,' said Pham Quy Tieu, vice minister of transportation.

'We sent two maritime boats and some military boats there to clarify, each boat with about 20 people. The oil spills are about 15km (9.3 miles) long. Those boats will be there in about three to four hours.'

Less than one hour after Flight MH370 left Kuala Lumpur for Beijing, the plane disappeared from radar.

Malaysia Airlines CEO Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said there was no indication that the pilots sent a distress signal. The fact that there was apparently no call for help suggests that whatever happened to the flight occurred quickly.

'We are doing everything in our power to locate the plane. We are doing everything we can to ensure every possible angle has been addressed'

- Malaysian transport minister Hishamuddin Hussein

'We are doing everything in our power to locate the plane. We are doing everything we can to ensure every possible angle has been addressed,' Transport Minister Hishamuddin Hussein told reporters near the Kuala Lumpur International Airport.
'We are looking for accurate information from the Malaysian military. They are waiting for information from the Vietnamese side,' he said.
Ships in the area have been involved, scouring the vast site for signs of a wreckage.

The South China Sea is a tense region with competing territorial claims that have led to several low-level conflicts, particularly between China and the Philippines.

That antipathy briefly faded Saturday as China, the Philippines, Vietnam, Singapore and Malaysia all sent ships and planes to the region.


Malaysia had dispatched 15 planes and nine ships to the area. The U.S. Navy was sending a warship and a surveillance plane, while Singapore said it would send a submarine and a plane. China and Vietnam also were sending aircraft to help in the search.

Malaysian Airlines has confirmed the majority of those on board are from Malaysia and China, with three Americans, two Canadians and seven Australians and passengers from France.

Vietnamese state media, quoting a senior naval official, had reported that the Boeing 777-200ER flight had crashed off south Vietnam, but those reports have been denied, with the plane listed as 'missing'.

The Vietnamese Navy confirmed it detected the aircraft's emergency locator signal 153 miles south of Phu Quoc island in the South China sea.

Admiral Ngo Van Phat told the Vietnamese newspaper Tuoi Tre that radar showed the aircraft had crashed into the sea off the southern tip of Vietnam, close to the border with Cambodia.

TIMELINE OF FLIGHT MH307

12.21am (4.21pm GMT): Flight MH307 takes off from Kuala Lumpur airport

1.21am (5.21pm GMT): The flight failed to check in as scheduled while flying between Malaysia and Ho Chi Minh city, Vietnam

2.40am (6.40pm GMT): The flight loses contact with air traffic controllers

6.30am (10.30pm GMT): The flight was scheduled to land at Beijing

7.54am (11.54pm GMT): The airline issued a statement saying it had not landed and was officially missing

The paper later reported the Admiral qualifying his statement, saying the radar had revealed the presumed crash site.

Malaysian naval vessels saw no immediate sign of wreckage when they reached the maritime area off the country's northeast coast this morning, a senior rescue official said.

Malaysia has sent three maritime enforcement ships and a navy vessel to the area, backed by three helicopters, a Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency official said.

'Our aircraft asset spotted an orange speck in the sea where the last signal came from. We sent a vessel to search the area and it was confirmed that it was nothing,' he said.

The signal picked up by the Navy is believed to be the Emergency Locator Transmittor, which can be activated manually by the flight crew or automatically upon impact.

Crying relatives of Chinese passengers on board the plane wept at Beijing airport earlier today as it became clear the jet had probably crashed.

An unconfirmed report on a flight tracking website said the aircraft had plunged 650ft and changed course shortly before all contact was lost.

The route would have taken flight MH370, a B777-200 aircraft, across the Malaysian mainland in a north-easterly direction and then across the Gulf of Thailand.


Those on the flight included two American toddlers and a Chinese baby, and 12 crew members, Malaysian Airlines said in a statement, adding it was working with all authorities in the region and search and rescue teams had been mobilized.
The aircraft had been due to land in Beijing at 6.30am local time but at 7.54am the airline issued a statement saying it had not landed and was officially missing.
   

It said there were 152 passengers from China, 38 from Malaysia, seven from Indonesia, six from Australia, five from India, three from the U.S., and others from Indonesia, France, New Zealand, Canada, Ukraine, Russia, Taiwan and the Netherlands.

Chinese state media said 24 Chinese artists and family members, who were in Kuala Lumpur for an art exchange program, were aboard. The Sichuan provincial government said Zhang Jinquan, a well-known calligrapher, was on the flight.

The pilot of the passenger plane is Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, a 53-year-old Malaysia who joined the airline in 1981.
His co-pilot was 27-year-old First Officer Fariq Ab. Hamid, also from Malaysia, who joined the airline in 2007.
 
If the aircraft has crashed, and all the passengers and crew are killed, it would the deadliest aviation incident since November 2001.
In that incident, 265 people died after an American Airlines Airbus A300 crashed in Belle Harbor, Queens, after leaving JFK Airport in New York. The deaths included five people on the ground.

MAS Operations Control Vice President Fuad Sharuji said: 'We tried to call this aircraft through various means,' adding that it was carrying fuel for 7.5 hours when it disappeared.

Lai Xuan Thanh, director of Vietnam's civil aviation authority, said the plane was over the sea and bound for Vietnamese airspace but air traffic officials in the country were never able to make contact.

The plane 'lost all contact and radar signal one minute before it entered Vietnam's air traffic control,' Lieutenant General Vo Van Tuan, deputy chief of staff of the Vietnamese army, said in a statement issued by the government.

More than 10 hours after last contact, officials from several countries were struggling to locate the plane.

All countries in the possible flight path of the missing aircraft were performing a 'communications and radio search', John Andrews, deputy chief of the Philippines' civil aviation agency, said.

Xinhua said China has sent two maritime rescue ships to the South China Sea to help in the search and rescue efforts.

'It couldn't possibly be in the air because it would have run out of oil by now,' Shukor Yusof, an aviation analyst at S&P Capital IQ, said.
'It's either on the ground somewhere, intact, or possibly it has gone down in the water.'

Aviation experts said that if the report of the aircraft suddenly plunging was correct it could be due to a number of factors.

These include a catastrophic engine failure; the pilots taking evasive action to avoid another aircraft; or an explosion.
The airline has not said whether the pilots were able to issue a distress call - but if they did not, experts said this could indicate a catastrophy that had occurred without warning.

At Beijing's airport, authorities posted a notice asking relatives and friends of passengers to gather to a hotel about 15km from the airport to wait for further information, and provided a shuttle bus service.

A woman wept on the shuttle bus while saying on a mobile phone: 'They want us to go to the hotel. It cannot be good.'

Periodically, wails could be heard coming from inside the hotel conference room where the relatives were sequestered, and several people emerged in the mid-afternoon, complaining that airline officials were not providing sufficient information.

'We are being treated like dogs!' one man yelled, pushing through a crowd of reporters.

A waiting area for family and friends was also set up at the Kuala Lumpur airport the flight had left from.

Fuad Sharuji, Malaysian Airlines' vice president of operations control, told CNN that the plane was flying at an altitude of 35,000ft and that the pilots had reported no problem with the aircraft.

The Boeing jet lost contact with Malaysian air traffic controllers a little over two hours into its flight.
Reports from China's Xinhua news agency said later that the aircraft was lost in air space controlled by Vietnam and did not enter Chinese airspace or make any contact with Chinese controllers.

'Our team is currently calling the next of kin of passengers and crew,' the airline's chief executive, Ahmad Jauhari Yahya, said as the airline issued a statement saying its 'thoughts and prayers' were with all those on board as well as their families.


Finding planes that disappear over the ocean can be difficult. Airliner 'black boxes' -  the flight data and cockpit voice recorders - are equipped with 'pingers' that emit ultrasonic signals that can be detected underwater.

Under good conditions, the signals can be detected from several hundred miles away, John Goglia, a former member of the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board, said.

If the boxes are trapped inside the wreckage, the sound may not travel as far, he said. If the boxes are in an underwater trench, that also hinders how far the sound can travel. The signals also weaken over time.

Unconfirmed reports said it was believed the missing aircraft was involved in a crash in August 2012 when it damaged the tail of a China Eastern Airlines plane at Shanghai Pudong Airport.

The reports said that in that incident the tip of the wing of the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 broke off.


Retired American Airlines captain Jim Tilmon told CNN that 'it doesn't sound very good,' as the search continued for the missing jet.
'The route is mostly overland, which means there would be plenty of radars and radios to contact the plane.
'I've been trying to come up with every scenario that I could just to explain this away, but I haven't been very successful.'

Mr Tilmon said the jet was 'about as sophisticated as any commercial airplane could possibly be.'
   

Expert view: Aviation expert David Learmount said it is extraordinary that the crew aboard the Malaysia Airlines flight, which disappeared yesterday, did not make an emergency call

A leading aviation safety expert has said it is 'extraordinary' that the pilots of a missing Malaysia Airlines plane carrying 239 people did not make a distress call.

The Boeing B777-200 aircraft would have been cruising at about 35,000 feet when it lost contact over the South China Sea, giving the pilots 'plenty of time' to report any technical problems, Flight Global's operations and safety editor David Learmount said.

Mr Learmount said: 'Something happened and the pilots did not tell anyone. Why? It's a good question.

'It's extraordinary the pilots failed to call because they had plenty of time to. Unless there was a bomb on board but there has been no evidence of that.'

Mr Learmount, who is a pilot, drew comparisons with the Air France 447 plane crash over the Atlantic Ocean in 2009, which killed 216 passengers and 12 aircrew, including five Britons.

The aircraft crashed when pilots lost control after ice crystals affected sensors used to measure the plane's speed, he said.
Mr Learmount said: 'This is an historical comparison and could be a coincidence.

'It also happened in the early hours of morning, after midnight in the dead of night, and went missing without a call from the pilots.
'Modern aircrafts are beautifully built and incredibly safe.

'If the engines were to fail because of some kind of interruption to the fuel flow, they can glide with no problems whatsoever for about 40 minutes at that height.'


Mr Learmount said the time which the Malaysia Airlines plane went missing may be significant.
He said: 'Between midnight and 2am you're not at a mental or physical performance high - you're at the lowest performance standard in the 24-hour cycle.'

Plane's disappearance crash echoes Air France crash
Air France flight 447 crashed over the Atlantic in 2009

216 passengers were killed along with  12 crew members - five Britons were among the dead

Aircraft crashed when pilots lost control when ice crystals affected sensors used to measure the plane's speed
Investigators took two years to find the Air France plane

The failure to locate the plane so far was not unusual, he added, with investigators taking two years to find the missing Air France 447 plane.

However, Mr Learmount admitted he was 'puzzled' why authorities had not divulged a more accurate location of where the aircraft went missing.

'They may not know precisely but they know pretty accurately,' he said.

The 53-year-old Malaysia Airlines pilot, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, has more than 18,000 flying hours and has been flying for the airline since 1981, the company's chief executive Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said.

The first officer, 27-year-old Fariq Hamid, has about 2,800 hours of experience and has flown for the airline since 2007.


Airlines like the plane because it is capable of flying extremely long distances thanks to two giant engines.

Each engine is so massive that a row of at least five coach seats could fit inside it. By having just two engines, the plane burns through less fuel than four-engine jets, like the Boeing 747, which it has essentially replaced.

"It has provided a new standard in both efficiency and safety," said Richard Aboulafia, an aviation consultant with the Teal Group.
"The 777 has enjoyed one of the safest records of any jetliner built."

Besides last year's Asiana crash, the only other serious incident with the 777 came in January 2008 when a British Airways jet landed about 1,000 feet short of the runway at London's Heathrow Airport.

Malaysia Airlines did have an incident in August 2005 with a 777 flying from Perth, Australia, to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia's largest city.
While flying 38,000 feet above the Indian Ocean, the plane's software incorrectly measured speed and acceleration, causing the plane to suddenly shoot up 3,000 feet.

The pilot disengaged the autopilot and descended and landed safely back in Perth. A software update was quickly made on planes around the world.

Malaysia Airlines has 15 Boeing 777-200ER jets in its fleet of about 100 planes. The first was delivered on April 23, 1997, and the most recent on December 13, 2004, according to Boeing. The 200ER is one of four versions of the 777.

The 777 is capable of flying 7,250 miles non-stop. Its two Rolls-Royce Trent 875 engines each have 74,600lb of thrust, letting the plane cruise at Mach 0.84, or nearly 640 mph.

A new model has a list price of 261.5 million US dollars (£156 million), although airlines usually negotiate discounts.

The 777 was the first twin-engine plane to be immediately certified to fly over the ocean as far as 180 minutes from any emergency landing airport
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Government safety regulators have determined that it could fly for nearly three hours on a single engine in the case of an emergency.
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Synchronicity?

The movie "Non-Stop" starring Liam Neeson is now playing in theaters.  In the movie, TWO hijackers have placed a bomb in the plane.

trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSF6GPNXr9Y

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Malaysia 777 Flight MH370 is missing
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2014, 06:39:54 PM »
CNN is reporting that 20 employees from an Austin Texas Based Software Company are reported to have been on the Malaysian Flight that crash on it way to Beijing.


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Malaysia 777 Flight MH370 is missing
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2014, 07:00:41 PM »
Stub for articles/ posts - possible terrorist action - or fly by wire failure  - or shot down

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/03/08/china-bound-malaysian-jet-vanishes-with-239-aboard/
China-Bound Malaysian Jet Vanishes With 239 Aboard
March 8, 2014 10:41 AM

KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) — Vietnamese air force planes on Saturday spotted two large oil slicks close to where a Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 went missing earlier in the day, the first sign that the aircraft carrying 239 people had crashed.

The air force planes were part of a multinational search operation launched after Flight MH370 fell off radar screens less than an hour after it took off from Kuala Lumpur for Beijing early Saturday morning.
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The plane was carrying 227 passengers, including two infants, and 12 crew members, the airline said. It said there were 152 passengers from China, 38 from Malaysia, seven from Indonesia, six from Australia, five from India, three from the U.S., and others from Indonesia, France, New Zealand, Canada, Ukraine, Russia, Italy, Taiwan, the Netherlands and Austria.
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Malaysia Airlines has 15 Boeing 777-200s in its fleet of about 100 planes. The state-owned carrier last month reported its fourth straight quarterly loss and warned of tougher times.
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Re: Malaysia 777 Flight MH370 is missing
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2014, 07:22:05 PM »
CNN is reporting that 20 employees from an Austin Texas Based Software Company are reported to have been on the Malaysian Flight that crash on it way to Beijing.



http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/08/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane-missing/index.html


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Twenty of the passengers aboard the flight work with Freescale Semiconductor, a company based in Austin, Texas. The company said that 12 of the employees are from Malaysia and eight are from China.

The news should show up here at some point:
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Re: Malaysia 777 Flight MH370 is missing
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2014, 12:15:09 AM »
Damn Mother Ships!
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Re: Malaysia 777 Flight MH370 is missing
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2014, 05:03:33 PM »

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/09/us-exclusive-probe-plane-idUSBREA280FF20140309
Exclusive: Malaysia plane probe narrows on mid-air disintegration - source
By Siva Govindasamy
KUALA LUMPUR Sun Mar 9, 2014 12:20pm EDT

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"The fact that we are unable to find any debris so far appears to indicate that the aircraft is likely to have disintegrated at around 35,000 feet," said the source, who is involved in the preliminary investigations in Malaysia

If the plane had plunged intact from such a height, breaking up only on impact with the water, search teams would have expected to find a fairly concentrated pattern of debris, said the source, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly on the investigation.
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U.S. and European security officials have however maintained there is no proof yet of foul play and there could be other explanations for the use of stolen passports.
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Re: Malaysia 777 Flight MH370 is missing
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2014, 09:12:05 PM »

 mid-air disintegration


Yep, happens all the time.  ::)
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Re: Malaysia 777 Flight MH370 is missing
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2014, 10:08:49 AM »
Six important facts you're not being told about lost Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
http://www.naturalnews.com/044244_Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_vanished.html


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• Fact #1: All Boeing 777 commercial jets are equipped with black box recorders that can survive any on-board explosion

No explosion from the plane itself can destroy the black box recorders. They are bomb-proof structures that hold digital recordings of cockpit conversations as well as detailed flight data and control surface data.

• Fact #2: All black box recorders transmit locator signals for at least 30 days after falling into the ocean

Yet the black box from this particular incident hasn't been detected at all. That's why investigators are having such trouble finding it. Normally, they only need to "home in" on the black box transmitter signal. But in this case, the absence of a signal means the black box itself -- an object designed to survive powerful explosions -- has either vanished, malfunctioned or been obliterated by some powerful force beyond the worst fears of aircraft design engineers.

• Fact #3: Many parts of destroyed aircraft are naturally bouyant and will float in water

In past cases of aircraft destroyed over the ocean or crashing into the ocean, debris has always been spotted floating on the surface of the water. That's because -- as you may recall from the safety briefing you've learned to ignore -- "your seat cushion may be used as a flotation device."

Yes, seat cushions float. So do many other non-metallic aircraft parts. If Flight 370 was brought down by an explosion of some sort, there would be massive debris floating on the ocean, and that debris would not be difficult to spot. The fact that it has not yet been spotted only adds to the mystery of how Flight 370 appears to have literally vanished from the face of the Earth.

• Fact #4: If a missile destroyed Flight 370, the missile would have left a radar signature

One theory currently circulating on the 'net is that a missile brought down the airliner, somehow blasting the aircraft and all its contents to "smithereens" -- which means very tiny pieces of matter that are undetectable as debris.

The problem with this theory is that there exists no known ground-to-air or air-to-air missile with such a capability. All known missiles generate tremendous debris when they explode on target. Both the missile and the debris produce very large radar signatures which would be easily visible to both military vessels and air traffic authorities.

• Fact #5: The location of the aircraft when it vanished is not a mystery

Air traffic controllers have full details of almost exactly where the aircraft was at the moment it vanished. They know the location, elevation and airspeed -- three pieces of information which can readily be used to estimate the likely location of debris.

Remember: air safety investigators are not stupid people. They've seen mid-air explosions before, and they know how debris falls. There is already a substantial data set of airline explosions and crashes from which investigators can make well-educated guesses about where debris should be found. And yet, even armed with all this experience and information, they remain totally baffled on what happened to Flight 370.

• Fact #6: If Flight 370 was hijacked, it would not have vanished from radar

Hijacking an airplane does not cause it to simply vanish from radar. Even if transponders are disabled on the aircraft, ground radar can still readily track the location of the aircraft using so-called "passive" radar (classic ground-based radar systems that emit a signal and monitor its reflection).
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Re: Malaysia 777 Flight MH370 is missing
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2014, 10:35:43 AM »
Missile downed Malaysia Airlines jet? Follows near miss by North Korean rocket last week
http://www.infowars.com/missile-downed-malaysia-airlines-jet-follows-near-miss-by-north-korean-rocket-last-week/

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TEL AVIV — Just eight days after a terrorist attack in the city of Kunming dubbed “China’s September 11th,” a Malaysia Airlines flight carrying mostly Chinese passengers disappeared over the South China Sea.

While the international probe is in its early stages and questions are being raised about the prospect of terrorism, investigators would be wise to thoroughly examine the possibility of a missile attack in light of recent information about the global proliferation of such projectiles capable of downing civilian airliners.

http://kleinonline.wnd.com/2014/03/09/missile-downed-malaysian-plane-follows-recent-warning-of-nightmare-threat-airliners/

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Further, China has issued a series of warnings about North Korean missiles, including one that crossed paths with a Chinese airliner carrying 220 people just last week.

On Friday, China complained to North Korea when one of its missiles came dangerously close to a civilian jet last Tuesday. The airplane had departed Tokyo’s Narita airport en route to the northeastern Chinese city of Shenyang.

One day earlier, South Korea’s defense ministry released a statement saying the Chinese civilian plane had “passed as the ballistic missile (from North Korea) was in the course of descending.”
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Re: Malaysia 777 Flight MH370 is missing
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2014, 10:54:50 AM »
if North Korea downed the plane why are they afraid to move against them? Planes just don't disappear. More likely a missile hit it at 40k feet in the air or several bombs were onboard which detonated at the same time at various sections of the plane. Or a simple hijacking where the plane was redirected to another airport.

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Re: Malaysia 777 Flight MH370 is missing
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2014, 03:34:48 PM »
Interesting after this time - all the MSM are avoiding the Muslim Terror against China connection - no that couldn't be it - not after the attack just a week ago by crazy men murdering innocents with knives  on 3/1....

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Knife-wielding mob kills 27 at China train station, Kunming train station knife attack leaves 27 dead and more than 100 injured , At least 27 people were killed and 109 wounded when a group of people armed with knives stormed a railway station in the southwest Chinese city of Kunming, authorities said, according to state news agency Xinhua.

It was an organized, premeditated terrorist attack, authorities told the news agency. No motive has been provided.

Yang Haifei, a resident of Yunnan, told Xinhua he was buying a ticket when a group of people, most of them in black, rushed into the station and started attacking others.

"I saw a person come straight at me with a long knife and I ran away with everyone," he said, adding that people who were slower were severely injured. "They just fell on the ground."

He said he sustained injuries to his chest and back.

The news agency reported that several suspects had been apprehended, and questioning at the site continues.

Doctors were seen transporting injured people to a hospital, the news agency reported.

A doctor with the Kunming No.1 People's Hospital told Xinhua over the phone they're not sure of the number of casualties. Xinhu said the Kunming Railway Station is one of the largest stations in southwest China.

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Re: Malaysia 777 Flight MH370 is missing
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2014, 03:59:29 PM »
 This airliner was not on radar, no communications prior to the disaster, no scheduled flight flight path.
Blip, it simply went off the radar?
 If this plane hit the water  there would be debris, if it was blown up at the flight altitude it would have to have been disintegrated, pulverized.          * Just an opinion.
  Creepy, anyone else smell a rat?
 

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« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2014, 04:18:30 PM »
Oh - if it does turn out to be a terrorist act - then the NSA failed AGAIN.
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« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2014, 04:59:09 PM »
This airliner was not on radar, no communications prior to the disaster, no scheduled flight flight path.
Blip, it simply went off the radar?
 If this plane hit the water  there would be debris, if it was blown up at the flight altitude it would have to have been disintegrated, pulverized.          * Just an opinion.
  Creepy, anyone else smell a rat?
 

Yes! Sir! I do smell a LOT of RATS [maggot Nazis']; this may be a 'DEATH RAY' Weapon that 'evaporates' all material into the atmosphere?

 Stage stuff indeed: and this is Earth!
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« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2014, 05:23:17 PM »
I'd take a wild guess that it is Fly By Wire to blame, and they never ever admit that. Even when the plane ploughs into the wood at the end of the runway at an airshow, they still tried to claim it was pilot error rather than admit the computer over-rode the pilot and crashed the plane.


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« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2014, 05:35:32 PM »
I'd take a wild guess that it is Fly By Wire to blame, and they never ever admit that. Even when the plane ploughs into the wood at the end of the runway at an airshow, they still tried to claim it was pilot error rather than admit the computer over-rode the pilot and crashed the plane.

Yes - they are already talking about how if the jet flew/fell into the ocean there would be little footprint....


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A half hour out of New York the pilot left the cockpit to go to the toilet. A voice, in English, is heard on the voice recorder saying "Control it." --then the plane begins flying counter to the auto-pilot. The co-pilot turns off the auto-pilot in an attempt to regain control of the plane. The plane then goes into a dive.

The co-pilot is heard calling on Allah for help. The pilot returns 16 seconds into the dive, shouting, "What's happening?" Both work to pull up the nose. The engine goes full throttle. The co-pilot cuts the fuel lines. The right and left elevators move in opposite directions. The ailerons on both wings move full up. The pilot orders "Shut engines." The co-pilot replies: "They're shut." The last words are of the pilot saying in Arabic "Pull! Pull! Pull!" Suddenly the voice recorder is simply shut off, just like in Flight 587. The remote-control crash-jacker had heard enough to know that his mission had succeeded.
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« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2014, 07:23:21 PM »
http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2014/03/10/malaysian-airlines-missing-passengers-cell-phones-ringing-raises-hijack-concerns/

It is being reported today, March 9, by the Singapore press in The Sunday Times that a Chinese family has successfully dialed and rang the mobile cell phone of a passenger on board the Malaysia Airlines plane MH370.

This story has been followed by several other accounts of the same scenario withing different families. The Boeing 777 jumbo jet is still missing with no wreckage debris anywhere to be found.

Today, the brother of a man who is listed on the missing airplane’s manifest demonstrated for Chinese television that he could dial his sibling’s mobile phone, which was with him on the plane, and that the call was connected and rang several times indicating the phone is working, turned on and able to be answered somewhere. This family and many others are angry and urging government agencies to trace the ringing cell phone, before the batteries runs out, to find the missing plane and passengers, as they could have landed covertly on dry land and are being held captive by terrorists or other possible entities.

While news agencies around the world are focused on very few details surrounding the alleged unexplained oil slick in the China Sea and the search and recover efforts there, no official outlets are discussing the possibility that the plane has landed undetected somewhere on land. The fuel found on the ocean could have been anything such as a fuel dump. If the plane actually exploded in air, wouldn’t the fuel have been burned up? Wouldn’t a satellite somewhere have picked up the fiery display? Many agencies have now begun to use the term “vanished” or even “disintegrated” to describe the lost airline jet.

Oddly, there is no word yet on any government agency action to search out possible landing strips, where the plane could have landed and received refuge and concealment. This theory holds more weight the longer the search efforts come up empty handed. Several reports that a possible airplane door was found in the ocean near the plane’s path have been squelched after the U.S. search team confirmed the floating debris was not related to the Malaysian flight MH370.

At this stage of the unbelievable vanishing airplane story, many on social media are even suggesting that the plane has been intercepted by a visiting alien UFO or transported to another world via an outer space wormhole. However, as we hear many times in life, anything is possible. This could in fact be some sort of alien abduction. Whatever the answer is to the plane’s current whereabouts or fate, there must be a serious link to its disappearance and those 4 suspect passengers who used stolen passports to board the aircraft. We hope more shall be revealed soon, but until then, we suspect the plane is intact somewhere and the passengers alive.

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« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2014, 07:33:02 PM »
At this stage of the unbelievable vanishing airplane story, many on social media are even suggesting that the plane has been intercepted by a visiting alien UFO or transported to another world via an outer space wormhole. However, as we hear many times in life, anything is possible. This could in fact be some sort of alien abduction. Whatever the answer is to the plane’s current whereabouts or fate, there must be a serious link to its disappearance and those 4 suspect passengers who used stolen passports to board the aircraft. We hope more shall be revealed soon, but until then, we suspect the plane is intact somewhere and the passengers alive.

And if you think this BS is correct you need to go and see a Dr .

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« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2014, 08:13:58 PM »
The article was copied for what it was.  If you don't agree, fine but don't be an idiot about it.   >:(

I happen to think it is possible for someone on the ground to take control of the plane, turn off all communications and steering the plane to some place like North Korea or even Vietnam.  Can't imagine anyone being that smart in those countries but who knows what happened.  Just conjectures. 

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« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2014, 08:30:24 PM »
Hey lee51 thanks for calling me an idiot (I have been called a lot worse ) my point was it is highly unlikely the plane has been ubducted by aliens - cues the the ET theme music  ;)

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« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2014, 09:18:59 PM »
 You guys know a heck of a lot more about GPS, high tech etc than I do, that said, can't the phone be traced.
 Or will it be said the owner of the cell phone lost it at the airport- point of embarkation.
 

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« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2014, 09:22:43 PM »
or as there even a flight at all!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2014, 09:38:47 PM »

Guys please give it a rest this plane either had a major pilot error and  onboard fail or an outside hit .ET Dave Icke and his reptilian mates had nothing to do with it .

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« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2014, 10:44:02 PM »
At this stage of the unbelievable vanishing airplane story, many on social media are even suggesting that the plane has been intercepted by a visiting alien UFO or transported to another world via an outer space wormhole. However, as we hear many times in life, anything is possible. This could in fact be some sort of alien abduction. Whatever the answer is to the plane’s current whereabouts or fate, there must be a serious link to its disappearance and those 4 suspect passengers who used stolen passports to board the aircraft. We hope more shall be revealed soon, but until then, we suspect the plane is intact somewhere and the passengers alive.

And if you think this BS is correct you need to go and see a Dr .
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« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2014, 10:48:31 PM »
Guys please give it a rest this plane either had a major pilot error and  onboard fail or an outside hit .ET Dave Icke and his reptilian mates had nothing to do with it .
Just for you.
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« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2014, 11:05:18 PM »
Just for you.
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sure thing JohnBFTOR but i bet at the end of the day its going to be pilot and or aircraft fail or outside hit not the bs chat is going about

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« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2014, 11:12:19 PM »
sure thing JohnBFTOR but i bet at the end of the day its going to be pilot and or aircraft fail or outside hit not the bs chat is going about

... at the end of the day it's going to be human caused climate change.  ;)
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« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2014, 11:23:08 PM »
Irony dont get me started on the whole human global warming BS agenda or I will be  off on a major rant  :D

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« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2014, 11:49:33 PM »
Irony dont get me started on the whole human global warming BS agenda or I will be  off on a major rant  :D

Aircraft would not just disappear, via 'evaporation' , if you people would just stop breathing and pay Richard Branson his carbon tax credits!
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« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2014, 01:12:51 AM »
My hunch is that something was sucked off the Boeing 777-200 (Possibly a door) or broke off.

A wing on the plane was damaged after a minor collision with another aircraft previously, and was repaired and cleared by Boeing, Ahmad Jauhari said yesterday without specifying when it happened.”

FROM: Plane-Debris Hunters Seek Suspected Aircraft Window Part http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-10/plane-debris-hunters-seek-suspected-aircraft-window-part.html

First wait till they find it and I am sure they will because Boeing definitely wants to know what happened so they won’t give up.

They give up searching for persons floating around earlier than they will in these cases is my experience because of the money involved, as usual.
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« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2014, 09:57:42 AM »
Malaysia military tracked missing plane to west coast: source

By Niluksi Koswanage and Eveline Danubrata

KUALA LUMPUR Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:52am EDT

(Reuters) - Malaysia's military believes a jetliner missing for almost four days turned and flew hundreds of kilometers to the west after it last made contact with civilian air traffic control off the country's east coast, a senior officer told Reuters on Tuesday.

In one of the most baffling mysteries in recent aviation history, a massive search operation for the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER has so far found no trace of the aircraft or the 239 passengers and crew.

Malaysian authorities have previously said flight MH370 disappeared about an hour after it took off from Kuala Lumpur for the Chinese capital Beijing.

"It changed course after Kota Bharu and took a lower altitude. It made it into the Malacca Strait," the senior military officer, who has been briefed on investigations, told Reuters.

That would appear to rule out sudden catastrophic mechanical failure, as it would mean the plane flew around 500 km (350 miles) at least after its last contact with air traffic control, although its transponder and other tracking systems were off.

A non-military source familiar with the investigations said the report was one of several theories and was being checked.

More: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/11/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140311
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« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2014, 10:37:27 AM »
HERE'S A THEORY JUST AS GOOD AS ANY.  


The timing of the 'disappeared' commercial jet is right on with the threat of WWIII.  Maybe some government wanted to make a point by sending to other governments high res satellite video of the aircraft being 'evaporated by THEIR space based weapon.

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« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2014, 11:02:17 AM »
The story they've been selling us is total BS. Even though the transponder is off they can still track the plane using primary radar and have been doing so since WWII. The media is purposely conflating the radio transponder (Secondary surveillance radar) based systems with Radar (Radio Detection And Ranging), they are two different things.

There are two types of radar, one relies on the plane transmitting a radio signal and the second is a passive system where they can track large metal objects such as planes and missiles. Obviously the plane turned off the transponder but most governments can see where the plane went using non-transponder based systems.

What you'll never hear is the media asking if any militaries were able to track the plane. Why? Because they're covering for something.

They've been putting out disinfo since the beginning, the oil slick story was BULL, the people missing their flight story was BULL and the plane door being found was BULL.


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« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2014, 11:13:43 AM »
This is like the media saying state troopers can't catch speeders when your cellphone is off.

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« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2014, 11:21:26 AM »
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2578020/Why-cellphones-missing-Malaysian-Airlines-passengers-ringing-Family-members-claim-loved-ones-smartphones-active.html

Go to the link I posted. It's the Daily Mail. They have a picture of the two passengers that supposedly flew with stolen passports. Why would the legs of one of them be photoshopped onto the other?

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« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2014, 11:36:37 AM »
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2578020/Why-cellphones-missing-Malaysian-Airlines-passengers-ringing-Family-members-claim-loved-ones-smartphones-active.html

Go to the link I posted. It's the Daily Mail. They have a picture of the two passengers that supposedly flew with stolen passports. Why would the legs of one of them be photoshopped onto the other?



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« Reply #39 on: March 11, 2014, 11:54:56 AM »
'curiouser and curiouser' said Alice.