Where can I run away to instead of fighting for liberty?

[Kregener]

The point about 'running away', is that the NWO will eventually catch up to you anyway.

"Don't run, you will just die tired and far away..."

[dogmadestroyer]

A change of venue isn't necessarily a bad thing so long as you keep talking, learning, teaching, fighting against all of this. I really see nothing wrong with leaving if you're off to find a place where the people aren't so braindead. I'm capable of moving where it is expedient but I'm not capable of shutting my mouth to anyone who will listen or stopping activism on my part.

That isn't treason, think of how many of the West German leaders were people who hid in places like occupied Norway, deserted the army, and came back after the war.

[realitycheck101]

Sorry people but norway, Sweedon, England, France etc etc, will NOT protect you, besides their leaders are ALL part of this..In fact they carried the torch until it was handed over to America to continue..

The French literally and figuerativly hand the TORCH (Statue of liberty) to America.  This is so MASONIC it is not even funny.

Oh for those who do not already know..The Statue of Liberty is actually a DUDE! Only from a distance does it look like a woman.  EVERYTHING about him/IT, represents the NWO cabal and its masters the FREE MASONS.

The real problem mst on this forum and others face is that you all do NOT want to really hear what the ONLY and REAL solution is.  You all love this world no matter what country you are in.

You want so much to beleive that it can be fixed, now while I admire your hope, it does not change reality or the FACTS.

Grabing your guns and dying to try and save a sinking ship, which is full of holes, won't save the ship.  Instead all we will have is a bunch of dead bodies and a ship at the bottom of the ocean.

The fact is, the REAL solution is FREE but requires you to give up the world.  The false hope which is continually sold is profitable for those selling it, but solves NOTHING!

[dogmadestroyer]

Sorry people but norway, Sweedon, England, France etc etc, will NOT protect you, besides their leaders are ALL part of this..In fact they carried the torch until it was handed over to America to continue..

I think pretty much everyone here is aware of that. However, you do not know what the future brings and some areas will be better/worse than other areas. Especially with the US being the bad cop their can be a call to give asylum to US protesters in some countries. It doesn't mean you're home free by any means but it is similar to how Washington led the army in the revolution. He basically knew how to retreat and used the strategy well. I see this as nothing different if things get so bad here or if interesting opportunities arise elsewhere.... I'm not holding my breath either. This is just a point that leaving the US is not treason.

[realitycheck101]

I think pretty much everyone here is aware of that. However, you do not know what the future brings and some areas will be better/worse than other areas. Especially with the US being the bad cop their can be a call to give asylum to US protesters in some countries. It doesn't mean you're home free by any means but it is similar to how Washington led the army in the revolution. He basically knew how to retreat and used the strategy well. I see this as nothing different if things get so bad here or if interesting opportunities arise elsewhere.... I'm not holding my breath either. This is just a point that leaving the US is not treason.

I do not think leaving is treason either.  I just think it is fruitless.

[mickswann]

Only the elites can afford to move anyway.
Cheney, the Bushes, Spielberg, Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt, they're all buying their palaces in Dubai.
They plan to hide there while the rest of us are "reduced" by their pandemic.
I plan to head there and wander the streets coughing in their faces.

[White Rose Sophie]

I do not think leaving is treason either.  I just think it is fruitless.

I agree.  THIS (the U.S.) is where the biggest battle will be fought - why?  Because we are one of the few (if any) major population centers in the world that STILL have the right to bear arms.  In most other countries (someone correct me if I'm wrong) - the populace has GIVEN up that right already.  So they cannot defend themselves against tyranny.

Which is why you see so many "shootings" going on.....it's to create the perception amongst the people that 'guns' are wrong and dangerous.  And only belong in the hands of the police/military.

[mickswann]

That's what happened here in the UK.
There were too events, first Michael Ryan who went on the rampage in Hungerford in 1987, which lead to a ban on automatic weapons. Then, in 1996, Thomas Hamilton killed 16 primary school children, which lead to a ban on handguns.
In both cases the real issue was that the men's psychological reviews were never submitted. In the Hamilton case there were allegations that Lord Robertson, a mason, helped him get the license.
Both massacres were cynically exploited by the gun control lobby.
Since the handgun ban the number of shootings in the UK has increased by 720%.

To paraphrase the old cliche, when guns are criminalised, only criminals will have guns.

In the UK sportsmen cannot own legal handguns...you have to buy them illegally from inner-city teenagers if you want one.

The law, as Mr Dickens once observed, is an ass!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/august/19/newsid_2534000/2534669.stm
http://freemasonrywatch.org/dunblaine.html

[70983]

Ya know, you're going to have to form a large organization of people in order to be successful in a war like this.  With h.r. 1955 I doubt any of these would be successful. 

So if you can think of an idea that doesn't involve getting carpet bombed, do tell..

Yes, the chances of us winning are slim, but the same can be said for the American Revolution of our forefathers.  Alex has said on air many times that most of us will probably die, if not for a miracle.

[37]

That's what happened here in the UK.
There were too events, first Michael Ryan who went on the rampage in Hungerford in 1987, which lead to a ban on automatic weapons. Then, in 1996, Thomas Hamilton killed 16 primary school children, which lead to a ban on handguns.
In both cases the real issue was that the men's psychological reviews were never submitted. In the Hamilton case there were allegations that Lord Robertson, a mason, helped him get the license.
Both massacres were cynically exploited by the gun control lobby.
Since the handgun ban the number of shootings in the UK has increased by 720%.

To paraphrase the old cliche, when guns are criminalised, only criminals will have guns.

In the UK sportsmen cannot own legal handguns...you have to buy them illegally from inner-city teenagers if you want one.

The law, as Mr Dickens once observed, is an ass!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/august/19/newsid_2534000/2534669.stm
http://freemasonrywatch.org/dunblaine.html

720% is that accurate?  Great Dickens quote!  

[mickswann]

I think the actual figure is 717%.
Previously most shootings were rural accidents.
Now its just part and parcel of life in the inner city.

I'll find the link for the report.

[37]

I think the actual figure is 717%.
Previously most shootings were rural accidents.
Now its just part and parcel of life in the inner city.

I'll find the link for the report.

That's incredible!  I was hoping you had forgotten a decimal, or something.  I would like to spread that info if you can find a link...I did a search but couldn't find any handgun stats.  I'll keep looking...

[phigsy]

That's what happened here in the UK.
There were too events, first Michael Ryan who went on the rampage in Hungerford in 1987, which lead to a ban on automatic weapons. Then, in 1996, Thomas Hamilton killed 16 primary school children, which lead to a ban on handguns.
In both cases the real issue was that the men's psychological reviews were never submitted. In the Hamilton case there were allegations that Lord Robertson, a mason, helped him get the license.
Both massacres were cynically exploited by the gun control lobby.
Since the handgun ban the number of shootings in the UK has increased by 720%.

To paraphrase the old cliche, when guns are criminalised, only criminals will have guns.

In the UK sportsmen cannot own legal handguns...you have to buy them illegally from inner-city teenagers if you want one.

The law, as Mr Dickens once observed, is an ass!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/august/19/newsid_2534000/2534669.stm
http://freemasonrywatch.org/dunblaine.html

Its actually getting quite laughable over here (UK), the extent to which the authorities are desperately running around trying to find some form of 'weapon' that hasn't yet been made illegal. The front of my local paper this evening showed a stern-faced cop and trading standards officer holding up a blatantly toy gun that they'd confiscated in a series of daring swoops on everyday shops, an operation they'd given its own codename - 'Peregrine'. Golly how exciting! Forget the fact that this initiative to "rid the streets of guns" has had no effect whatever on the availability of real guns available to criminal gangs. Not sure if that figure of 720% is right or not but it wouldn't surprise me. Of course they'll tell you its about reducing the fear of gun crime, but in reality its simply another method of controlling (and criminalising) everything you say & do.

Here's the link to the actual story: http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/NEWSW01.html

[mickswann]

I used to be what the media called a "new age traveller". I thought the persecution we experienced under the Tories was as bad as it could get, but every day gets worse.
And there is, as has been said, nowhere to run.
I despair I really do. I lose sleep over it.
Even where I am, in the most remote part of the highlands, it is still appalling. Just how much oppression will people take before they fight back?

PS I'm having trouble finding those stats, they appear to have vanished. I will persevere.

[White Rose Sophie]

And there is, as has been said, nowhere to run.
I despair I really do. I lose sleep over it.
Even where I am, in the most remote part of the highlands, it is still appalling. Just how much oppression will people take before they fight back?

Do not despair.  Never despair.  Then....THEY win.

"It may be small, it may be fragile, but In that one inch, we are free". (V for Vendetta)

[tokeafatj]

that's it, im packing my bags...any suggestions on a country i should go to??

And here's where it tells me ron paul needs to drop the republican banner. 1819 Caricature by Briton George Cruikshank. Titled "The Radical's Arms", it depicts the infamous guillotine. "No God! No Religion! No King! No Constitution!" is written in the republican banner. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cruikshank_-_The_Radical%27s_Arms.png   Look on the globe in the wiki link to find a safe spot on earth.SATAN IS HIDING BEHIND THE BURNING GLOBE!!!!!

[mickswann]

Do not despair.  Never despair.  Then....THEY win.

"It may be small, it may be fragile, but In that one inch, we are free". (V for Vendetta)

I went to see that film at the cinema.
Imagine the scene.
It was a Saturday night in Thurso, the cinema was full and, when parliament was blown up, there was a cheer from the entire audience that shook the rafters.
Pretty much everyone who moves up here does so because they want more freedom and it is the freest part of the UK, mainly because its so remote. I'm 32 miles from the nearest town.
But, even here its creeping up on us.
They keep trying to put speed cameras up here, but they seem to mysteriously catch fire.

[White Rose Sophie]

I went to see that film at the cinema.
Imagine the scene.
It was a Saturday night in Thurso, the cinema was full and, when parliament was blown up, there was a cheer from the entire audience that shook the rafters.
Pretty much everyone who moves up here does so because they want more freedom and it is the freest part of the UK, mainly because its so remote. I'm 32 miles from the nearest town.
But, even here its creeping up on us.
They keep trying to put speed cameras up here, but they seem to mysteriously catch fire.

  Love the spontaneously combusting speed cameras. .....

Are you trying to tell me that you only saw it ONCE?  Dude - I saw it 8 times!!!!!  Figured I'd support it as much as I could..............a friend of mine in Aberdeen said that it was only in the theatres there for a week or so and he had to scramble to find one showing it!

When I saw it the first time, it was a theatre packed out with high-schoolers...and they ALL stood up and cheered at the end.  I guess I'm just immature for my age cos I did too. 

[mickswann]

Love the spontaneously combusting speed cameras. .....

Are you trying to tell me that you only saw it ONCE?  Dude - I saw it 8 times!!!!!  Figured I'd support it as much as I could..............a friend of mine in Aberdeen said that it was only in the theatres there for a week or so and he had to scramble to find one showing it!

When I saw it the first time, it was a theatre packed out with high-schoolers...and they ALL stood up and cheered at the end.  I guess I'm just immature for my age cos I did too. 

I downloaded it and I've seen it a few times, its still quite tame in comparison to the original.
Now that I think about it, I was about 14 when I read it in 'Warrior', I think that it had quite an effect on me, especially living under the Thatcher regime at the time.

[chilicooker]

Hitler - Dead
Stalin - Dead
Nixon - Dead
Crowley - Dead
LBJ - Dead

Yea, but they all died of old age. (Probably Hitler too.) That's the part of history that should be learned and not repeated.

For the original poster, run to your your nearest cemetery, find a freshly dug 4x8x6 foot hole and jump in. They'll NEVER find you there!!!!!!!!!!

Everyone should watch George Carlin's latest HBO special. About 1:03 into his usual brilliant insights on reality, he talks about the Bill of Rights. Watch it, then get a grip. 

[chinajim]

I was planning to move to Guam and teach school it far enough off the beaten path to be left alone and the Chimarro people fought against the Japanese elite Manchurian troops. I know that anyone reading this will say but aren't there three military bases on the island? Yes that is true but they are naval bases and sailors are a independent thinking lot so if something goes to hell in a hand basket i don't think the Co's of the bases may go along with whats  going to happen

[lord edward coke]

I went to see that film at the cinema.
Imagine the scene.
It was a Saturday night in Thurso, the cinema was full and, when parliament was blown up, there was a cheer from the entire audience that shook the rafters.
Pretty much everyone who moves up here does so because they want more freedom and it is the freest part of the UK, mainly because its so remote. I'm 32 miles from the nearest town.
But, even here its creeping up on us.
They keep trying to put speed cameras up here, but they seem to mysteriously catch fire.

  sabatour.   but they have unlimited funds no?  also watchout for a camera watching the speedcam.what other sabotage goes down there?

[smokecheck]

 OATH OF THE FREEDOM FIGHTER by James Stuart Kelley :

"Upon My Sacred Honor I Shall Fight To The Death To Remain Free.
No One Shall Govern Me I Shall Submit To No Authority There Is No Question In This Matter.
I Shall Always Refuse To Obey I Shall Face My Enemy Squarely When He Attacks.
I Shall Counter-Attack When He Rests.
I Shall Press The Battle And When The Time Comes That I Face My Final Departure I Shall Take My Enemy With Me For He Is A Creature Without Mercy And He Deserves None."

[Gruntled Employee]

You can hide in the world of warcraft....or with the right medication, your own mind...other than that good luck.

[Sylvester Syndrome]

Sorry people but norway, Sweedon, England, France etc etc, will NOT protect you, besides their leaders are ALL part of this..In fact they carried the torch until it was handed over to America to continue..

The French literally and figuerativly hand the TORCH (Statue of liberty) to America.  This is so MASONIC it is not even funny.

Oh for those who do not already know..The Statue of Liberty is actually a DUDE! Only from a distance does it look like a woman.  EVERYTHING about him/IT, represents the NWO cabal and its masters the FREE MASONS.

The real problem mst on this forum and others face is that you all do NOT want to really hear what the ONLY and REAL solution is.  You all love this world no matter what country you are in.

You want so much to beleive that it can be fixed, now while I admire your hope, it does not change reality or the FACTS.

Grabing your guns and dying to try and save a sinking ship, which is full of holes, won't save the ship.  Instead all we will have is a bunch of dead bodies and a ship at the bottom of the ocean.

The fact is, the REAL solution is FREE but requires you to give up the world.  The false hope which is continually sold is profitable for those selling it, but solves NOTHING!

Very true. Did you know that during WW2, one million of the French public wrote, between them, 3 million letters to the Nazi SS, indicating where the French Jews were either resident, in hiding or planning to run to. Thus the Purge of French Jews out to the death camps and concentration camps was most effective, as everywhere else.

Still, I lived in France as a 'voluntary' Socio-Political-economic refugee during the 1980's (a decade that did not suit me at all well). I've never had before or since so much fun, and had so many friends. I wouldn't worry. If FEMA camp is looking likely, I mean verifiably so, just pack your bags and F**K off, and get out of USA.

There is the great wilderness of Canada just over the border you know, or have you been told that they are cannibals?

PS. It's Sweden not Sweedon. 

"US out of USA!"