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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #80 on: February 13, 2014, 04:01:07 AM »
Not Being married isn't 'strange.'

Actually it's way beyond just not being strange.

It's literally a social norm, and has been for years...

     http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/26/us/26marry.html?_r=0

     http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/living-single/201009/americans-just-want-be-single

Why are men in particular avoiding marriage? You could easily write a book trying to answer that question.

In fact, someone already has...

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #81 on: February 13, 2014, 04:28:14 AM »
Actually it's way beyond just not being strange.

It's literally a social norm, and has been for years...

     http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/26/us/26marry.html?_r=0

     http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/living-single/201009/americans-just-want-be-single

Why are men in particular avoiding marriage? You could easily write a book trying to answer that question.

In fact, someone already has...

     http://www.huffingtonpost.com/helen-smith/8-reasons-men-dont-want-t_b_3467778.html
Yes not being married isn't strange in our day; and it is considered normal: And this dysfunctional system started in the 1960's and 70's. Feminism had a lot to do with this trend. I personal think this is a national tragedy.

For some people marriage just is not in the cards: But we need strong commitments by Men and Women to continue an age old tradition of Marriage; which in turn creates families: which have been the backbone of our society.
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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #82 on: February 14, 2014, 03:16:10 PM »
Yes not being married isn't strange in our day; and it is considered normal: And this dysfunctional system started in the 1960's and 70's. Feminism had a lot to do with this trend. I personal think this is a national tragedy.

For some people marriage just is not in the cards: But we need strong commitments by Men and Women to continue an age old tradition of Marriage; which in turn creates families: which have been the backbone of our society.

Well, if many young men fail to marry this is what you will get:

1) More women seriously considering lesbian relationships.  Note, the number of under-30 women identifying as bi-sexual has skyrocketed in recent years.

2)  Polygamy?  Who do you think is watching all those polygamy reality shows on TV? SOmething to consider for conservatives?

3) Polyandry?  Media just beginning to pick up on this form of group marriage where maybe two men and three women live in a big house, share with each other sexually and raise the kids together. Something to consider for liberals?

4)  Women remaining single and opting for sperm banks. 

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #83 on: February 14, 2014, 04:41:35 PM »
Not Being married isn't 'strange.' For some folks it just doesn't work. An old saying is 'there is someone for everyone' if you are looking!

Your line: "There are just some people who have no business being parents" is Very True and I know many; and it is sad and tragic.

I give Alex kudos for going after corrupt DCF (Dept. Children and Family) workers, however I would no sooner shut down their department as I would shut down the police department.

In fact I am surprised that alimony enforcement isn't more more prioritized.  These people who have kids should be forced to work to pay someone else to collect gov't benefits to raise their kids for them if they are incapeable.  Record levels of grandparents are raising kids these days.  My question is if these grand-parents did such a rotten job with their kids ?  Then why would the state permit them to raise their grand-kids ?

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #84 on: February 14, 2014, 04:47:42 PM »
Actually it's way beyond just not being strange.

In fact, someone already has...

     http://www.huffingtonpost.com/helen-smith/8-reasons-men-dont-want-t_b_3467778.html

She is leaving out 1 very important reason.

Men don't want to have to raise an American wife/girlfriend like they would have to with a child.

This is why the mail order bride business is booming cuz foreign women know how to be responsible people.  Too often men have to teach women how to manage money, clean the house, and take care of the basics.

This is why so many kids are joining gangs and ending up in jail, cuz mommy is a child herself and daddy is either gone or too busy working trying to pay all the bills.

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #85 on: February 14, 2014, 04:53:22 PM »
I give Alex kudos for going after corrupt DCF (Dept. Children and Family) workers, however I would no sooner shut down their department as I would shut down the police department.

In fact I am surprised that alimony enforcement isn't more more prioritized.  These people who have kids should be forced to work to pay someone else to collect gov't benefits to raise their kids for them if they are incapeable.  Record levels of grandparents are raising kids these days.  My question is if these grand-parents did such a rotten job with their kids ?  Then why would the state permit them to raise their grand-kids ?
I am with you my friend; the DFC is a Nazi Program.

When I was young [24 yrs. old] my son was born, and I grew up in a hurry!

Today people can not seem to GROW UP and RAISE their Children! ( the Grandparent thing)

Grandparents are good teachers: I have three and they call me "Corn Pops" the man of stories!
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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #86 on: February 14, 2014, 05:13:20 PM »
Well, if many young men fail to marry this is what you will get:

1) More women seriously considering lesbian relationships.  Note, the number of under-30 women identifying as bi-sexual has skyrocketed in recent years.

2)  Polygamy?  Who do you think is watching all those polygamy reality shows on TV? SOmething to consider for conservatives?

3) Polyandry?  Media just beginning to pick up on this form of group marriage where maybe two men and three women live in a big house, share with each other sexually and raise the kids together. Something to consider for liberals?

4)  Women remaining single and opting for sperm banks. 
You have misunderstood my comment.

 My son is happily married and so is my daughter: their lives are blessed by the union of one Man with One Woman.

GOD has a mate for all of us:

 "Ask, and it shall be given you: seek, and ye shall find: knock, and it shall open unto thee.
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Matthew 7:7

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #87 on: February 15, 2014, 02:35:22 PM »
I give Alex kudos for going after corrupt DCF (Dept. Children and Family) workers, however I would no sooner shut down their department as I would shut down the police department.

In fact I am surprised that alimony enforcement isn't more more prioritized.  These people who have kids should be forced to work to pay someone else to collect gov't benefits to raise their kids for them if they are incapeable.  Record levels of grandparents are raising kids these days.  My question is if these grand-parents did such a rotten job with their kids ?  Then why would the state permit them to raise their grand-kids ?

If America replaced its family law policies with those of Sweden for instance then two equally good people who get divorced would get joint custody.  The US law that gives preference to women when small kids are concerned is as wrong as the Islamic practice of the man automatically getting the kids even if he institutes the divorce.

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« Reply #88 on: February 15, 2014, 06:20:23 PM »
Don't believe me. Look it up yourself!

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #89 on: February 15, 2014, 06:26:39 PM »
Feminism had allot to do with breaking up the family and also the family courts and the welfare system helped.The  family court system is against the man,and most men not only feel this way,also most men don't want to have children because of it and the women can use to court system to only destroy the men but also take his children away for him and make him pay child support.And if you proof of this then look no further then black community.  

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #90 on: February 15, 2014, 07:52:29 PM »
A young woman in Miami chimes in. Follow up article is her response to advice given after the first article.

Straight Girl Adrift in a Gay Society
February 12, 2014
by Yara
(henrymakow.com)

I am a 26-years-old female and I can identify with everything Wendy's saying.

To start with, it's getting harder and harder to be in a real relationship in the current modern environment. I am not a very modern woman nor do I want to be. I'm terrified of casual sex, drinking until I lose my consciousness, doing drugs, meeting with strangers and I despise competition and revealing clothing.



I moved 11-years ago to Florida, Miami and this is absolutely the worst place to be a woman. I want you to take a hard look at the HIV map of Florida and Miami. We are number one for HIV rates in the whole country. In 2012, 1.2 per cent of the Dade County population was HIV positive.

Coincidentally the number of homosexuals is also high. Apparently any area where gay sex is taking place, diseases rates go up and this also affects straight people.

Women dress provocatively and most men of course do not respect women and do not want anything serious with us. Most women are bi and men that look straight can be secretly bi or secretly gay; it's a surprise box.

Dating and relationships are a joke; my only relationship lasted less than a month and the guy did not even wanted to drive to my house and he was lazy.

Everything is backwards, nobody cares about anything other than money. I have only one friend as a consequence, and suffer in silence because I am not "The money-hungry career bitch" that is required to be successful.

I was teased at my last job for being a virgin, made fun of and discarded. I did not grow up in the United States and my parents expect me to live up to the American dream fantasy.

I don't want to and it causes problems for sure. Disease got me by surprise. I developed a thyroid condition and most recently a heart condition and I don't want to be here no more but I feel it's the same everywhere you go.

The independent women concept is highly strange as we are required to be alone at all times, live alone, dine alone, sleep alone. Don't need anybody; just be super women yet research shows it is unhealthy to live alone. What should I do?

It seems women of my kind are not appreciated anymore and you have to be aggressive to get somewhere but I want to be a lady.

I'm already diseased and don't have the energy and will to do anything about it. I don't care about money or material stuff and many jobs do not satisfy me at all. What should I do?

http://henrymakow.com/2014/02/straight-woman-adrift-in-a-gay.html



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February 15, 2014


I wish people would stop recommending churches and New Age practices when the real problem is not me but Miami. Crime and HIV rates are high; so are assaults and unemployment.

by Yara
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Although I asked for advice, I also wanted to show the effects of HIV infections rates in Florida. When unnatural acts are out of control, I'm made to be the one with the problem and who must adapt to the chaos.

I'm not asking what's wrong with me. I asking you to be honest and know that HIV and other sexual diseases are being spread like wildfire. When my time comes to choose a partner, I'm worried because you never know which past partners were there.



I am not affected by the presence of gay people themselves but the results of their actions. Violence is higher in homosexual couples; so is children abuse by homosexual couples. There's just no denying the statistics here. Children of homosexual parents (LM and GF):

-Are much more likely to have received welfare (IBF 17%; LM 69%; GF 57%)
-Have lower educational attainment
-Report less safety and security in their family of origin
-Report more ongoing "negative impact" from their family of origin
-Are more likely to suffer from depression
-Have been arrested more often
-If they are female, have had more sexual partners--both male and female
-Are an astonishing 10 times more likely to have been "touched sexually by a parent or other adult caregiver."
-Are nearly 4 times as likely to have been "physically forced" to have sex against their will
-Are more likely to have "attachment" problems related to the ability to depend on others
-Use marijuana more frequently
-Smoke more frequently
-Watch TV for long periods more frequently
-Plead guilty more often to a non-minor offenses

UNNATURAL SEX

Anal sex is very unhealthy. Doctors will tell you that the vagina is very different from the anus and of course not made for sex.

Penetration of the anus by a penis can lead to tearing of rectal tissue, bleeding and infection. Because the anus is full of bacteria, anal intercourse spreads the human papillovirus and can result in anal warts, anal cancer, HIV and other diseases. It can also result in bowel incontinence. When anal sex is combined with oral contact, disease is even more likely. Yet despite these concerns, about 90 percent of male homosexuals participate in anal intercourse. Condoms can offer some protection, but they aren't foolproof. Anal sex is high-risk behavior.

Just as in Wendy's story, many straight men are now influenced by porn and desire anal sex which is also painful and make women despise them sometimes for asking such things.



DESPISE NEW AGE

I don't believe in chakras. There's no evidence.  In fact, I have grown the despise new age message and its mindgames. Whatever energy is in the body is not color coded  like a traffic light with reds, yellows, greens, etc. and bound to malfunction just because someone had a negative thought or choose to see things as they are. If that is true then, so many more people would be sick or dead already. It makes God look like an idiot for creating such system in the first place.

Don't insinuate that I have lack of forgiveness and don't love myself and that's why I got a heart condition. You are the epitome of the classical ignorant selfish teachings to ignore everything that's bringing society down and tell me to just keep my mouth shut, my eyes blind and quote flimsy books that blame the people who are caught up in between. Thanks but NO thanks.

I am done with "gurus," "churches," self-help books after going through all of these and feeling a fool for wasting my time. New Agers always redirect their beliefs to animism (crystal stones, tarot cards eastern mysticism. Never in all my time listening to these beliefs did I hear of God being treated with respect. It's all about manipulating this or that to get what you want, just like old time good old witchcraft.

God is real to me and so are morals and people pay in one way or another for living like animals regardless of whether I sit in the Buddha position and close my eyes pretending it's not there. I like my God served with hard core science and a side of common sense.



To Jackie: I have been numerous times to this church and this man Guillermo Maldonado, left, is a false prophet. He says strange disturbing things that have nothing to do with the Bible or God. He's associated with the g12 movement cult and falling on your back talking gibberish is not how you receive the Holy Spirit. I wish people would stop recommending churches and religions when the real problem is not me but this city. Crime rates are the high, assault, high unemployment.

To Mary: It is hard finding traditional men. I'm glad you did the right thing and moved away. Sooner than later I will have to do the same thing.

To Dan: Actually I get the feeling many men (even straight) despise women in the most liberal places. I have heard their conversations around me where they talk down to women and consider them to be disposable...

http://henrymakow.com/2014/02/straight-girl-adrift-replies.html
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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #91 on: February 18, 2014, 02:36:08 AM »
Feminism had allot to do with breaking up the family and also the family courts and the welfare system helped.The  family court system is against the man,and most men not only feel this way,also most men don't want to have children because of it and the women can use to court system to only destroy the men but also take his children away for him and make him pay child support.And if you proof of this then look no further then black community.  

The problem is that if people have this attitude then more women will have kids without fathers (i.e. sperm banks) and then those kids will have an increasingly relativistic view towards marriage and commitment. 

There are only a few alternatives:

1)  Mainstream polygamy so the men who are willing to form such families can do so.  Ironically the people who will enter this are probably the same people who shop at organic stores and drive Volvo cars.  So yes, progressive-ish libertarians.

2)  Just give up and dies out as a people.

3)  Pressure legislators to change the laws but I doubt that will work as the rulers of this nation are upper-class and these people are far less likely to divorce in the first place.

4)  Move to another country and get married there.

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #93 on: February 19, 2014, 02:54:16 AM »
While feminism can be blamed for a lot of the problems facing marriage today in the USA one must also remember there are a lot of conservative women out there who would divorce their husband if they found out he looked at a Playboy magazine.  Not sure what is worse, destroying a family in the name of equality or in the name of Jesus. I think the latter is worse since Jesus spoke VERY harshly of divorce.

I think the best insurance against divorce is to see how a potential husband or wife views loyalty and commitment.  That is the variable most important in marriage.

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« Reply #94 on: February 19, 2014, 10:27:41 AM »
While feminism can be blamed for a lot of the problems facing marriage today in the USA one must also remember there are a lot of conservative women out there who would divorce their husband if they found out he looked at a Playboy magazine.  Not sure what is worse, destroying a family in the name of equality or in the name of Jesus. I think the latter is worse since Jesus spoke VERY harshly of divorce.

I think the best insurance against divorce is to see how a potential husband or wife views loyalty and commitment.  That is the variable most important in marriage.
how many women do you know who divorced their husbands because their husbands looked at a playboy magazine?

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #95 on: February 19, 2014, 07:17:35 PM »
Feminism had allot to do with breaking up the family and also the family courts and the welfare system helped.The  family court system is against the man,and most men not only feel this way,also most men don't want to have children because of it and the women can use to court system to only destroy the men but also take his children away for him and make him pay child support.

Okay true to a point... it all depends on legal representation.   I have known of men who have gotten their kids from drug abusing, psychotic women, and women who have no business raising kids.  It all depends on who your lawyer is.

And if you proof of this then look no further then black community.  

This is an issue in its own right, the problem in the black community is hormones and the lack of education.  Another issue is that black women are very emotionally needy and it is impossible for a black man to work a job and pay certain black women enough attention in their minds.  This is why black men date white women.  White women are happy enough to have a black man working at a job, not thinking every minute when is he going to be home ?? , will he cheat on me...  I have seen it where black men do everything right and yet they are still wrong by the black woman in their lives.

My mom and dad were married for 42 years... my dad had a job where he drove from Chicago back to Syracuse every 2 weeks.  Not for a minute did my mom ever suspect cheating or anything to do with cheating.   Now if they were a black couple she would be calliing him every night demanding all the events of the day, every day, and if it was a 45 minute drive home from work and he didn't answer the phone until 55 past the hour then dammit she wanted an explanation.  I don't care what color your skin is... what man wouldn't find that annoying if it was constant.

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #96 on: February 19, 2014, 07:21:49 PM »
A young woman in Miami chimes in. Follow up article is her response to advice given after the first article.

Straight Girl Adrift in a Gay Society
February 12, 2014
by Yara
(henrymakow.com)

I am a 26-years-old female and I can identify with everything Wendy's saying.

To start with, it's getting harder and harder to be in a real relationship in the current modern environment. I am not a very modern woman nor do I want to be. I'm terrified of casual sex, drinking until I lose my consciousness, doing drugs, meeting with strangers and I despise competition and revealing clothing.



I moved 11-years ago to Florida, Miami and this is absolutely the worst place to be a woman. I want you to take a hard look at the HIV map of Florida and Miami. We are number one for HIV rates in the whole country. In 2012, 1.2 per cent of the Dade County population was HIV positive.

Coincidentally the number of homosexuals is also high. Apparently any area where gay sex is taking place, diseases rates go up and this also affects straight people.

Women dress provocatively and most men of course do not respect women and do not want anything serious with us. Most women are bi and men that look straight can be secretly bi or secretly gay; it's a surprise box.

Dating and relationships are a joke; my only relationship lasted less than a month and the guy did not even wanted to drive to my house and he was lazy.

Everything is backwards, nobody cares about anything other than money. I have only one friend as a consequence, and suffer in silence because I am not "The money-hungry career bitch" that is required to be successful.

I was teased at my last job for being a virgin, made fun of and discarded. I did not grow up in the United States and my parents expect me to live up to the American dream fantasy.

I don't want to and it causes problems for sure. Disease got me by surprise. I developed a thyroid condition and most recently a heart condition and I don't want to be here no more but I feel it's the same everywhere you go.

The independent women concept is highly strange as we are required to be alone at all times, live alone, dine alone, sleep alone. Don't need anybody; just be super women yet research shows it is unhealthy to live alone. What should I do?

It seems women of my kind are not appreciated anymore and you have to be aggressive to get somewhere but I want to be a lady.

I'm already diseased and don't have the energy and will to do anything about it. I don't care about money or material stuff and many jobs do not satisfy me at all. What should I do?

http://henrymakow.com/2014/02/straight-woman-adrift-in-a-gay.html



Reply from "Straight Girl Adrift in Gay Society"
February 15, 2014


I wish people would stop recommending churches and New Age practices when the real problem is not me but Miami. Crime and HIV rates are high; so are assaults and unemployment.

by Yara
(henrymakow.com)


Although I asked for advice, I also wanted to show the effects of HIV infections rates in Florida. When unnatural acts are out of control, I'm made to be the one with the problem and who must adapt to the chaos.

I'm not asking what's wrong with me. I asking you to be honest and know that HIV and other sexual diseases are being spread like wildfire. When my time comes to choose a partner, I'm worried because you never know which past partners were there.



I am not affected by the presence of gay people themselves but the results of their actions. Violence is higher in homosexual couples; so is children abuse by homosexual couples. There's just no denying the statistics here. Children of homosexual parents (LM and GF):

-Are much more likely to have received welfare (IBF 17%; LM 69%; GF 57%)
-Have lower educational attainment
-Report less safety and security in their family of origin
-Report more ongoing "negative impact" from their family of origin
-Are more likely to suffer from depression
-Have been arrested more often
-If they are female, have had more sexual partners--both male and female
-Are an astonishing 10 times more likely to have been "touched sexually by a parent or other adult caregiver."
-Are nearly 4 times as likely to have been "physically forced" to have sex against their will
-Are more likely to have "attachment" problems related to the ability to depend on others
-Use marijuana more frequently
-Smoke more frequently
-Watch TV for long periods more frequently
-Plead guilty more often to a non-minor offenses

UNNATURAL SEX

Anal sex is very unhealthy. Doctors will tell you that the vagina is very different from the anus and of course not made for sex.

Penetration of the anus by a penis can lead to tearing of rectal tissue, bleeding and infection. Because the anus is full of bacteria, anal intercourse spreads the human papillovirus and can result in anal warts, anal cancer, HIV and other diseases. It can also result in bowel incontinence. When anal sex is combined with oral contact, disease is even more likely. Yet despite these concerns, about 90 percent of male homosexuals participate in anal intercourse. Condoms can offer some protection, but they aren't foolproof. Anal sex is high-risk behavior.

Just as in Wendy's story, many straight men are now influenced by porn and desire anal sex which is also painful and make women despise them sometimes for asking such things.



DESPISE NEW AGE

I don't believe in chakras. There's no evidence.  In fact, I have grown the despise new age message and its mindgames. Whatever energy is in the body is not color coded  like a traffic light with reds, yellows, greens, etc. and bound to malfunction just because someone had a negative thought or choose to see things as they are. If that is true then, so many more people would be sick or dead already. It makes God look like an idiot for creating such system in the first place.

Don't insinuate that I have lack of forgiveness and don't love myself and that's why I got a heart condition. You are the epitome of the classical ignorant selfish teachings to ignore everything that's bringing society down and tell me to just keep my mouth shut, my eyes blind and quote flimsy books that blame the people who are caught up in between. Thanks but NO thanks.

I am done with "gurus," "churches," self-help books after going through all of these and feeling a fool for wasting my time. New Agers always redirect their beliefs to animism (crystal stones, tarot cards eastern mysticism. Never in all my time listening to these beliefs did I hear of God being treated with respect. It's all about manipulating this or that to get what you want, just like old time good old witchcraft.

God is real to me and so are morals and people pay in one way or another for living like animals regardless of whether I sit in the Buddha position and close my eyes pretending it's not there. I like my God served with hard core science and a side of common sense.



To Jackie: I have been numerous times to this church and this man Guillermo Maldonado, left, is a false prophet. He says strange disturbing things that have nothing to do with the Bible or God. He's associated with the g12 movement cult and falling on your back talking gibberish is not how you receive the Holy Spirit. I wish people would stop recommending churches and religions when the real problem is not me but this city. Crime rates are the high, assault, high unemployment.

To Mary: It is hard finding traditional men. I'm glad you did the right thing and moved away. Sooner than later I will have to do the same thing.

To Dan: Actually I get the feeling many men (even straight) despise women in the most liberal places. I have heard their conversations around me where they talk down to women and consider them to be disposable...

http://henrymakow.com/2014/02/straight-girl-adrift-replies.html

Go to e-harmony and in one month you will have more than enough good suitors.  They do free communications from time to time log on and be anonymous until you are confortable enough to reveal yourself.

If you are an American woman with common sense and a brain believe me you are in high demand in the dating community.

www.eharmony.com

Also there are no good colleges where you are ?

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #97 on: February 19, 2014, 07:28:47 PM »
While feminism can be blamed for a lot of the problems facing marriage today in the USA one must also remember there are a lot of conservative women out there who would divorce their husband if they found out he looked at a Playboy magazine.  Not sure what is worse, destroying a family in the name of equality or in the name of Jesus. I think the latter is worse since Jesus spoke VERY harshly of divorce.

I think the best insurance against divorce is to see how a potential husband or wife views loyalty and commitment.  That is the variable most important in marriage.

Well women today are also big quitters, once they get "depressed" with married life then it is all over.  Back in the past women raised kids and set up societies.  Now women need all kinds of anti-depressants anymore to function.  I have seen it where "depressed-wives" bowed out and the uncle and father have had to step up and raise the kids.

It's disgusting that women can't be good moms or parents anymore... it is not like they have given up motherhood to pursue noble causes not in any great capacity.

The funny thing anymore is that e-Harmony.com , Match.com, and the mail-order-bride business are all on the same pro-marriage and family preservation side of society.  To that I give them kudos.

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #98 on: February 19, 2014, 07:30:24 PM »
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Dating and relationships are a joke; my only relationship lasted less than a month and the guy did not even wanted to drive to my house and he was lazy.

Well unless there is beer or drugs involved most Floridian men are pretty lazy.

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« Reply #99 on: February 21, 2014, 12:43:07 PM »
I'm surprised nobody has really, really, blamed promiscuity.
I believe this idiom might explain the phenomena.

"Why buy the cow when you can get free milk"

Of course I have not seen many replies bemoaning that people are having sex outside marriage.


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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #100 on: February 21, 2014, 01:47:27 PM »
I'm surprised nobody has really, really, blamed promiscuity.
I believe this idiom might explain the phenomena.

"Why buy the cow when you can get free milk"

Of course I have not seen many replies bemoaning that people are having sex outside marriage.



Because casual sex has become so normalized. Young people talk about hook ups, booty calls, friendships with benefits. Sex used to be associated with intimacy within marriage resulting in a miraculous creation of new life. Now it has about as much meaning as any other bodily function.

To take it back to an older standard. Did you sleep with her? If so, then guess what? You’re married! Consummation was commonly understood. No license. No wedding ceremony. Big pharma's birth control pills emerged around the same time as the women's lib movement that promoted promiscuity.

Don’t the courts still recognize common law marriages for the purposes of palimony?

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #101 on: February 21, 2014, 02:26:49 PM »

Already we are breaking down the habits of thought which have survived from before the Revolution. We have cut the links between child and parent, and between man and man, and between man and woman. No one dares trust a wife or a child or a friend any longer. But in the future there will be no wives and no friends. Children will be taken from their mothers at birth, as one takes eggs from a hen. The sex instinct will be eradicated. Procreation will be an annual formality like the renewal of a ration card. We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now. There will be no loyalty, except loyalty towards the Party. There will be no love, except the love of Big Brother. There will be no laughter, except the laugh of triumph over a defeated enemy. There will be no art, no literature, no science. When we are omnipotent we shall have no more need of science. There will be no distinction between beauty and ugliness. There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always—do not forget this, Winston—always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.’ – from 1984 by George Orwell

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #102 on: February 21, 2014, 03:44:53 PM »
I'm surprised nobody has really, really, blamed promiscuity.
I believe this idiom might explain the phenomena.

"Why buy the cow when you can get free milk"

Of course I have not seen many replies bemoaning that people are having sex outside marriage.



There are those of us that want children and the family structure,  however a majority of American women are idiots when it comes to anything to do with children anymore.

As far as sex outside of marriage... it is immoral but what is a guy to do when he is healthy and vibrant and she wants to be a middle aged crone.   Would it kill women to take herbal supplements to boost their sex drive to match the man in their lives ?  They would be happier and live healthier.

No, not unless a TV doctor or Oprah tells them to do so.

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #103 on: February 21, 2014, 03:50:04 PM »
I'm surprised nobody has really, really, blamed promiscuity.
I believe this idiom might explain the phenomena.

"Why buy the cow when you can get free milk"

Of course I have not seen many replies bemoaning that people are having sex outside marriage.



If no one has explained it to you yet there are some girls out there that are just worth a good romp in the hay and nothing else...

I've been with some girls that were pretty hot in bed but in no way would I ever have them be the mother of my children.

The woman I am with now is both but it took a lifetime and a miracle from God to finally find this woman.  I guess the Almighty was sympathetic to my situation.

Not all women are mother material but men will be men as far as sex-drive goes.

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #104 on: February 21, 2014, 06:35:23 PM »
I'm surprised nobody has really, really, blamed promiscuity.
I believe this idiom might explain the phenomena.

"Why buy the cow when you can get free milk"

Of course I have not seen many replies bemoaning that people are having sex outside marriage.



Dude, did you miss this?

Why buy the cow when the milk is free?   Huh Huh

And that, LADIES, is your issue.  The easier it is to have something....the more the value of it decreases. Sorry, but that's true of anything.  If most golfers could hit a hole-in-one every game...guess what?   A hole in one then basically means nothing.  If a woman values herself so little that she has sex with everyone she dates.......guess what?  That act really has little value anymore.  And most men (if they were honest) would probably NOT want that woman to be the mother of their children. Why?  Well, DUH - if she was so easy to get in bed with me......(male thinking)

Our controllers (the NWO) have so convinced us that something that GOD created to be beautiful and sacred and mind-blowing between two people that love, trust  and have made a committment to each other.....is nothing more than pure 'animal' instincts.  The very act that creates human life is now so cheap, so easily had, so 'ordinary', that people who just do it because it 'feels good' are the NORM.  Any wonder there are so many abortions, child abuse tragedies, etc in our society - there shouldn't be.  After all....if the 'biological'  act that creates life is so debased, the results of that act will be as well.  It's not a 'human being'.....it's a CHOICE, right?

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #105 on: February 22, 2014, 08:11:05 AM »
I was speaking to a young woman the other day. I know her quite well and can see that her story is true.  She is 24 and single. She was dating a guy for two years and then discovered he was seeing several young women on the side. They broke up and now she is sort of dating a guy who has no desire to have kids -- my guess is that he will string her along for a while, saying he might change his mind, and then move on afterwards...waisting more of her fertile years. Oh, I should mention she would love to have a family of four kids.  Yet in today's culture the chances are she will bounce from one user to another until she is either too old to have kids or will settle on some undesirable guy.  Sad as she is quite intelligent and good-looking. 

The thing is that if a culture turns against marriage as Western culture has then there will be a surplus of single women and young men will just use these girls with no intention of settling down and having a family.

Seems like some of the responses in this thread would prove that is happening.

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #106 on: February 22, 2014, 08:41:41 AM »
Sad as she is quite intelligent and good-looking.

Listen again to the interview which began this thread. If my hunch is correct, she has several gainfully employed, reasonably attractive male "friends," any one of whom would jump at the chance of starting a family with her, yet keeps all of them at arm's length because they're too "nice" -- i.e. not "bad" enough -- for her.

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #107 on: February 22, 2014, 09:28:14 AM »





http://youtu.be/d-N9daqANcw?t=14m28s

She is a wild woman who would be great fun for the right man. Listen to her drop the f bomb. Turns me on.

A betting man would put money on Karen Straughan .  ;D

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« Reply #108 on: February 22, 2014, 09:07:16 PM »
Listen again to the interview which began this thread. If my hunch is correct, she has several gainfully employed, reasonably attractive male "friends," any one of whom would jump at the chance of starting a family with her, yet keeps all of them at arm's length because they're too "nice" -- i.e. not "bad" enough -- for her.

I'd bet money on it.

I still stand by what I said earlier in this thread. I just wanted to make a reply to your comment. That's the one thing I never understood...the bad boy effect. Maybe going after that when you're younger (high school age) and don't really know any better would make sense. But once you're grown up, you'd think all the nice guys would be the cream of the crop! I guess that's one more thing that's going on in an upside down world nice = awful.

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« Reply #109 on: February 23, 2014, 02:36:30 AM »
Listen again to the interview which began this thread. If my hunch is correct, she has several gainfully employed, reasonably attractive male "friends," any one of whom would jump at the chance of starting a family with her, yet keeps all of them at arm's length because they're too "nice" -- i.e. not "bad" enough -- for her.

I'd bet money on it.

I completely understand where you are coming from.

As a society, we have deleted and distorted the "Law of Attraction". This simply states that "Like Attracts Like".

Of course as human beings we are a little more complicated. The very reason that we are attracted to the opposite sex, is the other powerful contradictory concept "Opposites Attract"

So which do we apply in this case ?

Observation leads me to conclude that given the chance, a couple will select each other on a balanced mixture of both principles. The division is on what is required shared common values, because they are sexless, and which values the person recognizes the need to balance there deficiency with an opposite quality in there partner.

But can "opposites attract" explain why a "good girl" is attracted to a "bad boy" ?

In one sense we could take the easy options and either deduce, that girl was blameless and could not resist her opposite, or we could make the harsh judgement that despite superficial appearance it was actually a case of "Like Attracts Like".

Of course, we are complex creatures and a mixture of both factors is happening and marriages function within society not separate to society. Society intervenes, in ways that it never ever used too, and the results are clearly not working. Yet, all we do is bitch and moan when and where it suits us, and blatantly ignore what ever does not suit our desires.

The other issue I've seen denied, is that while we casually enquire why "good girls" like "bad men", we deny why "good men" like "bad girls".

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« Reply #110 on: February 23, 2014, 04:42:32 PM »
Yeah well all I ever see is dysfunctional men and dysfunctional women shacking up.

I don't know what women are learning in school these days come 20+ers are so dumb anymore.

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« Reply #111 on: February 23, 2014, 05:09:20 PM »
I thank God every day for my wife.  We got married last year and dated for 5 years before tying the knot.  She is awesome and keeps me on a straight and narrow path.  Both of our parents got divorced and we made a commitment that we never want to see broken.  I believe the only way a marriage can be successful is to invite the Lord into it from the start and have His Will lead the marriage. 

If one partner becomes selfish or lazy the marriage will dissolve.  It takes hard work every day but it is incredibly worth it to have someone that actually cares about you every day.

Good luck to everyone out there, don't get jaded by all the ho's running around giving women a bad name.  And ladies, don't get discouraged by all the pompous playboys just looking to prey upon the next young skirt.  There are legit ppl out there that are looking for a normal, secure relationship but I highly advise knowing yourself before making a lifetime commitment.

Part of the problem is how lightly society has made marriage and that commitment seem.  You need to truly know that the person you are marrying is someone you would die for, if not then that's not the person for you. 

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« Reply #112 on: February 25, 2014, 06:09:33 AM »
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The other issue I've seen denied, is that while we casually enquire why "good girls" like "bad men", we deny why "good men" like "bad girls".

Actually one must define what is "bad" and what is "good."  Of course when women are ovulating they seek out males high in "alpha" traits -- which can be strength, creative intellect or high finances.  That is biology -- make a strong baby. They irony is that in our "civilized" society those "bad boy" traits are usually more likely to be associated with those high survivability traits.  Being willing to stand out of conventional society shows positive, high testosterone, traits.  Ironically once the women is successful in capturing such a man she will try to "tame" him which will lead to either his virtual castration (Freud) or he will seek out new partners (central to evolutionary psychology).  This is the way God made us...sorry, that is just the way it is.

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #113 on: March 03, 2014, 12:46:44 AM »
A lot of people have been critical of marriage in the current state of the USA but what do you suggest for young women who, for the most part, still want families?

Should they forgo having children (cultural suicide), turn to sperm banks, find a good Mormon polygamist or go lesbian and then go to a sperm bank?  Seems millions are being left with no other options.

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« Reply #114 on: March 03, 2014, 04:36:52 PM »
A lot of people have been critical of marriage in the current state of the USA but what do you suggest for young women who, for the most part, still want families?

Should they forgo having children (cultural suicide), turn to sperm banks, find a good Mormon polygamist or go lesbian and then go to a sperm bank?  Seems millions are being left with no other options.

Women have plenty of options if they grow up mentally and accept the responsibilty that comes with them.   I have known many women who have come to this realization on e-Harmony when they have a kid from an immature ex and is now looking to find a serious man to start a family with.  The problem in America is too often men have to be baby-sitter to the girlfriend cuz women want to party like teenagers way into their 30s and 40s.

The woman I am with now is more than capeable of raising kids, she was 19 when her baby sister was born.  Before I met her most women I ever came across have been very childish or teenish for the most part.  Not the best traits to have with a mom to be.

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« Reply #115 on: March 04, 2014, 09:37:47 AM »
I agree that many women are immature, as are men in the USA.  I suppose another option is for young women who are mature to seek out men who are 10 - 15 years older than them.  Looking at the state of health and testosterone of young men today you have a better chance as a 25 year old to marry a 50 year old and have him live a long time than you would marrying a 25 year old man.

Of course the woman needs to make sure the older man is into having a family as many just want a trophy wife, nothing more.

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« Reply #116 on: March 05, 2014, 12:57:06 PM »
Marriage is an act of maturity [if you are grown up]; and sad to say that most people today fail the test of maturity.
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« Reply #117 on: March 05, 2014, 01:05:31 PM »
Have to agree with Edward although its a 2 way street ... my first marriage was to a younger woman and our values ended up being unequal to say the least .... not all her fault or mine so we tryed and finally decided together that we would divorce .....
     My current wife and I have been married 15 years and I married into two stepchildren (teenage boys) and now 2 grandchildren .... my wife is 13 years older than me

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« Reply #118 on: March 05, 2014, 01:12:32 PM »
Have to agree with Edward although its a 2 way street ... my first marriage was to a younger woman and our values ended up being unequal to say the least .... not all her fault or mine so we tryed and finally decided together that we would divorce .....
     My current wife and I have been married 15 years and I married into two stepchildren (teenage boys) and now 2 grandchildren .... my wife is 13 years older than me
  Happy all has work out well for you and your clan. You sound like a stand up man: GOD Bless ya mate and your clan.. :)!!!!!
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« Reply #119 on: March 05, 2014, 01:19:19 PM »
I consider myself lucky .... not having my own children and always wanting to .... I have two stepsons and grandchildren that I have basically been able to raise as my own .... two families saved with the flick of one stone so to speak .... God Bless !