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« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2014, 04:39:32 PM »
Let's face it Americans are slothy and the diligent ones have much to avoid.

I do agree, and add that is a global problem throughout western society.

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« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2014, 05:14:21 PM »
for contrast a man,  58 expecting his fifth child: Bruce Willis
He's got plenty of money and probably a pre-nup, so let er rip  - oh and age doesn't matter when you have the do-ray-me....

Bruce Willis is an American actor, producer, and musician with a net worth of $150 million



That is a carefully contrived NWO/Hollywood marriage, which the public is meant to see. The actorís handlers consider themselves to be the trendsetters for what marriage is in this country.

How many of these marriages last? Itís a revolving door for them. How many actors marry outside of their social caste? This example is as close to polygamy and polyandry as it gets. Bored with your current wife/husband? Just swap out with somebody elseís. Gotta stay trendy.

The message this sends to young men: If you're not successful like Bruce Willis here, then you don't DESERVE to have a wife. You can't afford it.
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« Reply #42 on: February 07, 2014, 07:54:42 AM »
That is a carefully contrived NWO/Hollywood marriage, which the public is meant to see. The actorís handlers consider themselves to be the trendsetters for what marriage is in this country.

How many of these marriages last? Itís a revolving door for them. How many actors marry outside of their social caste? This example is as close to polygamy and polyandry as it gets. Bored with your current wife/husband? Just swap out with somebody elseís. Gotta stay trendy.

The message this sends to young men: If you're not successful like Bruce Willis here, then you don't DESERVE to have a wife. You can't afford it.

Well, one observation...older man and younger woman.  Considering so many young men are opting out of marriage my suggestion is that 20 and 30 something women who want children should look for 40 and 50 something men who are into kids and wish to marry and start families.  These men will probably live longer than the current crop of 20 and 30 something men today.

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« Reply #43 on: February 07, 2014, 08:54:52 AM »
I've seen this happen too but 10x more with men.

Women have it so good in this country, all they have to do is get with a college man and their lives are likely to be better.

That does it. >:(

The odor of testosterone wafting through this thread could be better put to use by you MEN, in accepting RESPONSIBILITY for yourselves.  I have not seen this much WHINING about women since Genesis.

"And he said, "who told you that you were naked?  Have you eaten of the tree that I commanded you not to eat of?"

And the man said, "The woman you gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree and I did eat"
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Thank GOD the Broncos are all male - otherwise I'm sure women would have been blamed for THAT.
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Obviously, an American woman's viewpoint is lacking in this discussion.  I will be most happy to provide one later this evening ..............AFTER I finish working my 10-12 hours to provide for me and my child.  (and getting paid for only 8 - the other 2-4 I work for free - to make myself slightly more cost-effective than my competition in MUMBAI).

Yes, I am the b!tch ex-wife.  Who has worked 2 or even 3 jobs to provide for my child, because his FATHER refused to do so.  And skipped the country to avoid the measly 300.00 a month child support.  Which never changed from 1995.   For the divorce that HE wanted.

You are forewarned.


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« Reply #44 on: February 07, 2014, 10:21:05 AM »
I think its a problem with both Men and Women.
actually the problem is mostly women. women had it good when men were the bread winners etc. the women then started agitating for equality then they got laws passed in their favor. lawyers and politicians exploit these laws by encouraging women to be greedy etc. as a result the family unit got destroyed and we are in the mess we are today.

1. If a guy doesn't take care of his child, he is a dead beat.
2. If a woman aborts her child, she is well within her rights.


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« Reply #45 on: February 07, 2014, 12:01:43 PM »
That does it. >:(

Welcome to the thread, green eyes. Looking forward to your viewpoint.

Haven't seen you posting as much these days. Was wondering whatever happened to you.

I'm really glad to see you're still around.
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« Reply #46 on: February 07, 2014, 12:06:03 PM »
That does it. >:(

The odor of testosterone wafting through this thread could be better put to use by you MEN, in accepting RESPONSIBILITY for yourselves.  I have not seen this much WHINING about women since Genesis.

"And he said, "who told you that you were naked?  Have you eaten of the tree that I commanded you not to eat of?"

And the man said, "The woman you gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree and I did eat"
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Thank GOD the Broncos are all male - otherwise I'm sure women would have been blamed for THAT.
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Obviously, an American woman's viewpoint is lacking in this discussion.  I will be most happy to provide one later this evening ..............AFTER I finish working my 10-12 hours to provide for me and my child.  (and getting paid for only 8 - the other 2-4 I work for free - to make myself slightly more cost-effective than my competition in MUMBAI).

Yes, I am the b!tch ex-wife.  Who has worked 2 or even 3 jobs to provide for my child, because his FATHER refused to do so.  And skipped the country to avoid the measly 300.00 a month child support.  Which never changed from 1995.   For the divorce that HE wanted.

You are forewarned.



Thank you for that post, your quiet right, there is an odour of misogamy, which is disappointing.

 

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #47 on: February 07, 2014, 07:40:21 PM »
COMMENT: Posting the following article as an example of what young people have to deal with today. They donít really have hope for the future at the moment. I can see influences from the dehumanization agenda that has been in effect for generations Ė promiscuity, deviancy, divorce, and now financial austerity/contrived poverty. They are a living example of what happens when global lying takes over.


Wendy asks: "What are Young People to Do?"
February 7, 2014


Wendy, a sensitive and intelligent person, brilliantly captures the social and financial challenges facing young working class women today.



"I can easily imagine a future where everyone is gay, and children are conceived in test tubes. "


by Wendy
(henrymakow.com)

I've been reading your articles about feminism,
and I have long agreed with many of your conclusions.  I am a 20-year-old woman living in Georgia.  I think traditional feminine roles should be honoured, and it is sad that they are now mostly ridiculed.  However, it is difficult to survive as a traditional feminine woman.  Most young men no longer make enough money to support a wife or children.  And many traditional female occupations do not make enough.   

First of all, I come from a broken family.  My mother was always dominant and overbearing and my father absent and submissive.  They were both violent towards one another and their children on a regular basis.  They are divorced.  I don't want my children to endure the childhood I endured.   

I considered marrying the first man I had a serious relationship with.  When we met, I was 18 and he was 30.  We had similar values, a strong connection, and loved each other very much.  However, he wasn't financially stable, and wanted to get married and have children, but couldn't even support himself very well between pay checks. 

My parents hated that I was dating an older man, and frequently threatened us. Most of my friends were also shocked I would even date someone that old.  But he was mature, and being with him was the most fulfilled I have ever felt in my life.  I miss him, but have no way of contacting him, and doubt he would even want me back as I have another boyfriend now.   

And he couldn't support me or even really himself, and I ended up moving to a different state to look for a job. 

My only real job experience thus far has been as a nanny and tutor.  But when I put that on a resume, employers don't consider that a job, though it was my most regular job where I had the most steady income. 

And while it is difficult to find a good man without being modest, it seems difficult to find a job without being somewhat slutty.  I don't wear makeup and dress conservatively, usually preferring to keep my hair covered.

My mom said I needed to "doll myself up" to be able to get a job.  I finally put on makeup and got a job at a cafe, but the pay was terrible and my boss smacked my ass and said other things that were sexually harassing.  And talking to other women my age, this is incredibly common! 

Now I'm in school and want to become a teacher.  But it seems most intelligent young people are not having children anymore.  A lot of my classmates and peers identify as gay.  Some of them have even relied on making gay and lesbian porn videos to pay their bills!

PRESSURE TO BE GAY

My boyfriend now is 25, and I'm 20.  I really appreciated you pointing out that nowadays, gay is cool and trendy.  I've literally felt embarrassed having a boyfriend around some people, and feel pressured to say he is just a friend.  And again, my parents don't approve of me dating him, and my friends don't understand why I'm dating him and won't even hang out with us, only me alone.   

He comes from a big family with parents who are still together.  He seems to believe in protecting and honoring women.  We have been together six months though with no real promise of marriage.  He also seems to want me to dress conservatively, but not too conservatively.  He hates it if I cover my hair, and loves it when women wear boots, tight pants, short skirts, lingerie, etc etc. 

He also loves women who are big and strong.  I'm slender and not particularly strong physically.  He also frequently begs me for anal sex. None of his siblings are married, though his 34-year old sister is engaged.  We have discussed marriage, but he seems to find the idea of getting married at a young age laughable.  However, he does talk about having children, and doesn't seem to think we should be married before having children.  I don't want to have children unless I am married first though. Furthermore, though he talks of children; he also has trouble just supporting himself between pay checks. 

I wonder if I should break up with him and refuse to have sex with anyone else unless we get married first.  But so far I can't afford to rent my own place.   And I don't know of any men who are seriously interested in marriage, and if they are, they can't afford it, or children. 

A lot of people in the town where I live are openly gay, and this is the American South. I feel lost, and receive no meaningful advice from my parents or any elders. 

In fact, my parents tell me, "you shouldn't be with a man at all." As a young woman in my sexual prime, this is mystifying to me.  They seem to want me to move back in with them until I am making enough money to live on my own, but their household has always been a violent and unsafe environment. 

 I want to be a teacher.  I really wonder about the future of this planet, and about my own personal future and if I'll ever even be able to get married, much less have children of my own.  I can easily imagine a future where everyone is gay, and children are conceived in test tubes.   

What a bizarre world we live in...

What can any of us really do to change this?

Thanks for getting this out in the open,

http://henrymakow.com/2014/02/wendy-what-are-young-people-to-do.html
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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #48 on: February 07, 2014, 08:52:26 PM »
That does it. >:(

The odor of testosterone wafting through this thread could be better put to use by you MEN, in accepting RESPONSIBILITY for yourselves.  I have not seen this much WHINING about women since Genesis.

"And he said, "who told you that you were naked?  Have you eaten of the tree that I commanded you not to eat of?"

And the man said, "The woman you gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree and I did eat"
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Thank GOD the Broncos are all male - otherwise I'm sure women would have been blamed for THAT.
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Obviously, an American woman's viewpoint is lacking in this discussion.  I will be most happy to provide one later this evening ..............AFTER I finish working my 10-12 hours to provide for me and my child.  (and getting paid for only 8 - the other 2-4 I work for free - to make myself slightly more cost-effective than my competition in MUMBAI).

Yes, I am the b!tch ex-wife.  Who has worked 2 or even 3 jobs to provide for my child, because his FATHER refused to do so.  And skipped the country to avoid the measly 300.00 a month child support.  Which never changed from 1995.   For the divorce that HE wanted.

You are forewarned.



I really don't want to get too personal with my post but I also think it's a "learn from what you see" thing. I am an American woman and I don't want to get married. I realize that sometimes it can be a case of you see unhealthy relationships when you're growing up and you end up getting into a healthy relationship. Sometimes you can see healthy relationships and end up in an unhealthy one. And sometimes it matches up. See healthy = find healthy. See unhealthy = find unhealthy.

I also think time has something to do with it. I think a lot of people rush into marriage, a lot of people ignore red flags that come up because of the whole 'love is blind' thing. And I'm not talking abuse when I talk about those red flags. I'm just talking about any issue, big or small that a person might ignore or think won't be a problem when they're in those first few stages of being in love.

And I realize this is a complicated subject with many answers. Yeah, I can see money being another reason.
 

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« Reply #49 on: February 08, 2014, 03:28:53 AM »
Interesting take on divorce today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EDT1GgAFG0

The thing is that people plugged into the matrix, which tends to be less educated people as they consume far more popular culture on TV and in magazines, are far less likely to marry and far more likely to divorce than people with college educations.  The more educated people should avoid marriage with these people but they should not feel that all their like-minded peers have that same NWO mentality as the less educated.

We don't want to see eugenics in reverse, do we?

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« Reply #50 on: February 08, 2014, 04:30:50 AM »
Ok, just listened to the broadcast.  Made it almost all the way through, until she mentioned when "we split off from chimpanzees".  Considering that my world view does NOT include having ancestry from chimpanzees, I figured I'd heard enough.

She does make some valid points, and I did hear some interesting statistics. 

However, I filter everything through my Christian viewpoint, and so if that offends anyone, don't bother to read further.

What I found fascinating was her 'surprise' of how women tend to only consider 'mating possibilities' either 'laterally' or 'upwardly', and seldom 'below' their perceived 'social' position...whereas men do not have that particular prejudice on their choices of 'mating' partners.

 Well, DUH.    Someone who includes 'chimpanzees' in their ancestry should accept that BIOLOGICALLY, the gender that bears the offspring would 'naturally' be attracted to a mate that could best provide for that offspring.  "Cavewomen" would instinctively be drawn to the 'best warrior/hunter' in the tribe for that reason......as provider.  Just as the "CAVEMAN" would naturally seek out the best looking/most attractive mate to create such offspring with!  Jeez.  And has anything changed?  How rare is it to see a rich 'heterosexual' man without a beautiful woman? And why do beautiful women rarely have to beg for attention?

I'm not saying that either actually end up with the best person to share their lives with, but men who complain  that 'women are only after their money' should realize that there could definitely be a biological predispostion towards that choice.   Just as women should realize that men are 'visual' creatures, probably due to the same  gender predisposition.

More later - just realized it's really, really LATE.   :o

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« Reply #51 on: February 08, 2014, 04:50:12 AM »
Ok, just listened to the broadcast.  Made it almost all the way through, until she mentioned when "we split off from chimpanzees".  Considering that my world view does NOT include having ancestry from chimpanzees, I figured I'd heard enough.

She does make some valid points, and I did hear some interesting statistics. 

However, I filter everything through my Christian viewpoint, and so if that offends anyone, don't bother to read further.

What I found fascinating was her 'surprise' of how women tend to only consider 'mating possibilities' either 'laterally' or 'upwardly', and seldom 'below' their perceived 'social' position...whereas men do not have that particular prejudice on their choices of 'mating' partners.

 Well, DUH.    Someone who includes 'chimpanzees' in their ancestry should accept that BIOLOGICALLY, the gender that bears the offspring would 'naturally' be attracted to a mate that could best provide for that offspring.  "Cavewomen" would instinctively be drawn to the 'best warrior/hunter' in the tribe for that reason......as provider.  Just as the "CAVEMAN" would naturally seek out the best looking/most attractive mate to create such offspring with!  Jeez.  And has anything changed?  How rare is it to see a rich 'heterosexual' man without a beautiful woman? And why do beautiful women rarely have to beg for attention?

I'm not saying that either actually end up with the best person to share their lives with, but men who complain  that 'women are only after their money' should realize that there could definitely be a biological predispostion towards that choice.   Just as women should realize that men are 'visual' creatures, probably due to the same  gender predisposition.

More later - just realized it's really, really LATE.   :o
Interesting observations and the Biblical Lens spells it all out in Genesis.

When Men and Women believe they came from Monkeys: Well! they will act like animals: And this is occurring in our day.
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« Reply #52 on: February 08, 2014, 03:16:20 PM »
That does it. >:(

The odor of testosterone wafting through this thread could be better put to use by you MEN, in accepting RESPONSIBILITY for yourselves.  I have not seen this much WHINING about women since Genesis.

"And he said, "who told you that you were naked?  Have you eaten of the tree that I commanded you not to eat of?"

And the man said, "The woman you gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree and I did eat"
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Thank GOD the Broncos are all male - otherwise I'm sure women would have been blamed for THAT.
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Obviously, an American woman's viewpoint is lacking in this discussion.  I will be most happy to provide one later this evening ..............AFTER I finish working my 10-12 hours to provide for me and my child.  (and getting paid for only 8 - the other 2-4 I work for free - to make myself slightly more cost-effective than my competition in MUMBAI).

Yes, I am the b!tch ex-wife.  Who has worked 2 or even 3 jobs to provide for my child, because his FATHER refused to do so.  And skipped the country to avoid the measly 300.00 a month child support.  Which never changed from 1995.   For the divorce that HE wanted.

You are forewarned.



Let me guess you had no father, no brothers or uncles in your life that tried to warn you of your ex-husband ?

Where did you meet the guy anyway ?

See what I don't get is that even if women in this country aren't too pretty and feel they have to settle... why they don't ask some of their male friends to assess their boyfriend before making such a critical decision.  There are always warning signs.  I have no idea how you look so please don't take this the wrong way.  My girl-friend now, is gorgeous and she had problems finding a man who wanted a family and a committed married life.  Thanks to e-Harmony and FACEBOOK we found each other.

Plus why haven't you tried to land yourself a new boyfriend on e-Harmony with all the free communication days they have ?

American women have such opportunity if they look in the right places.

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« Reply #53 on: February 08, 2014, 06:31:04 PM »
Let me guess you had no father, no brothers or uncles in your life that tried to warn you of your ex-husband ?

Where did you meet the guy anyway ?

See what I don't get is that even if women in this country aren't too pretty and feel they have to settle... why they don't ask some of their male friends to assess their boyfriend before making such a critical decision.  There are always warning signs.  I have no idea how you look so please don't take this the wrong way.  My girl-friend now, is gorgeous and she had problems finding a man who wanted a family and a committed married life.  Thanks to e-Harmony and FACEBOOK we found each other.

Plus why haven't you tried to land yourself a new boyfriend on e-Harmony with all the free communication days they have ?

American women have such opportunity if they look in the right places.

DING!! DING!!! DING!!!  You won the bonus round!!! :D

My child's father and I married when I was 20 years old and living in a foreign country.  And the man I married, was NOT the man who would later abandon both our child, and the lovely child he had with ex-wife #2 - who HE had custody of!!!!

In answer to your question - I had no father, no brothers, no male family members to assess his 'compatibility' to me, other than family friends.  And we were together for over 2 years, and everyone liked him very much.

People change, and not always for the best.  And to be perfectly honest, I accept the majority of the blame for our estrangement.....even though he was the one who divorced me.    Yes, he was unfaithful, but that can be forgiven because there is usually fault on both sides when infidelity occurs, as long as there is communication, and a willingness to try and work things out.  Would he have tried to work out the problem had there not been a girlfriend to run to?  I don't know because I didn't know she was in the picture until later.  Of course, THAT marriage didn't work out for him either, as SHE cheated on HIM.  What goes around.........

Anyway, you bring up a good point, and after the dissolution of that marriage, I did try "online' dating, etc.  Unfortunately, for some reason....people LIE. I have found that typically men will lie about their income,or their real spiritual beliefs,  or will say whatever they think you want to hear. Women will usually lie about their age, or their weight...hahahahaha
I never had a problem securing interest, but as a Christian woman with a small child (at the time) I had very high standards.  What is amazing is that I found very little difference between the morals of most "Christian" men I dated and someone that I might meet in a bar!  As a matter of fact, at least in a BAR, you expect to be 'hit on' for sex' so it didn't come as a surprise, but it certainly did in a 'church' setting. Especially in a church 'leadership' position.  No wonder so many people get turned off by 'religious' people - they claim belief in one standard, but practice another!

Which comes to my next point about the whole 'avoidance' of marriage by American men.

Why buy the cow when the milk is free?   ??? ???

And that, LADIES, is your issue.  The easier it is to have something....the more the value of it decreases. Sorry, but that's true of anything.  If most golfers could hit a hole-in-one every game...guess what?   A hole in one then basically means nothing.  If a woman values herself so little that she has sex with everyone she dates.......guess what?  That act really has little value anymore.  And most men (if they were honest) would probably NOT want that woman to be the mother of their children. Why?  Well, DUH - if she was so easy to get in bed with me......(male thinking)

Our controllers (the NWO) have so convinced us that something that GOD created to be beautiful and sacred and mind-blowing between two people that love, trust  and have made a committment to each other.....is nothing more than pure 'animal' instincts.  The very act that creates human life is now so cheap, so easily had, so 'ordinary', that people who just do it because it 'feels good' are the NORM.  Any wonder there are so many abortions, child abuse tragedies, etc in our society - there shouldn't be.  After all....if the 'biological'  act that creates life is so debased, the results of that act will be as well.  It's not a 'human being'.....it's a CHOICE, right?

Which leads us into:

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #54 on: February 08, 2014, 08:20:16 PM »
@White Rose Sophie Ė When you got married, did you and your husband have the same God? Did that change during the marriage? This is something that most people donít think of as being that important these days. But the idea of  ď...a threefold cord is not quickly broken.Ē came up earlier this week.
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« Reply #55 on: February 08, 2014, 09:46:33 PM »
I really don't want to get too personal with my post but I also think it's a "learn from what you see" thing. I am an American woman and I don't want to get married.

When you say you don't want to get married, does that mean ever, or just not at this time/until further notice? Is the reason for this because of what you see around you?

Also, how do you define "love"? What does that word mean to you?

Just trying to get your take on this.
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« Reply #56 on: February 08, 2014, 11:51:11 PM »
When you say you don't want to get married, does that mean ever, or just not at this time/until further notice? Is the reason for this because of what you see around you?

Also, how do you define "love"? What does that word mean to you?

Just trying to get your take on this.

Never. I'd say part of it is what I see/saw around me. And part of it is me as well.  I have a lot of issues and if I'm not happy with myself, how can anybody else be happy if they're with me? Same goes for the other person if you put the other person in my shoes/my thoughts. I don't want to be that person that ruins another person's life. I know that life is ups and downs btw. I just don't want to be somebody that is always in "down" mode and I make that person always be in down mode as well. Does that make sense?

This is really going to be hard to put down in words about how I feel about love. I define love as being this powerful bond that only grows stronger throughout the years. It never stays the same or withers away. That you're with this person and you fulfill each other. And I'm not talking sex there. I'm talking the entire experience. That you've made my life better because you're in it* And I've made his life better because I'm in his life. You're with this person and there's mutual respect, understanding, trust. There's stuff that's gotta be inside of both people or I don't think it's going to work.

*And I kinda reference something that I said earlier. And this might be the weirdest example ever. I think everybody at a good starting point is like a glass that's half full. Now picture an empty glass. I don't think you can look for just another person to come and half way fill the glass up, meaning you're putting all the responsibility on another person to make you happy or make you feel good, etc. What happens if that relationship falls through and you end up with the empty glass again? Shouldn't it be a case of going out there and finding yourself, finding things that you feel passionate about so you can fill your own glass up halfway? And when you meet that right person, you're both with a full glass of water or at least almost full glass of water.


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« Reply #57 on: February 09, 2014, 03:24:15 AM »
Most of the men in western society are 'Metro-sexual' (which leaves them less than a real man).

Most women today are tainted by 'Feminism' ( which leaves them less than a real woman).

When both genders are confused about their identity; then ALL Relationships will end in tragedy.
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« Reply #58 on: February 09, 2014, 03:42:10 AM »
@White Rose Sophie Ė When you got married, did you and your husband have the same God? Did that change during the marriage? This is something that most people donít think of as being that important these days. But the idea of  ď...a threefold cord is not quickly broken.Ē came up earlier this week.

Another DING!DING! DING!  Funny how you use that quote from Ecclesiastes, I was planning on doing that myself in replying to this thread.  :D

And the answer is no.  Neither he or I were Christians.  I had a 'relationship' with GOD, and he recognized that I was more 'spiritual' than him, but I was not really 'saved' then.  As a matter of fact, I don't count myself a born-again christian until AFTER the divorce proceedings started.  Sad, that it took losing almost everything that really mattered to me, before I humbled myself to Almighty GOD and asked for forgiveness, and a relationship with HIS son.  After THAT day, I fought the divorce, but it still happened.  The thing is - if it took THAT to get me to know Yeshua (losing everything that I truly wanted in Life, ie, husband, home, etc) it was still worth it and I would not undo anything.  I'm just sorry that my heart was so hardened, my desire for self-rule so stubborn, that GOD had to resort to THAT to get my attention.

Interestingly, when my ex then starting having problems with WIFE #2  (the girlfriend he had when we were married), he started going to church.  I had been praying for him ever since my conversion, because after all, he was still the father of my child.  Even when he skipped the country the first time.........came back, then skipped the country again.  While he was going to church, he was a different man, and I had high hopes for him because that could only benefit our child, but alas - he was akin to the seed thrown to the ground that first sprouts up, but has no strong roots and subsequently dies when choked by the enemy's machinations.  Said machination being another woman, from his own country.  Who basically encouraged him to abandon his children and skip the country again, this time for good.  Sad, but true.  Which brings me to

DECEPTION

(once again, a warning for non-christians - this is my belief and does NOT necessarily reflect the beliefs of this site's moderators/owners.... :D)

When discussing the 'fall' of man, I find it most interesting when men blame said fall on 'the woman', in reality it was HIS personal choice to disobey GOD. Eve was deceived, but Adam can claim no such excuse, he willingly chose his to follow his wife, rather than to follow the GOD that created him first.  Amazing, is it not?

I'm afraid the ladies who frequent this site are not going to like the next bit, but oh well.  ???

The bible refers to women as the 'weaker vessel', and while that is certainly true of upper body physical strength  (unless you are a Bulgarian female weightlifter....) I believe that is true in relation to a woman's greater vulnerability to deception.  And not just to smooth-talking serpents in a garden.  (or serpents on a dance floor or at a political rally)

Why this is so I don't know, but I think it has more to do with the basic differences between men and women.  And it has been my experience that this is TRUE.  And it goes back to the verse you mentioned previously.....

"Two are better than one; because they have a good reward for their labor'.  For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow; but woe to him that is alone when he falleth; for he hath not another to help him up."  Ecclesiastes 4:9-10.
"And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken".  Ecclesiastes 4:12

If you read the record of the fall, the enemy targeted EVE, and therefore 'split' that cord between her, her husband, and GOD.  Had the serpent targeted ADAM alone, or the two together, maybe the results might have been different.  But he didn't. 

The same thing has happened in society, but the vast majority of people are so deceived, they don't see what is going on.   And/or they don't realize that it is a spiritual war that is being waged against them, not just an economic/physical one.

TPTB know they must split that threefold cord in order to destroy humanity  (because the god they worship has that as his goal), and thus they turn WOMAN against MAN, which weakens the relationship also between MAN and GOD.  Not mention the relationship between man and his family/offspring.

And so, we women are deceived into thinking that we don't NEED men anymore, and men are left feeling 'unnecessary' and 'unwanted', and basically just good for a meal ticket.  Which, in turn, just results in the inclination toward selfishness on their part.  Which then fuels the female disdain for them even more.   And it's a vicious cycle that continues to feed on itself......and TPTB cackle hysterically as their master's plan works to fruition.

What can be done?  Guess what MEN - You are the ones first "made in the image of GOD", and HE does not make mistakes. It is up to YOU to reclaim your rightful role in society, and in the family, and with GOD.  And for those who say there is no GOD, how can you (in your finite understanding of the universe) possibly claim that?  You are mortal, flesh and blood, and subject to disease, death, deception, mistakes in judgement,etc. The only way I can see that you can possibly assume your rightful position in this world is with the help of that second 'cord'.  The ONE who can pick you up when you fall. And since HIS chain of command in society starts with YOU, only you can affect change.  It is you who will be held accountable for your family, as HE has given you both the authority, and the responsibilty.  Will it be easy?  NO.  The descent into where we are now has been a long time in coming, and quite frankly, it can only be reversed when MEN make the decision to become the beings they were created to be.  And it is my belief that only HIS son will be able to help you do that.  Especially since there are many methods to their madness of EMASCULATING men....it is my opinion that only DIVINE help can counter those.

My past volunteer efforts with battered women's shelters, troubled teenagers, etc has only confirmed the IMPORTANCE of REAL MEN to society.  The difference between when women minister to the above vs when MEN minister to them is unbelievable.  When men are involved with the children, most of whom have never known real (ie, loving) fathers, the change in behavior is remarkable.  They are attentive, much better behaved, and overwhelmingly happier than when only women are present.  The importance of a positive MALE figure in a child's life is immeasurable.  How can anyone understand the concept of a loving heavenly FATHER, when they have never known any type of unconditional love from a male in their life?  Why do many young women from single mother backgrounds specifically gravitate towards older men? It may be the wrong kind of attention they end up with, but at least it's ATTENTION.  What about young men who follow the same pattern and end up in that lifestyle?  Because they crave male approval.  They are looking for what they are missing.....  A father. 

And to those women out there who think the only way they will ever have children is to have them on their own........Please don't do that to an innocent human being. You are wanting something for YOURSELF, and not thinking about the best thing for that child.  If your biological clock is ticking away and you do not have a husband to bring a child into the world, consider adopting one who is already in the world and is 'unwanted'.  A loving, single parent home is a better option than being shunted to foster home after foster home.  I have worked with children like that, and it is heartbreaking.

Men, if you are bemoaning the fact that 'AMERICAN WOMEN" are not 'marriage-worthy', you may be looking in the wrong place for those that are.  Women who are not promiscuous, who want to be loving wives and mothers, who recognize how important men are to the family unit, who want to be 'helpmates' to one man and who recognize the value of that role, who believe in loyalty,faithfulness, hard work and perseverance.......are not typically found in Bars.  And rarely online either.  Guess where they are?

But recognize that those type of women, are also looking for those 'type' of men.  And not men who just claim it with words.

Now, that I've made both men and woman mad............LET the FLAME WARS begin!!!! :D :D

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #59 on: February 09, 2014, 04:45:14 AM »
And here an anti-feminist blogger and writer explains: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzNN42bJUkw

Naturally I disagree with the notion that men should avoid marriage -- and therefore bringing children into the world.  However, this woman hits the nail on the head in regards to why so many males feel that marriage and family are both to be avoided. 

Maybe polygamy is ultimately the answer so the men who are not too timid to give it a shot can be the ones supplying the genes for the next generation.

Thank you for your post! Any woman or man who is interested in freedom should make themselves familliar with Karen Straughan's YouTube posts and her contribution to Honey Badger Radio.

Personally I am against "marriage" as it currently exists in western society. The government has no business licencing my relationship. If I can't honour a private contract that I make with another person, how is a government contract or religious ceremony going to make me a better person and any more likely to be faithful?

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #60 on: February 09, 2014, 01:15:35 PM »
Now, that I've made both men and woman mad............LET the FLAME WARS begin!!!! :D :D

Not angry. More like deeply saddened. I needed to read your post several times slowly. Still need to read it againÖ

- The lyrics from Jethro Tullís ďThick As a BrickĒ immediately came to mind. Written in 1972. What are we seeing now?

My words but a whisper -- your deafness a shout.
I may make you feel but I can't make you think.
Your sperms in the gutter -- your loves in the sink.
So you ride yourselves over the fields and
You make all your animal deals and
Your wise men don't know how it feels to be thick as a brick.
And the sand-castle virtues are all swept away in
The tidal destruction
The moral melee.
The elastic retreat rings the close of play as the last wave uncovers
The newfangled way.


- Then I thought of this manís post. He looks back on his life Ė his relations between friends and family. At this point, heís watching people around him die.

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Thanks guys.

Please do cherish those that are close to you and be a little more forgiving of their small problems.

You realize just how small they are when time runs out to fix them. Members of my family did not talk to each other for years for the stupidest stuff. A bunch of hard head Irish folk

My only living aunt will not talk to me for more than a few semi insulting minutes because I did not go to my father's funeral. A funeral he expressly asked not to have in a church he did not want it in and he completely understood my aversion to all funerals. He would be very upset with my aunt for treating me this way over HIS unwanted funeral. This has gone on since 1989  

She is 77 now and I am 61. Based on family history I could keel over any time and she is the only member of her generation of either side of of my family to make it past 60. She would rather feel smug in her righteous indignation rather than either understand why or just let it go.

It is dumb for friends to stay mad at each other over little stuff.I have been making it a point to make sure each of my friends left know how I feel about them and make sure the little stuff is cleared up. Now down to the one waiting for a heart transplant and a few here in TN that I have met in the last 10 years.

Life is just too darn short for us to spend it mad and that applies to the folks here as well. If you think I have stepped on your toes and was wrong please let me know we can work it out


People talk about coming from a dysfunctional family. But, at this point, Iíd say that we are a dysfunctional NATION. And itís spreading across the globe. Both men and women have been subject to relentless evil conditioning over such a long period of time, that I donít see us as simply digging ourselves out of this alone through our own efforts.

All the spells need to be broken. All the lies need to be exposed. They are legion.

Maybe we do need to experience financial collapse and third-world status before thereís a massive change of heart.

In the meantime, I know of a handful, HANDFUL, of men locally that recognize this enough to ask the question, ďWhat are we to do?Ē

Thank you for your candor, your insight, and your post.
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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #61 on: February 09, 2014, 03:14:29 PM »
Not angry. More like deeply saddened. I needed to read your post several times slowly. Still need to read it againÖ

- The lyrics from Jethro Tullís ďThick As a BrickĒ immediately came to mind. Written in 1972. What are we seeing now?

My words but a whisper -- your deafness a shout.
I may make you feel but I can't make you think.
Your sperms in the gutter -- your loves in the sink.
So you ride yourselves over the fields and
You make all your animal deals and
Your wise men don't know how it feels to be thick as a brick.
And the sand-castle virtues are all swept away in
The tidal destruction
The moral melee.
The elastic retreat rings the close of play as the last wave uncovers
The newfangled way.



Wow. Totally love Jethro Tull.  Forgot how poignant some of their lyrics are.  I really miss some of that music. Todays teenagers and young adults are growing up with such garbage being passed off as music.  But then again, that's part of the plan as well.

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« Reply #62 on: February 09, 2014, 03:53:18 PM »
Wow. Totally love Jethro Tull.  Forgot how poignant some of their lyrics are.  I really miss some of that music. Todays teenagers and young adults are growing up with such garbage being passed off as music.  But then again, that's part of the plan as well.

A few of us that still remember music before industry executives intentionally altered it. They had investments in the then, future privatized prison system. They chased after temporary wealth and chose to ignore how it would affect the population.

Now the RIAA is just known for running around and suing everybody. What a waste.
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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #63 on: February 09, 2014, 03:57:13 PM »
Thank you for your post! Any woman or man who is interested in freedom should make themselves familliar with Karen Straughan's YouTube posts and her contribution to Honey Badger Radio.

Personally I am against "marriage" as it currently exists in western society. The government has no business licencing my relationship. If I can't honour a private contract that I make with another person, how is a government contract or religious ceremony going to make me a better person and any more likely to be faithful?

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I think that you can 'marry' in your own private way, in your own words, without government say so.  Or any 'religious' interference.  However, I shouldn't then expect any 'government' organization or entity to recognize such, and therefore you should not expect to receive any 'official' legality (or any government benefit of such legality) with such a contract.  That would just be between you and that other person.  That this would entail certain legal issues upon your death, or the death of that person should be understood.  And especially if there are offspring of such a 'contract'.   People live together all the time now, with no 'legal' marriages, the problem comes when those type of arrangements fail.  If men and women actually 'honored' such contracts between themselves, then this discussion would not be necessary, would it? But people change.  A contract or committent viewed in the religious context is because those two individuals have not just made a 'vow' or promise to each other, but also to the entity they claim to believe in.  Maybe they feel that this adds an additional level to their promise to each other.
Marriage was instituted because that is the best possible environment for the procreation and survival of human beings into adulthood. Mother and Father bringing up their offspring.  Otherwise, why would it be necessary for there to be both male and female for human reproduction?  And marriage was also necessary as security/protection for the female human. The religious aspect of marriage recognizes such.

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #64 on: February 09, 2014, 05:02:56 PM »
...if I'm not happy with myself, how can anybody else be happy if they're with me?...

 Does that make sense?


Perfectly. There are married people that don't realize what you just said.

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There's stuff that's gotta be inside of both people or I don't think it's going to work.

Insightful statement. I think you're on the right path.

Thank you for contributing your thoughts on this very important (imo) topic. The ripple effect is profound.
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« Reply #65 on: February 09, 2014, 06:46:22 PM »
LET the FLAME WARS begin!!!! :D :D

No flaming from me. I applaud you on the wisdom contained in your post.

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« Reply #66 on: February 10, 2014, 12:18:33 AM »
@White Rose Sophie - Couple of questions if I may.

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I had a 'relationship' with GOD, Ö but I was not really 'saved' then.

Could you expand on that a bit? How can one have a relationship but not be saved? What was happening?

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Öand thus they turn WOMAN against MAN, which weakens the relationship also between MAN and GOD.

How does that work? Is it because the man becomes preoccupied with pleasing the wife?
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« Reply #67 on: February 10, 2014, 02:53:52 AM »
@White Rose Sophie - Couple of questions if I may.

Could you expand on that a bit? How can one have a relationship but not be saved? What was happening?

How does that work? Is it because the man becomes preoccupied with pleasing the wife?

Could you expand on that a bit? How can one have a relationship but not be saved? What was happening?

As a child (age 10) I had come forward in a church, made a profession of faith and been baptized.  Was I saved at that point?  I don't know, because I don't believe that I understood the concept of 'sin', or the consequences of it or the need for a savior.  I felt the 'urge' to come forward and did.  That is what I meant by having a 'relationship' with GOD. I went to vacation Bible school, I did pray occasionally, and was interested in "bible things", but did not actually read it for myself.  However, I do feel that his hand was upon my life at that point.  Was I an 'obedient' Christian?  No, I wasn't.  But HIS presence was still there, unfortunately only in the 'background' but still there.  There was a battle going on, because I then became interested in things like witchcraft, the occult, etc.....  I do think that people who start delving into those areas are actually people who feel powerless in their lives, and are looking for some sort of deliverance or release from that.  My childhood was an unfortunate one and I felt powerless to do anything about it.  I could easily have gone to the 'dark side', but GOD kept me from doing that, even though I didn't realize it at the time.  Looking back, I see how many times he rescued me from utter catastrophe, even though I was not fully committed to him.

How does that work? Is it because the man becomes preoccupied with pleasing the wife?

Yes, his loyalty becomes divided.  Instead of his first priority being pleasing GOD, it becomes pleasing his wife.  ADAM did it, and mankind fell into sin.  Men do it, for example, when they go along with their wife's desire to abort their child.  This is in direct violation of a commandment, and the problem is that by doing so, a wedge is driven between GOD and man.   As well as between a man and his wife, because in doing so, he is enabling her sin as well.  Having worked with post-abortive women, it eventually comes out that this act not only destroys a human being, but also will work on destroying the man-woman relationship as well.  You would be astonished to learn how many women eventually confess that they wish their husband/boyfriend, etc would have OBJECTED to the abortion, but did not.  And subsequently lost respect for that man, even though THEY claimed to want it!  I was flabbergasted - it's as if they instinctively wanted their man to stand his ground and FIGHT for that child's life.  In short - BE a man, and true to a man's role as protector.  Crazy, but true.  Who said we (women) are logical?   ???  Once again, going back to the 'Deception' issue, and how vulnerable women are to it.

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #68 on: February 10, 2014, 05:00:20 AM »
 Men are hardwired to act on Logic first and Emotion second.

 Women are hardwired to act on Emotions first and Logic second.

Today; both Men & Women are having hardwire problems, which in turn has short circuited Marriage .
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« Reply #69 on: February 10, 2014, 01:21:32 PM »
Could you expand on that a bit? How can one have a relationship but not be saved? What was happening?

As a child (age 10) I had come forward in a church, made a profession of faith and been baptized.  Was I saved at that point?  I don't know, because I don't believe that I understood the concept of 'sin', or the consequences of it or the need for a savior.  I felt the 'urge' to come forward and did.  That is what I meant by having a 'relationship' with GOD. I went to vacation Bible school, I did pray occasionally, and was interested in "bible things", but did not actually read it for myself.  However, I do feel that his hand was upon my life at that point.  Was I an 'obedient' Christian?  No, I wasn't.  But HIS presence was still there, unfortunately only in the 'background' but still there.  There was a battle going on, because I then became interested in things like witchcraft, the occult, etc.....  I do think that people who start delving into those areas are actually people who feel powerless in their lives, and are looking for some sort of deliverance or release from that.  My childhood was an unfortunate one and I felt powerless to do anything about it.  I could easily have gone to the 'dark side', but GOD kept me from doing that, even though I didn't realize it at the time.  Looking back, I see how many times he rescued me from utter catastrophe, even though I was not fully committed to him.

How does that work? Is it because the man becomes preoccupied with pleasing the wife?

Yes, his loyalty becomes divided.  Instead of his first priority being pleasing GOD, it becomes pleasing his wife.  ADAM did it, and mankind fell into sin.  Men do it, for example, when they go along with their wife's desire to abort their child.  This is in direct violation of a commandment, and the problem is that by doing so, a wedge is driven between GOD and man.   As well as between a man and his wife, because in doing so, he is enabling her sin as well.  Having worked with post-abortive women, it eventually comes out that this act not only destroys a human being, but also will work on destroying the man-woman relationship as well.  You would be astonished to learn how many women eventually confess that they wish their husband/boyfriend, etc would have OBJECTED to the abortion, but did not.  And subsequently lost respect for that man, even though THEY claimed to want it!  I was flabbergasted - it's as if they instinctively wanted their man to stand his ground and FIGHT for that child's life.  In short - BE a man, and true to a man's role as protector.  Crazy, but true.  Who said we (women) are logical?   ???  Once again, going back to the 'Deception' issue, and how vulnerable women are to it.

Thank you ma'am. Sounds like there really is such thing as a trick question coming from the wife. It's not just a myth.
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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #70 on: February 11, 2014, 06:02:07 AM »
Men are hardwired to act on Logic first and Emotion second.

 Women are hardwired to act on Emotions first and Logic second.

Today; both Men & Women are having hardwire problems, which in turn has short circuited Marriage .

There is also another difference.  Men are hardwired to compete for women but also cooperate for optimal survival but women are hardwired to cooperate with other women and build society.  This may explain why the Cherokee were so successful as women ruled society in times of peace and men in times of war.  In our society today these differences are attacked by social engineers who tell us that men should enjoy a clean house and shopping as much as women and women should enjoy fighting games and being on top as much as men.  Both genders lose out when this artificial social norm is thrown at them.

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« Reply #71 on: February 11, 2014, 10:00:50 AM »
There is also another difference.  Men are hardwired to compete for women but also cooperate for optimal survival but women are hardwired to cooperate with other women and build society.  This may explain why the Cherokee were so successful as women ruled society in times of peace and men in times of war.  In our society today these differences are attacked by social engineers who tell us that men should enjoy a clean house and shopping as much as women and women should enjoy fighting games and being on top as much as men.  Both genders lose out when this artificial social norm is thrown at them.
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« Reply #72 on: February 11, 2014, 10:36:48 AM »
"Why are American men avoiding marriage?"

As people wax theoretical about the answer to that question, the elephant in the room continues to be economic insecurity.

Mike Judge figured this out years ago...

    Trevor: "Having kids is such an important decision."

    Carol "We're just waiting for the right time. It's not something you want to rush into, obviously."

    Trevor: "No way."

    {...}

    Carol: "There's no way we could have a child now. Not with the market the way it is, no."

    Trevor: "No, that just wouldn't make any sense."

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #73 on: February 11, 2014, 11:15:06 AM »
"Why are American men avoiding marriage?"

As people wax theoretical about the answer to that question, the elephant in the room continues to be economic insecurity.

Mike Judge figured this out years ago...

    Trevor: "Having kids is such an important decision."

    Carol "We're just waiting for the right time. It's not something you want to rush into, obviously."

    Trevor: "No way."

    {...}

    Carol: "There's no way we could have a child now. Not with the market the way it is, no."

    Trevor: "No, that just wouldn't make any sense."

many men fear child support and alimony.

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« Reply #74 on: February 11, 2014, 11:02:55 PM »
"Why are American men avoiding marriage?"

As people wax theoretical about the answer to that question, the elephant in the room continues to be economic insecurity.

Mike Judge figured this out years ago...

    Trevor: "Having kids is such an important decision."

    Carol "We're just waiting for the right time. It's not something you want to rush into, obviously."

    Trevor: "No way."

    {...}

    Carol: "There's no way we could have a child now. Not with the market the way it is, no."

    Trevor: "No, that just wouldn't make any sense."


Note, the couple that you are referencing from the beginning of "Ideocracy" were used as an example of stupidity and irony of "smart" people delaying having kids and thus allowing dumb people to expand and thwart human evolutionary progress.


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« Reply #76 on: February 12, 2014, 03:13:06 AM »
There is also another difference.  Men are hardwired to compete for women but also cooperate for optimal survival but women are hardwired to cooperate with other women and build society.  This may explain why the Cherokee were so successful as women ruled society in times of peace and men in times of war.  In our society today these differences are attacked by social engineers who tell us that men should enjoy a clean house and shopping as much as women and women should enjoy fighting games and being on top as much as men.  Both genders lose out when this artificial social norm is thrown at them.
Truthful points my friend  8); and I concur. The ancient traditions work best for Men and Women; thus in turn the children are raise with Dad, Mom, and LOVE: which in its' pure form, is GOD!!!
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« Reply #77 on: February 12, 2014, 03:25:07 PM »
Truthful points my friend  8); and I concur. The ancient traditions work best for Men and Women; thus in turn the children are raise with Dad, Mom, and LOVE: which in its' pure form, is GOD!!!

Yet in our society today anything is supposed to be respected as a choice except to choose to live a traditional lifestyle.

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #78 on: February 12, 2014, 03:55:22 PM »
DING!! DING!!! DING!!!  You won the bonus round!!! :D

My child's father and I married when I was 20 years old and living in a foreign country.  And the man I married, was NOT the man who would later abandon both our child, and the lovely child he had with ex-wife #2 - who HE had custody of!!!!

In answer to your question - I had no father, no brothers, no male family members to assess his 'compatibility' to me, other than family friends.  And we were together for over 2 years, and everyone liked him very much.

People change, and not always for the best.  And to be perfectly honest, I accept the majority of the blame for our estrangement.....even though he was the one who divorced me.    Yes, he was unfaithful, but that can be forgiven because there is usually fault on both sides when infidelity occurs, as long as there is communication, and a willingness to try and work things out.  Would he have tried to work out the problem had there not been a girlfriend to run to?  I don't know because I didn't know she was in the picture until later.  Of course, THAT marriage didn't work out for him either, as SHE cheated on HIM.  What goes around.........

Anyway, you bring up a good point, and after the dissolution of that marriage, I did try "online' dating, etc.  Unfortunately, for some reason....people LIE. I have found that typically men will lie about their income,or their real spiritual beliefs,  or will say whatever they think you want to hear. Women will usually lie about their age, or their weight...hahahahaha
I never had a problem securing interest, but as a Christian woman with a small child (at the time) I had very high standards.  What is amazing is that I found very little difference between the morals of most "Christian" men I dated and someone that I might meet in a bar!  As a matter of fact, at least in a BAR, you expect to be 'hit on' for sex' so it didn't come as a surprise, but it certainly did in a 'church' setting. Especially in a church 'leadership' position.  No wonder so many people get turned off by 'religious' people - they claim belief in one standard, but practice another!

Which comes to my next point about the whole 'avoidance' of marriage by American men.

Why buy the cow when the milk is free?   ??? ???

And that, LADIES, is your issue.  The easier it is to have something....the more the value of it decreases. Sorry, but that's true of anything.  If most golfers could hit a hole-in-one every game...guess what?   A hole in one then basically means nothing.  If a woman values herself so little that she has sex with everyone she dates.......guess what?  That act really has little value anymore.  And most men (if they were honest) would probably NOT want that woman to be the mother of their children. Why?  Well, DUH - if she was so easy to get in bed with me......(male thinking)

Our controllers (the NWO) have so convinced us that something that GOD created to be beautiful and sacred and mind-blowing between two people that love, trust  and have made a committment to each other.....is nothing more than pure 'animal' instincts.  The very act that creates human life is now so cheap, so easily had, so 'ordinary', that people who just do it because it 'feels good' are the NORM.  Any wonder there are so many abortions, child abuse tragedies, etc in our society - there shouldn't be.  After all....if the 'biological'  act that creates life is so debased, the results of that act will be as well.  It's not a 'human being'.....it's a CHOICE, right?

Which leads us into:

NEXT INSTALLMENT - "DECEPTION"
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Well I am going on 42 and I have never been married.  Many people think that is strange cuz many of them are on marriage 2 or 3.  Me I have always been able to see warning signs of why a relationship would never work.  Not that I am any Neil Clark Warren or Dr. Phil.  However whenever I predicted a friend's relationship would fail or a family member's I was usually right.

My last ex dumped me cuz she had hyper-tension and me going on about politics got to her.  Other than that we more than could have been happy.  I am into politics now cuz of the great threat the NWO is.  Other than that I would pay it as little heed as a sporting event.  The problem is that the elections are rigged with the 2 globalist party system.  That is why I fight the way I do.  The sad thing was she was in the Navy, I thought defending the Constitution was within her nature.   I guess if there was a paycheck and no stress involved.

There are just some people who have no business being parents.

Offline iamc2

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Re: Why American men are avoiding marriage.
« Reply #79 on: February 12, 2014, 10:59:06 PM »
Well I am going on 42 and I have never been married.  Many people think that is strange cuz many of them are on marriage 2 or 3.  Me I have always been able to see warning signs of why a relationship would never work.  Not that I am any Neil Clark Warren or Dr. Phil.  However whenever I predicted a friend's relationship would fail or a family member's I was usually right.

My last ex dumped me cuz she had hyper-tension and me going on about politics got to her.  Other than that we more than could have been happy.  I am into politics now cuz of the great threat the NWO is.  Other than that I would pay it as little heed as a sporting event.  The problem is that the elections are rigged with the 2 globalist party system.  That is why I fight the way I do.  The sad thing was she was in the Navy, I thought defending the Constitution was within her nature.   I guess if there was a paycheck and no stress involved.

There are just some people who have no business being parents.
Not Being married isn't 'strange.' For some folks it just doesn't work. An old saying is 'there is someone for everyone' if you are looking!

Your line: "There are just some people who have no business being parents" is Very True and I know many; and it is sad and tragic.
"When the Truth was murdered:
Common Sense ran away..."