"Just playing politics" -- The Swiss Army Knife of Excuses?

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"Just playing politics" -- The Swiss Army Knife of Excuses?
« on: January 30, 2014, 08:17:25 PM »
When Obama was in the U.S. Senate, he voted to reauthorize Bush's "Patriot" Act:

     https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/109-2006/s29

Years later, while still a U.S. Senator, Obama voted to legalize warrantless wiretapping after saying he wouldn't:

     http://www.infowars.com/lib-dems-disappointed-with-obamas-fisa-betrayal/

In the Summer and early Fall of 2008, whenever these facts were brought to the attention of Obama cultists, the Pavlovian response was always the same: "He's just playing politics."

Now, if this was an invalid excuse when employed by Obama liberals in defense of their favorite politician, does it magically cease to be an invalid excuse when employed by Tea Party conservatives in defense of their favorite politician?
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

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The American Freedom Agenda Act
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2014, 09:41:01 PM »
In the 2010 midterm election, multiple Tea Party-backed Republicans (Mike Lee, Rand Paul, Ron Johnson, etc.) were elected to the U.S. Congress.

In the 2012 election, still more Tea Party-backed Republicans (Ted Yoho, Ted Cruz, Brad Wenstrup, etc.) were elected to the U.S. Congress.

Now, we all know why Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, Hilldog and other pro-war/pro-police state/pro-fractional reserve banking Democrats oppose the American Freedom Agenda Act.

-- http://antiwar.com/paul/?articleid=11790

-- http://911truth.org/article.php?story=20071026194436401

-- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/finally-action-ron-paul-i_b_69042.html

But would someone please explain to me why, after all this time in office, not a single "Tea Party" Republican has promoted that bill?

Aren't those two groups supposed to be "opposites"?
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

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The American Sovereignty Restoration Act
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2014, 09:53:17 PM »
We all know why Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, Hilldog and other pro-war/pro-police state/pro-fractional reserve banking Democrats oppose the American Sovereignty Restoration Act.

-- http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.R.1146:

-- http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2005-03-08/html/CREC-2005-03-08-pt1-PgE381-3.htm

But would someone please explain to me why, after all this time in office, not a single "Tea Party" Republican has promoted that bill?

Aren't those two groups supposed to be "opposites"?
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

http://schalkenbach.org
http://www.monetary.org
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The NEED Act
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2014, 10:08:36 PM »
We all know why Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, Hilldog and other pro-war/pro-police state/pro-fractional reserve banking Democrats oppose the NEED Act.

--  http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.2990.IH:

--  http://www.monetary.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/HR-2990.pdf

--  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-zarlenga/sequesters-shutdowns-and-_b_4086071.html

But would someone please explain to me why, after all this time in office, not a single "Tea Party" Republican has promoted that bill?

Aren't those two groups supposed to be "opposites"?
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

http://schalkenbach.org
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Re: "Just playing politics" -- The Swiss Army Knife of Excuses?
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2014, 10:20:08 PM »
Is there anyone so naive or blinded by hero worship as to think that the Eight Families (aka the "ruling elite") actually feel more threatened when a politically ambitious Republican politician says something bad about one of their Democratic Party puppets than they are when an enlightened politician sponsors and promotes one or more of the aforementioned bills?
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

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Re: "Just playing politics" -- The Swiss Army Knife of Excuses?
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2014, 11:17:42 PM »
When Obama was in the U.S. Senate, he voted to reauthorize Bush's "Patriot" Act:

     https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/109-2006/s29

Years later, while still a U.S. Senator, Obama voted to legalize warrantless wiretapping after saying he wouldn't:

     http://www.infowars.com/lib-dems-disappointed-with-obamas-fisa-betrayal/

In the Summer and early Fall of 2008, whenever these facts were brought to the attention of Obama cultists, the Pavlovian response was always the same: "He's just playing politics."

Now, if this was an invalid excuse when employed by Obama liberals in defense of their favorite politician, does it magically cease to be an invalid excuse when employed by Tea Party conservatives in defense of their favorite politician?

I think it's sad that so many people can so easily throw their own beliefs away. That's what I feel a person does if they voice their beliefs how wrong something is when one set of people does something but their beliefs completely disappear when their side comes to bat. Look up at the ceiling, pick your nose, shrug your shoulders and say "Just playing the game.", it's the same garbage. A sports team mentality* makes people just sit down, shut up and just plaster a fake smile on their face. Meanwhile the same crap you hated before is still happening.

*And also want to compare it to having a school yard crush as well. "I'm too busy doodling this person's name all over my notebook instead of voicing my thoughts about the same shit happening. I'm just too in love to care or notice that all the "differences" between all these political parties are all just an illusion.

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Re: "Just playing politics" -- The Swiss Army Knife of Excuses?
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2014, 05:14:16 AM »
And also want to compare it to having a school yard crush as well. "I'm too busy doodling this person's name all over my notebook instead of voicing my thoughts about the same shit happening. I'm just too in love to care or notice that all the "differences" between all these political parties are all just an illusion.

Never quite thought of it from the "school yard crush" angle, but your analogy makes perfect sense.
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

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Re: "Just playing politics" -- The Swiss Army Knife of Excuses?
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2014, 06:07:16 AM »
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Re: "Just playing politics" -- The Swiss Army Knife of Excuses?
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2014, 11:09:24 AM »
"Now, if this was an invalid excuse when employed by Obama liberals in defense of their favorite politician, does it magically cease to be an invalid excuse when employed by Tea Party conservatives in defense of their favorite politician?"


 No and the reality is that it is large majority of Americans are neither republican or democrat. They are not going to tell you about these statistics on the TV, radio or claimed free internet alternative media. 

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The Internet Freedom Preservation Act
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2014, 07:07:02 PM »
We all know why Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, Hilldog and other pro-war/pro-police state/pro-fractional reserve banking Democrats oppose the Internet Freedom Preservation Act.

-- http://www.freepress.net/release/336

-- http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.5353:

But would someone please explain to me why, after all this time in office, not a single "Tea Party" Republican has promoted that bill?

Aren't those two groups supposed to be "opposites"?
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

http://schalkenbach.org
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Re: "Just playing politics" -- The Swiss Army Knife of Excuses?
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2014, 08:46:45 PM »
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The Ending Federal Marijuana Prohibition Act
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2014, 04:23:08 AM »
We all know why Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, Hilldog and other pro-war/pro-police state/pro-fractional reserve banking Democrats oppose the Ending Federal Marijuana Prohibition Act.

-- http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.2306:

-- http://norml.org/component/zoo/category/end-federal-marijuana-prohibition

-- https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr499

But would someone please explain to me why, after all this time in office, not a single "Tea Party" Republican has promoted that bill?

Aren't those two groups supposed to be "opposites"?
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

http://schalkenbach.org
http://www.monetary.org
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The Genetically Engineered Food Right to Know Act
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2014, 10:24:29 AM »
We all know why Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, Hilldog and other pro-war/pro-police state/pro-fractional reserve banking Democrats oppose the Genetically Engineered Food Right to Know Act.

-- https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr3553

-- http://www.progress.org/tpr/genetically-engineered-food-right-to-know-act-2/

But would someone please explain to me why, after all this time in office, not a single "Tea Party" Republican has promoted that bill?

Aren't those two groups supposed to be "opposites"?
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

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The Voter Freedom Act and the Freedom Debate Act
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2014, 04:21:25 PM »
We all know why Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, Hilldog and other pro-war/pro-police state/pro-fractional reserve banking Democrats oppose both the Voter Freedom Act...

-- http://archive.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul194.html

-- http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-110hr3600ih/pdf/BILLS-110hr3600ih.pdf

...and the Freedom Debate Act:

-- http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c105:H.R.2478.IH:

But would someone please explain to me why, after all this time in office, not a single "Tea Party" Republican has promoted either of those bills?

Aren't those two groups supposed to be "opposites"?
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

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Surveillance State Repeal Act
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2014, 11:09:28 AM »
We all know why Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, Hilldog and other pro-war/pro-police state/pro-fractional reserve banking Democrats oppose the Surveillance State Repeal Act.

-- https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr2818/text

-- http://news.antiwar.com/2013/07/25/rep-holt-introduces-surveillance-state-repeal-act/

But would someone please explain to me why, after all this time in office, not a single "Tea Party" Republican has promoted that bill?

Aren't those two groups supposed to be "opposites"?
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

http://schalkenbach.org
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The American Traveler Dignity Act
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2014, 12:21:32 PM »
We all know why Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, Hilldog and other pro-war/pro-police state/pro-fractional reserve banking Democrats oppose the American Traveler Dignity Act.

-- http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.2438.IH:

-- http://www.infowars.com/stop-tsa-molestation-ron-paul-introduces-american-traveler-dignity-act-of-2011/

But would someone please explain to me why, after all this time in office, not a single "Tea Party" Republican has promoted that bill?

Aren't those two groups supposed to be "opposites"?
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

http://schalkenbach.org
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http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=203330.0

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Re: "Just playing politics" -- The Swiss Army Knife of Excuses?
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2014, 02:59:18 PM »
After decades of observing and interacting with lesser-evil voters, I've learned that all of them -- "liberal" and "conservative" alike -- are infected with an intellectual disease known as selective amnesia.

I'll leave it to others to cite obvious examples of people who continuously vote Democratic doing this.

What I'd like to focus attention on is the ongoing gullibility of those who "hold their noses" and vote Republican every single election, regardless of how many 3rd party candidates are on the ballot, and regardless of how superior those candidates are to the two "major" candidates.

Millions of people, myself included, are understandably upset about all of the police state measures currently in place.

Yet due to the aforementioned amnesia, an alarming number of "conservatives" and right-leaning "libertarians" seem to think that the lesser-evil voting that got us into this mess in the first place will some how magically get us out of it.

To those individuals I pose the following questions.

Of the two banker-owned major parties, which one controlled both Congress and the White House when the "Patriot" Act was passed?

       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EiY7AarMoI

Which one controlled both Congress and the White House when the Homeland "Security" Act was passed?

       http://www.antiwar.com/paul/paul54.html

Which one controlled both Congress and the White House when the Military Commissions Act was passed?

       http://www.infowars.com/articles/alex/jones_rense_official_dictatorship.htm

Which one controlled both Congress and the White House when the John Warner Defense Authorization Act was passed?

       http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/martial_law_bush_moves_toward_martial_law.htm

Which one controlled both Congress and the White House when the false flag terror attacks of 9/11 happened?

       http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/analysis/anomalies.html

    "America’s fate was sealed when the public and the anti-war movement bought the government’s 9/11 conspiracy theory. The government’s account of 9/11 is contradicted by much evidence. Nevertheless, this defining event of our time, which has launched the US on interminable wars of aggression and a domestic police state, is a taboo topic for investigation in the media. It is pointless to complain of war and a police state when one accepts the premise upon which they are based." -- Paul Craig Roberts

See my point?

We already know why authoritarian Democrats aren't calling for the repeal of any of these treasonous bills.

But if "Tea Party" Republicans are such friggin heroes, then why are they equally silent on the urgent need to eliminate -- not "reform," not "audit," eliminate -- each and every one of those measures?

They certainly have the political "courage" to devote numerous hours of their limited time to promoting the imposition of IMF shock therapy on the poor and the unemployed...

       http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=196128.120

Why not this?
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

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The Paper Ballot Act
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2014, 08:53:41 PM »
We all know why Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, Hilldog and other pro-war/pro-police state/pro-fractional reserve banking Democrats oppose the Paper Ballot Act.

-- http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.6200:

-- http://www.petitiononline.com/hndcount/petition.html

-- http://www.votersunite.org/takeaction/handcounted.asp

-- http://hackingdemocracy.com

But would someone please explain to me why, after all this time in office, not a single "Tea Party" Republican has promoted that bill?

Aren't those two groups supposed to be "opposites"?
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

http://schalkenbach.org
http://www.monetary.org
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=203330.0

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H.R. 4759 -- A bill to withdraw the United States from NAFTA
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2014, 08:39:08 PM »
H.R. 4759 -- To provide for the withdrawal of the United States from the North American Free Trade Agreement:

-- http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.4759:

-- http://www.wnd.com/2010/03/127641/

It goes without saying that Wall Street Democrats have done nothing to promote this bill since it was introduced several years ago.

But would someone please explain to me why the silence from "Tea Party" Republicans has been equally deafening -- particularly since the 2010 midterms?

Once again, aren't those two groups supposed to be "opposites"?
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

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Re: "Just playing politics" -- The Swiss Army Knife of Excuses?
« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2014, 04:49:39 AM »
Is the reason why so few people seem even remotely interested in issue-based politics (as opposed to either personality- or party-based politics) is that it spoils the fun of treating politics as just another spectator sport?



"Go, Obama, go! Go, Obama, go!"

"Go, Rand, go! Go, Rand, go!"

"Go, Hilldog, go! Go, Hilldog, go!"

"Go, Ted, go! Go, Ted, go!"

::)
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

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Re: "Just playing politics" -- The Swiss Army Knife of Excuses?
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2014, 09:47:12 PM »
Is the reason why so few people seem even remotely interested in issue-based politics (as opposed to either personality- or party-based politics) is that it spoils the fun of treating politics as just another spectator sport?



"Go, Obama, go! Go, Obama, go!"

"Go, Rand, go! Go, Rand, go!"

"Go, Hilldog, go! Go, Hilldog, go!"

"Go, Ted, go! Go, Ted, go!"

::)

Yeah, I do think it's a sports team mentality for the most part. But I have to point out the "boring" and "depressing" parts as well. I get the feeling that's why a lot of people tune out as well. I don't mean to be light with my comparison...but compare it to throwing some wild and crazy party. Very few would be sitting there thinking "Don't go too crazy. We don't want the house to be completely wrecked. Think about the clean up jobs we'll have to do!" Most people would just be jazzed at going to the party and having fun. "Don't bring me down talking about the clean up job when we haven't even had the party yet!" There's one goal in mind and that's to party.

Yes, I realize this is way more important than a party. This is nitty gritty, this is stuff that will impact your life in so many ways. Everybody should be paying attention to the issues instead of blowing it off, sweeping it under the rug. No excuses should be made. Because cleaning up a wrecked house after a crazy party will definitely be more easier than cleaning up a system that has collapsed like a house of cards.

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Re: The Ending Federal Marijuana Prohibition Act
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2014, 05:01:03 PM »
In light of the discussion Alex had earlier today with Maria Green and Steve Green...

We all know why Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, Hilldog and other pro-war/pro-police state/pro-fractional reserve banking Democrats oppose the Ending Federal Marijuana Prohibition Act.

-- http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.2306:

-- http://norml.org/component/zoo/category/end-federal-marijuana-prohibition

-- https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr499

But would someone please explain to me why, after all this time in office, not a single "Tea Party" Republican has promoted that bill?

Aren't those two groups supposed to be "opposites"?
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

http://schalkenbach.org
http://www.monetary.org
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=203330.0

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Re: "Just playing politics" -- The Swiss Army Knife of Excuses?
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2014, 03:42:24 PM »
http://www.prisonplanet.com/happy-new-year-obama-signs-ndaa-indefinite-detention-now-law-of-the-land.html

Happy New Year: Obama Signs NDAA, Indefinite Detention Now Law of the Land

President signs authorization to indefinitely detain, torture and deny trial to Americans; grants power to all future presidents.

Aaron Dykes & Alex Jones
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January 1, 2012

Indeed it is a new day. Ushering in the New Year, President Obama signed legislation that helps to further destroy the principles the nation was founded upon.

President Obama, who pledged to veto the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), has now signed it. Of course, his promise was only for public consumption. After all, lying to your enemy is what invading corporate takeover armies do. It was the Obama administration all along that demanded the indefinite detention provisions be added while at the same time telling the American people he was fighting to protect their rights. This is treason on parade, in your face all out despotism– that is, for those paying any attention!

In this video is Alex Jones’ reaction to the bill and Obama’s accompanying signing statement:

       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdxXhn3We7U

As the Associated Press reports, the President signed the bill on Saturday “despite having ‘serious reservations’ about provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation and prosecution of suspected terrorists.”

However, those reservations have nothing to do with the rights of the people under the Constitution and Bill of Rights that he swore to protect– rather, his reservations dealt with changes that “challenged the president’s terrorism-fighting ability.” He reportedly accepted the legislation only after such impedance was removed.

Instead, it was a deceptive maneuver to appear wary of such powers when the White House demanded it all along. In fact, Obama’s veto threat was always about that issue– the language over Section 1022 and NOT the authorization for the indefinite detention of Americans in Section 1021. Rather, it was a debate over “requiring” military protocol on detention rather than leaving the discretion over whether to detain to the executive branch, under the power of the Presidency.

Yesterday, with a friendly note, Obama issued a signing statement that read:

    “Moving forward, my administration will interpret and implement the provisions described below in a manner that best preserves the flexibility on which our safety depends and upholds the values on which this country was founded.”

Despite positioning himself in the signing statement as cautious towards the rights of the individuals in the nation, the President has just signed into law a provision that threatens the right of every American to due process, and a public trial with a jury. Instead, he has handed over grotesque authority to himself and EVERY President that comes after him, whatever their intentions might be.

Obama’s signing statement later states:

    "Moreover, I want to clarify that my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens. Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a Nation."

Even if Obama’s stated intention here is true, it is no guarantee of the attitudes and interpretations of future presidents, or of the intent of their power advisors, many of whom operate the national security shadow network. Instead, it is yet another Constitution-destroying, power-grabbing so-called law.

The ACLU, too, warns about this deception:

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http://www.prisonplanet.com/obamas-ndaa-signing-statement-is-meaningless.html

Obama’s NDAA Signing Statement Is Meaningless

Administration itself demanded power to detain American citizens without trial

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones
Prison Planet.com
Monday, January 2, 2012

Barack Obama’s signing statement that was added to the passage of the NDAA bill in an effort to dampen concerns over the ‘indefinite detention’ provision of the bill is smoke and mirrors for a number of reasons – prime amongst them the fact that it was the White House itself – not lawmakers – who demanded Section 1031 be expanded to empower the government to detain U.S. citizens without trial.

On first reading, Obama’s signing statement appears to assuage fears that American citizens could be targeted for arrest and detention without trial.

“My administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens … Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a nation,” wrote Obama.

However, the statement is meaningless for a number of reasons.

Firstly, even if Obama manages to fulfil one of the rare occasions on which he keeps his word, this does nothing to stop future administrations from exercising the power to indefinitely detain American citizens without trial.

Secondly, the Obama administration is already carrying out even more egregious measures than those supposedly authorized within the NDAA, by targeting American citizens worldwide for state-sponsored assassination with no legal process whatsoever.

Thirdly, Obama has reversed almost every single promise he made to get elected – his word is no good. Given the right civil emergency, Obama could turn to indefinite detention of citizens without hesitation.

Crucially, Obama’s promise that he will not use the law to detain Americans without trial is completely hollow – because it was his administration that demanded the power to do so in the first place.

As the bill’s co-sponsor Senator Carl Levin said during a speech on the floor last month, it was the Obama administration that demanded the removal of language that would have precluded Americans from being subject to indefinite detention.

“The language which precluded the application of Section 1031 to American citizens was in the bill that we originally approved…and the administration asked us to remove the language which says that U.S. citizens and lawful residents would not be subject to this section,” said Levin, Chairman of the Armed Services Committee.

“It was the administration that asked us to remove the very language which we had in the bill which passed the committee…we removed it at the request of the administration,” said Levin, emphasizing, “It was the administration which asked us to remove the very language the absence of which is now objected to.”

If the Obama administration is so opposed to the idea of detaining Americans without trial, why did they push for such powers to be included in the final version of the National Defense Authorization Act?

It’s also necessary to highlight the fact that just because this bill has been passed into law, that shouldn’t bestow any kind of legitimacy to it given that indefinite detention is anathema to the bill of rights and the constitution. It was once a law that black people were not human – that doesn’t mean it’s right or should be given credence.

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http://www.prisonplanet.com/myth-busted-yes-the-ndaa-does-apply-to-americans-and-heres-the-text-that-says-so.html

Myth busted: Yes, the NDAA does apply to Americans, and here’s the text that says so

Mike Adams
Natural News
Monday, January 2, 2012

In the aftermath of the signing of the NDAA by the traitorous President Obama, some citizens remain completely hoodwinked by the language of the bill, running around the internet screaming that the law “does not apply to American citizens.”

This is, naturally, part of the side effect of having such a dumbed-down education system where people can’t even parse the English language anymore. If you read the bill and understand what it says, it clearly offers absolutely no protections of U.S. citizens. In fact, it affirms that Americans are subjected to indefinite detainment under “existing authorities.”

Let’s parse it intelligently, shall we?

First off, the offending section of the bill that used to be called 1031 was moved to 1021. Here is the title:

(http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr1540enr/pdf/BILLS-112hr1540enr.pdf)

SEC. 1021. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE.

The two relevant sections to consider are titled and stated as follows:

(d) CONSTRUCTION. — Nothing in this section is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.

By PARSING the language here, we must split it into two sentences based on the “or” operator. This statement essentially means:

• Nothing in this section is intended to LIMIT the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.

• Nothing in this section is intended to EXPAND the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.

In other words, this section places no limits whatsoever of the “authority of the President” to use military force (against American citizens). Keep that in mind as you read the next section:

(e) AUTHORITIES. — Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.

This section “e” is the section that the hoodwinked people on the internet are running around saying “protects American citizens” from the NDAA. But where do they dream up such language? If you read section (e) again, you’ll discover it says nothing whatsoever about protecting American citizens from the NDAA. Instead, here’s what it really says when parsed into two sentences based on the “or” operator:

Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing LAW relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.

Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing AUTHORITIES relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.

In other words, section (e) only says that it does notalter“existing authorities” relating to the detention of US citizens.

So to answer the question about whether this affects U.S. citizens, you have to understand “existing authorities.”

What are those “existing authorities?”

Existing authorities already allow indefinite detainment and the killing of American citizens

As everyone who studies history well knows, the Patriot Act already establishes an “existing authority” that anyone suspected of being involved in terrorist-related activities can be arrested and detained without trial. If you don’t believe me, just Google it yourself. This is not a debated issue; it’s widely recognized.

Furthermore, President Obama already insists that he has the authority to kill American citizens merely by decree! As Reuters reported on October 5, 2011, a “secret panel” of government officials (who report to the President) can decide to place an American citizen on a “kill list” and then murder that person, without trial, without due process, and without even being arrested. (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/05/us-cia-killlist-idUSTRE79475C20111005)

Importantly, as Reuters reports, “Two principal legal theories were advanced [in support of the kill list authority] — first, that the actions were permitted by Congress when it authorized the use of military forces against militants in the wake of the attacks of September 11, 2001.”

Are you getting this yet? So the authority ALREADY exists for the President to order the killing of an American citizen. All that is required is that they be suspected of being involved in terrorism in any way, and not a shred of evidence is required by the government to support that. There is no trial, no arraignment, no evidence and not even a hearing. You are simply accused and then disappeared.

Thus, the authority already exists, you see, and the NDAA openly states that “Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing AUTHORITIES…”

In other words, the NDAA does nothing to protect American citizens, and it piggy-backs on the Patriot Act as well as Obama’s executive “kill list” justifications to essentially place all Americans in the crosshairs of government murderers or military action.

Rep. Justin Amash, a Congressman from Michigan, explains:

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http://www.prisonplanet.com/romney-would-sign-ndaa.html

Romney Would Sign NDAA

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
January 17, 2012

During the latest “debate” in South Carolina, Mitt Romney said that if he were president he would sign the National Defense Authorization Act.

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1yY3NCiMVQ

Prior to his recent assertion that it is perfectly normal to dispense with the Fourth Amendment and suspend habeas corpus, Romney said he wasn’t up to speed on the law and promised to post an analysis on his website, which he never did.

Romney said you don’t have the “right to join a group that has challenged America” and then mentioned al-Qaeda, the terror group that the FBI admits poses little threat to the nation.

The NDAA, however, is not about indefinitely detaining Muslim cave dwellers. It’s about disappearing American citizens who oppose the bankster cartel now in control of the government.

The law is a “violent and sudden usurpation” of the Constitution of the sort James Madison warned about. The founders considered habeas corpus the most fundamental of rights because it insured that the executive branch could not hold people without cause. It was so important the founders included it in Article 1, Section 9, Clause 2 of the Constitution.

Truman tried to veto the Internal Security Act of 1950 that codified indefinite detention without trial but he was overturned by Congress.Truman said it was “the greatest danger to freedom of speech, press, and assembly” since the Alien and Sedition Laws of 1798 and represented a “mockery of the Bill of Rights” and was a “long step toward totalitarianism.”

In the years after Truman’s warning, the government slowly chipped away at the Fourth Amendment and habeas corpus as it passed the McCartney-Walter Act, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the Anti-terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act (following the Oklahoma false flag), the Patriot Act (following the 9/11 false flag), and has finally repealed the cornerstone of the Bill of Rights with the passage of the NDAA.

As Sherwood Ross notes, with the passage of the NDAA, we have returned “to the disgraceful Korematsu Era, when President Roosevelt ordered the military to round up law-abiding Japanese-American citizens and stick them in concentration camps for the duration of World War II.”

World War II, however, had an end, whereas the bogus war on terrorism is designed to last forever, as our leaders have stated on a number of occasions.

Romney has no opinion on the Constitution, Magna Carta, and centuries of common law. He is an empty vessel filled up with nonsense produced by the global elite who run the disgusting dog and pony shows that now pass as elections in the United States.

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http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-supporters-decry-rands-endorsement-of-romney/

Ron Paul Supporters Decry Rand’s Endorsement of Romney

Majority accuse Kentucky Senator of selling out to Republican establishment

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Friday, June 8, 2012

Editor’s Note: Alex Jones will be covering this issue on today’s show. He will also release a special message for Ron Paul tonight.

Rand Paul’s decision to endorse Mitt Romney as Republican candidate for President is causing a firestorm of outrage amongst Ron Paul supporters, who are accusing the Kentucky Senator of selling out to the political establishment.

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSkt_kvgyeM

During an appearance on Sean Hannity’s Fox News show last night, Rand Paul threw his weight behind the former Massachusetts Governor.

“My first choice had always been my father. I campaigned for him when I was 11-years-old. He’s still my first pick,” Paul told Hannity. “But now that the nominating process is over, tonight I’m happy to announce that I’m going to be supporting Gov. Mitt Romney.

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Re: "Just playing politics" -- The Swiss Army Knife of Excuses?
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2015, 01:53:29 PM »
Actually I am wondering : Who will be running for Vice President ?
I think that is a touch more realistic and revealing.

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Says alot Geo.  Glad ya bumped it.
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Re: "Just playing politics" -- The Swiss Army Knife of Excuses?
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2015, 09:07:57 AM »
Since I continue to hear the "just playing politics" excuse, I thought I'd bump this thread.
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Re: "Just playing politics" -- The Swiss Army Knife of Excuses?
« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2015, 03:08:18 PM »
Since I continue to hear the "just playing politics" excuse, I thought I'd bump this thread.

Its relevant to the current british election.