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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #80 on: November 22, 2013, 12:34:50 PM »
Would I be right that the Rose is used as a symbol for secret societies, dating back from antiquity ?

http://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~janzb/courses/hum3930b/rosesymbol.htm
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In Christian art, the white rose is a symbol of purity, the gold or yellow rose a symbol of impossible perfection and papal benediction, and
the red rose a symbol for martyrdom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_(symbolism)
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Medieval Christians identified the five petals of the rose with the five wounds of Christ. Roses also later came to be associated with the Virgin Mary.

The red rose was eventually adopted as a symbol of the blood of the Christian martyrs.


http://symboldictionary.net/?p=1339

Rose Cross (Rosy Cross, Rosencreutz)

The Rose Cross originated as a Christian symbol in the first century, as a symbol of the blood of Christ, and a mystery of sacrifice.

The earliest rose crosses were a variation of the Christian ankh or crux ansata, and are associated with the Coptic (Egyptian) church, and related Gnostic sects.  The rose and cross was later adopted and popularized as the primary emblem of the Rosicrucians, an apocryphal secret society that originated during the Renaissance.

http://symboldictionary.net/?p=1395
The name “rosary” means “garland of roses,” and early Rose Cross imagery mimicked the shape of the rosary


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/22/remember-kennedy-assassination-take-country-back

I still get emotional about the JFK assassination 50 years later
JFK knew how to handle a crisis. We should take inspiration and take back our country from the people who've wrecked it
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theguardian.com, Friday 22 November 2013 08.45 EST
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So I hope that young people can forgive me for still getting emotional about the JFK assassination 50 years later. We haven't even had full disclosure, let alone closure.

What we have had is unbelievable amounts of lies and obfuscation, something that affects every single American citizen. I have written about and refuted the incredible government lies, lies that are supported throughout Tom Hank's movie Parkland. If you read what those doctors at Parkland Hospital actually said and believed, you'll understand how our government lied to us and is still lying to cover up that crime.

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22 November marks a crucial moment in American history. Americans have always had the resources to put our country back on track, now we need the resolve.

Let's give the 1% the big wake-up call that they truly deserve.

There's a time for observing history and there's a time for making it. We can take back our country. And if we don't do it, nobody else will.


http://www.amazon.com/They-Killed-Our-President-Assassinate/dp/1626361398
They Killed Our President: 63 Reasons to Believe There Was a Conspiracy to Assassinate JFK [Hardcover]
Jesse Ventura
 
 (Author), Dick Russell (Contributor), David Wayne (Contributor)



http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/10/21/ventura-lbj-had-the-most-to-gain-from-jfk-assassination/
Ventura: LBJ Had The Most To Gain From JFK Assassination
October 21, 2013
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“There were two conspiracies that took place that fateful day. There was the actual conspiracy to murder the president, and then there was the second conspiracy to cover it up,” Ventura said. “Whenever you look at a murder, you have to look at who had the most to gain, who had the biggest motive. And it comes back to Lyndon Johnson.”
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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #81 on: November 22, 2013, 03:54:26 PM »
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Well, according to a Pew study, a majority of those evangelicals are now siding with the Romans. Fully 62% of white evangelical Christians think it's OK to torture suspected terrorists. Not known terrorists, but suspected terrorists. Like Jesus.

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For 300 years, the fledgling Christian sect was viciously and horrifically persecuted and tortured by the Roman state until public sentiment turned in sympathy to the injustice perpetrated against them, and the honourable ways they were meeting death in public spectacles.
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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #82 on: November 22, 2013, 06:10:08 PM »
JFK's World 50 Years Ago

 1.  JFK felt that physical fitness and nutrition were important and should be promoted in schools.  Sports programs and physical fitness programs were implemented in all American schools.  "Physical Education" was a focus in our schools.  Many times, other classes were held outside, in the sunshine, sitting in the grass.  At that time, no one could beat American atheletes in the Olympics and world-class competitions.

 2. American inventions, science and schools were the very best in the world.  People from all over the world did everything they could to attend American schools.

 3. When it came to rearing the kids, most women stayed at home.  Husbands made plenty of money to allow for this.  There was no such thing as a "child care" or pre-school.  Kids walked to and from school in safety and security, and at least one parent was always home.

 4.  Parks and streets were beautiful, tree-lined, cared for.   No one ever saw graffitti.   Children could walk to a park, play in safety and walk back home.  Kids played outside in the neighborhood together.

 5.  There were no such thing as homeless people living on the street.  Ronald Reagan led the way in this phenomena by closing the mental institutions in California (to balance the budget?).

 6.  Public restrooms were everywhere, spotless and smelled good.  Public water fountains were everywhere, clear clean water to drink and people weren't afraid of getting diseases from them.

 7.  Payphones were abundant, as well as mailboxes.  All were kept in good working order and appearance.

 8.  People were treated respectfully by our public-servant Peace Officers, now renamed Policemen.  Militarization of police and military on the streets for any reason was unheard of and would not have been tolerated, for any reason.

 9.  The Pledge of Allegiance was recited first thing every morning by the entire school.

10.  No one cared what religion or color anyone else was.

11.  People talked and laughed with each other, complete strangers wherever they went.






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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #83 on: November 22, 2013, 09:18:12 PM »
This is what gets me angry: Trot out a Warren Commission stooge to defend the discredited report....

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/oct/27/opinion/la-oe-mosk-warren-commission-kennedy-assassination-20131027
Nov. 22, 1963: 50 years, and still no conspiracy
Op-Ed - The promotion of false theories about JFK's assassination is not harmless.
October 27, 2013|By Richard M. Mosk

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I hope on this 50th anniversary, the public will be skeptical of new criticisms of the commission and be more doubtful of the new conspiracy theories than of the Warren Commission.

Richard M. Mosk, a justice on the California Court of Appeal, was a member of the staff of the Warren Commission.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_M._Mosk
Richard M. Mosk (born May 18, 1939 in Los Angeles, California[1]) is an associate justice of the California Courts of Appeal, Second District.

Richard M. Mosk was born in Los Angeles, California, and is the son of Stanley Mosk, a former California Attorney General and state Supreme Court Justice.

He graduated from Stanford University, with great distinction and Harvard Law School, cum laude.[2] While at Stanford, he earned three athletic letters. After military service, he was a member of the staff of the Warren Commission (President's Commission on the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy) and a clerk to California Supreme Court Justice Mathew Tobriner

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Government_Officials
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Warren Commission: Francis Adams, Joseph Ball, David Belin, Hale Boggs, William Coleman, John Sherman Cooper, Allen Dulles, Melvin Eisenberg, Gerald Ford, Alfred Goldberg, Burt Griffin, Leon Hubert, Albert Jenner, Wesley Liebeler, John McCloy, Richard Mosk, J. Lee Rankin, Norman Redlich, Richard Russell, David Slawson, Arlen Specter, Samuel Stern, Earl Warren.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/22/cia-kennedy-assassination-conspiracy-judge
CIA suppressed Kennedy facts, 'but there was no conspiracy'

Judge who served on commission speaks out on assassination anniversary amid renewed claims by conspiracy theorists
Rory Carroll in Los Angeles
theguardian.com, Friday 22 November 2013 14.30 EST   
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The CIA and FBI withheld [ and lied about] information about Cuba and Lee Harvey Oswald from the Warren commission into John Kennedy's assassination, one of the commission's surviving staff members has acknowledged.

Nevertheless the inquiry did establish the truth, said Richard Mosk, a California court of appeal justice who served on the commission. He said the agencies' lack of full disclosure was unfortunate but did not alter the fact that Oswald acted alone. "It was an easy shot."
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Lee Harvey Oswald's Call Did Not Go Through
« Reply #84 on: November 23, 2013, 11:32:37 AM »


The 50th anniversary of the JFK assassination has shaken the conspiracy tree and sent the media into a retrospective feeding frenzy. In this cacophony the truth fades even further. Any new opinion about the events in Dallas November 22, 1963 is bestowed with instant credibility, perhaps fueled by the reality that 68% of Americans believe Lee Harvey Oswald did not act alone as the Warren Commission concluded in 1964. Conspiracy theories abound, yet consensus on what actually happened remains elusive.

But there is one intriguing morsel mostly ignored by conspiracy theorists and Warren Commission defenders alike: the Raleigh Call.

Go back to the Friday Lee Oswald was taken into custody. It is generally agreed that he left the Texas School Book Depository after the shooting that murdered JFK (although some assassination buffs say Oswald was not in the building) and returned to his room at a nearby boarding house, donned a windbreaker and retrieved a pistol. He walked down the street and was approached by a police cruiser driven by Dallas officer J.D. Tippit.

Witnesses saw Tippit talk to Oswald through the open passenger side front window, then open the driver's door and step out.  Oswald shot Tippit three times as he rounded to the front of the cruiser, followed by a coup de grace shot while Tippit lay on the pavement.  Oswald hurried down the street into the Texas Theatre. A few minutes later, Dallas police officers entered the building and turned on the house lights. Oswald stood up and pulled the trigger of his pistol but it either misfired or police officers struggling with Oswald prevented the shot. Subdued after the fight with "four or five officers", according to witnesses, Oswald said: "Well, it's all over now." Later, Oswald said, "I'm a patsy."

Oswald was arrested and charged for the murder of Officer Tippit at 7:10 PM, and later for the assassination of JFK. He never admitted involvement in the shootings from the Book Depository, highly unusual for political assassins who uniformly denounce their victim's policies or actions.  Alas, according to the Warren Commission report:

    "he (Captain Fritz of the Dallas police) kept no notes and there were no stenographic or tape recordings. Representatives of other law enforcement agencies were also present, including the FBI and the U.S. Secret Service."

The next day, Oswald was visited by his mother and made phone calls to the Ruth Paine residence in Fort Worth where his wife and children were staying. Later that evening, two switchboard operators at the Dallas jail (one on duty, the other her replacement) were approached by "a government man", as they described him, who informed them that Oswald would be placing a long-distance telephone call. They were instructed to let him know when the call was requested while he waited in the adjoining equipment room.

At approximately 10 PM, Dallas time, the switchboard lit up and both operators dove to plug in and be part of history. The operator who plugged in first wrote down the number Oswald was attempting to call on a pre-printed pad.

She did as instructed by walking over to the equipment room and informing the "government man" Oswald was making a call by showing him the slip of paper. She did as he asked and told Oswald his call did not go through. Luckily, the operator kept the slip of paper.

The Raleigh Call, or Non-Raleigh Call, as the case may be, remained obscured except for a Freedom of Information request in 1970 that was never pursued. Then, in 1979, the House Assassinations Committee subcommittee on JFK came across the incident. The Committee was established in the wake of the 1976 Senate Intelligence Committee probing CIA operatives involved in the Watergate burglary.  In a startling revelation, Senators heard from CIA Director William Colby that the Agency employed Mafia members in an attempt to kill Fidel Castro This information was withheld from the Warren Commission (although former director Allen Dulles served on the panel). The Congress was concerned the Commission did not consider that Fidel Castro had a motive to orchestrate revenge against JFK. In response, the House Assassinations Committee was established with three subcommittees to probe the JFK, RFK and MLK shootings.

So what does the Raleigh Call add to the JFK assassination puzzle? Contacting John D. Hurt in 1980, who resided at the address of the call, elicited denials that he knew Oswald or anyone in the intelligence community However, he did serve in counterintelligence during World War 2.  After several other calls to assassination experts and theorists, I called Robert Blakey, chief counsel for the JFK House Assassinations Subcommittee, who said, "The call apparently is real and it goes out; it does not come in. That's the sum and substance of it. It was an outgoing call, and therefore I consider it very troublesome material. The direction in which it went was deeply disturbing."

Now that it was established the attempted call was real, and not an incoming crank call, I contacted former CIA officer Victor Marchetti, author of the 1974 CIA and the Cult of Intelligence.  Marchetti was embroiled in a titanic battle against the CIA for censoring his book before publication, with the ACLU representing his rights and interests. The CIA redacted 339 passages of varying length, reduced to 200 items by ACLU legal pleadings when the book finally came out.

Marchetti cites in his author's Introduction why talking to him about the Raleigh Call adds a frisson to the story:

    "They (CIA) have secured an unwarranted and outrageous permanent injunction against me, requiring anything I write or say, 'factual, fictional or otherwise', on the subject of intelligence must first be censored by the CIA....Under risk of criminal contempt of court."

Whether or not Marchetti is an early model Edward Snowden who deserves to be muzzled does not take away from the impact of his comments,  just his morality.

Marchetti said Oswald's attempt to contact John D. Hurt in Raleigh NC was a set-up, that Hurt was a "fake cut-out."  He said Oswald, a Marine, was probably trained for intelligence work by the Office of Naval Intelligence, and was a participant in a "black op" to kill JFK that he thought was legitimate and official.  Oswald would know through tradecraft that he would be assigned a "cut-out," spy jargon for a middle man to call if you are caught in an operation. The idea is that you don't call home (the CIA for example) if you are in trouble and implicate the agency. The Raleigh Call could have been pre-arranged to establish a "cut-out" Oswald would believe credible, created by the conspirators organized to assassinate JFK to make Oswald the "patsy" and  take the fall.

During the interviews for the Raleigh Call, the office phones were tapped. The private detective I called in to investigate trouble on the line -- and a mysterious call every morning at exactly the same time, followed by a clicking noise and a hang up -- discovered we were being taped by Bell South Central Office that required a federal warrant. The clicking noise was causes by a tape recorder turning on.

A lawyer friend approached me in 2006 and told me he was the attorney for Mrs. John Hurt, the wife of the John D. Hurt Oswald allegedly attempted to call -- perhaps thinking he was his cut-out. The attorney said Mrs. Hurt told him she spoke with Oswald in 1963, but he refuses to break client confidentiality and go on record. This information is potentially historically important. But, if Oswald's call did not go through, how did Mrs. Hurt talk to him on the phone? The answer could be Oswald called John Hurt before the assassination to verify his identity and contact information as a normal precaution.

The morning after Oswald attempted the Raleigh Call, he was shot in front dozens of people and a national television audience while being transferred from the Dallas police headquarters to the Dallas County Jail.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/11/lee_harvey_oswalds_call_did_not_go_through.html#ixzz2lUF3M2eD

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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #85 on: November 23, 2013, 12:15:53 PM »
There were many forces at work that day, all of them against the country and in their own interests.

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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #87 on: November 23, 2013, 06:12:50 PM »
Vietnam and the Legacy of the JFK Presidency - Peter Kuznick on Reality Asserts Itself Pt.1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erUJ9W_qR-0

21 November 2013, TheRealNews

On this episode of Reality Asserts Itself, Paul Jay and historian Peter Kuznick discuss whether or not JFK intended to withdraw from Vietnam before his assassination

Vietnam and the Legacy of the JFK Presidency - Peter Kuznick on Reality Asserts Itself pt2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRJBJp6JQHE

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« Reply #88 on: November 24, 2013, 08:03:51 AM »
JFK Assassination Zapruder Stabilized Motion Panorama HD plus SloMo - 50th anniversary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqk3sdfXFkc
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« Reply #89 on: November 24, 2013, 08:35:40 AM »
JFK Assassination Zapruder Stabilized Motion Panorama HD plus SloMo - 50th anniversary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqk3sdfXFkc

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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #90 on: November 24, 2013, 09:45:12 AM »
JFK - Will Clint Hill ever tell full truth?
http://www.4shared.com/video/aKfFIQXQ/JFK_...l_ever_tel.html

He was the secret service agent who was closest to the President, but who didn't do his job on the fateful day. Why? Some think the agents were told to stand down, and shortly thereafter JFK was shot!


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« Reply #91 on: November 24, 2013, 10:01:42 AM »
The Video that proves a conspiracy to kill JFK: (Refers to Clint Hill and shows his inconsistencies in his story and an absolutely stupid comment about why the agent pulled away from the car.)
http://www.infowars.com/the-video-that-proves-a-conspiracy-to-kill-jfk/


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During an October 2013 C-Span interview (28:50), Clint Hill, the Secret Service agent seen on the left hand side of JFK’s car (and the one who subsequently ran after the car and reached out to Jackie Kennedy), claimed that Donald Lawton was actually just going off-duty to eat his lunch, and that he told the other agents, “OK you guys, I am going to lunch, have a good trip.”

This explanation hardly seems plausible given the nature of the situation
in addition to Lawton’s body language. He clearly shrugs his shoulders and outstretches his arms three times as if baffled at something and asking for answers.
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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #92 on: November 24, 2013, 10:22:43 AM »
(See time 28:50 & Clint's absurd statement 30:37) JFK's Secret Service Agents Break Their Silence: Interview - John F. Kennedy Assassination (2010) (What a lame comment! Does anyone with a brain buy this lame comment from Hill? Absurd!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4QU-RPXweM



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IT'S ABSURD LIES LIKE THIS THAT DISCREDIT THE "OFFICIAL STORY". WHEN YOU FIND ONE LIE, YOU KNOW THERE ARE OTHERS! THEREFORE, ONE MUST QUESTION THE "OFFICIAL STORY", AND MANY ARE DOING JUST THAT!
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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #93 on: November 24, 2013, 11:23:48 AM »
LINK CORRECTION: JFK Murder - Will Clint Hill ever tell full truth?
http://www.4shared.com/video/gUqc9oQX/JFK_Murder_-_Will_Clint_Hill_e.html


He was the secret service agent who was closest to the President, but who didn't do his job on the fateful day. Why? Some think the agents were told to stand down, and shortly thereafter JFK was shot!
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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #94 on: November 24, 2013, 12:31:38 PM »
JFK: A Conspiracy Theory (Corbett Report):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJFzhbNd1EI
http://www.corbettreport.com/

This is very good!




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Inaugural Address Friday, January 20, 1961
Vice President Johnson, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Chief Justice, President Eisenhower, Vice President Nixon, President Truman, reverend clergy, fellow citizens, we observe today not a victory of party, but a celebration of freedom—symbolizing an end, as well as a beginning—signifying renewal, as well as change. For I have sworn before you and Almighty God the same solemn oath our forebears prescribed nearly a century and three quarters ago.    1

  The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe—the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God. 2

  We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans—born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage—and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this Nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world. 3

  Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty. 4

  This much we pledge—and more. 5

  To those old allies whose cultural and spiritual origins we share, we pledge the loyalty of faithful friends. United, there is little we cannot do in a host of cooperative ventures. Divided, there is little we can do—for we dare not meet a powerful challenge at odds and split asunder. 6

  To those new States whom we welcome to the ranks of the free, we pledge our word that one form of colonial control shall not have passed away merely to be replaced by a far more iron tyranny. We shall not always expect to find them supporting our view. But we shall always hope to find them strongly supporting their own freedom—and to remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside. 7

  To those peoples in the huts and villages across the globe struggling to break the bonds of mass misery, we pledge our best efforts to help them help themselves, for whatever period is required—not because the Communists may be doing it, not because we seek their votes, but because it is right. If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich. 8

  To our sister republics south of our border, we offer a special pledge—to convert our good words into good deeds—in a new alliance for progress—to assist free men and free governments in casting off the chains of poverty. But this peaceful revolution of hope cannot become the prey of hostile powers. Let all our neighbors know that we shall join with them to oppose aggression or subversion anywhere in the Americas. And let every other power know that this Hemisphere intends to remain the master of its own house. 9

  To that world assembly of sovereign states, the United Nations, our last best hope in an age where the instruments of war have far outpaced the instruments of peace, we renew our pledge of support—to prevent it from becoming merely a forum for invective—to strengthen its shield of the new and the weak—and to enlarge the area in which its writ may run. 10

  Finally, to those nations who would make themselves our adversary, we offer not a pledge but a request: that both sides begin anew the quest for peace, before the dark powers of destruction unleashed by science engulf all humanity in planned or accidental self-destruction. 11

  We dare not tempt them with weakness. For only when our arms are sufficient beyond doubt can we be certain beyond doubt that they will never be employed. 12
  But neither can two great and powerful groups of nations take comfort from our present course—both sides overburdened by the cost of modern weapons, both rightly alarmed by the steady spread of the deadly atom, yet both racing to alter that uncertain balance of terror that stays the hand of mankind's final war. 13
  So let us begin anew—remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness, and sincerity is always subject to proof. Let us never negotiate out of fear. But let us never fear to negotiate. 14

  Let both sides explore what problems unite us instead of belaboring those problems which divide us. 15

  Let both sides, for the first time, formulate serious and precise proposals for the inspection and control of arms—and bring the absolute power to destroy other nations under the absolute control of all nations. 16

  Let both sides seek to invoke the wonders of science instead of its terrors. Together let us explore the stars, conquer the deserts, eradicate disease, tap the ocean depths, and encourage the arts and commerce. 17

  Let both sides unite to heed in all corners of the earth the command of Isaiah—to "undo the heavy burdens ... and to let the oppressed go free." 18

  And if a beachhead of cooperation may push back the jungle of suspicion, let both sides join in creating a new endeavor, not a new balance of power, but a new world of law, where the strong are just and the weak secure and the peace preserved. 19

  All this will not be finished in the first 100 days. Nor will it be finished in the first 1,000 days, nor in the life of this Administration, nor even perhaps in our lifetime on this planet. But let us begin. 20

  In your hands, my fellow citizens, more than in mine, will rest the final success or failure of our course. Since this country was founded, each generation of Americans has been summoned to give testimony to its national loyalty. The graves of young Americans who answered the call to service surround the globe. 21

  Now the trumpet summons us again—not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need; not as a call to battle, though embattled we are—but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, "rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation"—a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself. 22

  Can we forge against these enemies a grand and global alliance, North and South, East and West, that can assure a more fruitful life for all mankind? Will you join in that historic effort? 23

 In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility—I welcome it. I do not believe that any of us would exchange places with any other people or any other generation. The energy, the faith, the devotion which we bring to this endeavor will light our country and all who serve it—and the glow from that fire can truly light the world. 24

  And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. 25

  My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man. 26

  Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you. With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our own.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuW4oGKzVKc
John F. Kennedy Moon Speech (1962)
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We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.
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Clark Gable B-17 Gunner in England after the death of Carol Lombard
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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #96 on: November 25, 2013, 02:16:59 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeNv_62v6WQ
LBJ Admits Murder of Diem

In the early part of the Vietnam War Ngo Dinh Diem was "our man in Saigon" but by late '62 he was viewed as ineffective by many in the U.S. and a liability by the White House, more or less the way Maliki is now. Diem's fate has important health implications for Maliki. The White House had him murdered.

It is a rare thing to actually hear a U.S. President actually admit to participation in murder, but that is eactly what President Lyndon Johnson does in a very frank 1966 discussion with Eugene Carthy:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngo_Dinh_Diem
Ngô Đình Diệm (About this sound listen; 3 January 1901 – 2 November 1963) was the first president of South Vietnam (1955–1963).[1] In the wake of the French withdrawal from Indochina as a result of the 1954 Geneva Accords, Diệm led the effort to create the Republic of Vietnam. Accruing considerable US support due to his staunch anti-communism, he achieved victory in a 1955 plebiscite.[2]

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As the Buddhist crisis deepened in July 1963, noncommunist Vietnamese nationalists and the military began preparations for a coup. Bùi Diễm, later South Vietnam's Ambassador to the United States, reported in his memoirs that General Lê Văn Kim requested his aid in learning what the U.S. might do about Diệm's government.[59] Diễm had contacts in both the embassy and with the high-profile American journalists then in South Vietnam, David Halberstam (New York Times), Neil Sheehan (United Press International) and Malcolm Browne (Associated Press).[60] On 20 August 1963, Nhu's security forces raided the Xá Lợi Pagoda in Saigon. They chose to wear Army uniforms during the raid to make it appear as if the Army were behind the crackdown. Nhu's forces arrested more than 400 monks who had been sitting cross-legged in front of a statue of the Buddha. Thousands of other Buddhists were arrested throughout the country.[citation needed]

Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr., the American ambassador to South Vietnam, refused to meet with Diệm. Upon hearing that a coup d'état was being designed by ARVN generals led by General Dương Văn Minh, and supported by the CIA, Lodge gave secret assurances to the generals that the U.S. would not interfere. Lucien Conein, a CIA operative, had become a liaison between the U.S. Embassy and the generals, who were led by Trần Văn Đôn.[61] Conein provided a group of South Vietnamese generals with US $42,000 to carry out the coup with the promise that U.S. forces would make no attempt to protect Diệm.[62]

The orders that ended in the deaths of Diệm and his brother originated with W. Averell Harriman and were carried out by Henry Cabot Lodge's own military assistant.
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http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB101/

JFK and the Diem Coup
by John Prados
Posted - November 5, 2003

JFK TAPE DETAILS HIGH-LEVEL VIETNAM COUP PLOTTING IN 1963;
DOCUMENTS SHOW NO THOUGHT OF DIEM ASSASSINATION;
U.S. OVERESTIMATED INFLUENCE ON SAIGON GENERALS.

Washington D.C., November 5, 2003 - A White House tape of President Kennedy and his advisers, published this week in a new book-and-CD collection and excerpted on the Web, confirms that top U.S. officials sought the November 1, 1963 coup against then-South Vietnamese leader Ngo Dinh Diem without apparently considering the physical consequences for Diem personally (he was murdered the following day). The taped meeting and related documents show that U.S. officials, including JFK, vastly overestimated their ability to control the South Vietnamese generals who ran the coup 40 years ago this week.

The Kennedy tape from October 29, 1963 captures the highest-level White House meeting immediately prior to the coup, including the President's brother voicing doubts about the policy of support for a coup: "I mean, it's different from a coup in the Iraq or South American country; we are so intimately involved in this…." National Security Archive senior fellow John Prados provides a full transcript of the meeting, together with the audio on CD, in his new book-and-CD publication, The White House Tapes: Eavesdropping on the President (New York: The New Press, 2003, 331 pp. + 8 CDs, ISBN 1-56584-852-7), just published this week and featuring audio files from 8 presidents, from Roosevelt to Reagan.
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A second charge has to do with Kennedy administration denials that it had had anything to do with the coup itself. The documentary record is replete with evidence that President Kennedy and his advisers, both individually and collectively, had a considerable role in the coup overall, by giving initial support to Saigon military officers uncertain what the U.S. response might be, by withdrawing U.S. aid from Diem himself, and by publicly pressuring the Saigon government in a way that made clear to South Vietnamese that Diem was isolated from his American ally.

In addition, at several of his meetings (Documents 7, 19, 22) Kennedy had CIA briefings and led discussions based on the estimated balance between pro- and anti-coup forces in Saigon that leave no doubt the United States had a detailed interest in the outcome of a coup against Ngo Dinh Diem. The CIA also provided $42,000 in immediate support money to the plotters the morning of the coup, carried by Lucien Conein, an act prefigured in administration planning Document 17).


The ultimate effect of United States participation in the overthrow of Ngo Dinh Diem was to commit Washington to Saigon even more deeply. Having had a hand in the coup America had more responsibility for the South Vietnamese governments that followed Diem. That these military juntas were ineffectual in prosecuting the Vietnam war then required successively greater levels of involvement from the American side. The weakness of the Saigon government thus became a factor in U.S. escalations of the Vietnam war, leading to the major ground war that the administration of Lyndon B. Johnson opened in 1965.
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http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB101/clip.wma

President Kennedy Meets with His National Security Council on the Question of Supporting a Coup in South Vietnam (10 minutes 55 seconds) From John Prados, ed.
The White House Tapes: Eavesdropping on the President (New York: The New Press, 2003, 331 pp. + 8 CDs, ISBN 1-56584-852-7)
 (See Document 19 below for the official NSC staff record of this meeting)
 [NOTE: This audio clip is a Windows Media Audio file (.wma) and should be opened using Windows Media Player]

http://www.jfklibrary.org/JFK/JFK-in-History/Vietnam-Diem-and-the-Buddhist-Crisis.aspx
Vietnam, Diem, the Buddhist Crisis

In the spring of 1963, South Vietnamese forces suppressed Buddhist religious leaders and followers, which led to a political crisis for the government of President Ngo Dinh Diem.

The suppression of Buddhists in South Vietnam became known as the "Buddhist crisis." President Ngo Dinh Diem did little to ease the tensions, though he later promised reforms. Many people suspected that his brother and closest advisor, Ngo Dinh Nhu, was the actual decision maker in the Saigon government and the person behind the Buddhist suppression.

The Buddhist demonstrations continued throughout spring and summer and culiminated in June when a Buddhist monk publicly lit himself on fire. The photograph of the event made news around the world.
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In August and October 1963, President Kennedy and his advisors had met several times to discuss the potential consequences of a coup in Vietnam and how the United States should react. Excerpts of the tapes and documents related to this crisis can be found in the header of this webpage. The image in the header shows Henry Cabot Lodge, the newly appointed Ambassador to South Vietnam, in a meeting with President Kennedy on August 15, 1963.

The tapes reveal President Kennedy's reservations about U.S. support for a military coup in South Vietnam. They document meetings the president held with State Department, White House, military, and intelligence advisors during the week after Cable 243 (pdf) was sent. Cable 243, which set a course for the eventual coup in Vietnam on November 1, 1963, has been described by one historian as the "single most controversial cable of the Vietnam War."

http://www.jfklibrary.org/JFK/JFK-in-History/~/media/EE2438DA4C064164ACABA420F64630D9.pdf
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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #97 on: November 25, 2013, 04:56:18 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Garrett_Underhill,_Jr.
John Garrett Underhill, Jr., a.k.a. Garrett Underhill and Gary Underhill (August 7, 1915 – May 8, 1964) was Captain General Staff G2 World War II and received the Army Commendation Medal for meritorious service. He was a Harvard graduate, linguist, and self-taught military affairs expert.

For five years he was a military correspondent for Life magazine and helped to make their Foreign News Department one of the most knowledgeable centers of military intelligence in the world. Near the end of his life Underhill became surrounded in controversy surrounding facts related to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
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Following the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, Underhill told his friend, Charlene Fitsimmons, that he was convinced that Kennedy had been killed by "a small clique in the CIA." He knew the people involved and what they knew. He also said: "Oswald is a patsy. They set him up. It's too much. The bastards have done something outrageous. They've killed the President! I've been listening and hearing things. I couldn't believe they'd get away with it, but they did!"

Jim Garrison, District Attorney from Louisiana conducted an investigation into the assassination of Kennedy. Among the witnesses he sought out was John Garrett Underhill, Jr. In an interview that Garrison gave for Playboy magazine, he referred to a CIA agent with valuable information pertaining to his investigation. The name of Gary Underhill was used interchangeably in sources with John Garrett Underhill. A Memorandum from the CIA to the Justice Department in 1967 referred to the interview and John Garrett Underhill, Jr. in some detail:


15. Who is the J. Garrett UNDERHILL referred to in Garrison's Playboy interview as a former CIA agent?
 UNDERHILL was born 7 August 1915 in Brooklyn, was graduated from Harvard in 1937, and committed suicide on 8 May 1964. He served with the Military Intelligence Service from 6 July 1943 to May 1946 as an expert in photography, enemy weapons, and related technical specialities. He was in infrequent contact with the New York office of the Domestic Contact Service, of CIA from late 1949 to the mid-'50s. The contact was routine. Mr. UNDERHILL was not an employee of CIA.[15]

CIA agent Gary Underhill, again, a name used interchangeably with John Garrett Underhill, Jr., was said to have a connection with Harold Isaacs who in turn knew Oswald's cousin Marilyn Murret.[16]

Prior to Garrison being able to meet and interview Underhill, he was found in bed with a bullet wound behind his left ear on May 8, 1964.[11]

Sources differ on whether the cause of his death was suicide[11] or if people or groups had motivations to see him removed before had secret information that he threatened to divulage. His Death Certificate from the District of Columbia Department of Public Health listed the cause of death as "shot self in head with automatic pistol.

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http://www.constantinereport.com/71869/
“The Covert War Against Rock” (Feral House, 2000)
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In January, 1968, Ramparts magazine reported on the death of Gerrett Underhill, a staffer at the Army's Military Intelligence Service and advisor to the Agency:
"Immediately after the [John Kennedy] assassination, a distraught Underhill told friends that a semi-autonomous CIA clique which had been profiting in narcotics and gun-running was implicated." A few months later, "Underhill was found dead of a bullet wound in the head."

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http://www.constantinereport.com/71869/
“The Covert War Against Rock” (Feral House, 2000)
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 gossip columnist Dorothy Kilgallen, the only reporter to interview Jack Ruby and the author of an open letter to Lyndon Johnson that
appeared in her syndicated column on December 21, 1964:


"MEMORANDUM TO PRESIDENT JOHNSON; Please check with the State Department . . . the leaders of our Armed Forces or our chief
scientists, to discover what, if anything, we are doing to explore the ramifications of [electromagnetic] thought control . . . could change
the history of the world."

Kilgallen, one of the very few reporters in the country to question the Warren Commission's findings, told friends in the entertainment
industry that she was going to "bust the Kennedy assassination wide open." But she never had the opportunity. She abruptly died of acute
barbiturate and alcohol poisoning
—the New York medical examiner could not say whether Kilgallen died accidentally or was murdered—
on November 8, 1965. Mary Branum, one of Kilgallen's editors, received a telephone call several hours prior to the discovery of the
body. The anonymous caller informed Branum that the columnist had been "murdered.""


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Kilgallen
Dorothy Mae Kilgallen (July 3, 1913 – November 8, 1965) was an American journalist and television game show panelist. She started her career early as a reporter for the Hearst Corporation's New York Evening Journal after spending two semesters at The College of New Rochelle in New Rochelle, New York.[1] In 1936, she began her newspaper column, The Voice of Broadway, which eventually was syndicated to more than 146 papers.[2][3] She became a regular panelist on the television game show What's My Line? in 1950.

Kilgallen's columns featured mostly show business news and gossip, but also ventured into other topics such as politics and organized crime. She wrote front-page articles on the Sam Sheppard trial and later the John F. Kennedy assassination and interviewed Jack Ruby, Lee Harvey Oswald's killer, out of earshot of sheriff's deputies. The circumstances of Kilgallen's death have been the subject of conspiracy theories. As the cause of her death was officially ruled "undetermined," [4] and because she openly criticized U.S. government agencies as early as 1959, some believe that Kilgallen was murdered in order to silence her
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http://kilgallenfiles.wordpress.com/category/articles-about-dorothy/

The information posted here is strictly factual. It is intended to be a pool of facts for you, the reader, to draw from in order to come to your own conclusions.

This project is meant to be an expanding and definitive culmination of documents,  articles and pictures posted for educational purposes only.
 It is here for those who are curious and want to learn.

It’s time the misinformation ends. kilgallenfiles@gmail.com

For anyone who missed the interview on Coast to Coast in which I discussed Dorothy, you may listen here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW639X43BRk&feature=related

http://kilgallenfiles.wordpress.com/what-happened-to-dorothy/
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Dorothy’s last article about the assassination ran September 3, 1965. In it, “she challenged the authenticity of the famous Life magazine cover of Lee Harvey Oswald supposedly holding a rifle.” [15] At the end, she asserted that “this story isn’t going to die as long as there’s a real reporter alive– and there are a lot of them.” [16]
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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #98 on: November 26, 2013, 12:39:09 PM »
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/jack-ruby-kills-lee-harvey-oswald
Nov 24, 1963:
Jack Ruby kills Lee Harvey Oswald


At 12:20 p.m., in the basement of the Dallas police station, Lee Harvey Oswald, the alleged assassin of President John F. Kennedy, is shot to death by Jack Ruby, a Dallas nightclub owner.
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On November 24, Oswald was brought to the basement of the Dallas police headquarters on his way to a more secure county jail. A crowd of police and press with live television cameras rolling gathered to witness his departure. As Oswald came into the room, Jack Ruby emerged from the crowd and fatally wounded him with a single shot from a concealed .38 revolver. Ruby, who was immediately detained, claimed that rage at Kennedy's murder was the motive for his action. Some called him a hero, but he was nonetheless charged with first-degree murder.

Jack Ruby, originally known as Jacob Rubenstein, operated strip joints and dance halls in Dallas and had minor connections to organized crime. He also had a relationship with a number of Dallas policemen, which amounted to various favors in exchange for leniency in their monitoring of his establishments. He features prominently in Kennedy-assassination theories, and many believe he killed Oswald to keep him from revealing a larger conspiracy. In his trial, Ruby denied the allegation and pleaded innocent on the grounds that his great grief over Kennedy's murder had caused him to suffer "psychomotor epilepsy" and shoot Oswald unconsciously. The jury found him guilty of the "murder with malice" of Oswald and sentenced him to die.
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LBJ has dinner with Mary Lasker  and Abe Fortas  AND Jack Brooks  ...

http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/archives.hom/Diary/1963/631124-4.asp

THE PRESIDENT’S DAILY DIARY: November 24, 1963-page 4





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Lasker
Mary Woodard Lasker (November 30, 1900 – February 21, 1994) was an American health activist and philanthropist. She worked to raise funds for medical research, and founded the Lasker Foundation.
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In 1938 she became the president of the Birth Control Federation of America, the precursor of the Planned Parenthood Federation.[4]

Her second marriage was to Lord and Thomas advertising executive Albert Lasker until his death in the early 1950s of colon cancer.[5] Ironically, her husband's ad agency had promoted smoking with the slogan, "L.S.M.F.T.—Lucky Strike Means Fine Tobacco" [6] back when the dangers of smoking were not well known.[5]

The Laskers supported National Health Insurance under Truman.[3] After its failure Mary Lasker saw research funding as the best way to promote public health
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Lasker was prominent in helping Lyndon Johnson get Eleanor Roosevelt's endorsement to become the 1960 Democratic nominee.[11] Lady Bird Johnson wrote about Lasker numerous times in her book A White House Diary, calling her house "charming ... like a setting for jewels" and thanking her for gifts of daffodil bulbs for parkways along the Potomac River and for thousands of azalea bushes, flowering dogwood and other plants to put along Pennsylvania Avenue.

Lasker was also instrumental in getting the US government to fund the War on Cancer in 1971
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Mary Lasker is a recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1969, the Four Freedoms Award 1987 and the Congressional Gold Medal in 1989.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_cKfTngJ30
LBJ and Abe Fortas, 11/29/1963. Late afternoon.

Warren Commission: Telephone conversation between President Johnson and Abe Fortas, 11/29/1963.

http://www.wyzant.com/resources/lessons/history/hpol/lbj/warren/fortas2
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Second conversation between  LBJ and Abe Fortas (Washington attorney and LBJ confidant), where Fortas reviews a draft announcement of the commission. LBJ invites Fortas to serve. Here, we offer selected telephone conversations concerning the Special Commission to Investigate the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy (the Warren Commission). President John F. Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas, TX on November 22, 1963. Shortly thereafter, the House of Representatives and the Senate considered independent investigations of the assassination and the murder of Kennedy's putative assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald. To trump these congressional efforts, President Lyndon Johnson decided to form a presidential commission to investigate the assassination and Oswald's death. These conversations document the formation of the commission -- indentified by the popular title "The Warren Commission" -- because the chairman was  Chief Justice Earl Warren.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abe_Fortas

Later on in private legal practice in 1948, Fortas represented Lyndon Johnson in the hotly contested Democratic Senatorial Second Primary electoral dispute, and he made close ties with the president-to-be.
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During the Red Scare of the late 1940s and early 1950s, Fortas came to widespread notice as the defense attorney for Owen Lattimore. In 1950, Fortas often clashed with Senator Joseph McCarthy when representing Lattimore before the Tydings Committee, and also before the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee.

Fortas believed in an expanded executive branch and a less powerful legislative branch. He wrote: "The enormous growth of presidential power from Franklin D. Roosevelt to Lyndon Johnson was a necessary and an inevitable adaptation of our constitutional system to national needs

When Chief Justice Earl Warren announced his retirement in June 1968, Johnson nominated Associate Justice Abe Fortas to replace Warren as Chief Justice

http://jfklancer.com/pdf/LBJ-Reynolds.pdf
THE DON REYNOLDS TESTIMONY AND LBJ

In reviewing the events of November 22, 1963, one cannot escape the fact that on this day then Vice President Lyndon Baines Johnson was in trouble
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most importantly and crucial to LBJ’s political future was the current Senate investigation of Johnson’s loyal aide and protege,
Bobby Baker.
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NOVEMBER 22, 1963: THE SENATE RULES
COMMITTEE HEARING

Baker had moved up the ladder from a fourteen year old Senate page to the point where he was called the “one hundred and first senator” and the closest person in Washington to Lyndon Johnson. After the 1960 elections, Baker retained his position as Senate Secretary under the wing of Senator Bob Kerr. His political rise was second only to his financial one: in 1963 he reported his net worth as $2,166,866. One of Baker’s more successful schemes was
side activities from various business transactions. States Steinberg, “One of these was with Don B. Reynolds, a former Air Force and Foreign Service Officer, who was in the insurance business in Maryland. Reynolds told the committee that Bobby Baker and other Democrats had involved him as a ‘bag man’ to deliver political kickbacks.”(3) Although Baker resigned his post on October 8, 1963, the biggest scandal of the Kennedy Administration had begun. Hearings were held on November 22, 1963, beginning at 10 AM EST, that have been variously characterised as likely leading to Vice-President Johnson being dropped from the 1964 ticket (4) or being  removed from office.
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From Reynolds testimony on December 1, 1964, about  his testimony of November 22, 1963, it can be seen that he testified for only three hours, and if he finished at 1:00 PM Eastern time, he would have finished at noon Central time.
His testimony would have been finished before the first reports of the shooting of President Kennedy; then surely Reynolds testimony was not cut short by the report of Kennedy’s assassination.
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Just prior to Johnson’s return to Washington, while still onboard Air Force One, he called Abe Fortas, who had represented
Bobby Baker at the closed hearing, about the Reynold’s testimony earlier that day. (29) “What did Reynolds say?” he reportedly asked.

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http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKreynoldsD.htm

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In 1963 Senator John Williams of Delaware began investigating the activities of Bobby Baker. As a result of his work, Baker resigned as the secretary to Lyndon B. Johnson on 9th October, 1963. During his investigations Williams met Reynolds and persuaded him to appear before a secret session of the Senate Rules Committee.

Reynolds told B. Everett Jordan and his committee on 22nd November, 1963, that Johnson had demanded that he provided kickbacks in return for him agreeing to this life insurance policy. This included a $585 Magnavox stereo. Reynolds was also told by Walter Jenkins that he had to pay for $1,200 worth of advertising on KTBC, Johnson's television station in Austin. Reynolds had paperwork for this transaction including a delivery note that indicated the stereo had been sent to the home of Johnson.

Reynolds also told of seeing a suitcase full of money which Bobby Baker described as a "$100,000 payoff to Johnson for his role in securing the Fort Worth TFX contract". Reynolds also provided evidence against Matthew H. McCloskey. He suggested that he given $25,000 to Baker in order to get the contract to build the District of Columbia Stadium. His testimony came to an end when news arrived that President John F. Kennedy had been assassinated.

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Abe Fortas, a lawyer who represented both Lyndon B. Johnson and Bobby Baker, worked behind the scenes in an effort to keep this information from the public. Johnson also arranged for a smear campaign to be organized against Reynolds. To help him do this J. Edgar Hoover passed to Johnson the FBI file on Reynolds
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In December, 1966, Edward Jay Epstein wrote an article for the Esquire Magazine where he claimed that Reynolds had given the Warren Commission information on the death of John F. Kennedy. Reynolds said that Bobby Baker had told him that Kennedy "would never live out
his term and that he would die a violent death." Baker had also said that "the FBI knew that Johnson was behind the assassination".



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Brooks_(politician)

Jack Bascom Brooks (December 18, 1922 – December 4, 2012) was a Democratic lawmaker from Beaumont, Texas, who served in the U.S. House of Representatives for 42 years. Defeated in 1994, Brooks was the most senior Representative ever to have lost a general election for the U.S. House.
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On November 22, 1963, Brooks was in the motorcade carrying U.S. President John F. Kennedy and First Lady Jackie Kennedy through downtown Dallas, Texas, when Kennedy was assassinated.[1][8] Brooks was a contemporary of Lyndon B. Johnson, who was a U.S. Senator before becoming Vice-President to Kennedy.[9] He was present on Air Force One at Dallas Love Field when Johnson was sworn in as President after Kennedy's death
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He was a leader in the investigation that uncovered millions of dollars in public funds expended at the vacation homes of President Richard Nixon. Following the Watergate scandal in 1974, Brooks drafted the articles of impeachment later adopted by the House Judiciary Committee. For this reason, Nixon called Brooks his "executioner"



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tOyfN0F-bg
LBJ and Mary Lasker, 11/5/64, 2.42P

http://www.smokershistory.com/lbjconnx.htm

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/kennedy-laid-to-rest-at-arlington
Nov 25, 1963:
Kennedy laid to rest at Arlington


On this day in 1963, President John F. Kennedy, who was assassinated three days earlier, is buried at Arlington National Cemetery. It was his son's third birthday.

Kennedy's coffin had lain in state in the rotunda of the Capitol building the previous day. Approximately 250,000 people streamed by the closed flag-draped coffin in a massive outpouring of respect. The next day, television and movie cameras rolled while Kennedy's wife Jackie, his brothers Robert and Ted, political leaders and foreign dignitaries formed a solemn funeral procession behind Kennedy's coffin as it was transferred atop a horse-drawn caisson to St. Matthew's Cathedral. Observers noted the only sounds that could be heard were the cadence of drum beats and horses' hooves and muffled sobs from the approximately 1 million people who lined the route between the Capitol and the cathedral.
 At one point, Kennedy's son, John Jr., who turned three that day, was filmed saluting his father's coffin.

A year ago, after the wreckage from a plane crash washed up on the shores of a beach, Americans mourned the loss of another young member of one its most prominent and chronicled families. 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20131122/nfl-jfk-assassination-50-years/

In 1963 the Army vs. Navy football game was postponed after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. The game was played a week later, at the insistence of his widow Jacqueline, and a Navy team led by Roger Staubach beat Army. Narrated by Kyle Chandler.


http://jenniferlake.wordpress.com/tag/lbj/
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After Albert’s death in 1952, Mary kindled a fast friendship with Lyndon Baines Johnson. Author Michael Beschloss described Mary as the “New York philanthropist who had a flirtatious relationship with LBJ…before campaign finance disclosure laws [were enacted]…[helping to] quietly finance the Johnson campaign..through Walter Jenkins.., LBJ’s liason to the FBI.”  Beschloss called 

  Mary [Lasker] “the lavish Johnson donor” who told the new President Johnson, “There’s nothing we can’t do now..”

[p57 footnote and p132, Reaching For Glory]

Albert Davis Lasker http://www.smokershistory.com/pre1940.htm

   Cereal and cigarettes, sure enough, also have a role to play in this amalgamated drama. There can’t be a Boomer anywhere in America who hasn’t heard of Kellogg’s Corn Flakes made by the “cereal king” Will Keith Kellogg. In 1930, Kellogg’s new foundation sponsored the construction of the Radiation Lab at Caltech that graciously gave quarter to Lewis Strauss and the ‘refugees’ Brasch and Szilard.

   It was nearly a century ago when young Florence Sheets (Mrs.Mahoney) enrolled in the Kellogg’s Battle Creek Normal School of Physical Education. She followed her graduation there with a journey to the lawless domain of Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan and a job teaching dance at the local YWCA. Mahoney’s biographer, Judith Robinson, reports that she had a “girlhood ambition..to study medicine, but she got side-tracked on ballet,” nevertheless joining “an organization which aimed to establish health centers across the continent.” [p10, Noble Conspirator, Florence S. Mahoney and the Rise of the National Institutes of Health ]

In time, Mrs. Florence Mahoney and Mrs. Mary Lasker became one of Washington’s most famous pair of friends. Together, they were the Health Lobby on Capitol Hill, a partnership that began evolving in the 1920s over a mutual interest in birth control and mental health.

Bill White - William S. White:


http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1994-05-02/news/1994122054_1_pulitzer-prize-war-ii-taft





May 02, 1994

* William S. White, 88, World War II correspondent, political reporter, columnist and Pulitzer-Prize winning biographer, died Saturday in Louisville, Ky. He had been in failing health since a stroke about eight years ago, said his wife, June McConnell White. He began his journalism career in the 1920s while a student at the University of Texas and joined the Associated Press at the age of 20. He covered Washington and World War II for the AP, then joined the New York Times in 1945. He was the Times' chief congressional correspondent in 1958 when he left to write a syndicated column. "The Taft Story," his biography of Robert A. Taft, won the Pulitzer Prize in 1955. Taft, a Republican senator from Ohio, unsuccessfully sought his party's presidential nomination in 1952. As a reporter and a columnist, Mr. White forged close ties to a succession of the country's most powerful leaders, including Dwight D. Eisenhower, Lyndon B. Johnson and Richard Nixon. His other books include "The Citadel," based on his experience covering the Senate, and his memoirs, "The Making of a Journalist." His column, distributed by United Feature Syndicate, appeared in as many as 175 newspapers nationally until he retired in 1973.

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Lady Bird Johnson Home Movie #26: Friends visit the LBJ Ranch, Fall 1955
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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #99 on: November 26, 2013, 05:56:43 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYHchIwWC2Y
JFK'S "PARKING LOT" SPEECH IN FORT WORTH, TEXAS (NOVEMBER 22, 1963)

President John F. Kennedy, less than four hours before he was killed by an assassin's bullets, gave this brief speech in a rain-soaked parking lot outside the Hotel Texas in downtown Fort Worth, Texas, at 8:45 AM (Central Standard Time) on the morning of Friday, November 22, 1963.

This rare audio footage comes from the archives of Fort Worth radio station WBAP.

ALSO SEE:
http://JFK-In-Fort-Worth.blogspot.com
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-last-speeches-of-john-f-kennedy.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg6-9CptvyM
JFK Fort Worth Breakfast November 22 1963 TV coverage
President Kennedy KRLD TV Coverage 11-22-63 in Fort Worth at the chamber of Commerce

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w18UnPjkrwc
November 22, 1963 - President John F. Kennedy's Remarks at the Fort Worth Chamber of Commerce

President John F. Kennedy spoke at 9 a.m. (c.s.t.) in the Texas Hotel in Fort Worth. In his opening words he referred to Raymond Buck, president of the Fort Worth Chamber of Commerce, Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson, and to Governor John B. Connally, Senator Ralph W. Yarborough, Representative Jim Wright, Byron Tunnell, Speaker of the State House of Representatives, and Waggorier Cart, State Attorney General, all of Texas. He later referred to Marion Hicks, a vice president of Fort Worth General Dynamics and vice president of the Fort Worth Chamber of Commerce.
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http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=6250

TFX Scandal and the JFK assassination

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McNamara rejected the idea but evidence was to emerge later that Johnson did play an important role in the awarding of the TFX project to General Dynamics. For example, William Proxmire later began investigating the role played by Richard Russell in the granting of the C-5A contract to Lockheed. The C-5A was built in Marietta, Georgia, the state that Russell represented. The Air Force Contract Selection Board originally selected Boeing that was located in the states of Washington and Kansas. However, Proxmire claimed that Russell was able to persuade the board to change its mind and give the C-5A contract to Lockhead.

Proxmire quotes Howard Atherton, the mayor of Marietta, as saying that “Russell was key to landing the contract”. Atherton added that Russell believed that Robert McNamara was going ahead with the C-5A in order to “give the plane to Boeing because Boeing got left out on the TFX fighter.” According to Atherton, Russell got the contract after talking to Lyndon Johnson. Atherton added, “without Russell, we wouldn’t have gotten the contract”. (8)

Several journalists speculated that Johnson and his friends in Texas had played a key role in obtaining the TFX contract for General Dynamics. (9) When "reporters discovered that the Continental National Bank of Fort Worth, was the principal money source for the General Dynamics plant" in October, 1963, Fred Korth was forced to resign as Secretary of the Navy. (10)

Johnson’s role in these events was confirmed when Don B. Reynolds testified in a secret session of the Senate Rules Committee. As Victor Lasky pointed out, Reynolds “spoke of the time Bobby Baker opened a satchel full of paper money which he said was a $100,000 payoff for Johnson for pushing through a $7billion TFX plane contract.” (11)

Burkett Van Kirk, chief counsel for the Republican minority on the Senate Rules Committee later told Seymour Hersh that Senator John Williams of Delaware was being fed information by Robert Kennedy about the involvement of Lyndon Johnson and Bobby Baker in a series of scandals. Williams, the Senate’s leading investigator of corruption, passed this information to the three Republicans (John Sherman Cooper, Hugh Scott and Carl Curtis) on the ten-member Rules Committee. However, outnumbered, they were unable to carry out a full investigation into Johnson and Baker. Van Kirk claimed that Robert Kennedy supplied this information because he wanted “to get rid of Johnson.” (12)
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In his autobiography, Forty Years Against the Tide, Carl Curtis gives an insider view of the attempted investigation into the activities of Lyndon Johnson, Bobby Baker, Walter Jenkins and Fred Black. According to Curtis, Johnson managed to persuade the seven Democrats to vote against hearing the testimony of important witnesses. This included Margaret Broome, who served as Bobby Baker’s secretary before the position was taken by Carole Tyler, who later became his mistress. Tyler did testify but refused to answer questions on the ground that she might incriminate herself. Tyler was later to die in an airplane crash on the beach near the Carousel Motel, owned by Bobby Baker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNSUuseNcOI
JFK'S LAST TWO SPEECHES OF HIS LIFE (FROM FORT WORTH, TEXAS, ON NOVEMBER 22, 1963)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKkorth.htm



Meeting with Fred Korth, Secretary of the Navy, 12:05PM  1962 January 16
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General Dynamics had several factors in its favour. The president of the company was Frank Pace, the Secretary of the Army (April, 1950-January, 1953). The Deputy Secretary of Defense in 1962 was Roswell Gilpatric, who before he took up the post, was chief counsel for General Dynamics. The Secretary of the Navy was John Connally, a politician from Texas, the state where General Dynamics had its main plant.

Connally left the job in January 1962 and John F. Kennedy now appointed Korth as Secretary of the Navy. According to author Seth Kantor, Korth only got the job after strong lobbying from Lyndon B. Johnson. A few weeks after taking the post, Korth overruled top Navy officers who had proposed that the X-22 contract be given to Douglas Aircraft Corporation. Instead he insisted the contract be granted to the more expensive bid of the Bell Corporation. This was a subsidiary of Bell Aerospace Corporation of Forth Worth, Texas. This created some controversy as Korth was a former director of the company.

Korth also became very involved in discussions about the TFX contract. Korth, was the former president of the Continental Bank, which had loaned General Dynamics considerable sums of money during the late 1950s and early 1960s. Korth later told the John McClellan committee that investigated the granting of the TFX contract to General Dynamics “that because of his peculiar position he had deliberately refrained from taking a directing hand in this decision (within the Navy) until the last possible moment
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The TFX program involved the building of 1,700 planes for the Navy and the Air Force. The contract was estimated to be worth over $6.5 billion, making it the largest contract for military planes in the nation’s history
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John McClellan, chairman of the Permanent Investigations Committee, continued looking into the activities of Billie Sol Estes and Bobby Baker. During this investigation evidence emerged that Lyndon B. Johnson was also involved in political corruption. This included the award of a $7 billion contract for a fighter plane, the TFX, to General Dynamics, a company based in Texas. When it was discovered that the Continental National Bank of Fort Worth, was the principal money source for the General Dynamics plant. As a result of this revelation Korth resigned from office in October, 1963.

On 22nd November, 1963, a friend of Baker's, Don B. Reynolds told B. Everett Jordan and his Senate Rules Committee that he saw a suitcase full of money which Baker described as a "$100,000 payoff to Johnson for his role in securing the Fort Worth TFX contract".
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http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2011/10/sequoia-jfk-assassination.html
The Sequoia & the JFK Assassination

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Berzon claimed to be a former classmate of Commander Ismay, the former Commander of the “Sequoia,” the yacht of the Secretary of the Navy. According to Berzon, Ismay called him on February 7, 1965, and sought his advice as to whom he should contact concerning information in Ismay’s possession that the former Secretary of the Navy Fred Korth and Bobby Baker had entertained party girls aboard the “Sequoia”; also information that Ismay allegedly has implicating Korth in the assassination of President Kennedy.

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In fact, JFK's last birthday party was held on the "Sequoia," while docked at New York City, a few hours after Marilyn Monroe sang happy birthday Mister President at Madison Square Garden.

And it would seem that if JFK and Jackie had parties on the "Sequoia," that others did too, including RFK and Korth, the Secretary of the Navy who was permitted to resign when it was revealed that he used Navy stationary to do Continental Bank Business and had parties for bank officers aboard the boat.

http://www.reopenkennedycase.net/mark-groubert-collection-2.html

Shotgun victim, Verita Korth, with father, Fred Korth. John Connally's daughter, Kathleen was another who dies from a shotgun blast [Verita Korth commits "suicide" in 1969 - Kathleen Connally has a shotgun "accident" in 1959].

http://hamptonroads.com/2013/04/day-life-verita-korth-azalea-festival-queen-1963


http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=6538
In 1959, the 18 year old son of I.B. Hale was cleared by a Coroner's Jury in the shotgun death of his 16 year old pregnant wife, Kathleen, who was the daughter of John Connolly. The jury found that Kathleen Hale was killed by the accidental discharge of a 20 gauge shotgun.
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The charge that killed her entered behind Kathleen's right ear. What the...?
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https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?460-The-Strange-Saga-of-Papa-Pilgrim-Part-4-Kathleen-Connelly-(Hale)
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The story he told was jumbled and almost uncoherent. He said they had  quarreled, Kathleen had walked out, he had gone looking for her but did
 not find her, and that when he had returned to the apartment she was  sitting in a chair with his loaded shotgun pointed at her head, with her
 finger on the trigger.
 At the coroner's inquest he said that she told him, "Bobby, I am sick in  my mind and I need help, I know now that no one can help me." He said he
 tried to talk to her into putting the gun down, but she kept threatening  to use it. He grab for it, he said, and the gun went off." "

 "Exactly what happened in that room, what was said, and what was done,  we will never be completely sure.""
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Misfortunes followed. The Assassination of President Kennedy, at less  than an arms length, the bribery trial, the bankruptcy �All were
 traumatic, devastating, and ate away at the soul.  
 "However sad so grievous, none of these can equal the burden of sorrow  we will carry with us to the grave over the death of Kathleen. This is
 the first time I have ever discussed it in any detail, and it will also  be the last."

 John Connally.

So his daughter was married to the son of IB Hale , hmmm...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I._B._Hale
Insall Bailey "I. B." Hale (September 9, 1916 – 1971)
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 Hale became an FBI agent in Fort Worth, Texas and was a close associate of J. Edgar Hoover.[2] Later he became chief of security for Convair aircraft factory [3] and General Dynamics, and was a chairman of ASIS International.[2] Hale died of a heart attack in 1971.[2]
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Re: JFK Assassination Zapruder Stabilized Motion Panorama HD plus SloMo
« Reply #100 on: November 26, 2013, 07:13:26 PM »
JFK Assassination Zapruder Stabilized Motion Panorama HD plus SloMo - 50th anniversary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqk3sdfXFkc

Very interesting:

JFK Assassination Eyewitness View - Black Dog Man aka Badge Man (In my view) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8bditpfa8g

GORDON ARNOLD: Excerpt from: The Forces of Darkness of the series The Men Who Killed Kennedy which aired in 1988 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSQdnAcCbXI

"On that particularly morning what happened was I came down town and I thought there was gonna be a parade. So, what I did is I parked my car back here at this parking lot and intentionally walked to this particular corner because I wanted to take pictures of the parade off of the railroad bridge.

Well this is about how far I got cause what happened is when I got my leg to about this position (Gordon Arnold shows at the actual spot that day with one leg over a leg high iron fence) A man game around the corner off the bridge, had a suit on and he turned around and told me that I wasn't going to be there. And I quess I was more younger and spunkier at the time cause I told them: "You and who else ain't gonna keep me off the bridge" and he pulled out identificationcard and he said: "I am with the CIA" - and I said "Well that's enough muscle, I Ieave."

So, I turened around and brought my leg back over like this (actually pulls back his leg from the one step over the fence position) and walked down the fence line here about half way and I was looking over the fence to see if good get a good shot of the parade he came back up and told me he says: " I told ya to get out of this area!" and I said "OK" so I walked the complete length of the fence, got around on the other side.

That's when I started to line up my frame so that I could take the picture of the parade. I had been panning shots trough here so that I could get whatever was gonna come down that street, and I saw that it was the President of the United States. And as I was panning down this direction, just as I got about this position (Gordon Arnold shows with his hand the camera panning direction that day), a shot came right passed my left ear. And that meant, it would have come from this direction (Points with his left hand behind his left shoulder direction the parking lot which is right behind the wouden fence from which he's in front on the grassy knoll filming the parade). That's when I fell down and to me it seem a second shot was at least fired over my head, as bunch of report going on in this particular area at that time.

And what happened was that, while I was laying on the ground, it seem like a gentleman came from this particular direction and I thought he was a police officer cause he had the uniform of a police officer. But he didn't wear a hat and he had dirty hands but that didn't realy matter much at that time because, with him crying like he was, and with him shaking when he had the weapon in his hand, I think I'd gave him almost anything except the camera cause that was my mothers. And litteraly what the man did was kick, kick me, and ask me if I was taking a picture. I told him that I was, and when I looked at the weapon it was about that big around (Gordon Arnold shows the size of a hand gun between his hands) I decided let them go ahead and and have the film. I gave it to him and than he went back off in this direction (Gordon Arnold points with his left arm half way behind him). I went off in this direction (Gordon Arnold points left with his left arm).

And three days later I was on Alaska and I didn't come back to the United States for about 18 months."







JFK, Mary Moorman "Hard Hat Man" behind picket fence on Zapruder film http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML5OWZvnSM4
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This is the real deal!: JFK Assassination Sniper View - Badgeman 11/22/63
« Reply #101 on: November 26, 2013, 07:30:27 PM »
Well this is the real deal then: JFK Assassination Sniper View - Badgeman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSTHKuEN17E
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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #102 on: November 26, 2013, 08:00:12 PM »
This guy Confirms the four shots fired in which shot number 3 and 4 very close together http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhqq1UzONIE&feature=youtu.be&t=2m59s
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My Five Cents On The JFK Assassination---50 years Ago---11/22/63
« Reply #103 on: November 26, 2013, 08:52:45 PM »
My JFK Report anno 11/27/13 for the moment because this case will never rest also thanks to the in-put of these nut-cases making the official story so preposterous with the bogus ‘one bullet changing course in mid air’ theory that they’ve helped the case staying into public’s interest after so many years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBz3PqA2Fmc

OK. At least three man but most likely 4-men of which 2-of them behind the grassy knoll fence because they have been 100% identified and seen by the two eye witnesses.

A classic cross fire ambush one could say in which shot number 1 and 2 came from an other direction and thus not from the grassy knoll.

I think the idea was that each men was to fire one single shot since there was no time for reloading because they needed these precious split seconds to get away.

The Badge Man gives his gun immediately to the ‘Hard Hat Man’ aka ‘Railway Man’ after he’d fired the one single shot.

The ‘Railway Man’ immediately turns and walks away with the rifle which can be taken apart and fitted in his toolbox.

The same scenario goes for the second shooter besides the badge man behind the grassy knoll further down the fence wearing a blue hat and a black jacket.

He had a gun and he walked towards the railroad. He tossed the gun to a second man than he turned and straightened his jacket adjusted his hat and walked casually away.

The man with the striped railroad shirt walked over to the electrical box with the gun. He took the gun apart. He put it in a toolbox. He then walks slowly away in the direction of the railroad track.

Further details about shot and shooter number 1 and 2 can be filled in later. So much is crystal clear to me and these are my five cents so to speak.

I think essentially here is to notice that only a Badge Man/Police Man can go unnoticed with a gun in his hand.

OK, that’s it for me, Ya’ll been great ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O27RzZEOkeA
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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #104 on: November 26, 2013, 09:34:00 PM »
This guy is the real deal, ya bet ya ass he is!

Probably describing the ambush position of the shooter wearing the blue hat and a black jacket http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soqwKWDqRsg

Supporting witnesses http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvGX7k7J6aY
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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #105 on: November 27, 2013, 03:12:23 AM »
At least three man but most likely 4-men of which 2-of them behind the grassy knoll picket fence because they have been 100% identified and seen by the two eye witnesses.

A classic cross fire ambush one could say in which shot number 1 and 2 came from an other direction and thus not from the grassy knoll.

I think the idea was that each men was to fire one single shot since there was no time for reloading because they needed these precious split seconds to get away.


SHOOTER 3 THE BADGE MAN - Sniper View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSTHKuEN17E

ORG recordings: Gary Mack's JFK Assassination Gunshots Flexi-Disc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A6A909IdSU

The Badge Man gives his gun immediately to the Hard Hat Man aka Railway Man  after he’d fired the one single shot.

The Railway Man immediately turns and walks away with the rifle which can be taken apart and fitted in his toolbox.

Now the Badge Man/ Police Man desperately had to take possession of Arnolds film not blow his cover as he tought.

So the Badge Man/Police Man aproaches Gordon Arnold, who junped to the ground as a real soldier (according to witness on the other side of the road), because he had just fired a shot past Gordon Arnolds left ear,

"But he didn't wear a hat and he had dirty hands but that didn't realy matter much at that time because, with him crying like he was, and with him shaking when he had the weapon in his hand,

I think I'd gave him almost anything except the camera cause that was my mothers", says Gordon Arnold.

"And litteraly what the man did was kick, kick me, and ask me if I was taking a picture", Gordon Arnold says.

"I told him that I was, and when I looked at the weapon*** it was about that big around (Gordon Arnold shows the size of a hand gun between his hands) I decided let them go ahead and and have the film.

I gave it to him and than he went back off in this direction (Gordon Arnold points with his left arm half way behind him). I went off in this direction." (Gordon Arnold points left with his left arm).

SHOOTER 4 THE MAN WITH THE BLUE HAT AND THE BLACK JACKET - Witness Describing Ambush Position http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soqwKWDqRsg

The same scenario goes for the second shooter besides the badge man behind the grassy knoll further down the fence wearing a blue hat and a black jacket according to witness Ed Hoffman.

"He had a gun and he walked towards the railroad. He tossed the gun to a second man than he turned and straightened his jacket adjusted his hat and walked casually away", says Ed Hoffman.

"The man with the striped railroad shirt walked over to the electrical box with the gun. He took the gun apart. He put it in a toolbox. He then walks slowly away in the direction of the railroad track."


***I think essentially here is to notice that only a Badge Man/Police Man can go unnoticed with a gun in his hand.
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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #106 on: November 27, 2013, 03:32:16 AM »
Zapruder Film with Dictabelt Recording 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=623JsZCgjm8

Zapruder Film with Dictabelt Recording 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62sT13AAIag
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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #107 on: November 27, 2013, 05:40:28 AM »
Quiet amazing because somehow this '2011 New Find' struck a nerve in me.

Not because He's the Hard Hat Man aka Railway Man because I already knew that but because of his pose.

It looks like he's just getting handed over vertically a rifle and or has the rifle vertically to take it apart to put it in his toolbox.

JFK Assassination 2011 New Find http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRpBtkqbT7c

Sure enough is that the Hard Hat Man aka Railway Man moved along behind the Picket Fence.

I think there where two Railway Man. One standing beside the Badge Man with Hard Hat on in what seems to be a white T-Shirt.

The other Railway Man with with the "Striped Rail Road Shirt" standing beside Shooter Number 4 "The Man with the Blue Hat and a Black Jacket".

Both man used a toolbox to hide the gun after taking it apart immediately after both the Badge Man and the man with the Blue Hat and a Black Jacket each fired a single shot with 0.7 sec between them.

"The man with the Striped Rail Road Shirt walked over to the electrical box with the gun. He took the gun apart. He put it in a toolbox. He then walks slowly away in the direction of the rail road track."

The Rail Road man with the white T-Shirt walks along the Picket Fence seemingly to the position of Shooter Number 4 the man with the Blue Hat and a Black Jacket.


However there is the possibility that they are one and the same. For instance after Badge Man's single shot the Railway man in the white T-Shirt takes his gun takes it apart and put it in his toolbox.

He then puts on a Striped Rail Road Shirt walks along the Picket Fence towards shooter Number 4, the man with the Blue Hat and a Black Jacket, who tosses him his gun.

He then walks behind the electrical box takes this gun apart and put it next to the other taken apart Badge Man gun. He then walks slowly away in the direction of the rail road track with two taken apart guns in his toolbox.

Still I think it would be more logical, also looking at the very tight escape schedule, that these hit-men obviously followed, to have two rail-road men with two toolboxes next to the two shooters in order to be able taking the guns out of sight immediately after the shooting which was essential to their escape plan.

They worked very fast and most people running up to the Grassy Knoll where too late to see anything behind the Picket Fence. Maybe when people looked over the Fence the railway man was just kneeling behind the electrical box to take the number 4 gun apart, because nobody would be able to see him from that angle.

Definitely the way Railway man with the Striped Rail Road Shirt "slowly walks away" tells us something about the mindset of these guys.

The kept their nerves pretty much together where the Badge Man almost lost it when he had set his mind on getting the film role out of Gordon Arnold mother's film camera.

And I don't believe that Gordon Arnold's involuntary 18 month army Alaska trip just three days after was a coincidence.
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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #108 on: November 27, 2013, 01:32:33 PM »
I don't think Caroline ever did "release" the bit where her mother accuses LBJ... ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voDCp6-j1FI
Jacqueline Kennedy Tapes, Recorded After JFK Assassination, Reveal Intimate Secrets

http://www.thewire.com/entertainment/2011/09/jackie-kennedy-tapes-quotes/42352/
The Top Eight Quotes from the Jackie Kennedy Tapes


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023418/Jackie-O-tapes-reveal-JFKs-affairs-believed-death.html
Explosive Jackie O tapes 'reveal how she believed Lyndon B Johnson killed JFK and had affair with movie star'
She will allegedly reveal affair with actor William Holden
Believed Vice-President Johnson was behind husband's assassination
By Liz Thomas
UPDATED: 12:20 EST, 8 August 2011

Jackie Onassis believed that Lyndon B Johnson and a cabal of Texas tycoons were involved in the assassination of her husband John F Kennedy, ‘explosive’ recordings are set to reveal.

The secret tapes will show that the former first lady felt that her husband’s successor was at the heart of the plot to murder him.

She became convinced that the then vice president, along with businessmen in the South, had orchestrated the Dallas shooting, with gunman Lee Harvey Oswald – long claimed to have been a lone assassin – merely part of a much larger conspiracy.

Texas-born Mr Johnson, who served as the state’s governor and senator, completed Mr Kennedy’s term and went on to be elected president in his own right.

The tapes were recorded with leading historian Arthur Schlesinger Jnr within months of the assassination on November 22, 1963, and had been sealed in a vault at the Kennedy Library in Boston.

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A programme featuring the tapes will be aired by U.S. network ABC, and it is understood British broadcasters are in talks to show it here too.

ABC executives claimed the tapes’ revelations were ‘explosive’.
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It is believed that Caroline, 53, agreed to the early release of the tapes in exchange for ABC dropping its £10million drama series about the family.
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The series was eventually broadcast on an independent cable channel,  and on BBC2 in the UK, against Caroline’s wishes.
A spokesman for ABC said the claims about the content of the tapes were 'erroneous'.
He said: ‘The actual content of the tapes provide unique and important insight into our recent past from one of the most fascinating and influential First Ladies in American history.’

The broadcaster did not reply to repeated requests for comment and would not clarify what was on the tapes, saying the programme was not scheduled for broadcast until mid-September.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/08/jacqueline-kennedy-reportedly-believed-lyndon-b-johnson-behind-husbands/

Jacqueline Kennedy-Onassis believed Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson was behind the assassination of her husband, according to tapes recorded by the former first lady just months after President John F. Kennedy's death, the Daily Mail reports.

http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/36681/jackie-kennedy-lyndon-johnson-got-bobby-too/

NEW YORK – Sources say tapes released reveal that Jackie Kennedy believed Lyndon Johnson was also the  mastermind behind RFK’s assassination.

Tapes recorded by the First Lady months after the President’s death are to be released ahead of schedule by her daughter Caroline.

In the tapes, to be broadcast by ABC, Kennedy reveals her belief that Johnson and a cabal of Texas tycoons orchestrated the murder of her husband by gunman Lee Harvey Oswald AND, sources close to an insider at ABC said that the tapes also reveal that Jackie believed Johnson also orchestrated the murder of Bobby Kennedy.
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Kennedy, who later became Jackie Onassis, claims on the tapes that the Los Angeles murder was part of a larger conspiracy by Johnson to keep Robert Kennedy from becoming President.

But rumors by insiders who have sources close to people who know about the tapes, say that Jackie Kennedy reveals, on tape, that President Johnson had met with Sirhan Sirhan three weeks prior in the White House.  Sirhan Sirhan was taking a White House tour, when Johnson complimented him on his shoes.
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ABC executives have confirmed that the revelations in the tapes are ‘explosive’ with Jackie Kennedy allegedly blaming President Lyndon Johnson for the death of JFK.   The tapes were made in 1964, 1968 and 1970.  ABC executives have not confirmed that Jackie says that Lyndon Johnson had anything to do with Bobby’s death, but unreliable sources close to ABC say that this is definitely a second bombshell on the tapes.

Some sources close to tapes recorded by Dick Cavett stored in a vault in Bayonne, say that Lyndon Johnson was also responsible for the death of Janis Joplin and Jimi Hendrix.  “He was a wild Texan,” the Bayonne insider said.


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http://www.voltairenet.org/article165721.html

JFK and RFK: The Plots that Killed Them, The Patsies that Didn’t
by James Fetzer
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The assassinations of RFK and JFK were both conspiracies. Both involved the destruction of evidence. Both involved the fabrication of evidence. Both involved framing their patsies. Both involved complicity by local officials. Both involved planning by the CIA. Both were used to deny the American people of the right to be governed by leaders of their own choosing.

My purpose here is to outline how these things are done, because the agencies responsible for these events continue to employ the same techniques, not only of killing their targets but of covering them up. The more we understand how these things are done, the less likely we are to be deceived again.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLL8diz-7bw
Jim Fetzer: What Happened To JFK And Why It Matters Today

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/07/25/jfk-whos-telling-the-truth-clint-hill-or-the-zapruder-film/
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0aBqRB-DsFQ
The film itself thus demonstrates that the Zapruder version of Clint Hill’s actions up to the Triple Underpass contradict Clint Hill’s words describing what he actually did.

John’s collation of eyewitness reports about the assassination includes dozens and dozens about the limo stop. Some reported seeing it slow dramatically and others that it came to a complete stop, which makes sense since, from different positions, different witnesses would have seen it slow dramatically as it came to a complete stop. Among them is Toni Foster , who was interviewed by Debra Conway in 2000.

As Daniel Gallup has observed, Foster seems to have no idea that her recollections contradict the official record. Toni told Debra, “For some reason, the car stopped. It did stop for seconds. I don’t even know why it stopped and all of a sudden it sped up and they went under the underpass. I could never figure out why the car stopped.” “The way she delivers these lines,” Gallup observed, “I doubt Toni had ever seen the extant Z-film, and had no idea her recollections contradicted that film.”

 He said he was reminded of David Lifton’s early (1971) interviews with the Newmans who also said the limo had stopped. “They had no way of knowing at the time that the Z-film showed no such stop. All of this is to say, the earliest recollections of individuals are likely to be the most significant,” he added, “especially if there is evidence of a lack of exposure to contrary viewpoints that might influence memory”.
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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #109 on: November 28, 2013, 12:36:07 PM »
Some interesting links --- On this day LBJ "decides" to establish  a commission he controlled ... the Warren Commision ...

http://millercenter.org/president/speeches/detail/5657
Thanksgiving Message (November 28, 1963) Lyndon Baines Johnson

http://jfkfacts.org/assassination/on-this-date/nov-28-1963-lbj-backs-commission-to-investigate-the-assassination/
Nov 28 1963: LBJ backs Commission to investigate the assassination
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After the death of Oswald, Johnson and aides were determined to convince the public that the suspected assassin had acted alone but could not decide how.  By the 28th Johnson had swung behind the idea of a commission, although  there is a little documentation as to why he changed his mind
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http://jfkfacts.org/assassination/news/cia-admits-joannides-had-a-residence-in-new-orleans/
CIA admits undercover officer lived in New Orleans
November 11, 2013

In a court motion filed last week, the CIA acknowledged for the first time that deceased CIA officer George Joannides lived in New Orleans while handling contacts with an anti-Castro student organization whose members had a series of encounters with accused presidential assassin Lee Oswald in August 1963.

The unexpected admission came in arguments before a federal court judge about whether the CIA is obliged to pay $295,000 in legal fees incurred during my Freedom of Information Act lawsuit concerning certain 50-year-old JFK assassination records.
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Retired CIA officer George Joannides (left) received the Career Intelligence Medal from deputy CIA director Bobby Ray Inman on July 15, 1981.
(Photo credit: CIA


A medal for his service

In the Nov. 7 filing, Machen also disputed the significance of CIA records, released under appellate court order in 2008, that revealed Joannides had received a CIA medal.

In a previous filing, I argued that the previously unknown honor reflected official approval of Joannides’s actions in 1963 and in 1978, when he served as the CIA’s liaison to congressional investigators looking into Kennedy’s murder.
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http://jfkfacts.org/assassination/news/citing-cia-treachery-federal-judge-calls-for-release-of-secret-jfk-files/
Citing CIA ‘treachery,’ federal judge calls for release of secret JFK files.
November 26, 2013

In yesterday’s Boston Globe, Bryan Bender reported that Judge John Tunheim, former chair of a civilian review panel in charge of declassifying the government’s JFK assassination records, has called on the CIA to release all of its files on the late George Joannides, a deceased CIA officer involved in the events of 1963 and its confused investigatory aftermath.

“It really was an example of treachery,” Tunheim said in a recent interview of the CIA’s handling of the Joannides affair. “If [the CIA] fooled us on that, they may have fooled us on other things.”

He called on the agency to make public everything it knows about the Joannides, who is now dead.

“I think they should release them now because they clearly have become relevant to the assassination,” Tunheim said.

The CIA maintains that it has provided all relevant documents to the Archives.
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http://www.bostonglobe.com/2013/11/25/government-still-withholding-thousands-documents-jfk-assassination/PvBM2PCgW1H11vadQ4Wp4H/story.html
Troves of files on JFK assassination remain secret
 By Bryan Bender
 |  Globe Staff  
   November 25, 2013
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http://fff.org/2012/11/21/the-ongoing-kennedy-casket-mystery/
The Ongoing Kennedy Casket Mystery
by Jacob G. Hornberger November 21, 2012

On the 49th anniversary of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, among the glaring issues that cry out for explanation is the multiple delivery of Kennedy’s body to the Bethesda morgue on the evening of the assassination. After almost half-a-century, the government agencies and government officials who were involved still refuse to provide an explanation into that highly unusual and very mysterious episode. In fact, they still won’t even acknowledge that it happened despite the overwhelming amount of evidence that it did happen.
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http://www.freep.com/article/20131110/NEWS07/311100070/
JFK's last day: Rochester Hills audio expert's care, tapes reveal info, hint at more
November 10, 2013

This month, as events, books and TV specials mark the 50th anniversary of the assassination, a new piece of evidence with a metro Detroit connection has Kennedy researchers buzzing.

It’s an 88-minute audio recording of Air Force One radio transmissions that’s described as the most complete version of those communications yet.

And it may indicate that a longer version with fresh revelations is out there somewhere.

The recording is described on the JFKFacts.org website as among the most important pieces of assassination-related evidence to surface in the past five years.

It was enhanced for sound quality and combined from two separate tapes by audio and video forensic expert Ed Primeau and his Rochester Hills-based Primeau Forensics.

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Brad Finegan of Primeau Forensics combined the two tapes in chronological order using Kelly’s transcripts and some overlapping as guides. In addition, Primeau obtained aerial video footage from a pilot friend that Finegan and Primeau’s son, Mike, used to create a captioned video version of the Air Force One recording.
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“The Air Force One tapes are sort of like the black box of the assassination. It has all the basic information there you want to know of what happened at the highest levels of government in the two hours after the assassination. And it all should be right there, but there’s some that’s missing,” said Kelly, whose website is http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com.

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http://www.audioforensicexpert.com/john-f-kennedy-assassination-air-force-one-recordings/
Primeau Forensics Restored Air Force One Recordings from John F. Kennedy Assassination

Tuesday, October 8, 2013 @ 09:10 PM Author: Audio Forensic-Expert   

Lamb to the sacrifice symbolism:

 Jean hill saw a white dog in the limo was a LambChop puppet ...

At Love Field Airport, Jackie was given a small "look alike" Lambchop doll/puppet, reportedly, by a little girl. There was apparently some controversy, because the woman in the red coat, on the other side of the car, on the lawn, during the assasination, tried and tried to tell interviewers that she saw Jackie holding a little white "dog" or "puppet" of some kind as they drove by her - which of course - is right at the time of the fatal shot.

http://www.jfklancer.com/programs/guests/jhillobit.html
DALLAS, Tuesday, November 7, 2000
Jean Hill has passed away today.
... A child had presented Jackie Kennedy with a stuffed animal similar to Shari Lewis' Lamb Chop
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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #110 on: November 29, 2013, 12:36:09 PM »
http://www.ebay.com/bhp/life-magazine-november-29-1963

JOHN F. KENNEDY 'JFK' Vintage Original Life Magazine November 29, 1963


Time Cover | Lyndon Johnson | Nov. 29, 1963

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-1E7pivtss
PHONE CALL: LYNDON JOHNSON & J. EDGAR HOOVER (11/29/63)

On Friday, November 29, 1963, exactly one week after President John F. Kennedy had been killed by a sniper's bullets in Dallas, Texas, new U.S. President Lyndon B. Johnson made this telephone call to FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover.

November 29th was also the same day that Johnson announced the formation of the Warren Commission to investigate JFK's assassination.

Students of the JFK murder case will immediately take note of several factual errors within this phone call between LBJ and Hoover.
More information about some of those mistakes can be found at the link below:

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/09/fbi-errors.html

MORE LBJ PHONE CALLS:
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/08/lyndon-johnson-phone-calls.html


http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2011/Dec/02/fbi-chief-j-edgar-found-respite-del-mar-racetrack/
J. Edgar Hoover found respite at Del Mar

J. Edgar Hoover in jockeys' room with riders and their officials in 1947. — Courtesy Del Mar Fairgrounds

Indeed, the actual legendary G-man who led the FBI from 1935 to 1972 loved going to the Del Mar horse races.

“I have found that an afternoon at the races gives me complete relaxation from a grueling week of work in the FBI,” Hoover said in the interview. “It is a complete change of pace and has the advantage of being a colorful sport and outdoors. I have found racing to be a wholesome diversion.”


http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2011/jan/05/cover-oil-politics-la-jolla/

Oil and Politics in La Jolla
How two Texas oilmen ran Del Mar and national politicians from a La Jolla hotel.

Hotel del Charro:

PART ONE

It was the vortex of a dark universe, hiding in plain sight.

“At La Jolla (pronounced La Hoya), San Diego’s northern suburb,” the New York Times reported on January 17, 1954, “a syndicate of well-heeled Texans has spent a reported $1 million on a fabulous hostelry dubbed the Hotel del Charro.” The place had opened for business less than a year before, on May 29, 1953, and word was spreading fast.

No outsider ever actually knew who owned the hotel, for it was held by a Nevada corporation, Rancho del Charro, Inc. (the name was later changed to Hotel del Charro, Inc.). But the real owners were widely understood to be Clint Murchison and Sid Richardson, two Texas oilmen with an interest in everything from racetracks to uranium for use in the atomic bomb.

County records show that on June 10, 1953, the corporation borrowed $500,000 from the Atlantic Life Insurance Company of Richmond, Virginia, owned by Murchison. The month before, the corporation had purchased a liquor license that formerly belonged to Roy H. Pickford of the Rose Bowl Cocktail Lounge in Coronado.
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There were famous guests, ostentatious arrivals, drunks, bookies, movie stars, mobsters, atomic scientists, gamblers, Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, J. Edgar Hoover, and an excess of all things Texas, presided over by two of the richest men on earth.

Clint Murchison and Sid Richardson, who made their fortunes in Texas oil, were spending it on politicians, horses, and making more money. They were partial to Jim Beam, big cigars, hunting, homemade chili, and poker. Some of their friends were Mafiosi and the two oilmen didn’t cotton to liberals or snooty California society matrons, and they didn’t give a damn who cared.

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Britton described a cluster of freestanding units added to the back of the hotel by Murchison and Richardson, where their old friend and FBI director J. Edgar Hoover spent two weeks each summer. “Hoover, who formally patronized Casa Mañana (now exclusively for the old and retired, hence no place for Mr. G-man in full flush), occupied one of the ingenious ‘bungalows,’ which are the best architectural feature of Del Charro.”

The place was a safe distance out of town, on the road to Del Mar and points north, near the intersection of today’s La Jolla Parkway and Torrey Pines Road, a convenient drive to the Del Mar track, control of which they would soon acquire through some questionable dealings.

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Some mystery remains about exactly what J. Edgar Hoover did in return for that Texas hospitality. In The Man and His Secrets, writer Curt Gentry says he gave Murchison’s lobbyist Tom Webb advance word on forthcoming actions by federal agencies. Anthony Summers, author of Official and Confidential, the Secret Life of J. Edgar Hoover, quotes Allan Witwer as saying Hoover cleared the way for Murchison to buy the Del Mar track, which sat on leased property owned by the State of California.

“Murchison and Richardson were not only turned down by Al Hart [an ex-bootlegger and powerful mob-linked Hollywood figure] and his directors, they were practically thrown out of the office,” Witwer told Summers. “And Murchison said, ‘If those fellas won’t deal with me, we’ll sic old J. Edgar on them.’ And Hoover sent two FBI agents to call on Hart. I heard this from the agents themselves afterwards. And then Hart sold.”

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Another guest with mob ties was a wildcatter and fellow gambler from Houston. “My office faced the swimming pool, and one of the agents was in there with me one evening,” Witwer told Summers. “He looked out the window — we had torches by the pool at night — and he saw the wildcatter, and he said, ‘Allan, what’s he doing here? D’you know who he is?’ And I said, ‘Sure.’ And he said, ‘I bet you don’t know. He’s a partner of New Orleans Mafia boss Carlos Marcello. And I said, ‘Well, tell Hoover that! He has breakfast with him every morning.’ I got a kind of shock that Hoover would allow [the wildcatter] to be with him at all.”

Some said they had even seen Marcello himself, whose various enterprises included a West Coast racing wire and California call-girl operations, hanging around the pool at Del Charro.


Another witness to Hoover’s mob associations was Del Charro regular John Connally, Richardson’s top aide, who was later to become governor of Texas. “I spent nine extraordinary years working for Sid Richardson and Perry Bass, and through them had frequent, if casual, contact with the dominant figure of American intrigue: J. Edgar Hoover,” Connally recounted in a 1993 autobiography. During summers at Del Charro, Connally said, Hoover “tried to avoid the mobsters who also enjoyed their afternoons of horse racing, but a few of them he got along with quite well.”
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http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2011/jan/12/feature-big-rich-part-two/


http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmurchison.htm
Clinton Murchison Sr.
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Murchison and Sid Richardson, became friends of J. Edgar Hoover, the head of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. It was the start of a long friendship. According to Anthony Summers, the author of The Secret Life of J. Edgar Hoover (1993): "Recognizing Edgar's influence as a national figure, the oilmen had started cultivating him in the late forties-inviting him to Texas as a houseguest, taking him on hunting expeditions. Edgar's relations with them were to go far beyond what was proper for a Director of the FBI."

Hoover and his friend, Clyde Tolson, were regular visitors to Murchison's Del Charro Hotel in La Jolla, California. The three men would visit the local racetrack, Del Mar. Allan Witwer, the manager of the hotel at the time, later recalled: "It came to the end of the summer and Hoover had made no attempt to pay his bill. So I went to Murchison and asked him what he wanted me to do." Murchison told him to put it on his bill. Witwer estimates that over the next 18 summers Murchison's hospitality was worth nearly $300,000. Other visitors to the hotel included Richard Nixon, John Connally, Lyndon B. Johnson, Meyer Lansky, Santos Trafficante, Johnny Rosselli, Sam Giancana and Carlos Marcello.

In 1952 Hoover and Murchison worked together to mount a smear campaign against Adlai Stevenson, the Democratic Party candidate for the presidency. Hoover and his friend, Clyde Tolson, also invested heavily in Murchison's oil business. In 1954 Murchison joined forces with Richardson and Robert Ralph Young to gain control of the New York Central Railroad. This involved buying 800,000 shares worth $20 million.
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On 16th October, 1962, President Kennedy was able to persuade Congress to pass an act that removed the distinction between repatriated profits and profits reinvested abroad. While this law applied to industry as a whole, it especially affected the oil companies. It was estimated that as a result of this legislation, wealthy oilmen saw a fall in their earnings on foreign investment from 30 per cent to 15 per cent.

The following year, on 17th January, 1963, President Kennedy presented his proposals for tax reform. This included relieving the tax burdens of low-income and elderly citizens. Kennedy also claimed he wanted to remove special privileges and loopholes. He even said he wanted to do away with the oil depletion allowance. It is estimated that the proposed removal of the oil depletion allowance would result in a loss of around $300 million a year to Texas oilmen
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Rumours began to circulate that Murchison might have been involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. A friend of Murchison, Madeleine Brown, claimed in an interview on the television show, A Current Affair that on the 21st November, 1963, she was at his home in Dallas. Others at the meeting included Haroldson L. Hunt, J. Edgar Hoover, Clyde Tolson, John J. McCloy and Richard Nixon.

http://tripinthedark.wordpress.com/2012/06/26/fun-at-the-del-charro/
Fun At The Del Charro
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Clint Murchison, an oil millionaire whose wealth was nurtured and preserved by the oil depletion allowance, ran the the Del Charro Hotel  in La Jolla, California. The Del Charro was not run for profit.  Hotel “guests” generally didn’t pay for food or lodging.

The frequent guests were all power figures like J. Edgar Hoover (Director of the FBI), Carlos Mossello (New Orleans Mafia head), Richard Nixon (who lost the 1960 presidential election to Kennedy), Bobby Baker (Johnson’s right hand man and secretary of the US Senate), a wealthy man named D.H. Byrd (the owner of the Texas Book Depository) and Edward Clark, a politician and lobbyist (for Murchison) who came to be known as the “arranger”. Another guest was William K. Harvey, a former FBI man who worked with the CIA’s foreign assassination projects.



http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKgroup8F.htm

Suite 8F Group
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Suite 8F helped to coordinate the political activities of other right-wing politicians and businessmen based in the South. This included Robert Anderson (president of the Texas Mid-Continent Oil and Gas Association, Secretary of the Navy and Secretary of the Treasury), Robert Kerr (Kerr-McGee Oil Industries), Billie Sol Estes (entrepreneur in the cotton industry), Glenn McCarthy (McCarthy Oil and Gas Company), Earl E. T. Smith (U.S. Sugar Corporation), Fred Korth (Continental National Bank and Navy Secretary), Ross Sterling (Humble Oil), Sid Richardson (Texas oil millionaire), Clint Murchison (Delhi Oil), Haroldson L. Hunt (Placid Oil), Eugene B. Germany (Mustang Oil Company), David Harold Byrd (Byrd Oil Corporation), Lawrence D. Bell (Bell Helicopters), William Pawley (business interests in Cuba), Gordon McLendon (KLIF), George Smathers (Finance Committee and businessman), Richard Russell (chairman of the Committee of Manufactures, Committee on Armed Forces and Committee of Appropriations), James Eastland (chairman Judiciary Committee), Benjamin Everett Jordan (chairman of the Senate Rules Committee), Fred Black (political lobbyist and Serve-U Corporation) and Bobby Baker (political lobbyist and Serve-U Corporation).

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In 1955 Lyndon B. Johnson became majority leader of the Senate. Johnson and Richard Russell now had complete control over all the important Senate committees. This was proving to be an expensive business. The money used to bribe these politicians came from Russell’s network of businessmen. These were men usually involved in the oil and armaments industries.

According to John Connally, large sums of money was given to Johnson throughout the 1950s for distribution to his political friends. “I handled inordinate amounts of cash”. A great deal of this came from oilmen. Cornel Wilde worked for the Gulf Oil Corporation. In 1959 he took over from David Searls as chief paymaster to Johnson. He testified that he made regular payments of $10,000 to Walter Jenkins.


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On the advice of Lyndon B. Johnson, Kennedy appointed John Connally as Secretary of the Navy. This was an important post as it controlled a great deal of federal spending, including the contract to provide oil to the US Navy. When Connally became Governor of Texas, Johnson arranged for fellow Texan, Fred Korth, to become the new Navy Secretary.
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In November, 1963, Fred Korth was forced to resign as a result of accusations of corruption following the award of a $7 billion contract for a fighter plane, the TFX, to General Dynamics, a company based in Texas. Johnson could not afford to appoint another Texan in this post. Instead he selected Paul Nitze, the husband of Phyllis Pratt, a Standard Oil heiress.

The assassination of John F. Kennedy brought an end to this proposal to bring an end to the oil depletion allowance. The Suite 8F Group also did very well out of the escalation of the Vietnam War. They formed a new company called RMK-BRJ to obtain these contracts. This included Halliburton who took over Brown & Root in 1962. These contracts included building jet runways, dredging channels for ships, hospitals, prisons, communications facilities, and building American bases from Da Nang to Saigon. RMK-BRJ did 97% of the construction work in Vietnam. The other 3% went to local Vietnamese contractors. Between 1965 and 1972 Brown & Root (Halliburton) alone obtained revenues of $380 million from its work in Vietnam.


The Del Charro -- a melting pot of evil - by Dan Eden for Viewzone

The Del Charro was quid pro quo and provided a social atmosphere where organized crime, the FBI chief, big oil money and political power could mingle.


 


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The interesting Alsop brothers .... Joseph Alsop was gay but had just married Susan Mary nee Jay she knew he was gat too but didn't seem to mind.  Oh, everyone knew he was gay, so on this phone call when LBJ congratulates him on his marriage it's pretty strange. Both were closely connected with the CIA and were members of the Georgetown set.  So it's no surprise that LBJ calls Alsop with the news of the Warren Commission first to handle the press coverage. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSsPJz44h1s
LBJ and Joseph Alsop 11/29/1963. 7:00P.
Warren Commission: Telephone Conversation between President Johnson and Joseph Alsop.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/11/fashion/susan-mary-alsop-a-two-continent-hostess.html?_r=0

Jacqueline Kennedy and President Kennedy arriving at the home of Joseph Alsop in 1961.


Susan Mary Alsop
Stewart Alsop

Joseph Alsop

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/08/29/obituaries/joseph-alsop-dies-at-home-at-78-political-columnist-since-the-30-s.html
Joseph Alsop Dies at Home at 78; Political Columnist Since the 30's
August 29, 1989

Joseph Alsop, the syndicated Washington columnist whose robust opinions appeared in newspapers around the country for five decades, died yesterday morning in his house in the Georgetown section of Washington. He was 78 years old.

Reached at his house, his sister-in-law Patricia Alsop - the widow of his brother and former collaborator, Stewart Alsop - said Joseph Alsop's death was caused by severe anemia, lung cancer and severe emphysema, all of which he had been fighting for more than a year.

Mr. Alsop, who was related to the Oyster Bay branch of the Roosevelt family, was a shrewd, dogged, well-connected newsman with an exaggerated old-school manner, and he dearly loved controversy.

He was a fierce supporter of the United States effort in Vietnam and, in the late 1950's, a champion of the view that the United States was letting the Soviet Union open a dangerous ''missile gap.''
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Alsop

Joseph Wright Alsop V (October 10, 1910 – August 28, 1989) was an American journalist and syndicated newspaper columnist from the 1930s through the 1970s ...  His mother was the niece of Theodore Roosevelt and was also related to President James Monroe...

The Alsops once described themselves as "Republicans by inheritance and registration, and...conservatives by political conviction."[4] Despite his identity as a conservative Republican, however, Alsop was an early supporter of the presidential ambitions of Democrat John F. Kennedy and became a close friend and influential adviser to Kennedy after his election in November 1960. Alsop was a vocal supporter of America's involvement in Vietnam, which led to bitter breaks with many of his liberal friends and a decline in the influence of his column.

Military service and CIA

Alsop entered the Navy and used his political connections to be assigned as Staff Historian to Claire Chennault's American Volunteer Group, later famous as the Flying Tigers,[5] while the group was training at Toungoo, Burma. While on a supply mission for Chennault in December 1941, Alsop was captured and interned at Hong Kong by the Japanese. Repatriated on the neutral liner Gripsholm, he rejoined Chennault in Kunming, China and served with him for the rest of the war.

Alsop also helped the Central Intelligence Agency in its intelligence gathering activities, using his status as a foreign correspondent as cover. In 1953, Alsop covered the Philippine elections at the CIA's request


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13830-2004Aug18.html
Socialite Susan Mary Alsop Dies
D.C. Hostess Hobnobbed With Presidents, Prime Ministers
Thursday, August 19, 2004

Susan Mary Alsop, 86, the grand dame of Washington society whose Georgetown dinner parties epitomized the nexus of political power and social arrival in the 1960s, died Aug. 18 of complications from pneumonia at her home.

Mrs. Alsop's dining room was considered the absolute center of Georgetown's social scene at a time when President John F. Kennedy's arrival energized the once-sleepy capital. Her guests were the witty, the accomplished and the credentialed from the worlds of politics, media and diplomacy, and they used the opportunity to strike alliances, argue foreign affairs and bargain over the nation's fortunes

As the descendant of one of America's first families (she was a Jay, as in John Jay, the first chief justice of the United States), she grew up privileged and firmly a member of the most elite Eastern Establishment circles.
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Patten died in 1960, after years of battling emphysema. She married his college roommate, columnist Joseph Alsop, the next year, and moved to Washington, apparently with full knowledge that he was gay. She said he was a good stepfather to her daughter and son, Bill Patten, although memoirs from the period say he treated her rudely in public.


http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKalsop.htm
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Joseph Alsop
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Alsop lived in Washington where he associated with a group of journalists, politicians and government officials that became known as the Georgetown Set.

This included Frank Wisner, George Kennan, Dean Acheson, Richard Bissell, Desmond FitzGerald, Joseph Alsop, Stewart Alsop, Tracy Barnes, Philip Graham, David Bruce, Clark Clifford, Walt Rostow, Eugene Rostow, Chip Bohlen, Cord Meyer, Richard Helms, Desmond FitzGerald, Frank Wisner, James Angleton, William Averill Harriman, John McCloy, Felix Frankfurter, John Sherman Cooper, James Reston, Allen W. Dulles and Paul Nitze.


Most men brought their wives to these gatherings. Members of what was later called the Georgetown Ladies' Social Club included Katharine Graham, Mary Pinchot Meyer, Sally Reston, Polly Wisner, Joan Braden, Lorraine Cooper, Evangeline Bruce, Avis Bohlen, Janet Barnes, Tish Alsop, Cynthia Helms, Marietta FitzGerald, Phyllis Nitze and Annie Bissell.

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Alsop worked closely with the CIA. According to Carl Bernstein: "In 1953, Joseph Alsop, then one of America’s leading syndicated columnists, went to the Philippines to cover an election. He did not go because he was asked to do so by his syndicate. He did not go because he was asked to do so by the newspapers that printed his column. He went at the request of the CIA. Alsop is one of more than 400 American journalists who in the past twenty-five years have secretly carried out assignments for the Central Intelligence Agency, according to documents on file at CIA headquarters."
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In 1957, during his first and only visit to the Soviet Union, Joe was entrapped by the KGB in a Moscow hotel room. According to Evan Thomas: "Alsop foolishly allowed himself to be caught in a honey trap by the KGB on a trip to Moscow in 1957. The Russians took photos of Alsop in the midst of a homosexual act with a KGB agent and tried to blackmail him into becoming an agent." Edwin Yoder has argued in his book, Joe Alsop's Cold War: A Study of Journalistic Influence and Intrigue (1995), that the existence of these photographs did not stop Alsop from continuing to denounce the Soviet Union. However, twelve years later Alsop discovered that the photographs had come into the possession of J. Edgar Hoover.
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Frances Stonor Saunders, the author of Who Paid the Piper: The CIA and the Cultural Cold War? (1999) has argued that a high-level CIA official told her that Stewart Alsop was a "CIA agent". Saunders discussed this issue with Joseph Alsop. He dismissed this claim as "absolute nonsense" but admitted that both men were very close to the agency: "I was closer to the Agency than Stew was, though Stew was very close... I dare say he did perform some tasks - he did the correct thing as an American... The Founding Fathers of the CIA were close personal friends of ours... It was a social thing. I have never received a dollar, I never signed a secrecy agreement. I didn't have to... I've done things for them when I thought they were the right thing to do. I call it doing my duty as a citizen... The CIA did not open itself at all to people it did not trust... Stew and I were trusted, and I'm proud of it."

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/NDstewart_alsop.htm
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Stewart Alsop
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After the United States entered the Second World War Alsop was rejected by the United States Army because of high blood pressure. Desperate to play his part he went to England and joined the British Army. While serving in the army he met and married Patricia Hankey. Alsop eventually joined the Special Operations Executive (SOE).

In July 1944, Stewart Alsop and Thomas Braden went to work with Allen Dulles at the Office of Strategic Services (OSS). Soon afterwards he was parachuted into the Périgord region of France to aid the French Resistance. Alsop later recalled: "Going behind enemy lines, according to the rules of warfare, is not a task which one man can command another to do. Perhaps one tenth of the men who were in OSS saw service behind the lines, but all of them who did so volunteered to do so, and the volunteers knew no bounds of money or political belief." Alsop was later awarded the Croix de Guerre for his work. After the war Alsop co-wrote with Braden a history of the OSS called Sub Rosa: The O.S.S. and American Espionage (1946).
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Frances Stonor Saunders, the author of Who Paid the Piper: The CIA and the Cultural Cold War? (1999) has pointed out: "In long exchanges, heated by intellectual passion and alcohol, their vision of a new world order began to take shape. Internationalist, abrasive, competitive, these men had an unshakeable belief in their value system, and in their duty to offer it to others. They were the patricians of the modern age, the paladins of democracy, and saw no contradiction in that. This was the elite which ran American foreign policy and shaped legislation at home. Through think-tanks to foundations, directorates to membership of gentlemen's clubs, these mandarins were interlocked by their institutional affiliations and by a shared belief in their own superiority."

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKbraden.htm

The Assassination of John F. Kennedy  >
Thomas Braden
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Braden was recruited into Special Operations Executive (SOE) and in 1944, along with Stewart Alsop he went to work with Allen Dulles at the Office of Strategic Services (OSS).
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Braden oversaw the funding of groups such as the National Student Association, the Congress of Cultural Freedom, Communications Workers of America, the American Newspaper Guild and the National Educational Association. According to Braden, the CIA was putting around $900,000 a year into the Congress of Cultural Freedom. Some of this money was used to publish its journal, Encounter.

Braden and the IOD also worked closely with anti-Communist leaders of the trade union movement such as George Meany of the Congress for Industrial Organization and the American Federation of Labor. This was used to fight Communism inits own ranks. As Braden said: "The CIA could do exactly as it pleased. It could buy armies. It could buy bombs. It was one of the first worldwide multinationals."
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According to Warren Hinckle and William Turner (Deadly Secrets), in 1963 Braden advised Robert Kennedy: "Why don't you just go on a crusade to find out about the murder of your brother?". Kennedy shook his head and said it was too horrible to think about and that he decided to just accept the findings of the Warren Commission.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/06/28/jfk-conspiracy-the-bullet-hole-in-the-windshield/
JFK Conspiracy: The bullet hole in the Windshield
by Jim Fetzer
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The Windshield Bullet Hole Witnesses

Lincoln limousine being stripped down and rebuilt at Ford on Monday, 25 November 1963, just three days later
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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #111 on: November 29, 2013, 08:58:02 PM »
http://www.amazon.com/LBJ-Kennedy-Killing-...&keywords=Tague


I JUST STARTED READING THIS BOOK (ON PG 49). THIS IS EXTREMELY INTERESTING! A MUST READ! After only 49 pgs, it already shows Oswald was a patsy!

More on Eyewitness James Tague who was recently interviewed on the Alex Jones Radio show:
http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Decep...5#entry22018084
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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #112 on: November 30, 2013, 12:08:01 PM »
Seems rather odd - just a week after Kennedy has been murdered - it's all smiles for the Presidential family portrait.... 11-30-1963

http://transition.lbjlibrary.org/items/show/67627

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L-R: Lady Bird Johnson, President Lyndon B. Johnson, Lynda Bird Jonson, and Luci Baines Johnson

Photograph, President Johnson family portrait, 11/30/1963, W16-16, White House Photo Office, LBJ Presidential Library, accessed November 30, 2013

http://transition.lbjlibrary.org/transition_files/19631130.pdf

DAILY DIARY 11-30-63

http://transition.lbjlibrary.org/items/show/67493
Jesse KELLAM ADVISES LBJ ON HIS PHYSICAL APPEARANCE ON TV, JOHNSON FAMILY BUSINESS, POSSIBLE SPEECH BY RALPH BUNCHE AT AUSTIN ROTARY CLUB, HUNTING AT LBJ RANCH, JAKE PICKLE'S CAMPAIGN IN SPECIAL ELECTION FOR CONGRESS, UPCOMING LUDWIG ERHARD VISIT TO LBJ RANCH


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Valenti
Jack Joseph Valenti (September 5, 1921 – April 26, 2007)
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After earning an M.B.A. from Harvard University in 1948, Valenti went to work for Humble Oil in its advertising department, where he helped the company's Texas gas stations jump from fifth to first in sales through a "cleanest restrooms" campaign.[1]
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Valenti served as liaison with the news media during the November 22, 1963 visit of President John F. Kennedy and Vice-President Lyndon B. Johnson to Dallas, Texas, and Valenti was in the presidential motorcade. Following the assassination of President Kennedy, Valenti was present in the famous photograph of Lyndon Johnson's swearing in aboard Air Force One, and flew with the new president to Washington. He then became the first "special assistant" to Johnson's White House and lived in the White House for the first two months of Johnson's presidency
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http://alcalde.texasexes.org/2012/02/cruel-to-be-kind-lbj-behind-the-scenes/
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Jack Valenti: Before I first went up [to Washington] . . . on that terrible trip back from Dallas, the President had called me over and said, “I want you on my staff, and you are going to fly back with me.” Before we even took off, he said this. I said two dumb things. The first was, “I don’t have any clothes, Mr. President.”

He said, “You can go buy some.”

And the second thing was, “I don’t have a place to live.” That was really a mistake. He said, “You can live with me until Mary Margaret [Valenti’s wife] gets there.”

I thought it was very gracious of him and very loving and fine. Eleven days after he was president, he moved into the White House and put me up on the third floor. Being within arm’s distance from Lyndon Johnson meant that you were with him every hour of the day, and the days were long and the nights were short. He would call me at about five thirty in the morning:

“Well, what are you doing?” What am I doing? . . . “Well,” he said, “get out of bed. Come on. We have work to do.” And I groggily would find my way down at six o’clock in the morning. And about one o’clock the next morning it would be over, and then it started again at five-thirty in the morning.

I got down on my knees and thanked God for liberating me when my wife finally got up here and we went to an apartment to live in and I left that White House, away from the all-embracing impact of that man.
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Valenti had worked for Humble Oil which was run by Billy Byars:

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v2n1/chrono2.pdf
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12:35 PM (Nov. 22, 1963)
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The phone log for J. Edgar Hoover on this day shows that, aside from calls to RFK and the head of the Secret Service, Hoover called only one man on the afternoon the President is shot: Billy Byars.

Within four days, the FBI will receive a tip-off that Clint Murchison and Tom Webb - the FBI veteran the millionaire has hired at Hoover’s suggestion - are both acquainted with Jack Ruby. While they deny it, Ruby has met one of Murchison’s best friends, Humble Oil millionaire Billy Byars. Hoover and Byars are close. They use adjacent bungalows at Murchison’s California hotel each summer. O&C

[ Strangely  Billy Byars Sr. adopted a son Billy Byars Jr. who went on to produce  pornographic films and was a friend of J Edgar Hoover: ]

http://www.newgon.com/wiki/Billy_Byars,_Jr.

Billy Byars, Jr. (1936-), owner of Lyric International, producer of The Genesis Children, partner to pornographer Guy Strait, friend of J. Edgar Hoover, key figure in "the first child pornography ring ... brought to public view", perpetual footnote in Kennedy assassination theories, is a fascinating figure.

And also a public figure, which permits his discussion here. Mr. Byars is of primary interest here as the owner of Lyric. Many of Lyric's reputedly 90 magazines and many movies still circulate on the Internet. Photographed by Harlan 'Slim' Pfeiffer, many were filmed in Mr. Byars's home - also the Lyric studio - and around the pool with the cinderblock walls in his backyard. While Lyric's films featured extensive nudity of boys and young men, Lyric produced only "physique" photography and never pornography. However, two of the "Lyric boys" who played around Byars's pool later found their way into the bed - or at least the limousine - of the Director of the FBI.

Billy Goebel Byars, Jr. was born in Texas in August, 1936 and adopted through the Edna Gladney Foundation in Fort Worth by oil man Billy Byars, Sr. and his wife, Emily.[Viola Hegyi Swisher, "Generating The Genesis Children", After Dark, September 1972, p. 18].

http://en.boywiki.org/wiki/Billy_Byars,_Sr.

Billy Byars, Sr. (1901-1965) was the father of Billy Byars, Jr., owner of prominent naturist publisher Lyric International, and producer of the feature film The Genesis Children.

The elder Byars was a Texas oil man, sometimes referred to as "Humble Oil millionaire Billy Byars.”[Anthony Summers, Official and Confidential: The Secret Life of J. Edgar Hoover. New York: G.P. Putnam’s Sons, 1993, p. 329]. A history through 1948 of Humble Oil (which changed its name to Exxon in 1973) lists not a single Byars among the founders, officers, or executives. [Larson, Henrietta M. and Porter, Kenneth Wiggins. History of Humble Oil & Refining Company; a study in industrial growth, New York, Harper, 1959]. Whatever his Humble connection, there is no question that Byars was a prominent oilman, and even a small part of Exxon is a very large thing. There is a Northeast Byars Oil Field in Pottawatomie County, Oklahoma, latitude 34.93222 Longitude: -96.98639.[[1]]

In an interview, Byars, Jr. the interviewer described his late father as "a Tyler, Texas wildcatter" and a friend of presidents and of Pancho Villa. She says "Starting with nothing, Byars, Sr. became a millionaire at twenty, went broke at twenty-one and hit millionaire status again by age twenty-five."[[Viola Hegyi Swisher, Generating "The Genesis Children" , After Dark September 1972, p. 18]]. Mr Byars adopted his son Billy, Jr, in 1936 and the next year, in the midst of the Depression, built a very substantial house in Tyler, Texas, where he was to live until his death in 1965 [2]. He also owned a the Byars Royal Oaks Farm in Tyler, where he raised Black Angus cattle. [Eisenhower papers, infra]. The NY Times index lists no obituary.

Billy Byars, Sr. was a friend of J. Edgar Hoover. Summers says,
"Byars was close to Edgar. They used adjacent bungalows at [Texas oilman Cliff] Murchison's California hotel each summer. The phone log for the Director’s office shows that, aside from calls to Robert Kennedy and the head of the Secret Service, Hoover called only one man on the afternoon the President was shot – Billy Byars."
Byars had also met Jack Ruby, who would kill Lee Harvey Oswald. [Summers, supra, p. 329]

Byars was one of Lyndon Johnson’s financial backers when the Texas Senator sought the Presidential nomination in 1960. [Summers, ibid, p 263]
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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #113 on: November 30, 2013, 12:22:08 PM »
LBJ was one traitorous, cruel S.O.B.
 JFK, Gulf of Tonkin FF, SS Liberty massacre, Vietnam 60,000 USA & 300,000 Vietnamese slaughtered.$$$$$$$$$.
 Strange, but it's human nature- most folks deep down know the truth, they just don't want to face it, lock it way in that dark closet of their minds and wiggle the Ole flag.                                 The  Bubble syndrome.
 

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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #114 on: November 30, 2013, 12:55:13 PM »
LBJ was one traitorous, cruel S.O.B.
 JFK, Gulf of Tonkin FF, SS Liberty massacre, Vietnam 60,000 USA & 300,000 Vietnamese slaughtered.$$$$$$$$$.
 Strange, but it's human nature- most folks deep down know the truth, they just don't want to face it, lock it way in that dark closet of their minds and wiggle the Ole flag.                                 The  Bubble syndrome.
  

For years I kept my doubts up that he was part of the murder but now I believe he had to be in on it. He had to have had prior knowledge and sought to immediately begin covering up evidence. Also in the car with Kennedy was supposed to be sitting with Yarborough not Connally ! So LBJ's pal (Connally) would NOT have been shot that day had things gone exactly to plan: 
" LBJ was furious with this arrangement ... he demanded that Connally sit next to him and Yarborough sit with Kennedy "
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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #115 on: November 30, 2013, 06:30:36 PM »
Hi T.
I watched a show today, history channel about the JFK murder, 71% of Americans believe it was a conspiracy.
 That said, what is the effect nationally,      FEAR.
The elites grabbed the crown and are proud ( ego tripping ) of the fact they got away with it leaving the GP knowing anyone who gets in their way, presidential or commoner is dead meat.
  Just about any human being with SOUL , integrity who can make a difference is walking on enemy territory. This may sound a tad off base but I'm confident you will agree. Who killed Christ? Was it really P.Pilot, UH UH, he was motivated by the Sanhedrin, the big dogs.
 JC threatend their base of power, he shined, therefor his light had to be put out.
  Not saying JFK was a Christ, simply the fact any soul full human with a tad of influence is at risk.
Our congress may have a few poodles around barking, ya know the appearance of dissent is allowed, but ignored. The slobs on the hill know if they go to far they will end up taking a dirt nap.

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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #116 on: November 30, 2013, 11:02:12 PM »
"http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=6538
In 1959, the 18 year old son of I.B. Hale was cleared by a Coroner's Jury in the shotgun death of his 16 year old pregnant wife, Kathleen, who was the daughter of John Connolly. The jury found that Kathleen Hale was killed by the accidental discharge of a 20 gauge shotgun.
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The charge that killed her entered behind Kathleen's right ear. What the...?


https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?460-The-Strange-Saga-of-Papa-Pilgrim-Part-4-Kathleen-Connelly-(Hale)
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The story he told was jumbled and almost uncoherent. He said they had  quarreled, Kathleen had walked out, he had gone looking for her but did
 not find her, and that when he had returned to the apartment she was  sitting in a chair with his loaded shotgun pointed at her head, with her
 finger on the trigger.
 At the coroner's inquest he said that she told him, "Bobby, I am sick in  my mind and I need help, I know now that no one can help me." He said he
 tried to talk to her into putting the gun down, but she kept threatening  to use it. He grab for it, he said, and the gun went off." "

 "Exactly what happened in that room, what was said, and what was done,  we will never be completely sure.""
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Misfortunes followed. The Assassination of President Kennedy, at less  than an arms length, the bribery trial, the bankruptcy �All were
 traumatic, devastating, and ate away at the soul. 
 "However sad so grievous, none of these can equal the burden of sorrow  we will carry with us to the grave over the death of Kathleen. This is
 the first time I have ever discussed it in any detail, and it will also  be the last."

 John Connally.

So his daughter was married to the son of IB Hale , hmmm..."


Take a look at his bio.
Robert Allan "Bobby" Hale (April 7, 1941 – May 26, 2008), variously known as Papa Pilgrim and Sunstar, was an American criminal who mentally, physically, and sexually abused his wife and 15 children in the Alaskan wilderness.

Early life

Robert Allan Hale was the son of FBI agent Insall Bailey "I. B." Hale and Virginia Kingsbery Hale of Fortune Road, Fort Worth, Texas.[1][2][3][4] Warren Commission exhibit CE 1891[5] states that Virginia Hale of Fortune Road, employed in the Fort Worth office of the Texas Employment Commission, sent Lee Harvey Oswald to the Leslie Welding Company for work in July 1962. Oswald and Hale had gone to school together at Arlington Heights High School and knew each other.

In April 1959, Hale was cleared by a Florida Coroner's Jury of responsibility related to the shooting death of his 16-year-old wife of only 44 days, Kathleen Connally "K.K." Hale (daughter of future Texas Governor, John Connally).[6] Kathleen was pregnant and the couple eloped to Ardmore, Oklahoma. They were married on March 16, 1959, and moved to Tallahassee, Florida where Hale found work for a boating company and K.K. worked at a ten-cent store.[7] The couple was living in a small apartment for a month, when Kathleen was killed by an accidental 20 gauge shotgun blast below her right ear.
Other legal troubles and death

On August 7, 1962, before living in Alaska, Hale and his twin brother "Billy" Hale were observed by an FBI agent as they burglarized the Los Angeles apartment of Judith Exner, who claimed to be a mistress of President John F. Kennedy.[8][9]

In 1974, Robert Hale (then going by the name "Sunstar") met 16-year-old Kurina Rose Bresler in the California desert. She would later call herself "Country Rose" and bear Hale 15 children.[10] Hale had gained notoriety through his family's iconoclastic lifestyle. A self-proclaimed devout Christian, Hale moved his family of 17 to Alaska from New Mexico in 1998 and kept them isolated from nearly all outside influences, including churches.

In 2002, Hale launched a legal battle with the National Parks Service over his plan to bulldoze a road to his 410-acre ranch ("Hillbilly Heaven") inside the remote Wrangell-St. Elias National Park, near the small town of McCarthy, Alaska.[11] He lost his case at the US Court of Appeals (9th Cir., San Francisco). He appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, and the Court refused to hear it.

In 2005, family members told police that Hale had routinely beaten and raped his eldest daughter for years. He was incarcerated in September 2007 and died eight months later on May 26, 2008. He was a diabetic and had been in poor health since at least 2006.[12]

In 2013 a book was published by Tom Kizzia titled Pilgrim's Wilderness: A True Story of Faith and Madness on the Alaska Frontier, chronicling Hale's life with a focus on his time in McCarthy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Allen_Hale
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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #117 on: December 01, 2013, 01:35:52 PM »
Yes the Hale Brothers whose dad works "security" for General Dynamics  .... f111 contract etc ....

 June 5 1963 - Clifton C. Carter,  Homer Thornberry,  Fred Korth, John Connally all LBJ cronies meet to discuss the "trip to Dallas"
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On 5th June, 1963, Homer Thornberry attended a meeting with John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson, John Connally, Fred Korth and Clifton C. Carter at the Cortez Hotel in El Paso, to discuss the president's forthcoming trip to Dallas. Thornberry was in the presidential motorcade with Johnson when Kennedy was assassinated.

http://www.jfklibrary.org/Asset-Viewer/Archives/USG-03-B.aspx

https://archive.org/details/lbj631106
Lyndon B. Johnson Recording 6311.06; November 1963, Tape 6 (November 1963)

https://archive.org/details/lbj631201
Lyndon B. Johnson Recording 6312.01; December 1963, Tape 1 (December 1963)

http://dealeyplazauk.org.uk/dowmloads/PDFs/jfkchronology.pdf

http://transition.lbjlibrary.org/items/show/1395
http://www.lbjlibrary.net/assets/lbj_tools/daily_diary/pdf/1963/19631201.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wuTQqS9EUM
December 1, 1963 - President Lyndon B. Johnson visits John F. Kennedy's grave at Arlington

Published on Nov 30, 2013  

President Lyndon B. Johnson carries a Bouquet of red roses to the grave of president Kennedy in Arlington National Cemetery. Mrs. Johnson is beside him and their daughters Lucy Baines and Lynda Bird are in background. A honor guard salutes. The Chief Executive and members of his family visited the gravesite in Arlington National Cemetery after attending church service at St. Mark's Episcopal Church.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=14967
Abraham Zapruder and Jeanne LeGon
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Lyndon Baines Johnson's personal secretary, Marie Fehmer, who flew back to Washington on Air Force One with LBJ on 11-22-1963, just happens to be the daughter of Olga Fehmer, currently living in Tyler, Texas. Olga Fehmer ALSO worked at Nardis of Dallas with Abraham Zapruder and Jean LeGon DeMohrenshildt.

Quick Review:

Olga Fehmer, the mother of LBJ's future personal secretary, (Marie) worked closely with the man who would later capture the assassination on film: Abraham Zapruder, in the same city of Dallas.

George DeMohrenschildt's future wife Jeanne LeGon, also worked at NARDIS of Dallas, the city in which LHO's best friend and rabid anti-communist White Russian, George DeMohrenshildt - would convince Lee Oswald and his White Russian wife, Marina, to eventually reside.

The Oswald's spent time together in the Soviet Union during their "courtship" -- much if not most of that time was spent in the city of Minsk, which is where George DeMohrenshildt and his brother, Demitri Von Mohrenschildt, grew up, after fleeing the place of their birth, Mozyr, which was often mistakenly thought to have been a part of Poland.

Abraham Zapruder's co-worker, Jeanne LeGon and her husband George DeMohrenschildt introduced Lee Oswald to the daughter of one of George DeMohrenshildt's close friends, Ruth Paine.

Ruth Paine's husband , Michael, whose step-father, Arthur Young collaborated with none other than Lyndon Baines Johnson's personal pilot, Joseph Mashman, to develop "BELL" helicopter (Fort Worth, Texas), was employed by Bell at the time of the assassination. 3,000-5,000 BELL helicopters were lost in Viet Nam and BELL's stockholders made a fortune replacing them.


In September of 1976, George DeMohrenschildt was subjected to 9 electro-shock treatments at Parkland Hospital under the order given by one, Doctor DeLoach ... first cousin of FBI Assisstant Director Cartha D. "Deke" DeLoach.

His "doctor of record", Dr. Mendoza, ordered the administration of intravenous "drugs" upon DeMohrenschildt's being committed to Parkland Hospital for, "mental problems" - but, it was DeLoach that ordered the Electro-Shock Therapy.

This episode occurred during the time that George Bush was the Director of Central Intelligence and within weeks of DeMohrenshildt's having written a manuscript for a book entitled, "I Am A Patsy! I Am A Patsy!" which named names of various CIA and FBI personnel who framed Oswald to cover their tracks in the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

There is an "extant" version of this manuscript floating around the net [which is possibly a creation of a good forgerer like E. H. HUNT].

On March 29, 1977... the same day DeMohrenschildt agreed to an interview with the HSCA, George DeMohrenschildt was found dead of a shotgun blast through his mouth by his daughter, Alexandra. His death was ruled a suicide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartha_DeLoach
Cartha "Deke" DeLoach (July 20, 1920 – March 13, 2013) was deputy director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) of the United States, in which post he was the third most senior official in the FBI after J. Edgar Hoover and Clyde Tolson.
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Mr. DeLoach retired from the bureau in 1970, on his 50th birthday. According to a syndicated column that year by Rowland Evans and Robert Novak, there was some relief within the FBI because of Mr. DeLoach’s perceived “right-wing bias and blatant opportunism.” He then became a vice president of corporate affairs for Pepsi¬Co but continued to consult occasionally with the FBI for years.
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In 1970, DeLoach retired from the FBI and became vice president of corporate affairs for PepsiCo, Inc.

http://pview.findlaw.com/view/2486087_1
PepsiCo, Inc. - Frito-Lay North America, Inc. (Main Office)

PepsiCo, Inc.
P.O. Box 660634
Dallas, TX 75266 -0634


http://dealeyplazauk.org.uk/dowmloads/PDFs/jfkchronology.pdf
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April 23 1963 -

April 23, 1963: Marina Oswald moves in with Mrs. Ruth Paine in Irving.
Also on this day, Vice President Johnson announces that JFK will visit Texas in the near future.
LBJ also addresses the heavy criticism in Dallas about JFK, saying the president is only the pilot for the nation.
He also adds ‘At least wait until November before you shoot him down. (BM&P)


http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace../09/fp.back_issues/32nd_Issue/jfk_texas.html
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Initially, JFK decides to go to Texas in the fall of 1963 to attend a dinner given in honor of Congressman Albert Thomas. I think there is universal agreement on that. However, it's still unknown exactly when the idea originated to have this dinner for Thomas and when the invitation was given to JFK. I went to the JFK Library and researched the Jerry Bruno papers. Jerry Bruno was JFK's advance man. He wrote a small book called "The Advanceman". That book, Mr. Bruno, and of course his papers at the JFK Library are essential for an understanding of this topic.

We first hear about JFK coming to Texas in an April 23rd announcement by LBJ given in Dallas for the Second Annual NASA Manned Space Flight Conference. "The April 24th, 1963 edition of the Dallas Times Herald is headlined, "LBJ sees Kennedy Dallas Visit - One Day Texas Tour Eyed."


Lbj and Conspiracy to Kill Kennedy: A Coalescence of Interests
 By Joseph P. Farrell -   Plans finalized Cortez Hotel El PASO




Murder from Within: Lyndon Johnson's Plot Against President Kennedy
 By Fred T. Newcomb, Perry Adam


http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh23/pdf/WH23_CE_1972.pdf
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The April 18, 21, 23 and 24, 1963, editions of the "Dallas Times Herald" contain articles concerning the visit of the Vice President LYNDON D . JOHNSON, to Dallas, Texas, for the second Annual NASA Manned Space Flight Conference . The Vice President delivered the major address at this Conference on April 23, 1963 . According to the articles, Mr . JOHNSON arrived in Dallas before Noon on April 23, 1963 and departed Dallas later that same day .

The April 24, 1963, edition of the "Dallas Time Herald" is headlined, "LBJ Sees Kennedy Dallas Visit - One-Day Texas Tour~ Eyed ."

This article reflects that "President KENNEDY may visit Dallas and other major Texas cities this summer, Vice President LYNDON B . JOHNSON said during his whirlwind visit here .

The Vice President said he hopes President KENNEDY's schedule will permit him to attend a breakfast in Ft. Wortb, a luncheon in Dallas, an afternoon tea in San Antonio and a dinner in Houston on a  one-day visit to Texas in the near future .

Mr . JOHNSON mentioned the possibility of the presidential visit during an hour-long session with executives of the Times Herald and KRLD-AM-FM and TV Tuesday afternoon ."


Possibly what started it all:  the mysterious death of Henry Marshall  

http://bigstory.ap.org/content/marshall-murder-case
Marshall Murder Case


Robertson County grand jurors, probing the mysterious death of Henry Marshall, a figure in the Billie Sol Estes case, examine the area of Marshall's death site on his 1,200-acre farm near Franklin, Tex., May 24, 1962. Markers show where Marshall was found dead on June 3, 1961, with 5 bullet wounds in his body. His death was ruled a suicide. Dr. J.A., Jachimczyk, a Houston pathologist conducting an autopsy, said after preliminary examination he believed Marshall did not commit suicide. (AP Photo)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKcarter.htm
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In 1960 Henry Marshall was asked by the Agricultural Adjustment Administration to investigate the activities of Billie Sol Estes. Marshall discovered that over a two year period, Estes had purchased 3,200 acres of cotton allotments from 116 different farmers. Marshall wrote to his superiors in Washington on 31st August, 1960, that: "The regulations should be strengthened to support our disapproval of every case (of allotment transfers)".
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On 3rd June, 1961, Marshall was found dead on his farm by the side of his Chevy Fleetside pickup truck. His rifle lay beside him. He had been shot five times with his own rifle. Soon after County Sheriff Howard Stegall arrived, he decreed that Marshall had committed suicide. No pictures were taken of the crime scene, no blood samples were taken of the stains on the truck (the truck was washed and waxed the following day), no check for fingerprints were made on the rifle or pickup.
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. Tommy G. McWilliams, the FBI agent in charge of the Henry Marshall investigation, came to the conclusion that Marshall had indeed committed suicide. He wrote: "My theory was that he shot himself and then realized he wasn't dead." He then claimed that he then tried to kill himself by inhaling carbon monoxide from the exhaust pipe of his truck. McWilliams claimed that Marshall had used his shirt to make a hood over the exhaust pipe. Even J. Edgar Hoover was not impressed with this theory. He wrote on 21st May, 1962: "I just can't understand how one can fire five shots at himself."
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After the assassination of John F. Kennedy, Carter became Johnson's chief fundraiser. He was officially executive director of the Democratic National Committee. Johnson sold $1,000 memberships to the Johnson Club with the pitch: "Members are assured of a direct relationship with President Johnson".

In 1966 Carter was forced to resign as executive director of the Democratic National Committee after questions were raised about his fundraising techniques.


http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKthornberry.htm
Homer Thornberry was born in Austin, Texas, on 9th January, 1909. His parents were teachers in the State School for the Deaf. Thornberry himself attended Austin High School. According to Alfred Steinberg (Sam Johnson's Boy) Thornberry became friends with Lyndon B. Johnson in the early 1920s
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On 5th June, 1963, Thornberry attended a meeting with John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson, John Connally, Fred Korth and Clifton C. Carter at the Cortez Hotel in El Paso, to discuss the president's forthcoming trip to Dallas. Thornberry was in the presidential motorcade with Johnson when Kennedy was assassinated.

A few days after the assassination Johnson phoned Homer Thornberry and invited him to "come down and have a drink with me". The two men had two meetings in December, 1963. In a taped White House conversation on 17th December, 1963, Lyndon Johnson admitted that he went to parties held at the house of Bobby Baker with Homer Thornberry and Walter Jenkins. On 20th December, Thornberry resigned his congressional seat. The following day Johnson appointed Thornberry as U.S. District Court Judge for the Western District of Texas. This enabled him to replace R. E. Thompson as the judge in the case of Richard Case Nagell.

Nagell admitted that he was working for theCentral Intelligence Agency as a double agent. This involved becoming an activist in the American Communist Party. Nagell also claimed he was involved in monitoring a group of Cuban exiles plotting against Fidel Castro. In 1963 Nagell discovered that this group was planning to assassinating John F. Kennedy while making it appear that it had been ordered by Castro. When he told the KGB they ordered him to warn Lee Harvey Oswald about what was happening. Nagell also claimed he told the FBI and CIA about the plot. In September, 1963, Nagell walked into a bank in El Paso, Texas, and fired two shots into the ceiling and then waited to be arrested. Nagell claimed he did this to isolate himself from the assassination plot.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKnagell.htm
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According to Nagell, when he recovered he began working for theCentral Intelligence Agency as a double agent. This involved becoming an activist in the American Communist Party. This included distributing Marxist propaganda in Mexico.

Nagell also claimed he was involved in monitoring a group of Cuban exiles plotting against Fidel Castro. In 1963 Nagell discovered that this group was planning to assassinating John F. Kennedy while making it appear that it had been ordered by Castro. When he told the KGB they ordered him to warn Lee Harvey Oswald about what was happening. Nagell also claimed he warned the FBI and CIA about the plot.

In September, 1963, Nagell walked into a bank in El Paso, Texas, and fired two shots into the ceiling and then waited to be arrested. Nagell claimed he did this to isolate himself from the assassination plot. This was successful and Nagell was charged with armed robbery and ended up spending the next five years in prison.

On his release Nagell told Jim Garrison about his knowledge of the assassination of John F. Kennedy . He claimed that David Ferrie, Guy Banister, and Clay Shaw were involved in this plot with Lee Harvey Oswald. However, Garrison decided against using him as a witness in the court-case against Shaw.

http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/03/JA/DR/.dr14.html
Yellow Roses by Dave Reitzes

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In 1961, State Agricultural Stabilization and Conservation official Henry Marshall was investigating a broad series of fraudulent government
subsidies -- amounting to figures in the seven or eight digit range -- allotted to Billie Sol Estes, a close personal friend of Senate Majority
Leader then Vice-President Lyndon B. Johnson. Marshall had uncovered a paper trail that was leading him closer and closer to Johnson himself.

On June 3, 1961, Mac Wallace knocked Henry Marshall unconscious with a blunt object, fed the unconscious man carbon monoxide from a hose
attached to Wallace's pick-up truck, then shot him five times with a bolt-action .22 caliber rifle and dumped him in a remote corner of
Marshall's farm near Franklin, Texas
. Justice of the Peace Lee Farmer pronounced the death a suicide and ordered Marshall buried without an
autopsy -- over the protests of Marshall's widow. The verdict remained unchanged until 1984, when Billie Sol Estes, under a grant of immunity,
told a grand jury that Wallace had been Marshall's killer, and that the order came from Vice-President Lyndon B. Johnson through White House aide
Cliff Carter.


Based on Estes' testimony and supporting evidence, the grand jury changed the earlier ruling of suicide to murder. Mac Wallace
could not be indicted; he died in an automobile accident in Pittsburgh, Texas, on January 7, 1971
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http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKestes.htm
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On 9th August, 1984, Estes' lawyer, Douglas Caddy, wrote to Stephen S. Trott at the U.S. Department of Justice. In the letter Caddy claimed that Estes, Lyndon B. Johnson, Mac Wallace and Clifton C. Carter had been involved in the murders of Henry Marshall, George Krutilek, Harold Orr, Ike Rogers, Coleman Wade, Josefa Johnson, John Kinser and John F. Kennedy.

Caddy added: "Mr. Estes is willing to testify that LBJ ordered these killings, and that he transmitted his orders through Cliff Carter to Mac Wallace, who executed the murders."
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Billie Sol Estes died at his home in Granbury, Texas, on 13th May 2013.

http://www.mackwhite.com/lbj.html
The LBJ Robot - By mac White
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In Blood, Power, and Money, McClellan presents evidence linking Johnson to the Kennedy assassination. Mac Wallace's fingerprints, for instance, were found on a box on the sixth floor of the Texas Schoolbook Depository. McClellan also traces the money trail from Texas oil barons Clint Murchison and H. L. Hunt, who financed the assassination, to Johnson lawyer Ed Clark, who organized it.
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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #118 on: December 01, 2013, 09:47:44 PM »
It's interesting that April 10, 1963 Gen. Edwin Walker was targeted supposedly by Pro-castro "commies" but lived to tell the tale. So this set up the JFK assassination scenario later in the year.  Stanley Kubrick's movie Dr. Strangelove's main character General Ripper played by Sterling Hayden was modeled on Edwin Walker. The movie first screening was made Nov 22 1963 but then the assassination delayed its release. Interesting also that Sterling Hayden was a real  OSS man and a true heavy.  

So of course Walker was not killed by Oswald , this was used as a setup for later.  

 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67wKhddWu4
Dr. Strangelove (4/8) Movie CLIP - Water and Commies (1964) HD

Ripper (Sterling Hayden) tells Mandrake (Peter Sellers) his views on why Communists don't drink water.
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Gen. Jack D. Ripper (Sterling Hayden) calmly informs him that he gave the command to attack the Soviet Union because it was high time someone did something about fluoridation, which is sapping Americans' bodily fluids (and apparently has something to do with Ripper's sexual dysfunction).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Strangelove
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The Kennedy assassination

A first test screening of the film was scheduled for November 22, 1963, the day of the John F. Kennedy assassination. The film was just weeks from its scheduled premiere, but because of the assassination the release was delayed until late January 1964, as it was felt that the public was in no mood for such a film any sooner

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/11/02/obituaries/gen-edwin-walker-83-is-dead-promoted-rightist-causes-in-60-s.html?pagewanted=2&src=pm
Gen. Edwin Walker, 83, Is Dead; Promoted Rightist Causes in 60's
Published: November 02, 1993

Maj. Gen. Edwin A. Walker, whose right-wing political activities led to an official rebuke and his resignation from the Army in 1961, died on Sunday at his home in Dallas. He was 83.

General Walker, a lanky, much-decorated Texan who led combat units in World War II and the Korean War, ended his 30-year Army career because, he said, he "could no longer serve in uniform and be a collaborator with the release of United States sovereignty to the United Nations."

On April 10, 1963, a sniper fired at him as he sat at his desk in his home. The bullet missed his head by about an inch.

In 1964, a commission headed by Chief Justice Earl Warren to investigate the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963, identified the assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, as the same man who had fired at General Walker.
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The issue that led to General Walker's resignation began in April 1961 when Overseas Weekly, a privately owned newspaper circulated among members of the armed forces overseas, accused the general of using an Army information program to subject his troops to "a propaganda barrage" that extolled the John Birch Society. General Walker was then commanding the 24th Infantry Division, based in West Germany.

The newspaper also reported that the general had publicly asserted that former President Harry S. Truman, Eleanor Roosevelt and former Secretary of State Dean Acheson were "definitely pink."

The report attracted widespread attention, and President Kennedy ordered an investigation into the matter. The general was relieved of his command while the inquiry was conducted.

In June 1961, the Army said the investigation showed that the general's information program was "not attributable to any program of the John Birch Society." But it admonished the general "for taking injudicious actions and for making derogatory public statements about prominent Americans."

He resigned on Nov. 2, 1961, contending that he "must be free from the power of little men who, in the name of my country, punish loyal service to it."

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After leaving the Army in 1961, General Walker was outspoken in his criticism of the Kennedy Administration. He also became active in segregationist resistance efforts in the South and said civil rights demonstrations in Washington and in Austin, Tex., were "pro-Kennedy, pro-Communist and pro-Socialist."
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In October 1962, after Federal marshals had put down riots at the University of Mississippi and forced the university to admit James H. Meredith, a black student, General Walker was arrested on a Federal warrant charging him with insurrection and seditious conspiracy. But a Federal grand jury failed to indict him and the charges were dropped.

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In World War II, he led a special force of Americans and Canadians in the Aleutians, Italy and France. The unit, the Special Service Force, was trained for airborne, amphibious, mountain and ski operations; it fought at the Anzio beachhead in Italy and in the invasion of southern France.

He later commanded the 417th Infantry Regiment, attached to the Third Army, and at V-E Day he was commanding a special task unit in Oslo.

In the Korean War, he commanded the Third Infantry Division's Seventh Regiment and was senior adviser to the First Korean Corps. He later served as military adviser to Chiang Kai-shek of Nationalist China.


http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKwalker.htm

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In October 1959 Major General Walker was appointed commander of the 24th Infantry Division in Europe and stationed in Augsburg, Germany. In April 1961 Walker was accused of indoctrinating his troops with right-wing literature from the John Birch Society. With the agreement of President John F. Kennedy, Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara relieved Walker of his command and announced an investigation into the affair. Kennedy was accused of trying to suppress the anti-Communist feelings of the military. Walker resigned from the army in protest about the way he had been treated.
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In September 1961 Walker organized the protests against the enrollment of James Meredith at the University of Mississippi. Another incident the following year resulted in two reporters being killed. Attorney General Robert Kennedy responded by issuing a warrant for Walker's arrest on the charges of seditious conspiracy, insurrection, and rebellion.

Walker now became a leading figure in the fight against what he considered to be the liberal establishment. Based in Dallas, he gave many speeches around the country denouncing communism and liberalism. In February 1962 Walker stood for governor of Texas. Although he gained the support of Barry Goldwater, Walker finished last and John Connally went on to be governor [ Walker was support by HL Hunt ]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WYyONwsHqbw
General Walker Comments on Kennedy State Dept

General Edwin A. Walker addresses The National Indignation Committee's annual meeting in Dallas, Texas in December, 1961. Walker accuses the Kennedy State Department of not admitting that Castro is a Communist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Walker
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In early 1962 Walker ran for governor of Texas, and lost to John Connally. Later that year, Walker was arrested for leading riots at Ole Miss in protest against admitting a black student, James Meredith, into the then-all-white university. Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy ordered Walker committed to an insane asylum for a 90-day evaluation in response to the riots, but psychiatrist Thomas Szasz protested and Walker was released in five days. Attorney Robert Morris convinced a Mississippi grand jury not to indict Walker.
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http://www.anb.org/articles/06/06-00897.html
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On 2 November 1961 he resigned from the army--which resulted in the forfeiture of his pension--claiming he needed to be free from outside control.

Walker settled in Dallas, Texas, where his conservative views found widespread support. With the financial support of the noted businessman H. L. Hunt, but with the discouragement of political professionals, Walker entered the Democratic primary for governor of Texas in February 1962. In April of that same year he testified before a special Senate subcommittee investigating charges that army officers were being silenced by the government. His rambling and nearly incoherent testimony disappointed even his supporters, and in the May gubernatorial primary Walker finished last of six candidates with less than 10 percent of the vote.
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While a hero to many during his heyday, today he is more likely to be remembered as a possible model for such cinematic characters as Brigadier General Jack D. Ripper in Stanley Kubrick's Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb. Walker never married and died at his home in Dallas of lung cancer.

Oh it's interesting too, that Tracy Reed played Christine Keeler off the Profumo Affair as a character in Strangelove

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profumo_Affair
The Profumo Affair was a 1963 British political scandal named after John Profumo, Secretary of State for War. His affair with Christine Keeler, the reputed mistress of an alleged Russian spy, followed by lying in the House of Commons when he was questioned about it, forced the resignation of Profumo and damaged the reputation of Prime Minister Harold Macmillan's government. Macmillan himself resigned a few months later due to ill health.

Christine Keeler  - Tracy Reed

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/profumo-affair-christine-keeler-comes-1940402
Profumo affair: Christine Keeler comes clean and admits to being a spy
9 Jun 2013

She claims she helped her friend, osteopath Stephen Ward uncover secrets about missile ­movements in the West that were later passed to the Soviets

Christine Keeler has ­admitted for the first time: “I betrayed my country.”

Exactly 50 years after John Profumo resigned as Secretary of State for War, admitting he had lied to the House of Commons about their relationship, the woman at the centre of the scandal has ­decided to come clean.

She sensationally confesses that even though it was the height of the Cold War and Russia was our deadly ­enemy, she played a willing role in a high-placed spy ring.

Christine claims she helped her friend, osteopath Stephen Ward – whose clients included Winston Churchill, Frank Sinatra and Elizabeth Taylor – ­uncover secrets about missile ­movements in the West that were later passed to the Soviets.

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http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2011/10/stephen-ward-and-monarch-brainwashing.html


Stephen Ward with Christine Keeler (top right). Stephen ward was an osteopath with links to the US President, royalty, Hollywood stars and the security services.

Stephen Ward "worked on a secret program for the USA, called Operation Monarch."
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J F Kennedy reportedly slept with one of Ward's girls called Mariella Novotny.
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After the Cuban Missile Crisis, Ward told Christine Keeler, one of his girls, that he believed John F. Kennedy would be assassinated.

He told her and Russian spy Eugene Ivanov: "A man like John Kennedy will not be allowed to stay in such an important position of power in the world, I assure you of that." (Christine Keeler)


http://www.clickautographs.com/detail.php?id=4507

Mariella Novotny


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In 1960 she travelled to the United States with an aspiring actress called Suzy Chang. It is believed that both girls worked at the Quorum Club in Washington, run by Bobby Baker, and became involved in relationships with leading politicians, including John F. Kennedy and Robert Kennedy. Recently released FBI files claim that Stephen Ward was involved in supplying these girls.
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In 1978 Novotny announced that she had started work on her autobiography, claiming in November 1980 she claimed that her book would include details of a "plot to discredit Jack Kennedy". She added, "I kept a diary of all my appointments in the UN building. Believe me, it's dynamite. It's now in the hands of the CIA."

 The book never appeared. Mariella Novotny was found dead in her bed in February 1983. It was claimed by the police that she had died of a drug overdose. Christine Keeler later wrote: "The Westminster Coroner, Dr Paul Knapman, called it misadventure. Along with People in Moscow, I still think it was murder. A central figure in the strangest days of my life always believed Mariella would be killed by American or British agents, most probably by the CIA.”
Shortly after her death her house was burgled and all her files and large day-to-day diaries from the early sixties to the seventies were stolen.


http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13767


In the early 1960s the KGB was involved in a “honey trap” operation involving politicians based in London and Washington. This operation was identified by the intelligence agencies in both countries. However, instead of breaking up the operation, the intelligence agencies decided to use this information in order to manipulate these politicians.

In Washington the KGB had infiltrated the LBJ operation at the Quorum Club. This was a private club in the Carroll Arms Hotel on Capitol Hill that had been established by Bobby Baker. As Baker pointed out in Wheeling and Dealing its "membership was comprised of senators, congressmen, lobbyists, Capitol Hill staffers, and other well-connecteds who wanted to enjoy their drinks, meals, poker games, and shared secrets in private accommodations". Baker also held parties at a home that he had purchased for his mistress, Nancy Carole Tyler.

The idea behind this scam was that LBJ could obtain information about these people that he could blackmail into doing as he wanted. LBJ also did a deal with J. Edgar Hoover that involved the sharing of information about these politicians.

Baker used several prostitutes that originally came from communist countries. This included Ellen Rometsch, Maria Novotny and Suzy Chang. Of course, once these politicians became involved with such women, LBJ could apply more pressure by suggesting that they were KGB agents.

In 1961 Bill Thompson, a close friend of John Kennedy, met with Bobby Baker. According to Anthony Summers (Official and Confidential: The Secret Life of J. Edgar Hoover) Thompson asked Baker if he would arrange a meeting between Rometsch and Kennedy. Baker later said that: "He (Kennedy) sent back word it was the best time he ever had in his life. That was not the only time. She saw him on other occasions. It went on for a while."

The honey trap operation in London was being run by Stephen Ward. He was also using Ellen Rometsch, Maria Novotny and Suzy Chang in his operation. One of the politicians who got caught in this trap was John Profumo, the Secretary of State for War. Eugene Ivanov, a KGB officer and an naval attaché at the Soviet embassy, also went to these sex parties. Profumo began an affair with one of Ward’s girls called Christine Keeler. The problem for Profumo was that Keeler was also having an affair with Ivanov.
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Hoover now decided it was time to make use of this information. In July 1963 FBI agents questioned Ellen Rometsch about her past. They came to the conclusion that she was probably a Soviet spy. Hoover then leaked information to the journalist, Courtney Evans, that Rometsch worked for Walter Ulbricht, the communist leader of East Germany. When Robert Kennedy was told about this information, he ordered her to be deported.
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Interestingly, two of the key figures in the story committed suicide, while these events unfolded. Stephen Ward died on 3rd August 1963 [ he was discovered unconscious, having overdosed on sleeping pills ]   before telling the full story of what happened. Recently, Christine Keeler has claimed that Ward ran a Soviet spy ring that involved MI5 chief Roger Hollis and Sir Anthony Blunt.

On 26th November, Grant Stockdale flew to Washington and talked with Robert Kennedy and Edward Kennedy. On his return Stockdale told several of his friends that "the world was closing in." On 1st December, he spoke to his attorney, William Frates who later recalled: "He started talking. It didn't make much sense. He said something about 'those guys' trying to get him. Then about the assassination." Stockdale died on 2nd December, 1963 when he fell (or was pushed) from his office on the thirteenth story of the Dupont Building in Miami.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKstockdale.htm
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Edward Grant Stockdale died on 2nd December, 1963 when he fell (or was pushed) from his office on the thirteenth story of the Dupont Building in Miami. Stockdale did not leave a suicide note but his friend, George Smathers, claimed that he had become depressed as a result of the death of John F. Kennedy.

However, Joachim Joesten, the author of The Dark Side of Lyndon Baines Johnson (1968) has argued: "The truth of the matter is that Grant Stockdale was also a wheelerdealer and had found himself caught in the Bobby Baker web, If his death was suicide, the reason was that he feared exposure. More likely, Stockdale was murdered because he knew too much and somebody else feared exposure."

John Simkin has suggested the death was linked to the assassination of John F. Kennedy: "I suspect Grant Stockdale told Robert and Edward Kennedy what he knew about the assassination on 26th November. Stockdale was obviously shocked when he discovered that the Kennedy brothers showed little interest in the story. In fact, Edward goes as far to undermine his credibility by questioning his mental state. Why should the Kennedy brothers do this? Why, did they not want the case investigated?"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterling_Hayden
Sterling Walter Hayden (born Sterling Relyea Walter; March 26, 1916 – May 23, 1986)
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He was born in Montclair, New Jersey, to George and Frances Walter, who named him Sterling Relyea Walter.[2][3] After his father died, he was adopted at the age of nine by James Hayden and renamed Sterling Walter Hayden. He grew up in coastal towns of New England,[4] and as a child lived in New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Washington, D.C., and Maine, where he attended Wassookeag School in Dexter, Maine.

Hayden was a genuine adventurer and man of action, not dissimilar from many of his movie parts. He dropped out of high school at the age of 16 and took a job as mate on a schooner.[5] His first voyage was to Newport Beach, California from New London, Connecticut.[4] Later, he was a fisherman on the Grand Banks of Newfoundland, ran a charter yacht, and served as a fireman on eleven trips to Cuba aboard a steamer.[4] He skippered a trading schooner in the Caribbean after earning his master's license, and in 1937 he served as mate on a world cruise of the schooner Yankee.[4] After serving as sailor and fireman on larger vessels and sailing around the world several times, he was awarded his first command aged 22, skippering the square rigger Florence C. Robinson 7,700 miles from Gloucester, Massachusetts, to Tahiti in 1938.[
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As OSS agent John Hamilton, his World War II service included sailing with supplies from Italy to Yugoslav partisans and parachuting into fascist Croatia. Hayden, who also participated in the Naples-Foggia campaign and established air crew rescue teams in enemy-occupied territory, became a first lieutenant on September 13, 1944, and a captain on February 14, 1945. He received the Silver Star (for gallantry in action in the Balkans and Mediterranean; "Lt. Hamilton displayed great courage in making hazardous sea voyages in enemy-infested waters and reconnaissance through enemy-held areas"), a Bronze Arrowhead device for parachuting behind enemy lines, and a commendation from Yugoslavia's Marshal Tito. He left active duty on December 24, 1945.

His great admiration for the bravery of the Communist partisans led to a brief membership in the Communist Party. He was apparently active in supporting an effort by the Communist-controlled motion picture painters' union to absorb other film industry unions.[11] As the Red Scare deepened in U.S., he cooperated with the House Un-American Activities Committee, confessing his brief Communist ties and "naming names."[2] His wife at that time, Betty de Noon, insisted that the 'names' her ex-husband provided were already in the hands of the Committee, which had a copy of the Communist Party's membership list. In any event, Hayden subsequently repudiated his cooperation with the Committee, stating in his autobiography "I don't think you have the foggiest notion of the contempt I have had for myself since the day I did that thing

http://tywkiwdbi.blogspot.com/2008/11/us-nuclear-secret-unlock-code-was.html
The U.S. nuclear "secret unlock code" was... 00000000

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2060874/The-map-shows-Americas-5-000-nuclear-warheads-are.html
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Re: JFK Assassination Stories Here---50 years Ago---Nov 22, 1963
« Reply #119 on: December 03, 2013, 12:07:29 PM »
This is a strange one the Bowen jfk film:

http://universalfreepress.com/new-jfk-tape-clearly-showing-second-gunman-goes-on-auction-block-msm-viewing/

New JFK Tape Clearly Showing Second Gunman Goes on Auction Block, MSM Viewing
 Posted by Rick Wells On December 01, 2013

A Texas real-estate developer has just announced to the world that he is in possession of a one-of-a-kind video of the President Kennedy assassination, which clearly shows a second shooter and a gun.

Stephen Bowen, who also has part interest in Waterstone Entertainment, a small production film company, decided the fiftieth anniversary of the assassination of JFK would be a good time to put the footage up for auction.

Bowen acquired the film from a Houston television news producer, who had held it in secret for over 40 years.

The footage has been viewed by a few select individuals, two of which described portions as containing evidence which could easily challenge the official lone gunman theory. They assert that the video shows a guy in the buses with a gun. While denying any technical expertise, the viewers described the tape as looking like real footage.

Private screenings are to be held for news networks and other interested parties over the next week, which should serve to heighten interest and dispel authenticity concerns.

In addition to the new footage, damaged and missing footage from the Zapruder tape is also included.

The undamaged Zapruder film can be seen below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kq1PbgeBoQ4

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http://www.thewrap.com/jfk-assassination-new-footage-producer-stephen-bowen-lee-harvey-oswald

JFK Assassination: New Motorcade Footage Could Challenge Lone-Gunman Theory (Exclusive)
Jeff Sneider on November 22, 2013 @ 8:32 am

A Hollywood producer believes the footage may support John Kerry and Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s comments doubting that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone

In a development that could shed new light on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, a Hollywood movie producer is shopping new, long-hidden footage of JFK’s Dallas motorcade which the producer believes may support the theory that Lee Harvey Oswald didn’t act alone, TheWrap has learned.

Stephen Bowen is a successful Texas-based real estate developer who is a principal at Waterstone Entertainment, represented by the Gersh Agency. Bowen acquired the footage from a local Houston television news producer who has held it for more than 40 years, according to an individual involved in the deal. Bowen decided the 50th anniversary of JFK’s death was a good time to bring it to market.


TheWrap has not seen the footage. However, two individuals who have described portions of the tape that could challenge the lone-gunman theory ultimately supported by the Warren Commission. “You can see a guy in the bushes with a gun,” said one of those individuals. “It looks like real footage, though I am not an expert.”
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