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AFGHANISTAN HEATING UP
« on: August 20, 2017, 10:01:54 AM »

Trump has made Afghanistan decision
after 'rigorous' review: Mattis

REUTERS: AUGUST 20, 2017 / 6:29 AM

AMMAN, Reuters - President Donald Trump has a made a decision on the United States' strategy for Afghanistan after a "sufficiently rigorous" review process, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis said on Sunday.

However, Mattis did not provide details on when the White House would make an announcement or what the decision was on Afghanistan, where fighting still rages more than 15 years after U.S. forces invaded and overthrew a Taliban government.

Soon after taking office in January, the Trump administration began a review of U.S. policy on Afghanistan, which has expanded into a broader South Asia review.

"I am very comfortable that the strategic process was sufficiently rigorous and did not go in with a pre-set position," Mattis told reporters traveling with him aboard a military aircraft to Jordan. "The president has made a decision. As he said, he wants to be the one to announce it to the American people."

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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2017, 11:51:02 AM »
Afghanistan ? Well UK/USA  regime change sure are not there to improve the life of the average Afghani

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Re: AFGHANISTAN HEATING UP
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2017, 01:26:00 PM »
^^^

... very disheartening, to be sure ... but we
continue to battle the crazy muslims on several
fronts, and if we leave, the place will just become
(more than it is today) a safe haven, ground zero,
for their operations ...
I hope that we have a plan that works ...
 :-X
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Re: AFGHANISTAN HEATING UP
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2017, 07:36:06 AM »
^^^

... well, we saw the speech last evening ...
I thought it was well delivered and made a
good case for trying to save the situation.
I'm not sure I see a BIG difference in choice
of battlefields/fronts ... it really is the same enemy.



Trump’s ‘America First’ Base Unhappy
with Flip-Flop Afghanistan Speech

ADAM SHAW - 21 Aug 2017

President Trump’s “America First” base was the biggest loser of Trump’s speech on Afghanistan Monday night, and many quickly expressed their disappointment at the business-as-usual address from the president who had once promised to limit American intervention abroad and focus on nation-building at home.

Trump’s speech, in which he pledged to increase the number of troops in the 16-year-war, was the first since the departure of Chief Strategist Steve Bannon and confirmed the fears of many on the right that without a strong nationalist voice in the West Wing, the President would revert to the same old fare that Americans had voted to reject in November.

Using many of the same vague promises that previous presidents had used, including a repeat of Obama’s promise not to give a “blank check” to Afghanistan and a pledge to finally get tough on Pakistan, it was a far cry from the “America First” foreign policy he laid out in the months before election day.

Conservative commentator Ann Coulter, who had been an enthusiastic supporter of Trump during the campaign and penned a book called In Trump we Trust, summed up the weariness of the nationalist right when she tweeted: “It doesn’t matter who you vote for. The military-industrial complex wins.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/21/trumps-america-first-base-unhappy-with-flip-flop-afghanistan-speech/


‘We Are Not Nation-Building Again, We Are Killing Terrorists’
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/08/21/trump-debuts-afghanistan-strategy-we-are-not-nation-building-again-we-are-killing-terrorists/

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“We will defeat them and defeat them handily,” he said. “In Afghanistan and Pakistan, America’s interests are clear. We must stop the resurgence of safe havens that allow terrorists to threaten America.”
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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2017, 10:09:04 AM »
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“We will defeat them and defeat them handily,” he said. “In Afghanistan and Pakistan, America’s interests are clear. We must stop the resurgence of safe havens that allow terrorists to threaten America.”
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Re: AFGHANISTAN HEATING UP
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2017, 03:00:59 PM »


Steve Pieczenik on ALEX SHOW today reeming
Trump and ALEX a new one ... he is slammin'
the 'generals' (especially McMaster and Mattis)
for leading DJT down this road.
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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2017, 07:13:02 PM »

Steve Pieczenik on ALEX SHOW today reeming
Trump and ALEX a new one ... he is slammin'
the 'generals' (especially McMaster and Mattis)
for leading DJT down this road.
 :o

Great, they needed it; Alex ran a pretty good propaganda line: I am really wondering about Alex, he is buying into the whole deception. If Trump was going after the terrorist he should start in his back yard, Obama, Hillary, Commey, Lynch, etc. etc you cut off their moneys they will collapse on themselves. Russia was doing a good job against McCain's gang, Trump is either BS us and is comprised or he is playing a strange game.
Session is a piece of S#!+ and part of the deep state and needs to be removed or straighten out.
They need to start the purge of the enemy of state, Democrats, News Media, RINOs start interning these criminals, George Soro and his ilk, the banksters ie..... Goldman, Wells, BOA, etc....... and especially the FED, so if your going to be serious that's the right way to go, all the rest is just BS and I think Trump needs to own up to 911 was an inside job.
   
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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2017, 08:36:55 PM »
^^^

... I believe he may be working on going after
the Clinton's/DNC more than is generally known.
It is a VERY touchy thing to use the power of the gov
(DOJ) to go after your political opponents ... reeks of
totalitarianism. However, Assange is ready to work
with Trump in exchange for a pardon. If they
can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt what we all suspect ...
all hell will break loose:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=316142.msg1629386#msg1629386
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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2017, 08:49:22 PM »


The talk was of going into Afghanistan really hard, and then be able to pull out safely.  Like Hanoi in Vietnam?

So, how many refugees from this situation.  Only now, they're millions from Afghanistan and Pakistan.  Sounds like a muslim influx to me.  New World Order's prime objective with America at this time -- happening.  What a cute little McMaster plan.  And no, we don't need to set them all up in a business like fingernail salons.

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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2017, 10:21:00 PM »
Call me a idealist; but 911 was and inside job and if we are going to ignore this and stay in Afghanistan then the hoax goes on.
These people sold out America for filthy lucre.
And scripturally if we do nothing as we have been; then the results will conitnue to drag us down.
Ecclesiastes 8:11  Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.
And as you notice they are fully set to do evil; so are we going to just let it go?
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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2017, 03:17:04 AM »
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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2017, 03:21:13 AM »
I haven't always agreed with Steve Pieczenik but that was a much needed counter argument. Especially after Syria, where we've already seen Trump go a bit sideways since the cruise missile attack. I was never expecting peace in our time but I'm also not changing my entire worldview just because a different guy's in office.

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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2017, 03:26:02 AM »
This is the full interview, by the way. Some of the clips seem to cut it short.

Dr. Steve Pieczenik In Heated Debate With Alex Jones About Trump And Afghanistan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eMPVQic4Pg

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« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2017, 07:34:33 AM »


... I believe the neo-cons are history ...
did the never-trumpers not notice that
they were thoroughly defeated in the
election? Bill Kristol ... really?
Jeb Bush? Kissinger ... no way José!
Pieczenik just seems butt hurt because
he, too, is old news.

As for Afghanistan ... we are thoroughly
immersed there (as elsewhere) with
the epic battle against Islamism ...
deny it all you like, call it something else,
whatever. Trump has always said he will
NOT reveal his plans for WAR to the enemy ...
ANYTHING he may say out loud should
be taken as a 4-D chess move to confound
the enemy.

#1 ... don't expect Donald Trump to back down
from a bunch of raghead desert rats in
Afghanistan or anywhere else ... he will go after
their worhthless asses .. sit back and watch.
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« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2017, 10:47:58 AM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/22/world/asia/pakistan-trump-afghanistan-india.html?mcubz=0
Trump’s Request for India’s Help in Afghanistan Rattles Pakistan
By SALMAN MASOOD
AUG. 22, 2017

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — President Trump’s appeal for India’s help on Afghanistan set off alarm bells on Tuesday in Pakistan, where officials warned that the approach risked jolting a tumultuous relationship. They also expressed relief that Mr. Trump did not call for abrupt reductions in military aid to Pakistan, which the United States has long accused of going easy on militants.
,...

“We have been paying Pakistan billions and billions of dollars at the same time they are housing the very terrorists that we are fighting,” Mr. Trump said on Monday, although he stopped short of cutting off military aid, as some Pakistani elites had feared.

Pakistan and the United States have long had a troubled relationship, increasingly strained by differences over Pakistan’s role in Afghanistan. Even before American military and intelligence operatives tracked down and killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan in 2011, American officials chided Pakistan’s military and intelligence agency as harboring or turning a blind eye to militants.

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fyi:

http://thediplomat.com/2016/08/the-long-history-of-the-pakistan-north-korea-nexus/
The Long History of the Pakistan-North Korea Nexus

From Zulfikar Ali Bhutto to AQ Khan to today, Pakistan’s security cooperation with North Korea has a 40 year history.

On August 23, 2016, Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s Special Assistant on Foreign Affairs, Syed Tariq Fatemi, embarked on a four day trip to Belarus and Kazakhstan. As Belarus and Kazakhstan are strongly opposed to nuclear proliferation, Sharif sent Fatemi to the CIS region to bolster international support for Pakistan’s bid to join the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), which rival India is also actively seeking to join. The Pakistani government hopes that Islamabad’s NSG accession will ease concerns about the potential distribution of Pakistani nuclear weapons to terrorist groups.

Even though China enthusiastically supports Pakistan’s NSG bid, Pakistan’s partnership with North Korea could derail Sharif’s aspirations of joining the non-proliferation organization. Since the 1970s, Pakistan and North Korea have cooperated extensively on the development of ballistic missile and nuclear weapons technologies. Pakistan’s strong alliance with China and the legacy of a major scandal linking the Pakistani military to North Korea’s nuclear program have prevented Islamabad from joining UN efforts to diplomatically isolate the DPRK.
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https://fas.org/sgp/crs/nuke/RL34248.pdf
Pakistan’s Nuclear Weapons
Paul K. Kerr
Analyst in Nonproliferation
Mary Beth Nikitin
Specialist in Nonproliferation
August 1, 2016

Congressional Research Service
www.crs.gov
RL34248
...
Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal probably consists of approximately 110-130 nuclear warheads, although it could have more

....
Chronic political instability in Pakistan and Islamabad’s military efforts against the Taliban and al-Qaeda have raised concerns about the security of the country’s nuclear weapons ....

https://swarajyamag.com/world/did-pakistan-make-north-korea-a-nuclear-power
Did Pakistan Make North Korea A Nuclear Power?
Sumit Walia
- May 17, 2017, 6:42 pm
...

Readers would remember that remarkable confession of Dr A Q Khan, Pakistan’s infamous ‘nuclear’ scientist. It was on 4 February 2004 when Khan appeared on the television and confessed to having supplied nuclear technology and components to North Korea, Iran and Libya. Khan accepted his crimes in English and not in Urdu, which is the language understood by most Pakistanis.

That telecast was actually for the international audience, especially the United States and the European intelligence agencies. Khan explicitly mentioned that this proliferation network was entirely his own and the Pakistani government or authorities were never involved.

But was it true?
...
Here, it is interesting to note that after Pakistan’s nuclear tests in 1998, a US sniffer aircraft flew over the test sites and took air samples. The Los Alamos nuclear laboratory tested those samples and found that the final test(s) was conducted using plutonium as fuel. Now, Pakistan had left the plutonium route long ago in 1975 when Khan bought stolen centrifugal technology from Europe where he was working for URENCO as a technical translator.

So why did they detonate a plutonium device? CIA believed that Pakistan tested a North Korean nuclear device based on plutonium fuel.

The CIA and Western agencies had reasons to believe that.

If we check Western intelligence agencies’ declassified information and investigative work by leading journalists, it becomes clear that their cooperation started long ago.

Apart from China, Pakistan was the only major country in the world who not only maintained diplomatic relations with North Korea but received weaponry from them.

But the cooperation in nuclear and missile field started in the late 1980s.
...

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2016/09/05/commentary/world-commentary/pakistan-n-korea-nexus/#.WZ2YMK26sWM

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Even though Pakistan became a vital ally in the U.S. war on terror after the 9/11 attacks in 2001, Islamabad’s military cooperation with North Korea continued under Pervez Musharraf’s watch. In 2002, U.S. officials announced that Pakistan had exported gas centrifuges to help North Korea enrich uranium and construct a nuclear bomb. While Pakistani military officials denied their involvement in this scheme, the report’s release did not trigger an official downgrade in the Islamabad-Pyongyang security partnership.

After the 2002 report’s release, Musharraf prevented the U.S. from interrogating A.Q. Khan, a prominent nuclear scientist who assisted the nuclear programs of North Korea, Iran and Libya. The Pakistani government declared Khan a “free citizen” in 2009. Senior U.S. officials emphatically opposed Pakistan’s exoneration of Khan, insisting that Khan remained a “serious proliferation risk.”

Even though Pakistan has avoided overt military cooperation with North Korea in recent years, Islamabad remains unwilling to fully comply with U.N. sanctions against the North. Although the last regular sea cargo route between Pakistan and North Korea was suspended in 2010, NK News recently reported that at least one major Pakistani company offers shipping service to Pyongyang.

In recent months, many Indian media outlets have released reports on Pakistani nuclear technology sales to North Korea. These allegations remain unsubstantiated. However, the presence of a North Korean consulate in Karachi and an embassy in Islamabad demonstrates that U.N. sanctions have not hindered diplomatic cooperation between the two.
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Re: AFGHANISTAN HEATING UP
« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2017, 11:57:36 AM »
^^^


... it is becoming clear that Pakistan has been
appeasing the US ... Bush II and Obama ... while
all along stabbing us in the back, propping up/arming
our enemies, crazy muslims and crazy N. Koreans ...
while all along piling up the Yankee dollars$$$.
I wonder how the Awan Bros saga figures into this
heating up of AFGHAN/PAKI?
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« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2017, 02:16:32 PM »
How Obama Came to Plan for ‘Surge’ in Afghanistan
By PETER BAKERDEC. 5, 2009

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/06/world/asia/06reconstruct.html
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« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2017, 02:35:56 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/07/pakistani-generals-helped-sell-nuclear-secrets
Pakistani generals 'helped sell nuclear secrets'
• North Korea paid senior figures $3.5m, letter claims
• AQ Khan 'wants to set the historical record straight'

https://www.facebook.com/AQKhanSchool/


https://gosint.wordpress.com/2016/09/18/dr-a-q-khan-the-bomb-the-swiss-and-the-cia/
Blast From The Past: Nixon & the CIA’s Daily Briefs →
 
Dr A. Q. Khan: The Bomb, the Swiss and the CIA
Posted on September 18, 2016   by L    

“If you put the [A. Q. Kahn] puzzle together, you get the whole picture.”
 Swiss magistrate Andreas Müller

...
Swiss Destroyed Key A.Q. Khan Evidence


Swiss President Pascal Couchepin announced May 23 2008 that his government destroyed files associated with a case against Swiss nationals suspected of involvement in the illicit nuclear trafficking network run by Pakistani nuclear official Abdul Qadeer Khan.

The destruction of the documents, collected by Swiss authorities in 2004 as evidence against Urs Tinner as well as his brother Marco and their father Friedrich, might harm the criminal prosecution of their suspected activities.

The documents included digital copies of a design for an advanced nuclear weapon believed to be of Pakistani origin. This design may have been shared with other members of the Khan network or with Khan’s suspected customers, such as Iran and North Korea.

A diplomatic source familiar with the investigation questioned the rationale provided by the Swiss government for destroying the files, telling Arms Control Today June 19 2008:

“If the Swiss can safeguard billions in hundreds of thousands of numbered accounts, they can guard a few CDs.”
...

C.I.A. Secrets Could Surface in Swiss Nuclear Case

A seven-year effort by the Central Intelligence Agency to hide its relationship with a Swiss family who once acted as moles inside the world’s most successful atomic black market hit a turning point when a Swiss magistrate recommended charging the men with trafficking in technology and information for making nuclear arms.

“It’s like a puzzle,” Andreas Müller, the Swiss magistrate, said at a news conference in December 2010.

“If you put the puzzle together you get the whole picture.”

In September 2012, Urs Tinner, 46, his brother Marco, 43, and their 74-year-old father, Friedrich,  accepted the charges against them in return for prison terms that are shorter than the time they have already spent in investigative custody.


...

CIA Resisted Kahn Arrest


Ruud Lubbers, a former Dutch prime minister, revealed in August 2006 that the Dutch authorities came close to arresting Khan twice — first in 1975 and later in 1986 —  but the CIA requested that they let him act freely.

Dutch intelligence had suspicions that Khan was stealing nuclear secrets in the Netherlands. They began to monitor him as soon as he arrived at the Physical Dynamic Research Laboratory. However, according to Lubbers, the country’s security agency asked the Ministry of Economic Affairs in 1975, then headed by him, not to act against Khan.


“I think the American intelligence agency put into practice what is very common there; just give us all the information. And do not arrest that man; just let him go ahead. We will have him followed and that way we can gain more information.”

The man was followed for almost 10 years, and, obviously, he was a serious problem. But again I was told that the secret services could handle it more effectively,” Lubbers said. “The Hague did not have the final say in the matter. Washington did.”

Lubbers suspects that Washington allowed Khan’s activities because Pakistan was a key ally in the fight against the Soviets. At the time, the U.S. government funded and armed mujahideen such Osama bin Laden. They were trained by Pakistani intelligence to fight Soviet troops in Afghanistan.
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INTEL TODAY Analysis

The ‘Libyan Nuke Project’ was a ‘sting op’ run jointly by the CIA and MI6 (and perhaps other Western Intelligence agencies).

Quite possibly, the CIA and MI6 have gone as far as providing some components to the Khan network. The vacuum pumps were manufactured by a German company: Pfeiffer Vacuum. According to the company, these vacuum pumps were sent to the U.S. nuclear weapons research facility in Los Alamos.


“Had we found WMDs in Iraq, there would have been no BBC China story,” admits an American diplomat, a smile on his face.

The primary mission of an Intelligence Agency is to protect itself and its image. Once in a while, the Agency needs a success story. When there is none, they make one up. Soon or later, a ‘presstitute’ will happily report the story in the New York Times, the WSJ and other mainstream media.
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Re: AFGHANISTAN HEATING UP - Pieczenik Is Pissed
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2017, 05:18:00 PM »


Dr. Steve Pieczenik In Heated Debate With Alex Jones About Trump And Afghanistan
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« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2017, 08:27:01 PM »
Exclusive – LTG (Ret) Keith Kellogg:
Trump as Commander in Chief, Making the Hard Decisions

LT. GEN. (RET.) KEITH KELLOGG  - 23 Aug 2017



I have seen the devastation of war. I have witnessed the final moments of young men in distant lands, far from all they love and hold dear. I have watched my daughter deploy to combat in Afghanistan and soon might my son. I recognize the personal courage required to make difficult decisions. I know the cost of war. More importantly, I know the price of freedom.

Monday night President Trump announced to the Nation the recommitment of America’s will, military, and diplomatic might to the fight in Afghanistan. He signaled to all that this Nation will not back away from hard sacrifice to ensure our safety. Undoubtedly, you will hear the hue and cry from the President’s detractors recalling a need to withdraw from Afghanistan and their rallying cries of failed campaign promises and abandonment of America First. Do not listen to them.

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Our President’s decision reflects an understanding that the promise to Make America Great Again must include cleaning up the mess left behind in Afghanistan from the fits and starts of the past 15 years. The President does not have the luxury of starting from nothing, of beginning from scratch.

.... We will fight those that threaten us wherever they may be. We will fight them at night, in the day, in their supposed sanctuaries. We will give them no rest nor will we grow weary. While our brave men and women in uniform are waging battle on the ground and from the air, President Trump will be using every diplomatic and economic tool at his disposal to bring about an end state that does not allow another country to become a breeding ground for radical Islamic terrorism.

The President has made the necessary hard decision. It is what all of us, as Americans, expect from our Commander in Chief. President Trump has demonstrated the courage to lead, the confidence in our military to deliver results, the trust in our diplomats to bring peace, and faith in our citizens’ patience to see our Nation to victory.

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Re: AFGHANISTAN HEATING UP
« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2017, 03:50:33 AM »
Obama v Trump

You do realize a 1 megaton logic bomb that has been detonated ?
If you back Trump's surge, you have to now retrospectively support Obama's Surge - LOL

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Re: AFGHANISTAN HEATING UP
« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2017, 06:54:19 AM »
... remember back in April? This was when
the heat was turned up.


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Re: AFGHANISTAN HEATING UP
« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2017, 07:47:31 AM »

" ... an alternative that I think avoids losing, which I think
most Americans will realize is not in our interests – but
avoids also the meat grinder, the waste of lives and treasure ..."


Frank Gaffney:
Trump Should Adopt Erik Prince’s Strategy to
‘Reduce the American Footprint’ in Afghanistan

JOHN HAYWARD - 23 Aug 2017

Center for Security Policy President Frank Gaffney joined SiriusXM host Raheem Kassam on Wednesday’s Breitbart News Daily to discuss President Trump’s announcement of his strategy in Afghanistan.

Gaffney said it remains to be seen whether Trump’s approach to Afghanistan is “different enough” from that of previous administrations to make a difference.

“I think that the president rejected what H.R. McMaster originally had in mind, thank God, which was 50,000 more U.S. troops in Afghanistan,” he said. “He didn’t, in the end, as you know, explicitly endorse a number.”

“In fact, he made some significant changes from the previous administration’s approach by saying we’re going to try to win, which is really a breakthrough,” Gaffney continued. “We’re going to make this condition-based, not arbitrarily aligned with some projections of the numbers of the amount of time they should be there. They’re going to stay until the job is done. All of that, I think, is an improvement over the previous administration if you think that we need to have a continuing presence in Afghanistan.”

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“Do it with a small number of CIA personnel and some contractor support, basically backing up, and helping to lead, and helping to train, and helping to discipline, and helping to make more effective Afghan forces than we have proven to do thus far with this big army, big footprint approach,” he recommended.

“Creating the impression in their (islamists) heads that the jihad is working, that they will triumph, that they will not only triumph in Afghanistan but that they will triumph globally, is exactly the wrong signal to be sending.”

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Re: AFGHANISTAN HEATING UP
« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2017, 10:55:10 AM »
From Trump's speech ...

"Thanks to the vigilance and skill of the American military, and of our many allies throughout the world, horrors on the scale of Sept. 11 — and nobody can ever forget that — have not been repeated on our shores."

"9/11, the worst terrorist attack in our history, was planned and directed from Afghanistan because that country was ruled by a government that gave comfort and shelter to terrorists."

"A hasty withdrawal would create a vacuum for terrorists, including ISIS and Al Qaeda, would instantly fill just as happened before Sept. 11."


Well this video didn't age well, did it?...



Neither did this article...

TRUMP VOWS: ‘ELECT ME AND YOU’LL FIND OUT WHO REALLY KNOCKED DOWN THE TWIN TOWERS’
“You may find it’s the Saudis
https://www.infowars.com/trump-vows-elect-me-and-youll-find-out-who-really-knocked-down-the-twin-towers/


The truth will set you free
From global tyranny
Wake up American slobs
9/11 was an inside job
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OntBg2qwk_M&fmt=35

Century of Manipulation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mujq-C1UAw0

... Here's Tom with the weather!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CCIcjIngLA

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Re: AFGHANISTAN HEATING UP
« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2017, 12:14:29 PM »
“Hey, I’m a nationalist and a globalist”
-- Donald Trump

Article : "A Limited Hangout Operation ?"

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Re: AFGHANISTAN HEATING UP
« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2017, 05:18:00 PM »
I agree with a lot of Luke's vid but I don't think it's technically a dupe if the candidate or party intended to actually keep their promises at the time of making them (which he even suggests in the case of Trump). Unless he's saying that people are dupes for supporting policy flip flops or pretending they don't exist. In which case I'd generally agree.

The establishment were always going to fight hard. Just as they are with Brexit. If we spot an opportunity and still end up losing, at least we've made them work for their money.

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Re: AFGHANISTAN HEATING UP
« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2017, 05:44:17 PM »

" ... strategy calls for a renewed toughness on Pakistan, which
is believed to be providing safe haven for terror groups ..."


Pakistan To US:
Don’t Look Us At, Look At Afghanistan Harboring Terrorists

JONAH BENNETT - 08/24/2017

Pakistan has responded to the latest salvo of accusations from the U.S. that it’s harboring terrorists by suggesting the U.S. military is not doing enough against terror havens in Afghanistan.

Following statements from President Donald Trump, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and National Security Council spokesman Michael Anton bashing Pakistan for harboring terrorists, the office of Pakistani Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi released a rare statement in response.

“We would like to see effective and immediate U.S. military efforts to eliminate sanctuaries harbouring terrorists and miscreants on Afghan soil, including those responsible for fomenting terror in Pakistan,” the prime minister’s office said in a statement, Reuters reports.

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"... Pakistan’s Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif complained that Washington was using Pakistan as a scapegoat to cover up its military failings in Afghanistan."

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Re: AFGHANISTAN HEATING UP
« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2017, 08:33:32 AM »
TOO RISKY!?

... sounds like DJT would be smart to go with a plan
that will minimize 'casualities' ... if he wants to hang
on to some key voting blocks:

http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2017/08/23/frank-gaffney-trump-adopt-erik-princes-strategy-reduce-american-footprint-afghanistan/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

The Burden of Fighting in Afghanistan Will Fall on Trump’s Supporters
JOHN CARNEY - 24 Aug 2017

President Donald Trump’s supporters will pay a bloody price for his abandoning his “original instinct” on Afghanistan.
“Since the founding of our republic,” Trump said in his speech on Afghanistan this week, “American patriots from every generation have given their last breath on the battlefield for our nation and for our freedom.”

Although Trump refused to say how many American troops he would commit to Afghanistan to carry out his escalation, it is a certainty that many of those breathing their last breaths there would be from the places that delivered him his electoral victory last November. A recent study found that there is a significant relationship between the support for Trump in a county and the county’s rate of casualties from wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. These are places that voted for Trump because they had suffered enough in our wars and wanted a president who promised a change.

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Afghanistan has been called the “graveyard of Empires,” as so many attempts by outsiders through history to conquer it have foundered. America has spent $117 billion in its war in Afghanistan over the past 16 years. More than twenty-thousand Americans have been wounded in the fighting. More than 2,300 Americans have been killed. Escalation raises the possibility that Afghanistan could become the graveyard of the Trump administration, the place where Trump’s presidency breathes its final breath.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/24/the-burden-of-fighting-in-afghanistan-will-fall-on-trumps-supporters/
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Re: AFGHANISTAN HEATING UP
« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2017, 09:05:09 AM »
TRUMP~> "... decided to keep troops there to 'fight to win' to
avoid the mistakes made in Iraq."


Afghanistan hails Trump support in 'joint struggle'
22 August 2017

The Afghan president has hailed Donald Trump's decision to commit
US troops to the country to fight against the resurgent Taliban.


Ashraf Ghani thanked the US for supporting "the joint struggle against the threat of terrorism". Donald Trump has committed the US Army to the open-ended conflict, despite previously advocating its withdrawal.

The Taliban responded by saying it would make Afghanistan a "graveyard" for US forces.
Mr Trump offered few details on the plan, but singled out Pakistan for criticism for offering "safe havens" to extremists.

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Welcoming the plan, Afghan President Ashraf Ghani said Mr Trump's comments showed America was "with us, without any time limit".
"I am grateful to President Trump and the American people for this affirmation of support... for our joint struggle to rid the region from the threat of terrorism," he said in a statement on Tuesday.
The new strategy, he said, would enhance the training of Afghan security forces.
Nato chief Jens Stoltenberg praised the move and said the alliance, which has about 12,000 troops in Afghanistan, would not allow the country to become "a safe haven for terrorists who would attack our own countries".

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41012617
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