Tasers - The New Weapon of Choice for the NWO

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Re: SCIENTIFIC PROOF!!! Tasers Can Cause Death!
« Reply #40 on: February 20, 2008, 03:07:15 PM »
"The company is still not concerned"

"Dismisses the study..."

Yeah...right.

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That's fine - and it's a lot of ammo in court for the next person's family who dies to one of these. If not - existing cases now.
And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR FREEDOM!

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Re: SCIENTIFIC PROOF!!! Tasers Can Cause Death!
« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2008, 03:19:40 PM »

And the police that tasered people to death that did not deserve it should all be charged with murder.



Warning!  Rhetorical Question:  Which ones deserved death?





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Re: SCIENTIFIC PROOF!!! Tasers Can Cause Death!
« Reply #42 on: February 27, 2008, 11:23:13 AM »
Taser shocks ruled cause of death
Company disputes first such finding

Robert Anglen
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0730taser30.html
Jul. 30, 2005 12:00 AM

A Chicago medical examiner has ruled that shocks from a Taser were responsible for the death of a man in February, marking the first time that the electronic stun gun has been named as the primary cause of death.

This is the latest challenge to Scottsdale-based Taser International's claim that its stun guns have never caused a death or serious injury and comes a week after an Illinois police department filed a class-action lawsuit claiming Taser misled law enforcement agencies about the safety of its weapon.

The death is the 18th case in which a coroner has cited Taser as a factor in someone's death and the fourth case where Taser has been named as a cause of death. But in all of those, Taser was secondary to other factors such as drugs, heart conditions or mental illness.

An autopsy report from the Cook County's Medical Examiner's Office attributed the death of Ronald Hasse, 54, to electrocution from two Taser jolts delivered by a Chicago police officer. The autopsy said methamphetamines contributed to Hasse's death.

Taser strongly criticized the Medical Examiner's Office in a statement Friday and said it will challenge the autopsy.

"We believe that the scientific and medical community will publicly challenge this conclusion based upon the lack of credible evidence," Taser spokesman Steve Tuttle wrote in an e-mail on Friday. "Taser International will seek a judicial review of the report and the basis for which those statements were made."

This is not the first time Taser has challenged a medical examiner. For years, Taser officials publicly said the stun gun was never cited in an autopsy report. But an Arizona Republic investigation last year revealed that Tasers have been cited repeatedly by medical examiners in death cases and that Taser did not start collecting autopsy reports until last April.

Taser officials later maintained that the medical examiners in those cases were wrong and did not have the credentials or expertise necessary to examine deaths involving stun guns. They now maintain that Tasers have never been cited by a medical examiner as "the sole cause of death."

The Republic has identified 140 cases of death in the United States and Canada following a police Taser shock since 1999. Of those, coroners said, Taser was a cause of death in four cases and a contributing factor in 10 cases. In four other cases, medical examiners said Taser could not be ruled out as a cause of death.

In his e-mail on Friday, Tuttle said Hasse's death should likely have been blamed on the methamphetamines.

"We sincerely hope that a groundless opinion will not overshadow the medical and scientific community's conclusions as to the lethal levels of methamphetamine use," he said in the statement. "Overlooking this as a primary cause of death contradicts the very nature and purpose of these known lethal values."

Cook County Deputy Medical Examiner Scott Denton said that drugs alone would not have caused Hasse's death. A five-second shock followed by a 57-second shock pushed Hasse "over the edge," Denton told the Chicago Sun-Times.

"That's extraordinary," Denton said. "He became unresponsive and died after this."

Hasse, a former securities trader who was supposed to go on trial in June in the burial of a body on an Indiana farm, confronted officers in a Chicago high-rise.

Police said they used the Taser on Hasse when he tried to kick and bite officers during a struggle. He also threatened to infect paramedics with HIV.

After Hasse's death, Chicago police halted plans for a Taser expansion. Denton told the Sun-Times that police should stop using Tasers on people who are acting psychotic or appear to be under the influence of drugs.

Denton, who grew up in Scottsdale, did not return The Republic's calls for an interview on Friday. According to a Web site for the Illinois Coroners and Medical Examiners Association, Denton has worked at the Office of the Medical Examiner of Cook County for nine years. He is also an assistant professor in the pathology department at Rush University Medical Center. He got his medical degree from the University of Arizona.

Denton told the Sun-Times that he reviewed thousands of pages of information provided by Taser. But he said his conclusion was also based on the findings of James Ruggieri, an electrical engineer who in February made a presentation to the American Academy of Forensic Sciences in which he said Taser shocks could cause cardiac arrest.

Ruggieri, who is a forensic engineer and has consulted with police departments and the military on electrical accidents, said shocks from Taser could cause delayed ventricular fibrillation, the irregular heartbeat characteristic of a heart attack. He also said that multiple shocks from a Taser could cause someone to stop breathing and go into cardiac arrest. He said that many deaths involving Tasers have likely been wrongly dismissed as simple heart attacks or drug overdoses.

Taser has challenged Ruggieri's credentials and said its own medical and electrical experts dispute his findings. Taser maintains that its guns have undergone dozens of tests through universities and the Department of Defense, which support its claim of safety.

Tuttle said Friday that Denton should not have relied on "an unsubstantiated theoretical position of electrical safety as presented by James Ruggieri."

Ruggieri said that he doesn't know Denton. He said the doctor contacted him once in February to get a copy of his academy presentation. But Ruggieri said Friday that he is not surprised by the medical examiner's conclusion.

"It was only a matter of time," he said. "All of the impartial people - doctors, scientists, pathologists - took heed of this. They now have had facts to look at when presented with death cases involving Taser."

Taser, in a June 28 training bulletin, advised police that "repeated, prolonged and/or continuous exposures to the Taser may cause strong muscle contractions that may impair breathing and respiration, particularly when the probes are placed across the chest or diaphragm."

In training classes and instruction manuals, Taser has previously told police to use repeated shocks to control a suspect.


The stun guns have been sold to more than 7,000 law enforcement agencies in the country and are credited with reducing injuries and deaths to suspects and officers and lowering the number of police shootings. But several law enforcement agencies, including the department in Birmingham, Ala., and the Lucas County (Ohio) Sheriff's Office, have pulled the guns from the street.

Last week, Dolton, Ill., filed a class-action lawsuit against Taser, becoming the first police department to take legal action over what it described as Taser's exaggerated claims of safety. The city said it paid $8,572 for stun guns that are too dangerous to use on the street.

Taser stock, which soared last year, dropped by a third this year after the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission and the Arizona Attorney General's Office announced separate inquiries into the company's claims of safety.

The price of Taser stock was down about 26 cents on Friday, to $9.72 per share.

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« Reply #43 on: March 02, 2008, 06:04:04 PM »
A Taser is an electroshock weapon meant to stun a targeted subject from a distance. Currently there are two main police models, the M26 and X26. Both come with various accessories, including a laser sight and mounted digital video camera that can record in low-light situations. Taser International is also marketing a civilian model called the C2 (taser). Taser is in talks with the US Marine Corps in creating the XREP (eXtended Range Electronic Projectile), a wireless Taser round that can be fired from a 12 gauge shotgun.

Tasers were introduced as a less-than-lethal weapon to be used by police to subdue fleeing, belligerent, or potentially dangerous subjects, often when a lethal weapon would have otherwise been used, but also as often to subdue a non-cooperative or simply resistant citizen. Tasers have not been proven to reduce gun usage and their use has become controversial following reports of inappropriate and/or excessively repeated use resulting in injury or death to subjects.

Tasers used as electroshock weapons became part of routine police work in the United States in the early 1990s. Prior to the 1990s such electrical technology in the hands of law enforcement, now ubiquitous, was extremely rare. Press reports did not focus on this aspect of police intervention, as was the case with Rodney King, where tasers were used. Since then, mass manufactured Tasers became symbols of police reality, fueling growing controversy over the multiple dangers of their use as a control mechanism against uncooperative or resistant citizens rather than as an alternative in deadly-force situations.

Recognised risks

TASER International has admitted in a training bulletin that repeated blasts of a taser can "impair breathing and respiration". Also, on Taser's website it is stated that, for a subject in a state known as "excited delirium" (a controversial term in itself), repeated or prolonged stuns with the Taser can contribute to "significant and potentially fatal health risks".  In such a state, physical restraint by the police coupled with the exertion by the subject are considered likely to result in death or more injuries. Critics say that Electroshock devices are known to burn skin with its electric arc and can damage delicate electrical equipment such as pacemakers.  However, a study conducted by the Cleveland Clinic in 2007 on a single animal determined that, a standard five-second TASER X26 application "does not affect the short-term functional integrity of implantable pacemakers and defibrillators... The long-term effects were not assessed."

It is assumed that tasers as well as all other high voltage stun devices can cause cardiac arrhythmia in susceptible subjects, possibly leading to heart attack or death in minutes by ventricular fibrillation (which leads to cardiac arrest and if not treated immediately to sudden death).[citation needed] People susceptible to this outcome are sometimes healthy and unaware of their susceptibility.[citation needed]

Critics argue that although the medical conditions or illegal drug-taking among some of the casualties may have been the proximate cause of death, the electric blast of the taser can significantly heighten such risk for subjects in an at-risk category.  This suggests that tasers and other electroshock weapons would be dangerous to use on people with certain medical conditions and yet, since police officers will typically not know about a person's medical history or possible drug use, this entails a risk of death with virtually any suspect.

Deaths and injuries


Between June 2001 and June 2007, there were at least 245 cases of deaths of subjects soon after having been shocked using Tasers.  Of these cases:

    * In 7 cases, medical examiners said Tasers were a cause or a contributing factor or could not be ruled out as a cause of death.
    * In 16 cases coroners and other officials stated that a taser was a secondary or contributory factor of death.
    * In dozens of cases, coroners cited excited delirium as cause of death. Excited delirium has been questioned as a medical diagnosis.
    * Several deaths occurred as a result of injuries sustained in struggles. In a few of these cases head injury due to falling after being shocked contributed to later death. Some police departments, like that of Clearwater, Florida, have tried to eradicate such incidents by prohibiting taser use when the suspect is in danger of falling.

In 2005, a medical examiner ruled for the first time that a Taser was the primary factor in a death.

Several incidents have received large publicity:

    * July 2005, UK. Police tasered a man in hypoglycemic shock, believing that he was a potential security threat.
    * October 2006, USA. A 17 year old boy died after being repeatedly tasered by police.
    * November 2006, USA. UCLA Taser incident
    * September 2007, USA. University of Florida Taser incident
    * October 2007, Canada. Robert Dziekański Taser incident
    * November 2007, Canada. Howard Hyde incident.
    * December 2007, Canada. Quilem Registre Taser incident

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« Reply #44 on: March 02, 2008, 06:09:02 PM »
Torture

The United Nations Committee against Torture reported that the use of Tasers can be a form of torture, due to the acute pain they cause, and warns against the possibility of death in certain cases.  Amnesty International has reported several alleged cases of excessive electroshock gun use, that possibly amount to torture, including the death of an individual after being struck 12 times with a Taser in Orange County, Florida. They have also raised extensive concerns about the use of other electro-shock devices by American police and in American prisons, as they can be (and according to Amnesty International, sometimes are) used to inflict cruel pain on individuals. For example, Eric Hammock of Texas died in April 2005 after receiving more than 20 taser shocks by Fort Worth police officers. Maurice Cunningham of South Carolina was subjected to continuous shock for 2 minutes 49 seconds, which a medical examiner said caused cardiac arrhythmia and his subsequent death. He was 29 years old and had no alcohol or drugs in his system.

Tasers may also not leave the telltale markings that a conventional beating might. The American Civil Liberties Union has also raised concerns about their use.
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Re: Tasers - The New Weapon of Choice for the NWO
« Reply #46 on: March 05, 2008, 04:11:18 PM »
Get guns and ammo and kill all the immigrants right delta

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Police say they use Tasers on non-violent people
« Reply #47 on: March 10, 2008, 09:22:06 PM »
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/westcoastnews/story.html?id=35f7b04b-953f-44dd-8001-29708d1c59c3

Police say they use Tasers on non-violent people


Internal documents show the weapon has been employed simply to get some suspects do what they are told
Chad Skelton, Vancouver Sun
Published: Saturday, March 08, 2008

Vancouver police regularly use Tasers to subdue people who are unarmed and non-violent, according to internal reports released by the force.

On Friday, in response to a Freedom of Information request, VPD published on its website details of the about 150 times officers drew their Tasers from 2002 to early 2007.

The more than 70 pages of reports include cases where the electric shock weapon was drawn from its holster but not fired.

The reports cover cases in which the Taser was fired at a suspect from a distance and cases where it was used in "drive stun" mode -- where a shock is administered by holding the device directly against a suspect.

The reports indicate that, in most cases in which Vancouver officers fired the Taser from a distance, the person was acting violently -- from fighting with officers to threatening themselves or others with a weapon.

"[Officers] observed the male stabbing himself in the stomach with a pen," reads one report from 2006. "When [officers] challenged the suspect, he ran at them and the [Taser] was fired. The suspect immediately fell to the ground and was handcuffed."

However, in a number of cases, police used the Taser as soon as someone displayed a "fighting stance" or simply to get a non-violent suspect to do what they were told.

"Suspect fled from plainclothes members and resisted arrest when caught. Suspect was taken to the ground but refused to allow [officers] to handcuff him and held his arms underneath his body," reads one report from 2006. "Strikes and open hand techniques were attempted but the suspect was still resisting. A [Taser] drive stun was applied to the suspect's lower back and the suspect was then handcuffed."

Jason Gratl, president of the B.C. Civil Liberties Association, said he was troubled to see Vancouver police are using the Taser as a compliance tool.

"The officers seem content to Taser individuals for lack of compliance with verbal commands or aggressive posturing," said Gratl. "It is dead certain from these reports that Tasers are not merely an alternative to the use of sidearms but are used in practice as a convenient tool to gain physical control over individuals."

There is debate over whether the Taser should be used to get non-violent suspects to comply with police orders.

In December, Paul Kennedy, head of the RCMP's Commission for Public Complaints, published a report saying Tasers were used too often and recommended police use them only against suspects who are being "combative" or "posing a risk of death or grievous bodily harm" to themselves or others.

VPD Const. Jana McGuiness said the force believes the Taser is sometimes the safest option for controlling someone who is resisting arrest. "The problem is when you have a subject resisting to that degree, your chances of injuring yourself or that person escalates," she said. "The Taser allows [police] to gain control with the minimum amount of injury to themselves or the suspect."

According to the VPD, suicide attempts were an issue in about one in five Taser deployments and drugs or alcohol were a factor in one in three.
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Re: Tasers - The New Weapon of Choice for the NWO
« Reply #48 on: March 15, 2008, 01:49:43 AM »
Well if these tasers are so great where do we go to buy them. If some new fangled device is available and is non lethal I would think they would be clamoring to get them into our hands to deter ownership of those awful nasty firearms.

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« Reply #49 on: March 21, 2008, 11:50:52 AM »
Well if these tasers are so great where do we go to buy them. If some new fangled device is available and is non lethal I would think they would be clamoring to get them into our hands to deter ownership of those awful nasty firearms.

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Michigan To Weigh Sale Of Tasers To Civilians
« Reply #50 on: April 08, 2008, 01:58:26 AM »
 
 http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080408/POLITICS/804080382
 

Tuesday, April 8, 2008
Sale of Tasers to public weighed
Mich. bills would allow people with concealed weapons permits to carry nonlethal device.
Delores Flynn / The Detroit News
GRAND LEDGE -- Cana Garrison has handled guns since age 12, when she and her dad shot targets in the woods behind their Charlotte home.

But the Air National Guardswoman, who has rifle and pistol training, would rather carry a Taser than a gun.

"With a Taser, I can still defend myself, but with less force to incapacitate a perpetrator, and at the same time I don't have to worry about hurting anyone else," she said.

Garrison is among those who support a three-bill House package that would allow Michigan residents with concealed-weapon permits to carry a Taser, instead of a gun, as a less-than-lethal option for self-defense.

Under current law, only law enforcement and Corrections officers, military personnel, licensed private investigators, pilots and crew members can possess weapons that use electric currents.

"I believe firearms are a good thing, but I'm concerned about potential stray bullets harming someone, especially in my home," said Garrison, 28, who's taken state concealed pistol license training and is seeking a CCW permit.

"If I shot someone and the bullet went through them, then through a wall or window and hit an innocent bystander on the sidewalk, that's the absolute last thing I'd want to happen trying to defend yourself."

The law would allow Michigan residents to buy single-shot civilian Tasers that use compressed nitrogen to shoot wired darts 15 feet, delivering a painful electrical charge that incapacitates a person's muscles and limbs.

And while proponents argue that Tasers are a safer alternative to firearms, law enforcement officials and human rights advocates say the devices are far too dangerous to entrust to the public for widespread use.


Civilians are allowed to carry the devices in 43 states, with exceptions being Michigan, New York, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Wisconsin, Hawaii and Maryland, along with various counties and municipalities such as Washington, D.C. The Michigan legislators pushing the bills insist that only CCW permit holders would be allowed Tasers because they've already undergone firearm training and background checks.

"I have a great belief in people being able to defend themselves from great bodily harm, murder and rape and having various options for individual protection," said Rep. Rick Jones, R-Grand Ledge, the former Eaton County sheriff who co-authored the legislation with fellow Republican Reps. Goeff Hansen of Hart and Arlan Meekhof of West Olive.

"Since some employers don't allow employees with licenses to bring a gun to work, giving residents a less than lethal option seems logical."

Taser laws vary by state. Illinois only allows residents to use a Taser or stun gun, which has to be pressed against the skin, inside a home or business.

In Arizona, women attend Taser parties that resemble Tupperware get-togethers. In 2007, Taser International released its fits-in-a-purse C2 model, which comes in a variety of colors, including metallic pink.

But some local law enforcement officials don't like the idea. They say police officers are highly trained in Taser use, while civilians receive no training beyond the owner's manual and an instructional DVD.

"My gut reaction is that it will open a can of worms," Birmingham Police Chief Richard Patterson said. "A Taser could be used in a heated escalation of, say, road rage with people yelling at each other. A guy may be thinking 'Well, I can't kill him, but I can zap him,' and then he goes and does it."

Amnesty International has frequently criticized police Taser use and has counted 290 Taser-related deaths resulting from law enforcement use since 2001. Six deaths took place in Michigan, including in Shelby Township, Lyon Township and Lincoln Park.

"We all know that any weapon can be abused without proper oversight, so there is great concern about putting more of these in the hands of the general public," said Dori Dinsmore, Amnesty's Midwest regional director. "Plus, there haven't been any independent studies on the effects of Tasers on certain individuals that may have alcohol in their system or a pre-existing heart condition. We just don't know."

Michigan's legislation, which is under review in the House Judiciary Committee, makes it a felony for anyone to misuse or commit a crime with a Taser. Jones hopes the Judiciary Committee takes up the issue in the next two months and the bill gets passed by the end of the year. If not, he will take up the issue again in 2009.

Since the devices are only intended for self-defense, once a Taser is shot it spits out a confetti-like material containing the serial number of the cartridge that police can use to identify the owner if necessary, according to Taser International.

The company has sold Tasers since 1994 and knows of fewer than a dozen cases where the device has been used in a crime. In 14 years, more than 160,000 Tasers have been sold to consumers directly from the company, Cabela's and some firearm outlets.

Tom Urbanski, owner of Ski's Firearm Training and Consulting in Oregon, Ohio, a Toledo suburb, keeps a handful of Tasers in stock in case one of his firearms students becomes squeamish about using a gun.

"When I hit students with the fact they need to aim for somebody's chest, which might kill them in defense, I usually get a negative reaction, especially from women," Urbanski said. "That's when I pull out the Tasers and stun guns and offer them a different option."

Brad Benzing doesn't support Michigan's proposed legislation because, as with guns, it would limit the places where Tasers can be carried.

No-carry zones would include schools, university classrooms and dorms, churches, day care centers, hospitals, bars and taverns, sporting arenas and entertainment facilities with 2,500 people or more. That's too restrictive for Benzing.

"It doesn't provide a person like me who carries a gun for self-defense any added benefits," said Benzing, an appliance store owner and member of the Hillsdale-based Shooters' Alliance for Firearms Rights, which is working to get the bill changed. "We support the concept but the bill needs more work."

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Re: Tasers - The New Weapon of Choice for the NWO
« Reply #51 on: April 22, 2008, 10:08:17 PM »
Wow tazer is really pushing this useless tech. How many times is the display of a gun good enough to stop an attack? Look it up. These one shot wonders are poo-pooed in Self defence forums as they only give "ONE" shot. This and pepper spray guns are not really solutions. What if you miss? What if it doesnt work? No trying again your dead. They are to be considered only "IF" you are in a no firearms zone(witch is BS also). This is really simple either you are justified in using deadly force or you have no grounds to engage the other party.

Displaying deadly force, and being ignored is cause enough because the attacker is showing distinct lack of fear from seriously harming (or killing)you. Remember its situational awareness that keeps you from getting into compromising positions in the first place. Having a non lethal "magic bullet" will probably lull you into the idea "If things get bad ill just use this and not have to worry about killing someone". With a firearm you know you will have to probably kill so its an extra incentive to stay out of trouble.

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« Reply #52 on: April 22, 2008, 10:14:41 PM »
P.S. What if the Tazzer works too well and they stop moving? You just killed someone you might not have had justification in attacking? They are not completely non-lethal as they are advertised.

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Re: Tasers - The New Weapon of Choice for the NWO
« Reply #53 on: April 22, 2008, 10:37:06 PM »
P.S. What if the Tazzer works too well and they stop moving? You just killed someone you might not have had justification in attacking? They are not completely non-lethal as they are advertised.

The weapons maker, TASER International, needs to be sued by every person (or family of the deceased/injured) who is tased.

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Man hit with Taser by Oxford police dies
« Reply #54 on: April 24, 2008, 10:58:40 PM »
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/04/man_hit_with_taser_by_oxford_p.html

Man hit with Taser by Oxford police dies

A former Walton Hills man who was hit with a Taser by Oxford police after a bar fight last week died just after 5 p.m. Thursday.

Kevin Piskura, 24, had been in critical condition at University Hospital in Cincinnati since the incident early Saturday morning.

Piskura was a 2002 graduate of Benedictine High School and a 2006 graduate of Miami University. He had moved to Chicago after graduating from Miami.

Hospital spokesman Don Crouse said he could not release details of Piskura's injuries. In a statement released through the hospital, Piskura's family requested privacy while thanking people for their support.

"Today, we lost a son, a brother, a family member and a friend," the family said. "The medical staff and everyone here at University Hospital were heroic in their efforts to save Kevin, and for that we are eternally grateful."

"In the end, it seems there was simply nothing more anyone could do," the family statement continues. "No one feels this loss more deeply than we do, however we still request that people refrain from rash judgment and wait until the independent investigation of this event is complete, lest tragedy lead to more tragedy."

In a written statement from Oxford Police, the city manager and police chief, "expressed their deepest sympathy" to the family and noted that the Butler County sheriff and prosecutor are investigating the incident.

A police report states that officers responded to the Brick Street Bar on High Street to help staff remove patrons about 2 a.m. Saturday. Though a companion of Piskura backed down when ordered to by officers, the report states, Piskura fought with police and bar staff.

He was warned that the officer had a Taser, then was hit with the weapon for several seconds. He was taken to a local hospital when he was unresponsive and later sent to University Hospital. Piskura's companion, Kevin Smith, also 24 and of Chicago, was cited for disorderly conduct.

Police used a X26 Taser model, which transmits electrical pulses through wires and into the body affecting the sensory and motor functions of the peripheral nervous system, according to the company's website. The energy can penetrate up to two cumulative inches of clothing, or one inch per probe.

Piskura's father Charles is a retired Bedford Police officer and his mother Mary teaches at St. Barnabas elementary school in Northfield.
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Re: Man hit with Taser by Oxford police dies
« Reply #55 on: April 25, 2008, 03:52:56 AM »
Taser cops are murderers.

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New taser video for you Alex! Woman was just stood there!
« Reply #56 on: April 26, 2008, 05:43:42 PM »
Gotta see this!
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Police dash cam.Jan 27/08:Raw video supplied by the S.C. Department of Public safety. In this incident from January 2008, a trooper uses a taser to bring an uncooperative woman under control during a traffic stop.
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Re: New taser video for you Alex! Woman was just stood there!
« Reply #57 on: April 26, 2008, 05:54:24 PM »
You know what He was being respectful and she was running her ignorant mouth. I did not watch the whole thing but I know You treat officers with respect. I mean they have to deal with the trailer trash beating their wives on a daily basis so I am not going to run my mouth. I have got out of speeding tickets before by being nice and saying yes sir no sir. I mean she is stupid You can not argue with a cop because they are already right thats how its always been and always will be. I do not agree with police violence but if You run You're mouth expect something to happen. I think shit heads in this country need to learn how to treat people I see how manners are not taught in families every day. I work in a atmosphere where 70+ guys live on a small vessel and I see it all the time. The people are so f**kin inconsiderate and they will turn on lights while You are sleeping or reach halfway across the table and grab the ketchup from you. I mean f**k has anyone taught those f**ks to treat people with respect. I would imagine in a hunger atmosphere the guy that reaches agross the table like that is gonna get his ASS kicked. I wonder why his mother never taught him "Yes Sir" "No Sir" "Yes Mam" "No Mam" "Could You please pass the" "excuse me" "I am sorry" oh and my favorite "I was wrong".....

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Re: New taser video for you Alex! Woman was just stood there!
« Reply #58 on: April 26, 2008, 06:05:36 PM »
You know what He was being respectful and she was running her ignorant mouth. I did not watch the whole thing but I know You treat officers with respect. I mean they have to deal with the trailer trash beating their wives on a daily basis so I am not going to run my mouth. I have got out of speeding tickets before by being nice and saying yes sir no sir. I mean she is stupid You can not argue with a cop because they are already right thats how its always been and always will be. I do not agree with police violence but if You run You're mouth expect something to happen. I think shit heads in this country need to learn how to treat people I see how manners are not taught in families every day. I work in a atmosphere where 70+ guys live on a small vessel and I see it all the time. The people are so f**kin inconsiderate and they will turn on lights while You are sleeping or reach halfway across the table and grab the ketchup from you. I mean f**k has anyone taught those f**ks to treat people with respect. I would imagine in a hunger atmosphere the guy that reaches agross the table like that is gonna get his ASS kicked. I wonder why his mother never taught him "Yes Sir" "No Sir" "Yes Mam" "No Mam" "Could You please pass the" "excuse me" "I am sorry" oh and my favorite "I was wrong".....

have you lost your f**king mind?

A taser is a lethal torture device used on cattle to kill, maim, control.

Rockefeller/Cheney must love the taser control grid that this officer obviously bought into.

"If they say anything...KILL WITH PREJUDICE.

Do not kill them quickly, make them suffer torture and pain for hours first with our cattle prods that we allow you to use.

Now the final solution can be applied..."

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Re: New taser video for you Alex! Woman was just stood there!
« Reply #59 on: April 26, 2008, 06:09:45 PM »
Hey look another satisfied "taser death" customer

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Re: New taser video for you Alex! Woman was just stood there!
« Reply #60 on: April 26, 2008, 06:11:02 PM »
More satisfied customers of the finely tuned taser murder weapon:

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Re: New taser video for you Alex! Woman was just stood there!
« Reply #61 on: April 26, 2008, 06:12:18 PM »
More happy slaves now that we are training people to watch their language when a cop harasses them:


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Re: New taser video for you Alex! Woman was just stood there!
« Reply #62 on: April 26, 2008, 06:13:19 PM »
Another happy mother now that the cops taught her son how to behave (by killing him with a taser gun).

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Re: New taser video for you Alex! Woman was just stood there!
« Reply #63 on: April 26, 2008, 06:16:24 PM »
Awesome, the new population control device is showing exponential growth in killing the weak and unneccessary from our planet...






I am sure the last 3 and next 10 years will be AWESOME!

Hurray for the new killing machine of choice.

Best part about this killing tool, YOU CAN SHOOT THEM IN THE BACK FOR DOING NOTHING!!!!

Yipppeeeeeeee
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« Reply #64 on: April 26, 2008, 06:17:19 PM »






Who wants to bet that the next generation tasers will look like assault weapons and carbines?

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Re: New taser video for you Alex! Woman was just stood there!
« Reply #65 on: April 26, 2008, 06:18:19 PM »
That chart is from 2004. I'm sure the numbers are through the roof now.
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Re: New taser video for you Alex! Woman was just stood there!
« Reply #66 on: April 26, 2008, 06:19:44 PM »
That chart is from 2004. I'm sure the numbers are through the roof now.

most taser deaths are reported as heart attacks, natural causes.

the numbers are false anyway.

But the exponential growth is overwhelming.
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Re: New taser video for you Alex! Woman was just stood there!
« Reply #67 on: April 26, 2008, 06:24:09 PM »
I refuse to say "yes sir" and "no sir" to some cop half my age.

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Re: New taser video for you Alex! Woman was just stood there!
« Reply #68 on: April 26, 2008, 06:57:45 PM »
We have rights as tax paying citizens too!  WHy did he have to taser her repeatedly and step on her with his foot?  He was going to arrest her and that's fine, but he chose to torture her because they enjoy it.  As Alex says, "You cops think that you are God."  You have the right to say, "With all due respect, officer, I think that you're an asshole, blank, blank!"  It's called freedom of speech, MF's!

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Re: New taser video for you Alex! Woman was just stood there!
« Reply #69 on: April 26, 2008, 08:11:46 PM »
Even more shocking is the attitude conveyed in the responses under the video on LL. They literally cheer for the cop and are completely brainwashed to go along with it as if it's normal.
One day it will catch up with them and then it will be too late to do anything.

Isn't it law in the US that you're allowed to have a third party present before a cop has his way with you at the side of the road? I'm pretty sure i saw something like that in a video once.

In the video where that ex-basketball guy gets tased, begging for mercy, at least he started to run in fear, but in ths one SHE IS JUST STANDING THERE!

No running, no threats, no drugs, no alcohol, no violence... just a bit of patience and respect is all the woman asked for yet she got a cattle prod and an arrest instead. Ugh i feel sick.

This whole "Do as we say or else" mentality has to stop. It is not what America is supposed to represent.
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Re: New taser video for you Alex! Woman was just stood there!
« Reply #70 on: April 26, 2008, 08:17:07 PM »
Hey its the cops job to serve and protect, if anything they ought to make it a point to be respectful, if that was shown more often I think most of us would reciprocate.

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Re: New taser video for you Alex! Woman was just stood there!
« Reply #71 on: April 26, 2008, 08:22:33 PM »
I thought over 300 have died from tasers?

What strikes me is that most of these taser deaths come from fairly minor incidents - speeding, drunk and disorderly, talking back to a cop, drug cases, etc.  Death penalty for civil infractions and misdemeanors?

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Re: New taser video for you Alex! Woman was just stood there!
« Reply #72 on: April 26, 2008, 09:19:13 PM »
The COINTELPRO arguments blaming victims for the way they speak have no f**king clue about the foundation of the USA...


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« Reply #73 on: April 26, 2008, 09:21:25 PM »
Where is this licence plate from?  Mexico?  China?  I do not think so...


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Re: New taser video for you Alex! Woman was just stood there!
« Reply #74 on: April 26, 2008, 09:27:18 PM »
Wow.  What a stunning aray of posts, Sane.  You've hit the nail on the head... as you usually do.  Taser-happy bastards. 


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Re: New taser video for you Alex! Woman was just stood there!
« Reply #75 on: April 26, 2008, 09:44:50 PM »
Wow.  What a stunning aray of posts, Sane.  You've hit the nail on the head... as you usually do.  Taser-happy bastards. 


these lethal weapons have no place in this country.  they have no purpose here.  they are cattle prods for livestock or for use in a george lucas sci-fi movie.

I am sick of it.

their existence on American soil (or any soil for that matter) is a total black eye on the constitution and the goal of the founding fathers.

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Friday, April 13, 2007
Happy Birthday, Thomas Jefferson
http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2007/04/happy-birthday-thomas-jefferson.html
By Gen LeGreca

On April 13th every American should raise a Champagne glass high to toast the farmer, architect, scholar, revolutionary, and American president born that spring day in 1743: Thomas Jefferson. One of our greatest Founding Fathers, Jefferson lovingly carved much of the government and character of his precious gem, America.

He penned numerous documents extolling the revolutionary ideas of his time, including the stirring words on the parchment that is the soul of America, "The Declaration of Independence." Yet how many of our current citizens—and elected officials—truly understand its meaning?

The Declaration launched the first country in history based on the principle that every individual possesses certain "unalienable" rights. According to Jefferson's writings, "free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their Chief Magistrate." No tyrant can violate the rights of man, nor can any majority vote in Congress. "[T]he majority, oppressing an individual," says Jefferson, "is guilty of a crime … and by acting on the law of the strongest breaks up the foundations of society."

Our rights belong to us as individuals, with each of us possessing the same rights. There are no "rights" of groups to any special favors or privileges. It is inappropriate, for example, for pizza eaters to lobby Congress for a "right" to a free pizza every Thursday. If Congress grants their wish, out of concern for their nourishment or their votes, it acts outside of its proper function. According to Jefferson, "Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare but only those specifically enumerated [in the Constitution]."

Our rights to life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness are rights to take action; they are not entitlements to the goods and services of others. Jefferson defined liberty as "unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others." This means we may act in our own behalf, for example, to earn money and buy a house, but we may not expect the government to tax others to provide us with a house for free. Life requires productive work and effort to sustain it, a fact that Jefferson considered to be our glory. When his Monticello farm fell on hard times, he began producing nails, and did so proudly because "every honest employment is deemed honorable [in America]…. My new trade of nail-making is to me in this country what an additional title of nobility … [is] in Europe." He scorned the "idleness" of the European aristocracy, calling their courts "the weakest and worst part of mankind." What would he think of our current government's grants and handouts to countless special interest groups, a practice that rewards people for non-effort?

Our right to property means we have the right to keep the things we acquire. Does a rich person have less of a right to property than a poor person? According to Jefferson: "To take from one because it is thought his own industry … has acquired too much, in order to spare others who … have not exercised equal industry and skill is to violate the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it." What would he think of the persistent cries of today's politicians to "tax the rich," thereby depriving them of their property and the pursuit of their happiness?

Jefferson ardently championed the spiritual and intellectual independence of the individual. He was so proud of authoring the "Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom" in Virginia that he had this fact etched on his tombstone. The bill ended the practice of paying the clergy with public funds because "to compel a man to furnish … money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." Jefferson believed that religion was a completely private matter and fought for a "wall of separation between church and state." He was "against all maneuvers to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another"; and he swore "eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." What would he think of today's faith-based initiatives, which allocate public funds to religious organizations, and the attempts by religious lobbyists and elected officials to dictate public policy based on their faith?

Because we possess rights, governments are instituted. Wise government, explains Jefferson, "shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned." Government acts only to protect us from acts of force or fraud, apprehending perpetrators who pick our pockets or break our legs; otherwise, it does not regulate or control our lives in any way. Jefferson was "for a government rigorously frugal and simple … and not for a multiplication of officers and salaries merely to make partisans … " What would he think of the 150,000-page Code of Federal Regulations and the swarms of agencies, commissions, and departments that today swallow 40 percent of our national income?

Jefferson believed citizens to be capable of self-sufficiency because they possess reason. "Fix reason firmly to her seat and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion." He expected people to use their minds to overcome obstacles and control their own lives. He gently chastised his 15 year-old daughter when she had difficulty reading an ancient text on Roman history without the aid of her teacher. "If you always lean on your master, you will never be able to proceed without him. It is part of the American character to consider nothing as desperate—to surmount every difficulty … " Americans, he continued, "are obliged to invent and to execute; to find the means within ourselves, and not to lean on others." To do otherwise, his daughter would be "thought a very helpless animal, and less esteemed." What would he think of today's entitlement programs, which destroy a person's capacity to think and act for himself, and transform him into a helpless dependent?

Within a mere page in the calendar of history, the powerful doctrine of individual rights led to the abolition of slavery, the suffrage of women, and the spread of freedom to many countries around the globe. It all began with the founding of America. Jefferson fought for a country in which the government had no power to encroach on the mind, the life, the liberty, or the property of the individual. He fought for a country in which the individual was unshackled for the first time in history and could live for the pursuit of his own happiness, instead of being a pawn in the hands of the state. The way to pay tribute to Jefferson—and to ourselves—is to protest the hammering of our rights by officials who can't tell a diamond from a rhinestone, to hold dear the jewel that is America, to polish the ideals for which Jefferson in the Declaration pledged his life, his fortune, and his sacred honor.

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My favorite quote:

"I have sworn upon the alter of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. "
Thomas Jefferson
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Re: New taser video for you Alex! Woman was just stood there!
« Reply #76 on: April 26, 2008, 09:47:12 PM »
"Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe depositories."
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« Reply #77 on: April 26, 2008, 09:47:55 PM »
"Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."
Thomas Jefferson

"Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day."
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Re: New taser video for you Alex! Woman was just stood there!
« Reply #78 on: April 26, 2008, 10:03:32 PM »
What I don't get is why he didn't wait for backup and then two men could handcuff her.  Why tase her?

Now if she would have jumped in her car and try to flee you could see that he might T-her.

It would have only taken a few more minutes before others arrived to arrest her without being stunned.

Very dangerous...she could have died.


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Re: New taser video for you Alex! Woman was just stood there!
« Reply #79 on: April 26, 2008, 10:16:05 PM »
If they absolutely had to have a new toy, why couldn't these brilliant geniuses have come up with a tranquilizing gun? 
http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/html/news/2005/050518_chandigarh.htm

Chandigarh, 18 May, 2005: A gun will fire at the Chhatbir zoo tomorrow. Only, this gun will demonstrate the process of tranquilizing a wild animal to a group of Forest and Wildlife officials from Punjab.

A two day training program on the use of tranquilizing equipment begins tomorrow at the Chhatbir Zoo, Chandigarh. The training is organized by the Punjab Forest Department with support from the Wildlife Trust of India (WTI).

 
A closer view of the tranquilizing equipment:






The curriculum specially designed by WTI, will orient the participants on various aspects of chemical capture of wild animals, such as the use of equipments available for drug immobilization, drugs available for chemical restraint, remote injection delivery systems and the choice and dosages of drugs for immobilization of various species.

Twenty officials from the Punjab Forests and Wildlife Department and ten veterinary doctors from the Animal Husbandry Department of Punjab are expected to participate in the training program. Officials from the Forests and Wildlife Department include DFO, Wildlife Inspector, Dy. DFO, Range Officers and Forests and Wildlife Guards.

The three-member team from WTI is led by Dr. NVK Ashraf, Director of Wild Rescue programme. Dr. Bhaskar Choudhury, Veterinary Surgeon and Dr. Prajna Paramita Panda, Program Officer, will participate in the training program as resource persons.

According to Dr. Ashraf, “The training will primarily focus on chemical capture and restraint of wild mammals. Three categories of mammals have been identified for the purpose, primates, antelopes and carnivores.”

Punjab is home to a large number of wild animals such as black buck, leopard, jungle cat, nilgai and rhesus macaques.  Adequate protection for wild animals and forest conservation has become highest priority in recent years, in view of the rapid urbanization and frequent human-animal conflicts in the state.

According to Bhaskar Choudhary, “The present training is aimed at enhancing their technical expertise so that they are capable of handling such problems in future. Tranquilizing techniques will basically help in transporting the wild animals from conflict sites to safer areas. These are particularly important in areas adjoining wildlife sanctuaries and national parks, where the chances of such incidents are higher.”

Remote injection delivery system is a unique method of administering drugs on wild animals and is increasingly becoming popular in India. It requires proper training and skill for effectively employing it on the subjects. Moreover, equipments and drugs used for wild animals are not commonly available in the markets.

A file picture of the rescue team that tranquilized a tiger outside KNP. At the extreme right is Dr. Bhaskar Choudhury 
The Wild Rescue division of WTI has the expertise and experience of handling such drugs and equipments. The two pioneering projects of WTI in the northeast, CWRC in Kaziranga, Assam and CBRC in Pakke Arunachal Pradesh, are dedicated for rescue and rehabilitation of distressed wild animals of the region.



WTI hopes that the present training program in Punjab will not only benefit the forests and wildlife officials with the expertise of WTI for relief and rescue operations, but also bring help and reprieve to wild animals of the region.

 




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