IS PROJECT BLUEBEAM UNFOLDING, AS PLANNED?

[chris jones]

I am going to search this, in the mean time any written info on this project would help me out.( my computer and internett system are very slow)
Because it is basically a deceptive approach at control it sounds like our Skull and Bones gang at work. But the actual success of such a project would amaze me.
Ya know folks what realy offends me is that the money spent ,on the scientific minds, the technicians, the materials and transport of our great Military machine, not to mention the graft involved is in the trillions. Have you ever considered what we as a people united for the betterment of living on this planet could do with this fortune. Allow me dream for a moment, hospitol care, pharmacuticals that don't eat up you paycheck. Schools, institutes of learning that truly educate, not play it. Alternatives to oil, eliminating the electrical power sources that monopolize the population. Expansion of industry in areas that are considered wastelands and in this nation where each worker shares in % of profit, not a minimum wage. The medical industry returned to the human industry of healing, rather than the buck.
Keep our military thats necessary for defense , we have made a list of enemys that goes around the block and back again, but not waste it on nukes that could blow up this planet 3 times over.
Its nice to dream at times, and it could be along those lines.
Would not this all depend on the people having a say in the government. Pardon my dream, but lets try to make a change for the coming generations as our forefathers did for us.

[Red7Paladin]

LOL.  I know.  shshshshshshsh!

Personally, I see nothing un-biblical about the idea, (3 Earth ages).  It would certainly explain Nephilim, the construction of the pyramids, pagan mythology and the 'men of reknown', etc.  And what is really interesting is parts of the book of Enoch where it talks about the Nephilim and their horrific practices with animals - and then you look at  so many of the ancient Egyptian gods who were  predominantly half-man/half-animal. Just seems like an odd coincidence.   What started me thinking was the whole "Cain" issue, where he is banished from mom and pop.  But then 'who' would kill him?  And who would he marry if it's just him, Adam and Eve?

 

Some say that there are at least two different creations of man

Genesis 1
27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 2
1: Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2: And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3: And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4: These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
5: And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

It's possible that the Adam ['adam - man] "to till the ground" may have been made after the seventh day.

[White Rose Sophie]

Some say that there are at least two different creations of man

Genesis 1
27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 2
1: Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2: And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3: And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4: These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
5: And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

It's possible that the Adam ['adam - man] "to till the ground" may have been made after the seventh day.

I know. I've already posted some thoughts on it. For instance, in Genesis 2:8 - it says that GOD planted the garden in Eden....and there he put the man whom he had formed.
But in Genesis 1:27 (as you posted) he created male and female...then in verse 28, he told them to be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth.  So - HE made them (male and female) THEN decided to plonk them down in Eden later, after HE made it?

I know I'm speaking heresy here, and fully expect to be chastised immediately....but it just makes sense (the 2 creation events) given the passages about Cain.  If you then consider that ADAM was created specifically to be the hereditary line from which the Savior would come...a lot of Old Testament stuff makes sense, especially about the flood and only Noah and his family surviving.  (to continue the uncorrupted DNA line from which Jesus would be born).  The others having been genetically polluted by the Nephilim 'spreading their seed' amongst human women.

Anyway, what I think is interesting in conjunction with this thread (Blue Beam) is what was posted earlier about the NWO's plan of "astonishing NEW archeological discoveries" which would 'correct' history as far as the world religions, etc are concerned.  And how convenient that they are NOW in possession of Iraq (ancient Sumer) which most consider the 'cradle of civilization'. What better place to 'find' astonishing NEW archeological discoveries concerning the origin of MAN?

Most interesting.  Of course, I'm  not a trained theologian or eminent archeologist, so I'm sure I'm way off base, but it is intriguing to ponder, is it not?   

[Femacamper]

To fill in for Cold Fusion, whom I sure would have set you straight by now, here it is:

THE REAL EXPLANATION

Are there differences in the inspired narratives of Genesis 1 and 2? Of course there are. But differences do not necessarily imply contradictions, much less multiple authorship. The real question is this: Is there a purpose to these variations? Indeed there is. Furthermore, there are a number of factors that militate against the notion that Genesis 1 and 2 are independent and contradictory accounts of the creation.

First, careful analysis reveals that there is deliberate purpose in the individuality of these two sections of Scripture. In Genesis 1 there is a broad outline of the events of the creation week, which reaches its climax with the origin of mankind in the very image of God. In Genesis 2 there is the special emphasis upon man, the divine preparation of his home, the formation of a suitable mate, etc. Edward J. Young has a good statement of this matter:

    There are different emphases in the two chapters...but the reason for these is obvious. Chapter 1 continues the narrative of creation until the climax, namely, man made in the image and likeness of God. To prepare the way for the account of the fall, chapter 2 gives certain added details about man’s original condition, which would have been incongruous and out of place in the grand, declarative march of chapter 1 (1960, p. 53).

This type of procedure was not unknown in the literary methodology of antiquity. Gleason Archer observed that the “technique of recapitulation was widely practiced in ancient Semitic literature. The author would first introduce his account with a short statement summarizing the whole transaction, and then he would follow it up with a more detailed and circumstantial account when dealing with matters of special importance” (1964, p. 118). These respective sections have a different literary motif. Genesis 1 is chronological, revealing the sequential events of the creation week, whereas Genesis 2 is topical, with special concern for man and his environment. [This procedure is not unknown elsewhere in biblical literature. Matthew’s account of the ministry of Christ is more topical, while Mark’s record is more chronological.]

Second, there is clear evidence that Genesis 2 was never an independent creation account. There are simply too many crucial elements missing for that to have been the case. For instance, there is no mention in Genesis 2 of the creation of the Earth, and there is no reference to the oceans or fish. There is no allusion to the Sun, Moon, and stars, etc. Archer has pointed out that there is not an origins record in the entire literature collection of the ancient Near East that omits discussing the creation of the Sun, Moon, seas, etc. (1982, p. 69). Obviously, Genesis 2 is a sequel to chapter 1. The latter presupposes the former and is built upon it.

Even Howard Johnston, who was (at least in part) sympathetic to the Documentary Hypothesis, conceded:

    The initial chapter [Genesis 1] gives a general account of the creation. The second chapter is generally declared by critics to be a second account of the creation, but, considered in the light of the general plan, that is not an accurate statement. Evidently the purpose of this chapter is to show that out of all the creation we have especially to do with man. Therefore only so much of the general account is repeated as is involved in a more detailed statement concerning the creation of man. There is a marked difference of style in the two accounts, but the record is consistent with the plan to narrow down the story to man (1902, p. 90).

The following summary statement by Kenneth Kitchen is worthy of notice:

    It is often claimed that Genesis 1 and 2 contain two different creation-narratives. In point of fact, however, the strictly complementary nature of the “two” accounts is plain enough: Genesis 1 mentions the creation of man as the last of a series, and without any details, whereas in Genesis 2 man is the centre of interest and more specific details are given about him and his setting. There is no incompatible duplication here at all. Failure to recognize the complementary nature of the subject-distinction between a skeleton outline of all creation on the one hand, and the concentration in detail on man and his immediate environment on the other, borders on obscurantism (1966, pp. 116-117, emp. in orig.).

CONCLUSION

One final but forceful point should be made. In Matthew 19:4-5, the Lord Jesus combined quotations from Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. He declared: “He who made them from the beginning made them male and female [1:26], and said, For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh [2:24].” If the liberal viewpoint is true, how very strange that Christ should have given not the slightest hint that the two accounts involved a multiple authorship and contradictory material! Obviously, the Son of God did not endorse the modern Documentary Hypothesis.

When the texts of Genesis 1 and 2 have been considered carefully, one thing is clear: an objective evaluation reveals no discrepancies, nor is a dual authorship to be inferred. Devout students of the Bible should not be disturbed by the fanciful, ever-changing theories of the liberal critics. It is wise to remember that the Word of God was not written for the benefit of “scholars,” but for the common person. The Scriptures assume that the average person is able to understand the message and to know that the source is divine.

[White Rose Sophie]

To fill in for Cold Fusion, whom I sure would have set you straight by now, here it is:

THE REAL EXPLANATION

Are there differences in the inspired narratives of Genesis 1 and 2? Of course there are. But differences do not necessarily imply contradictions, much less multiple authorship. The real question is this: Is there a purpose to these variations? Indeed there is. Furthermore, there are a number of factors that militate against the notion that Genesis 1 and 2 are independent and contradictory accounts of the creation.


This type of procedure was not unknown in the literary methodology of antiquity. Gleason Archer observed that the “technique of recapitulation was widely practiced in ancient Semitic literature. The author would first introduce his account with a short statement summarizing the whole transaction, and then he would follow it up with a more detailed and circumstantial account when dealing with matters of special importance” (1964, p. 118). These respective sections have a different literary motif. Genesis 1 is chronological, revealing the sequential events of the creation week, whereas Genesis 2 is topical, with special concern for man and his environment. [This procedure is not unknown elsewhere in biblical literature. Matthew’s account of the ministry of Christ is more topical, while Mark’s record is more chronological.]

Second, there is clear evidence that Genesis 2 was never an independent creation account. There are simply too many crucial elements missing for that to have been the case. For instance, there is no mention in Genesis 2 of the creation of the Earth, and there is no reference to the oceans or fish. There is no allusion to the Sun, Moon, and stars, etc. Archer has pointed out that there is not an origins record in the entire literature collection of the ancient Near East that omits discussing the creation of the Sun, Moon, seas, etc. (1982, p. 69). Obviously, Genesis 2 is a sequel to chapter 1. The latter presupposes the former and is built upon it.

 
The following summary statement by Kenneth Kitchen is worthy of notice:

    It is often claimed that Genesis 1 and 2 contain two different creation-narratives. In point of fact, however, the strictly complementary nature of the “two” accounts is plain enough: Genesis 1 mentions the creation of man as the last of a series, and without any details, whereas in Genesis 2 man is the centre of interest and more specific details are given about him and his setting. There is no incompatible duplication here at all. Failure to recognize the complementary nature of the subject-distinction between a skeleton outline of all creation on the one hand, and the concentration in detail on man and his immediate environment on the other, borders on obscurantism (1966, pp. 116-117, emp. in orig.).

CONCLUSION

One final but forceful point should be made. In Matthew 19:4-5, the Lord Jesus combined quotations from Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. He declared: “He who made them from the beginning made them male and female [1:26], and said, For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh [2:24].” If the liberal viewpoint is true, how very strange that Christ should have given not the slightest hint that the two accounts involved a multiple authorship and contradictory material!

When the texts of Genesis 1 and 2 have been considered carefully, one thing is clear: an objective evaluation reveals no discrepancies, nor is a dual authorship to be inferred. Devout students of the Bible should not be disturbed by the fanciful, ever-changing theories of the liberal critics. It is wise to remember that the Word of God was not written for the benefit of “scholars,” but for the common person. The Scriptures assume that the average person is able to understand the message and to know that the source is divine.

Hi Fema!!!  I just KNEW someone would drop in and answer my ponderings!   

Ok my friend, a few more questions for you.

For instance, there is no mention in Genesis 2 of the creation of the Earth, and there is no reference to the oceans or fish. There is no allusion to the Sun, Moon, and stars, etc. Archer has pointed out that there is not an origins record in the entire literature collection of the ancient Near East that omits discussing the creation of the Sun, Moon, seas, etc. (1982, p. 69).

I was not saying there was 2 separate "CREATION" events for the entire earth...just the creation of MAN. There would be no need for the author of Genesis 2 to describe the creation of Sun, Moon, Stars, etc if the creation of Adam and Eve (and the garden of Eden) was an event occurring AFTER the  events of Genesis chapter 1 (which already included the Earth, the heavens, the oceans, etc. (Not to mention the 'male and female' created HE them). 

He declared: “He who made them from the beginning made them male and female [1:26], and said, For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh [2:24].

Yes, Jesus was quoting Genesis chapter 1 and 2, but this was in answer to a question posed to him by the Pharisees about 'putting away a wife" (divorce), and THAT was his answer to them - from scripture. He answers with scripture in its CONTEXT.  And that is the truth - that GOD created both male and female for the purpose of both 'becoming one' (for the continuity of the human race.) That would be true whether there was 1 creation 'EVENT' or 2 separate ones.

No one can answer the "Cain' dilemma satisfactorily for me.  And in Genesis Chapter 5 - (it's called the "decendants of Adam" in my KJV)...... the geneology continues from Adam to Seth, etc. etc.  But the geneology of Cain ends in Genesis chapter 4 verse 24...and then verse 25:

"And Adam knew his wife again, and she bare a son, and called his name Seth.  For GOD, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, who Cain slew." 

So WHO were the people who would have wanted to slay Cain, and WHO would he have married?  That is my question, and the only answer that seems logical would be the 2 events of creation for MAN.

I'm not saying this is the truth, it's just something that puzzles me and if there were 2 creation events for Mankind - why would that be a problem?  There are many proponents of a  pre-tribulation 'rapture'..something which certainly is not explicitly stated in scripture and can only be 'interpreted'  to mean that.   Why would this be any different? This does not mean 'contradictory' at all - more than anything else it would certainly explain a lot of things to me about GOD'S purposes in HIS actions.  HE doesn't need to explain anything to me, of course - it would just make sense. I don't just think the BIBLE is merely GOD'S WORD, but it's also HIS blueprint for MANKIND, so naturally it would concern itself primarily with the history and genetic/prophetic implications of Jesus as HIS son and instrument of eternal life for all peoples. And THEREFORE focus on the bloodline of Jesus from Adam.......... 
 
I'm probably way out in left field, but until someone can give me a logical answer to the Cain dilemma, I'm still not going to rule it out.

BAN the HERETIC!   

[Kilika]

"So WHO were the people who would have wanted to slay Cain, and WHO would he have married?  That is my question, and the only answer that seems logical would be the 2 events of creation for MAN."

Hey grneyelady,

I feel your pain! It seems to me that, yes, there were 2 "creations". But I offer that the creation of Adam was one of many creations, but his particular creation reason was purely to establish lineage, and to fulfill God's law and promises made initially to a certain group of people, Adam's decendents, then to the rest of creation (Jews and Gentiles).

It seems there were many creations of mankind, but Adam's was unique and documented in the Bible to establish God's law. That's the task assigned to this particular human. You might say that Adam could have been anyone, but it happened that God decided it would start with a human male He created and named Adam. The royal bloodline of Jesus had to start with somebody.

The "others" had to be other humans that God created to get everything kickstarted for mankind to be "fruitful and multiply". How many humans did God start off with? Don't know and don't care to venture a guess, but I do feel there may well have been many "Adams" created, thereby establishing not only the bloodline of Jesus, but many other bloodlines.

Who mated with these new humans? Obviously other new humans. While the growth of population would be very slow early on, it would gain momentum in time. Were there other entities that mated with these new humans? Again, don't know. I do know the Bible says all things are possible with God. Sounds logical to me, though I question if it's really edifying or expedient to spend much time on these details, as it tends to cause such a high rate of distraction from the main story.

That fact is we are here, so now what?

[37]

Why don't you guys take this conversation back to the Temple Mount?  You have thoroughly hijacked the thread with this BS.  What do the last few posts have to do with a holographic projection in the sky?

Did you not like where the thread was going...

I feel like we've been hit by the "bury brigade"...

I'm just glad cold fusion hasn't shown up, or this thread would be completely destroyed.

You aren't even discussing rapture(which was mentioned in Biggs' original posts)...you're at the other end of the fricking timeline...  Creation?  Cain?  WTF does that have to do with Bluebeam?

[Femacamper]

Why don't you guys take this conversation back to the Temple Mount?  You have thoroughly hijacked the thread with this BS.  What do the last few posts have to do with a holographic projection in the sky?

Did you not like where the thread was going...

I feel like we've been hit by the "bury brigade"...

I'm just glad cold fusion hasn't shown up, or this thread would be completely destroyed.

You aren't even discussing rapture(which was mentioned in Biggs' original posts)...you're at the other end of the fricking timeline...  Creation?  Cain?  WTF does that have to do with Bluebeam?

Agreed, this is going totally off-topic. New thread here:
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=32317.0

I've suggested to the moderators of this thread to split the posts in this thread into the relevant topics.

[Biggs]

I am going to search this, in the mean time any written info on this project would help me out.( my computer and internett system are very slow)
Because it is basically a deceptive approach at control it sounds like our Skull and Bones gang at work. But the actual success of such a project would amaze me.
Ya know folks what realy offends me is that the money spent ,on the scientific minds, the technicians, the materials and transport of our great Military machine, not to mention the graft involved is in the trillions. Have you ever considered what we as a people united for the betterment of living on this planet could do with this fortune. Allow me dream for a moment, hospitol care, pharmacuticals that don't eat up you paycheck. Schools, institutes of learning that truly educate, not play it. Alternatives to oil, eliminating the electrical power sources that monopolize the population. Expansion of industry in areas that are considered wastelands and in this nation where each worker shares in % of profit, not a minimum wage. The medical industry returned to the human industry of healing, rather than the buck.
Keep our military thats necessary for defense , we have made a list of enemys that goes around the block and back again, but not waste it on nukes that could blow up this planet 3 times over.
Its nice to dream at times, and it could be along those lines.
Would not this all depend on the people having a say in the government. Pardon my dream, but lets try to make a change for the coming generations as our forefathers did for us.

a fine dream it is and much like mine, power to the people (starting with truth)

[onehundredmonkeys]

The main goal for PBB is disinfo so,
KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE BALL!
(imho: this topic is growing too much and distracts from REAL important matters)

[White Rose Sophie]

Why don't you guys take this conversation back to the Temple Mount?  You have thoroughly hijacked the thread with this BS.  What do the last few posts have to do with a holographic projection in the sky?

Did you not like where the thread was going...

I feel like we've been hit by the "bury brigade"...

I'm just glad cold fusion hasn't shown up, or this thread would be completely destroyed.

You aren't even discussing rapture(which was mentioned in Biggs' original posts)...you're at the other end of the fricking timeline...  Creation?  Cain?  WTF does that have to do with Bluebeam?

Quite right actually, and I apologize. I think it started meandering with the whole "Iraq" and new 'archeological' discoveries thing and how that would be 'spinned'.  And then I got off on my tangent.     Sorry.

[37]

Agreed, this is going totally off-topic. New thread here:
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=32317.0

I've suggested to the moderators of this thread to split the posts in this thread into the relevant topics.

Thanks, Fema.  I apologize for sounding like a prick.  I have just been trying to understand everyone's fascination with 2012, and came across what looks like classic CIA Psyop, and they allude to what Biggs has pointed out.  I'd love to have a little input on that. 

Did any of you watch those videos?

Surviving 2012 and Planet X

Surviving 2012 and Planet X - Part 1 of 5: The Threat (Be Afraid!!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S0bj76389U

Surviving 2012 and Planet X - Part 2 of 5: Scientific Proof  (Without Scientists)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjjrStDxTrc&feature=related

Surviving 2012 and Planet X - Part 3 of 5: Historical Proof   (Sourceless Translations of Ancient Text)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5TOmRD_V48&feature=related

Surviving 2012 and Planet X - Part 4 of 5: Surviving (Submit for the greater good)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNZIyfBChmA&feature=related

Surviving 2012 and Planet X - Part 5 of 5: Beyond 2012 (The Socialist Dream Realized)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zero0Y6TCA8&feature=related


I don't want you guys to go away...I want your input.  Watch parts 4 & 5.  Ask yourself why the History Channel treats 9/11 Truth as a "conspiracy theory" but then shovels 2012 down our throats.  I think it is obvious the Endgame will enter it's final phase around that time.  And however that plays out, whichever deception they choose, their plans for afterwards don't seem to include Christianity as we know it.

Look into Bahai or Share International...these are the religions the globalists like.(Besides Luciferian)

Look at the future envisioned by ex-CNN producer Marshall Masters and tell me it isn't a Socialist/Earth Worship vision.  Is that the real message of 2012...afterwards things will be different? 






No need to apologize...lets just get back on topic.  I find it interesting, and I'm taking a break from "REAL matters" this weekend.  Real matters are depressing on all fronts...I'd rather think about crackpot theories and imminent doom.  Real life is becoming more than I can bear to look at...

[Biggs]

if you want some off the wall stuff that is still anti-NWO then there are some good David Wilcock videos on google

this one is pretty good
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4951448613711060908

[Red7Paladin]

37, I watched parts 1-4.  It's clear and blatant propaganda.  The first part has the most views with 170,000+.  Are you so concerned about this because you think it might be possible? 

One part is kind of silly.  As far as I know, the entire world did not undergo a cataclysm during the time of the Exodus from Egypt.  The disasters were pretty much centered around the Mediterranean.

[White Rose Sophie]

37, I watched parts 1-4.  It's clear and blatant propaganda.  The first part has the most views with 170,000+.  Are you so concerned about this because you think it might be possible? 

One part is kind of silly.  As far as I know, the entire world did not undergo a cataclysm during the time of the Exodus from Egypt.  The disasters were pretty much centered around the Mediterranean.

I haven't watched it yet - (my puter is REALLY slow) but does he use references from Graham Hancock's Fingerprints of the GODS or anything?  Where he speculates that the earthquake of Thera is what caused the "Sea of Reeds" to part for the Exodus.  His references to Ahkenaten's practice of monotheism are quite interesting.   

[Red7Paladin]

I haven't watched it yet - (my puter is REALLY slow) but does he use references from Graham Hancock's Fingerprints of the GODS or anything?  Where he speculates that the earthquake of Thera is what caused the "Sea of Reeds" to part for the Exodus.  His references to Ahkenaten's practice of monotheism are quite interesting.   

The 2012 doc doesn't go into that much detail on the subject.  By the way, the Red Sea is actually Yam Sof in Hebrew, the "End Sea".  It is more likely to be located in the Gulf of Aqaba. 

See  http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=18694.msg69683#msg69683 

If you want to discuss the matter further, I suppose you'd better PM me, so we don't derail the thread again.

[own]

If people ever buy into this faked invasion/2nd Christ-Mohammed etc coming, by God, maybe they really are worthy of being culled.

[Jackson Holly]

OWN:

If people ever buy into this faked invasion/2nd Christ-Mohammed etc coming, by God, maybe they really are worthy of being culled.

People the world over are dazed and confused. The technology is such that it is hard to tell reality from 'make believe'. Truth is, are we really sure at all about the 'reality' of the past - about history? Perhaps it is all a construct from those in control in centuries past - especially the 'religious' history.

If the media says it is true - then it is true.

[37]

If people ever buy into this faked invasion/2nd Christ-Mohammed etc coming, by God, maybe they really are worthy of being culled.

Have had that thought.  But, they mostly buy into the official story of 9/11, many of them believed Oswald acted alone, they believed the obvious bullshit before Iraq.

I think people, at least Americans, will believe anything they hear over both the radio and television.  I don't think you need holograms to fake an alien invasion.  Jam all airwaves, and leave people with just cable television for info.  Nuke several cities, New York specifically because that would shut down almost all of America's internet...Show saucers firing a beam and then the mushroom cloud on the news.  No one leaves the fricking house until they run out of food.  Within days, though, the military is everywhere. 

Without radio, or the internet, people will believe whatever the talking head says...especially if he has pictures to back it up.  Most people would think, "It's gotta be real, these guys have doubted UFO's for 60 years, now they're talking about them!"

I don't think there is destruction, or a great awakening coming in 2012.  There are so many globalist projects set to complete before 2012, and they have made this a "termination" date with their propaganda machine(in the minds of the people).  I think it is a distraction, of sorts, something attractive to look at, it also prepares people for the idea of seeing a military crackdown.  Plant the seed.  Plus, if something happened and martial law went into effect, wouldn't there be a bunch of people thinking "They're doing this to get everyone in place for Nibiru."

Last night I watched the sunset.  It was cloudy to the west.  The sun was very red, and I was looking through a heavily tinted window...no companion.  What I find interesting is Masters' vision of the post Planet X world.  It looks a lot like the world Alex describes the elite wanting.  It's a colorful way of selling and even rationalizing population reduction.  "If something would come along and thin us out, we could all live like kings..."  Then in 2012, when nothing happens, people allow the government to take the population problem into their own hands.

That's what I think about Blubeam, Planet X, Alien Invasion, 2012, etc.  It is propaganda.  Much of it makes money for those perpetuating it.  But, they all seem to describe the same shit.  Man is flawed and it is going to take a HUGE effort to fix him...it would be easier if there were less of him.  Worthless feeders.  Here is some more psuedo-science selling destruction followed by a better mankind... http://www.barry.warmkessel.com/barry/2000Paper.html

Mother Shipton
In nineteen hundred and twenty six
Build houses light of straw and sticks.
For then shall mighty wars be planned
And fire and sword shall sweep the land.

When pictures seem alive with movements free
When boats like fishes swim beneath the sea,
When men like birds shall scour the sky
Then half the world, deep drenched in blood shall die.

For those who live the century through
In fear and trembling this shall do.
Flee to the mountains and the dens
To bog and forest and wild fens.

For storms will rage and oceans roar
When Gabriel stands on sea and shore
And as he blows his wondrous horn
Old worlds die and new be born.

A fiery dragon will cross the sky
Six times before this earth shall die
Mankind will tremble and frightened be
for the sixth heralds in this prophecy.

For seven days and seven nights
Man will watch this awesome sight.
The tides will rise beyond their ken
To bite away the shores and then
The mountains will begin to roar
And earthquakes split the plain to shore.

And flooding waters, rushing in
Will flood the lands with such a din
That mankind cowers in muddy fen
And snarls about his fellow men.

He bares his teeth and fights and kills
And secrets food in secret hills
And ugly in his fear, he lies
To kill marauders, thieves and spies.

Man flees in terror from the floods
And kills, and rapes and lies in blood
And spilling blood by mankinds hands
Will stain and bitter many lands

And when the dragon's tail is gone,
Man forgets, and smiles, and carries on
To apply himself - too late, too late
For mankind has earned deserved fate.

His masked smile - his false grandeur,
Will serve the Gods their anger stir.
And they will send the Dragon back
To light the sky - his tail will crack
Upon the earth and rend the earth
And man shall flee, King, Lord, and serf.

But slowly they are routed out
To seek diminishing water spout
And men will die of thirst before
The oceans rise to mount the shore.

And lands will crack and rend anew
You think it strange. It will come true.

And in some far off distant land
Some men - oh such a tiny band
Will have to leave their solid mount
And span the earth, those few to count,
Who survives this (unreadable) and then
Begin the human race again.

But not on land already there
But on ocean beds, stark, dry and bare
Not every soul on Earth will die
As the Dragons tail goes sweeping by.

Not every land on earth will sink
But these will wallow in stench and stink
Of rotting bodies of beast and man
Of vegetation crisped on land.

But the land that rises from the sea
Will be dry and clean and soft and free
Of mankinds dirt and therefore be
The source of man's new dynasty.

http://www.crystalinks.com/shipton.html

[Red7Paladin]

37, I agree that a fake alien invasion could be implemented with little difficulty.  But, given what I know the Bible teaches about the Nephilim, there may actually be some reality to it as well. 

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=30306.0

Do you think William (Bill) Cooper was lying or mistaken when he said he saw a huge flying disc emerge from the ocean when he was stationed on a navy ship?  See The Legacy of William Cooper on Google Video.

[whatistruth]

37, I agree that a fake alien invasion could be implemented with little difficulty.  But, given what I know the Bible teaches about the Nephilim, there may actually be some reality to it as well. 

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=30306.0

Do you think William (Bill) Cooper was lying or mistaken when he said he saw a huge flying disc emerge from the ocean when he was stationed on a navy ship?  See The Legacy of William Cooper on Google Video.

So much of what he said was just complete shit.
He claims the driver shot kennaday.

See when someone says something so blatently misleading or wrong as that, i just disreguard all the other things they say.

[Femacamper]

So much of what he said was just complete shit.
He claims the driver shot kennaday.

See when someone says something so blatently misleading or wrong as that, i just disreguard all the other things they say.

I heard about missing frames in that footage, and I wonder how credible the driver theory is...

At any rate, the main point is, we all know JFK was assassinated by the government.

Cooper had some good points here or there, but he liked to stir up dissension in the truth movement.

[Biggs]

So much of what he said was just complete shit.
He claims the driver shot kennaday.

See when someone says something so blatently misleading or wrong as that, i just disreguard all the other things they say.

I have seen footage of the driver shooting kennedy, cannot say for sure it was real but his head does snap back at exactly the right time.

[37]

I have seen footage of the driver shooting kennedy, cannot say for sure it was real but his head does snap back at exactly the right time.

The driver turned around and hit the gas after seeing JFK's head explode.  The Secret Service agent barely gets on the car, but had no trouble running up to it.

Cooper said some good things.  But, he also said some stuff that was ridiculous...like David Icke.

I don't know if he was lying about seeing a disk go from water to air.  But, I have no doubt that men are capable of building one.  UFO's have never convinced me that they were anything other than advanced, man-made technology. 

Look at what "they" are shovelling...

Aliens will come and make us better
Ascended Masters will come and make us better
Cataclysm will come and make us better

They will make us share.  They will end hunger, they will save us from ourselves.  Things that believers in these ideas agree upon for the future:

New, more compassionate spirituality
Realization we are all one
socialist societal structure
and
LESS PEOPLE!!

What is frightening is that a high percentage of the "sleepers" believe we must have less people.  And, without "something" happening(Nibiru, alien invasion, WWIII, revelations, etc...), what will they be willing to accept?  I have a friend who said something I hadn't heard or thought in a long time.  "We need wars and disease to keep the population down...without them the world would already be overpopulated."  He could say the same thing about abortion. 

People are already willing to accept horrible things in the interest of avoiding overpopulation.  A growing number of them believe that religion is archaic and wrong...  Many of them believe that Al Gore is right about GW and we need a worldwide change.

One Religion
One Government
One Money

One group leading all the rest...for their own good.

"I don't agree with that.  Who elected these guys to rule the planet?"

[superfender]

I remember (back when I myself believed an was obsessed with UFO's and aliens) on some UFO tv program, there were giant lit-up crosses in the sky in Jerusalem and in other areas (I think).  I'm a Christian, but it seems suspicious.....

[White Rose Sophie]

37, I agree that a fake alien invasion could be implemented with little difficulty.  But, given what I know the Bible teaches about the Nephilim, there may actually be some reality to it as well. 

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=30306.0

I agree.  We've had too much conditioning by Hollywood for too long for them NOT to use it.  Think about it - how many 'alien' movies have there been for the last 50 years?

Whether they 'create' the alien invasion themselves..or have help from the "Nefarious Nephilim", I think the odds are pretty good that they have SOMETHING in store for us.

[Amishism]

They have their own channel, Sci-fi

[Red7Paladin]

So much of what he said was just complete shit.
He claims the driver shot kennaday.

See when someone says something so blatently misleading or wrong as that, i just disreguard all the other things they say.

I'm not a Cooper disciple.  I'm sure he was wrong about a few things.  I've certainly been wrong before.  Has any human ever been right about everything?

[Red7Paladin]

37, All I'm saying is that we should be aware that the fake alien contact/invasion scenario may very well be used by the New World Order in the near future.  Whether or not flying disc technology has been developed independently on earth by human science and engineering alone, I do not know.  If there are actually any real aliens, I believe they are what the Bible refers to as the Nephilim (fallen ones), fallen angels (celestials) who are extra-dimensional beings and not primarily biological entities.

[White Rose Sophie]

I'm not a Cooper disciple.  I'm sure he was wrong about a few things.  I've certainly been wrong before.  Has any human ever been right about everything?

Only one that I know of.   

[Red7Paladin]

Only one that I know of.   

Right.  But Yahshua HaMashiach was more than human.

[70983]

Look into Bahai or Share International...these are the religions the globalists like.(Besides Luciferian)

Thats why i dont trust the diclosure project...Steven Greer is a Ba'hai

[70983]

Amazon.com

 The Great Deception ? , July 18, 2006
By  Peter M. Winskill - See all my reviews
     

This book is a mixed bag. The writer apologizes at the beginning for the lack of editing - it certainly needs to be cut down by a hundred pages or so because Greer tends to waffle on and a competent editor could have put this material into categories instead of endless pages of Greer's random thoughts.
Having said that, there is some riveting material here. How Greer came to be in the UFO field in the first place, how his boyhood sightings and extraordinary experiences set him on the path to the Disclosure Project. How he took up TM and evolved his own meditation techniques; and how he spent three years at the Bahai HQ in Jaffa, Israel. Some of the most extraordinary descriptions are of encounters with huge ships which appear when he goes into meditation in remote places, often in the company of others who experience the same encounter. He tells how in England, at one of the newly created crop circles, one of the party he was with started to freak out and the ship simply backed away.
Greer is obviously a remarkable, talented and courageous individual and he makes an excellent job of convincing me that we do indeed stand on the threshold of a new era. He lists some of his contacts, including the CIA Director, officials around President Clinton and late Laurence Rockefeller. Some of this material has been taken from his earlier books and given a personal spin and they stand as a testament to Greer's amazing ability to tap into top military/defence/corporate sources over the years some of which defies a normal explanation. Greer's thesis that there is a shadow government made up of corporate entities and government and corporate personnel, excluding the US president, is only too convincing.
He lists some of the shadow technology which this rogue group is keeping under wraps, most of it to do with free energy systems, saucer technology; others to do with technology which interfaces with consciousness. He explains how no one, nowhere on the planet, can evade the probes of this technology ! He gives his own hair raising experiences on the receiving end of psychotronic devices which access the astral plane (or dream plane) which I would suspect would drive most people insane. Greer is made of strong stuff and is able to rise above these attacks due to his spiritual attainment and knowledge. He also details how the military reacts to the ET factor, usually in a hostile mode with EM weapons.
What bothers me are the "waffle" parts of the book - and there are a lot of these - where Greer seems to go into free flow, stream of thought mode and, oh dear, does this need an editor ! Into this mix, Greer drops passing bombs about secret technology which the "rogue group" allegedly possesses which can render them invisible, able to fly faster than light and teleport themselves. I started to tire at this point.
The real problem I have is Greer's insistent cry that the "downside" of contact with extraterrestials is a government/corporate operation which has unlimted resources to perpetrate hoax abductions and keep the myth of abduction/for nefarious breeding purposes going. He tells how writers who want to pursue this line of investigation are offered huge advances; how one abduction researcher was on LSD most of the time he was with Greer at the Rockefeller estate; how this same researcher conducted his interviews on LSD.
I find the parts of Greer's book which have to do with his adamant denial that negative encounters are solely due to special govt. sponsored abduction units able to maniplate time and space to be disturbing and I start to wonder about him ... "methinks, he does protest too much" comes to mind. Greer comes across as an idealist and a very remarkable individual who has psychic/spiritual awareness far beyond most. He sees himself as a leader and pioneer in this welcoming of the extraterrestial civilization to our darkening world. Already, time is short. A week long training, including a two nighter out in the wild, only costs about $800 so Greer is not in it for the money which he claims he desperately needs. He says that the scenario of the elites or illuminati setting up false and negative encounters with the phony Et's is on the cards.
I still have to make up my mind about all of this. It is yet one more twist in a phenomenon which has been around for a very long time and has twisted and turned in a lot of unlikely directions. I am sure there are quite a few to go before we can truly see clearly. Jacques Vallee where are you ? !

I have read the book myself a while back...but i could not tell you what page it is on or the direct quote without skimming through the entire book again because there is no index

[70983]

Ok here we go...i've opened his book and BOOM on the dedication page it says

"This book is dedicated to all of our children, and to establishing a sustainable civilization on Earth-living in Universal Peace."

NWO much?

[CFF]

LOL.  I know.  shshshshshshsh!

Personally, I see nothing un-biblical about the idea, (3 Earth ages).  It would certainly explain Nephilim, the construction of the pyramids, pagan mythology and the 'men of reknown', etc.  And what is really interesting is parts of the book of Enoch where it talks about the Nephilim and their horrific practices with animals - and then you look at  so many of the ancient Egyptian gods who were  predominantly half-man/half-animal. Just seems like an odd coincidence.   What started me thinking was the whole "Cain" issue, where he is banished from mom and pop.  But then 'who' would kill him?  And who would he marry if it's just him, Adam and Eve?

 

Extra-terrestrials being perceived as Gods by cave-people (our ancestors) who created them; this would explain many things wouldn't it? Try to explain that to people, it's a lost cause.
Adam and Eve had how many children? 2! 2 sons. Cain and Abel. Not bad huh? the first 4 humans 3 of them were males 1 was female; so how do you explain perpetuation of the species? Whether accept that the Bible doesn't tell the whole story, and thus you need to accept there are misinterpretations, or just begin assuming that Eve had sex with her sons...    Ludicrous... But wait, by the time of Noah there were already 7 different races no? How do we explain the emergence of different races.

[White Rose Sophie]

Extra-terrestrials being perceived as Gods by cave-people (our ancestors) who created them; this would explain many things wouldn't it? Try to explain that to people, it's a lost cause.
Adam and Eve had how many children? 2! 2 sons. Cain and Abel. Not bad huh? the first 4 humans 3 of them were males 1 was female; so how do you explain perpetuation of the species? Whether accept that the Bible doesn't tell the whole story, and thus you need to accept there are misinterpretations, or just begin assuming that Eve had sex with her sons...    Ludicrous... But wait, by the time of Noah there were already 7 different races no? How do we explain the emergence of different races.

I don't want to be guilty of derailing this thread again.     If you've read the entire thread, I first started at reply 31 (i think)....but there's also this discussion on the Temple Mount Thread and the Nephilim thread as well.  If we don't stay on topic I'lll get smacked again.      Or you could PM me or Paladin or something............   

[37]

That's right, old 37 is watching and he is a grumpy, cuss... 

Just kidding.  You guys really are focused on a long time ago...

Anybody watch Glenn Beck interview Ron Paul on April 1?  Did you notice he compared the economy to a "giant meteor crashing to earth"? 

[CFF]

I don't want to be guilty of derailing this thread again.     If you've read the entire thread, I first started at reply 31 (i think)....but there's also this discussion on the Temple Mount Thread and the Nephilim thread as well.  If we don't stay on topic I'lll get smacked again.      Or you could PM me or Paladin or something............   

Derailing? Project Bluebeam is about making people think ETs will come in contact and all that, while it's all a government scam to make everyone submit to the world government.
Since there is a possibility of ETs one day landing somewhere, are we to discard the possibility because of project bluebeam? Hum... <.<'' all these questions hehe.

[zafada]

Ya know, regardless of whether or not you'd like to believe it, aliens have been here for thousands of years.  I'm telling you, I've been involved with this stuff since I was three years old, been in direct contact, have been followed etc.

Oh, not to mention the millions of credible abductee witnesses.

So yeah, project blue beam is real however it can't be done without the help of technology that we didn't/don't have.  Sure, you read these things on blogs but do you really KNOW whether or not the ideas presented are even plausible in the mind of an ordinary human?

For all of the messiah believers out there, this is where the problem begins...with human superstition.  So in light of recent evidence I came across not on a blog, youtube video, or website...check out humansovereignty.org.

If we're here and unevolved to the point where there's violence, rape, murder, etc...imagine what those who have been here for a million more years are planning. 

Seriously, look outside the box.  Study astral projection so you can figure this out for yourself.  There's alot more going on than the NWO.

[jcwhitefang]

No need for tech-no stuff, your own mind is a possible parasite, mind your walking talking two standards of thinking and feeling, first the noise of self pity me me me, then sometimes that silent shift of knowing, to be certain yet not know why. When internal silence stores up, the filter, your inventory trick breaks, bubble breaks and true confused conception occurs, windy side without routine, go mad but hold your bearings, then come back to keep on living.

What if you are a bunch of feelings held together by mysterious force that is aware.
The world we talk but an interpretation, a steady hold of bright centre in your ball of light that you are, that makes you perceive coherently, the price for having been made invincible on earth as we know, a prison for your mind, a bubble of your own self reflection, your personal world for your eyes only.
The apple in that garden with strange creatures.
Three personalities, the scared barker kill for wants, sheepy friend worker dying when left alone and the great babble no action man, for the total human population no matter color or literate
The third factor that makes us who we think we are, your internal dialogue an alien voice aboard.
To remember the life lived parallel as being no mass, inorganic being linked to earth in the form we understand as physical body and mind, just one unit as the energetic body is.

Sheer will and energetic form with bright centre, learning to make it move and adopt new positions, new worlds to explore. A priori knowledge being reached by impeccable life, saving energy, learn to move.
Since our domestication a force grounded, silenced by our internal struggle, never leaving ship before dying, thus dying with your total being and magical options, living twice now.
Predators out of the Dept's of the alien inorganic world, their morose brain filled with self pity, thus eating our energy flares that our pseudo problems create.
Instead of aligning your personal power to centre and learn to will yourself whereever real.

In short, I do not trust my brain and internal talk, sober reason comes from another place.
This world is unimportant as I am, beloved earth bestowing plenty.
We are trapped together, as chicken factories screeming hell and high water.
We are our own tyrants, some more petty than others.
Worst kill for no good reason, indulgence and fear just feeling sorry for yourself, your personality.
True nature frustrated for never been heard consciously, child imprisoned all its life.

But now a chance to set things straight, a silver revolution.
Those destined to get second Chance, will be humble, learn respect for earth and its inhabitants, including the inorganic parts.

Hey, we should use this world, existence and learn to reach our energetic sphere.
Discipline, sobriety, no self importance, no compassion as in suffering with.
We will find our self respect, we never like ourselves, curse our petty little lives and indulge.
I think we have a perfect antidote, change will not be an option anymore,
we will have to. We could win or loose everything.
No excuse for going down now.