Mitt Romney’s Bizarre Beliefs

[Dig]

I'm a Mormon and have a number of times defended my church's position on these boards. I am also an avid Ron Paul supporter as are many Mormons. Unfortunatly, Mitt Romney does not represent our church very well. So please don't judge us because of him.

I could try and explain every point previously said bit by bit, (there are a lot of mistruths, misunderstandings, things impossible to understand without understanding the rest of the info that comes before it, etc). But I won't.

What I do want to say though is that our church and it's leaders (especially at the top level) have fought more for freedom, the constitution and the truth movement than any other major church. If you look into our history, you will find we have also suffered and have been persecuted alot by corrupt Governments/leaders/etc. I would encourage you to look at http://www.latterdayconservative.com and read the quotes by our former prophets about the constitution and freedom, etc. I think you will be suprised. Our leaders feel very strongly about this. Pity not all members follow suit here.

You will also find  that our church has an awesome setup when it comes to giving humanitarian aide to those in need. We don't publicize it much, but millions goes to this every year. We have always taught preparedness for the hard times, just like Alex Jones does.

Look at many of the things that are destroying America both as a whole and to it's people individually. You will find that in almost all cases, Mormons oppose these things and encourage a better and happier way of living. Above all we believe in free agency. Not even Christ himself will force people to live his way when he reigns on earth. Nor will the Mormon church.

Anyway, by their fruits you shall know them. Get to know any strong active member of our church (other than Mitt Romney :-) and compare their life and happiness to the life the illuminati/establishment is teaching us and I think you will see huge differences for the better. They are not compatible.

As for Mormonism having some similar components to Masonry, I would like to say that it is one of Satan/Devil/Lucifer's tricks to mimic God's ways and patterns, but with some lies or destructive ways  thrown in. This is how he tricks us into following him. By deception. If Satan showed his true colours every time, who would he fool? Not many. The NWO is exactly the same. They offer us laws, vaccines, wars, etc that sound great and honourable on the surface but when you look into them they can be used for such evil and abuses of power.

Please give us Mormons a break. Most of the above comments are quite unfair. We are overall good people who are in this fight for truth and freedom with you all. Our past prophets actions and words show undeniable proof of this. I know some of our beliefs are hard to understand on the surface, but when you see the big picture they are really quite simple and might I add wonderful. In-fighting or discriminating against minorities within a larger group like this weakens us overall. Let's concentrate our efforts on the real criminals.

I will say this...

If it were not for good hearted Mormons, the truth about the Satanic Proctor and Gamble agenda would still be a mystery.  Big props to the good hearted mormon people from yours truly!  And I am fairly confident that Mitt does not represent 100% of the mormon people.  That would be like saying Mao represents 100% of the chinese or Kissinger represents 100% of jews or Hagee represents 100% of christians or Michael Jackson represents 100% of Jehovah's Witnesses

[ringo78]

Well I will start out by saying that I am not Mormon,  but I did grow up in Kirtland and went to Kirtland High School.  Kirtland is where the first Mormon Church was built.  When I was in Middle School I remember when Jeff Lundgren Killed the Avery family one at a time.  He killed them because he wanted to reclaim the original Mormon temple back to the LDS church.  One thing I do know growing up in Kirtland is that there are branches of Mormonism and it is the RLDS that owns that Church.  So if you guys want to discuss back and forth about Mormonism all I can say is that this incident messed a lot of us up back in school.  Here is what happened according to Wiki.

Lundgren and his family soon abandoned the religious group, and Lundgren began to feel a call to teach the Bible in the way he understood it. He formed his own sect soon after. Membership never exceeded more than twenty.

Lundgren began to offer Bible study services at his home. He sought to convince his congregation that he was God's last prophet. He asked for money from his supporters, and some would give him their life savings, which often were calculated to be thousands of dollars.

Lundgren then proclaimed he had received a call from God to move to Kirtland, Ohio, a small town near Cleveland which is the historic centre of the RLDS. According to Lundgren, he was told by God that he and his supporters would soon witness the second coming of Christ if they moved to Kirtland.

By this time, seven of Lundgren's 12 followers had moved in to the family home. The remaining five were members of the Avery family. Lundgren felt that the Averys were committing a sin by not living in his house. The Avery family father, Dennis, sold his Missouri house in order for his family to move to Ohio. Avery decided to set apart a relatively small amount of money for his family's use, with a bank account. Once again, Lundgren considered this a sin, because he wanted all of his followers' money to be given exclusively to him.

In 1984, Lundgren, his family, and his followers moved to Ohio. In Kirtland, Lundgren received a job as a tour guide at the Kirtland Temple, the first Temple of the Latter Day Saints, and now primarily a tourist museum preserved by the RLDS church.

In time, Lundgren convinced his followers that they had to seize the temple, from which he had stolen about $40,000, and to kill anyone who stood in their way. He changed his mind, however, and started telling his followers that they had to kill a family of five instead if they wanted to see God. As punishment for their "disloyalty," he chose the Averys. At some point, he referred to the slaughter of the Avery family as "pruning the vineyard,"[1] most likely a reference to the allegory of the olive tree found in chapter 5 of the Book of Jacob, part of The Book of Mormon.

[edit] Murders

On April 10, 1989, Lundgren ordered two of his followers to dig a pit in the barn, in anticipation of burying the Averys' bodies there. The anticipation was that there could be five bodies buried in the pit. Lundgren told the rest of his followers, including the Averys, that they would go on a wilderness trip. A week later, on April 17, 1989, he rented a motel room and had dinner with all of his followers. He then called his group's men into his room. He questioned each as to their purpose in the action. All of the men assured Lundgren that they were with him in the sacrifice. Dennis Avery was not invited to the meeting in Lundgren's bedroom.

According to followers' admissions, Lundgren later went inside the barn, with a church member named Ron Luff luring Dennis Avery into a place where the other men awaited by asking him for help with equipment for the camping trip. Luff attempted to render Avery unconscious with a stun gun; the stun gun had a mechanical failure. A stun bullet struck Avery but did not knock him out.

Avery then was gagged and dragged to the place where Lundgren awaited. He was shot twice in the chest, dying almost instantly. To mask the sound of the gun, a chainsaw was left running. Luff then told Avery's wife, Cheryl, that her husband needed help. She was gagged, like her husband, but also had duct tape put over her eyes, and dragged to Lundgren. She was shot three times, twice in the breasts and once in the abdomen. Her body lay next to her husband's. The Averys' 15-year-old daughter, Trina, was shot twice in the head. The first shot missed, but the second killed her instantly. Thirteen year old Becky Avery was shot twice and left to die, while six-year-old Karen Avery was shot in the chest and head. Both died.

The barn where the incident took place was demolished November 13, 2007[2][3].

[Noel Degrassi]

I mean their whole campaign if you just scratch the surface is a fricking joke.  It reminds me of something in the Kevin Smith DVD when he was talking about his loyal producer that helped him with making movies that had a $20,000 budget and a $20 million budget.  When they had a $20 million budget, the producer was fine because anytime there was a problem, the producer just threw money at the problem.  Well this is the Mitt Romney campaign, they cannot face any problem whatsoever and just keep throwing money at it.

Scott "Check out my Conversion Van" Mosier!!!! Yeah babeee!!!!

BTW, the Kevin Smith 2 in Canada is pretty good, too.


You know, if people just noticed how people run a campaign, they would get a pretty vivid view of how these people act in their "civil service". John "Scare The Shit Out of Everyone" McCain. Mitt.... buy your way in and around everything......(been there, done that.....it's what got us here in the first place).......And, am I the only one that every time he sees Mitt Romney it's just like looking at Nathan Pitrelli on "Heroes". That perfectly-coiffed head....that harmonically tuned voice....that Superhero melon..... and everything about him is FAKE. I cannot say "Manchurian Candidate" enough.

[theonlyROXDOG]

Romney is their boy. I agree with Jack Blood that he may well end up with the nomination.

[Dig]

Romney is their boy. I agree with Jack Blood that he may well end up with the nomination.

I have not heard Jack Blood say this, but he knows a shitload more than me.  It just does not make much sense.  They like puppets that they can control.  Mitt has an army at his disposal and a shitload of money.  But who knows.  Either way we know it is not Huck and in a three way match, RP trounces them both with one hand tied behind his back.

[Noel Degrassi]

I have not heard Jack Blood say this, but he knows a shitload more than me.  It just does not make much sense.  They like puppets that they can control.  Mitt has an army at his disposal and a shitload of money.  But who knows.  Either way we know it is not Huck and in a three way match, RP trounces them both with one hand tied behind his back.

And the trouncing shall commence in a few short hours. I double-dog dare those other candidates to start dropping Reagan comparisons in the House That Ronnie Built.........The Doctor will remedy THAT situation, and good........

[Capt. Obvious]

I think McCain is the guy who is going to take a dive against Clinton in the general election (like Kerry to Bush). I don't think Romney is an insider. I think he is deceived, but not "one of them."

[Indurain]

I would agree, that I don't know if Romney is an insider, but I think he has chosen to give up many of his beliefs and values in order to have a chance at becoming President. This translates to meaning he love Power and glory more than he loves God.

His playing their game to get a head.

[Noel Degrassi]

Mitt Romney not an insider? How do you figure? He was BORN an insider? Start with the fallen apple's tree: Daddy Gov. George Romney.

[Capt. Obvious]

Mitt Romney not an insider? How do you figure? He was BORN an insider? Start with the fallen apple's tree: Daddy Gov. George Romney.

Being born rich is not the same as an insider. I frankly don't think Romney is corruptible enough to be an insider. A useful idiot perhaps, but an insider, I am doubtful. I actually think very few people are "in the know." Most just go along, and some are so good at going along that they become successful in some area, like business, etc. I think Romney and the Mormon vote is actually getting played like a fiddle. I think most the Mormons are just voting for Romney because he's Mormon, and his initial success I think has given them some false security. I think the Mormons aren't paying enough attention to things in the race outside of Mitt. I think their vote has basically been neutralized. Mitt will probably be out of the race all of the sudden or lose the nomination and all the Mormons will be like, "now what? We haven't been paying attention to the other guys." And I don't think Mitt is in on this. He's just not that street smart. But that's just my opinion.

[Noel Degrassi]

When did I mention wealth? Wealth is a side-effect and a means to an end. He was born into political influence. That to me is as insider as it really gets. American Royalty Syndrome.

[theonlyROXDOG]

It just does not make much sense.  They like puppets that they can control.  Mitt has an army at his disposal and a shitload of money.

I think they will have no problem controlling Romney. He is one of them. Keep in mind, no one had even heard of Clinton when he hit the scene. Its the same with Mitt. Jack Blood was saying he'll get the nomination when people would have laughed at the prospect of him even running...

Now he's a frontrunner and he trounced McCain last night. All the neocon talk shows I listen to seem to lean toward Romney. I'm not an expert and I don't claim to have a crystal ball but I feel he's being positioned for the win.

[Armez]

Ugh.

Honestly I doubt that his religious beliefs will lead directly to dictatorship, just as they didn't with JFK and his religious beliefs.  What I'm trying to get to is that we need to look at why he will be a bad leader on a level that a normal person can rationalize.  As in, his flip-flopping record on abortion, immigration, and other things, his "double gitmo" crap, and the other obvious obscenities we need to call him out for.

[Dig]

Ugh.

Honestly I doubt that his religious beliefs will lead directly to dictatorship, just as they didn't with JFK and his religious beliefs.  What I'm trying to get to is that we need to look at why he will be a bad leader on a level that a normal person can rationalize.  As in, his flip-flopping record on abortion, immigration, and other things, his "double gitmo" crap, and the other obvious obscenities we need to call him out for.

I think Romney's religious faith is not really our business as it does not get involved with his job.  However, his personal beliefs in using internment camps like WWASP/Gitmo to enslave 90% of the american people disturbs me.

BTW, his "JFK speech" was really pathetic.  JFK had to give multiple speeches explaining his distinction between his faith and his duty to the constitution.  And his speeches included very confrontational and intellectual Q&A sessions. Please compare Romney's speech with just one of JFK's...

Mitt Romney Relgion Speech 12/06/2007

24 min - Dec 6, 2007 -

Search here and listen to some of the speeches he had to give concerning his religious beliefs and how they would affect his oath of office. http://www.jfklibrary.org/




http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1661840169999707395

[NinaBr]

What if we do end up with another war-hungry republican like Romney? Would Americans opt to move to Canada in order to avoid his proposed “100 Years War?” I heard Canada was ramping up its immigration centers in expectation of another wave of “Blue Staters” in the event of a Republican victory: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.asp
In the independent film “Blue State,” the protagonist does exactly that. He decides to flee the United States after another republican victory in 2004, due to strong liberal ideals: www.bluestatemovie.com

[Capt. Obvious]

I just saw this video made by a mormon for mormons about what the lds (mormon) scriptures and leaders have said about war. I think everyone here with heartily agree with it. Mormons seem to be deviating even from what the Book of Mormon says. At the end there is a plug for Ron Paul.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za0CGpar09o

[Indurain]

Great video, especially the end. As a fellow Mormon, there is nothing in this video that goes against the Book of Mormon. Our beliefs on war are basically idenitical with what Ron Paul has been saying. We are all for the constitution 100%.

[Effulgent]

After watching the video Romney freaks me out, his religion is very difficult for people to understand, americans do care what religion you are but the main issue is the flip flop

he was pro-choice when he needed to be, and pro-life when he felt it was convenient, he has so much money that he can buy support when he does not have it, he is too slick and goes negative which is a turnoff.

this is the problem when religion takes such a big role in politics, they all should take a lesson from Dr.Paul
His faith is His Buisness!

I appreciate how he has such dignity about his beliefs.

Lots of people feel religions are just comfortable creation myths so if rommney wanted to end this, he should just say Im the same man on Monday as I was on Sunday, and it has as much to do with how I do my job as your faith does on you, If you wont vote for me because Im a mormon or a muslim, or a catholic then you dont understand what america is all about and thus, you have someplace you need to be come next sunday.

[Satyagraha]

Mitt Romney Melts Down/Implodes Over Mormonism Questions #2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0rcAByKUFM

This video of Mitt Romney, imploding over questions he's asked regarding Mormonism, as well as the video referenced in the previous post, have both been removed from YouTube. DOWN THE MEMORY HOLE.

[egypt]

Great.  From now on we need to at least have the written form what was said in a video we know probably will be taken down.