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Offline Johnsonville87

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Population Control!!!!!!!!!!
« on: January 29, 2010, 01:15:05 AM »
I just have some interesting insight for you and some questions ???

The human population has been growing at a faster and faster rate right? Its doubled since 1978, correct me if I'm wrong. This is somewhat of a MASSIVE problem is it not? If we start to exceed our resources then we start to die. Nobody really seems to address this issue except for saying the people behind the curtains are doing it for evil reasons.

The scary idea I'm proposing is what if the elite, the force behind the curtain, has realized this issue. They see the inevitable population growth and are taking action in order to save the human race. To reduce the numbers until we find ways of expanding.

This is just a thought I had, please don't bash it. I'm looking for insight into this topic. How do you suggest we control the population?

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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2010, 01:20:18 AM »
the planet can support billions more people.  what it can't support is capitalism, the mass consumption and destruction of the environment for profit.  thats what the elites realize, thus the conversion of society from capitalism to socialism to communism.  and this conversion, they know, will not be accepted by many, thus depopulation to the ones that try and fight it.  and its just too hard to keep control of 6 billion people, so again depopulation to a more manageable number in the process.

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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2010, 01:39:56 AM »
I think capitalism and commercialism are one in the same.

Free people barter: carrots for beer; chicken for medical services; that sort of thing. It seems that "capitalism" needs growth - or the illusion of growth - or it doesn't exist, and, "socialism" and "democracy" are just nice ways of saying totalitarianism.

Hey, you're free to be a commie, but don't pretend you're not. (not you neccessarily, but to all the commies ... those who fear freedom because they do not trust freedom - and they don't trust freedom because they don't even know what it is! Is that not true?

And as for eugenics, I don't like it one bit.
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2010, 01:41:10 AM »


  CUT THE BS.  The US has a total area of 3,537,441 square miles.  If they put 3 people on every acre America, the United States could support 6,791,886,720 people.  That is a little less than the current population of the entire planet.  That would leave the rest of the planet to still populate.

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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2010, 01:44:01 AM »
You mean we can beat them with math, AND on moral grounds? These buggers are going down fast! :)
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« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2010, 01:48:58 AM »
Killing people isn't the answer.

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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2010, 01:49:39 AM »
Killing people isn't the answer.

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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2010, 01:52:03 AM »
I just have some interesting insight for you and some questions ???

The human population has been growing at a faster and faster rate right? Its doubled since 1978, correct me if I'm wrong. This is somewhat of a MASSIVE problem is it not? If we start to exceed our resources then we start to die. Nobody really seems to address this issue except for saying the people behind the curtains are doing it for evil reasons.

The scary idea I'm proposing is what if the elite, the force behind the curtain, has realized this issue. They see the inevitable population growth and are taking action in order to save the human race. To reduce the numbers until we find ways of expanding.

This is just a thought I had, please don't bash it. I'm looking for insight into this topic. How do you suggest we control the population?

the current population of the earth would all fit on the continent of Australia with each receiving one quarter acre of land.  Do the math. It's true.

Allocation of resources, sustainable use of resources, local, efficient, intelligent food production: all these are the issue: NOT OVER-POPULATION.  

Been in an airplane lately? What did you see down there? I reckon you saw hundreds of square miles of unused, unpopulated regions.  A few clusters of cities.  Overpopulation is a myth we've been taught.

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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2010, 01:54:44 AM »
The Earth can probably provide long-term decent life support for around a billion humans, but the number can only be that large if the overall economic system is capitalism, with governments that are republics established to protect the rights of each individual from being assaulted by another individual or the “group”.  My overall analysis is at:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/11849883/Sustainable-Civilization-From-the-Grass-Roots-Up
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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2010, 01:57:01 AM »
the current population of the earth would all fit on the continent of Australia with each receiving one quarter acre of land.  Do the math. It's true.

Allocation of resources, sustainable use of resources, local, efficient, intelligent food production: all these are the issue: NOT OVER-POPULATION.  

Been in an airplane lately? What did you see down there? I reckon you saw hundreds of square miles of unused, unpopulated regions.  A few clusters of cities.  Overpopulation is a myth we've been taught.


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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2010, 02:04:15 AM »
the planet can support billions more people.  what it can't support is capitalism, the mass consumption and destruction of the environment for profit.  thats what the elites realize, thus the conversion of society from capitalism to socialism to communism.  and this conversion, they know, will not be accepted by many, thus depopulation to the ones that try and fight it.  and its just too hard to keep control of 6 billion people, so again depopulation to a more manageable number in the process.

Yes lets blame legs for paralysis. Brilliant!

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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2010, 02:05:22 AM »
The concept of a carrying capacity is pseudoscience.
They can claim it to be whatever they want it to be

Population in the west is stable and even declining.

If there wasnt enough food or water, the population of the world wouldnt be growing so fast

Issues to do with the impact of human civilization on nature and the population should be addressed honestly, openly, by genuine scientists.
Not in secret by an elite, desperate to find a justification to lockdown planet earth.

Just like the environment. These people propagate GM food and claim to be environment protectors and to be reducing human impact on nature.
Putting them in charge of environment will only make the environment worse.

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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2010, 02:18:53 AM »
The concept of a carrying capacity is pseudoscience.
They can claim it to be whatever they want it to be

Population in the west is stable and even declining.

If there wasnt enough food or water, the population of the world wouldnt be growing so fast

Issues to do with the impact of human civilization on nature and the population should be addressed honestly, openly, by genuine scientists.
Not in secret by an elite, desperate to find a justification to lockdown planet earth.

Just like the environment. These people propagate GM food and claim to be environment protectors and to be reducing human impact on nature.
Putting them in charge of environment will only make the environment worse.

Yeah, make it voluntary (people driven) instead of taxed and planned.
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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2010, 02:53:06 AM »
I think we all wonder that, Johnsonville.

But, the reality is since the dawn of time civilizations have risen and fallen, and it seems to be an inevitable ebb and flow of humanity.   We cannot support our current habits for much longer anyways, this civilization as a whole is on its way down. I see in its place people living and thriving in communities again, living off the earth again and relying on ourselves again instead of the machine.


  The system has been invented by the PTB and we have bought into it. We could easily have enough food to feed our population in North America, but I can tell you that we will not and there will be food shortages and people will be very surprised to say the very least.
 
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« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2010, 04:33:55 AM »
As long as there are national states or other such divisions, the Earth will be too small for all of us. As long as the principles of Free Market govern us without any real limit, the Earth will be too small for all of us and we'll have to start killing each other one day for resources and lebensraum, whether by design of the NWO or by a bona fide war.

The Machine must exist in some form, or we're back in the Dark Ages. It could exist solely for the betterment of man, or that betterment can be just a side product, with the prime result being the rich getting richer; the latter is true now. I would not support a revolution against the Machine of society itself, but a revolution against the system that runs it, and against it's current principles must be mounted if we don't want to live in a world that objectively requires us to kill each other for toys and space all the while there are acres upon acres of land on which we could build, but can't afford to do so or can't because the empty space is in someone else's territory.

It's a bittersweet conflict for me: On one hand, the NWO is fulfilling my dream of global government (we DO need a new world order where the rule of law, not the law of the jungle, etc.), on the other, they are SO screwing it up (by placing their own law of the jungle in place of the old) that they are just begging to be removed from power. But the idea of a global community must not die/be removed with them.

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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2010, 04:46:18 AM »
I think we all wonder that, Johnsonville.

But, the reality is since the dawn of time civilizations have risen and fallen, and it seems to be an inevitable ebb and flow of humanity.   We cannot support our current habits for much longer anyways, this civilization as a whole is on its way down. I see in its place people living and thriving in communities again, living off the earth again and relying on ourselves again instead of the machine.


  The system has been invented by the PTB and we have bought into it. We could easily have enough food to feed our population in North America, but I can tell you that we will not and there will be food shortages and people will be very surprised to say the very least.
 

 That would be a beautiful thing, living off the land. It would be nice to see a time that we can drink water from a lake once again. I feel bad for the people taht can't hunt or grow their own food in these times. Looking at the Codex Alimentarius research, I guess the government plans to hand out all kinds of food, only problem is that food won't have any nutrients causing mass starvation right? I've only been awake for a few months so my research is little yet.Thanks for all info guys!!  Funny someone mentioned if I've been in a plane lately because I just got back from a trip. I thought of that looked at some pics i took from the plane...you make a good point. Nothing but clear land and the occaisonal city. Im going to look into this more.

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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2010, 05:02:43 AM »
I forgot about another question I had...

Why do you guys think the elite would have allowed all the court cases against the tabbaco companies? I've wonered that because tobbaco seems like such a good thing to help their cause in killing people. To much scientific evidence from the people or something?

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« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2010, 06:07:48 AM »

  CUT THE BS.  The US has a total area of 3,537,441 square miles.  If they put 3 people on every acre America, the United States could support 6,791,886,720 people.  That is a little less than the current population of the entire planet.  That would leave the rest of the planet to still populate.

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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2010, 07:49:26 AM »
the planet can support billions more people.  what it can't support is capitalism, the mass consumption and destruction of the environment for profit.  thats what the elites realize, thus the conversion of society from capitalism to socialism to communism.  and this conversion, they know, will not be accepted by many, thus depopulation to the ones that try and fight it.  and its just too hard to keep control of 6 billion people, so again depopulation to a more manageable number in the process.
I disagree. This is a serious dumbing down with less individual free enterprize and inventions. The communist seem to make more pollution than those the claiming capitalist and this intire population is eating GM high pesticide corn not just the people who don't like all the ignorant suicidal groupieness. America is only about three hundred million people who were the most self sufficient and independent.
why should Americans be consuming behavior control drugs at a rate of about ninety five persent more than the rest of the world?

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« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2010, 09:25:41 AM »
Because those drugs are pushed onto us, and they make them seem as harmless as candy. But even candy can give you diabetes. I would hate taking behavior drugs, and wouldn't take them if perscribed to me.

I forgot about another question I had...

Why do you guys think the elite would have allowed all the court cases against the tabbaco companies? I've wonered that because tobbaco seems like such a good thing to help their cause in killing people. To much scientific evidence from the people or something?

I heard somewhere on the board that smoking counteracts the effects of chemtrails. Don't start just because of that though. I would stick to good ol' Cannabis. That seems to be working out well for so many people.

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« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2010, 09:38:16 AM »
I forgot about another question I had...

Why do you guys think the elite would have allowed all the court cases against the tabbaco companies? I've wonered that because tobbaco seems like such a good thing to help their cause in killing people. To much scientific evidence from the people or something?

That was actually a capatilist move. Tabacco production was a mature market. Meaning that all advertising and growth, didn't mean getting new customers, but taking away customers from other tabacco companies. All of the tabacco companies were putting mega bucks into advertising, for the smaller tabacco companies their advertising cancelled each other out. And for the bigger companies, they were approaching, breaching antitrust laws due to their size. However, any one tabacco company could not stop advertising, because they would loose market share to the other companies.

So what happened, is the tabacco companies got together, and created the legislation, essentially a corperate cease fire. So that more money could be earned through solidification and reduced marketing.

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« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2010, 09:39:38 AM »
those clever bastards.

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« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2010, 09:53:44 AM »
Holy crap, we are all going to die if we do not get rid of people. This requires an immediate remedy.

I offer this Modest Proposal...





It is a melancholy object to those who walk through this great town or travel in the country, when they see the streets, the roads, and cabin doors, crowded with beggars of the female sex, followed by three, four, or six children, all in rags and importuning every passenger for an alms. These mothers, instead of being able to work for their honest livelihood, are forced to employ all their time in strolling to beg sustenance for their helpless infants: who as they grow up either turn thieves for want of work, or leave their dear native country to fight for the Pretender in Spain, or sell themselves to the Barbadoes.

I think it is agreed by all parties that this prodigious number of children in the arms, or on the backs, or at the heels of their mothers, and frequently of their fathers, is in the present deplorable state of the kingdom a very great additional grievance; and, therefore, whoever could find out a fair, cheap, and easy method of making these children sound, useful members of the commonwealth, would deserve so well of the public as to have his statue set up for a preserver of the nation.

But my intention is very far from being confined to provide only for the children of professed beggars; it is of a much greater extent, and shall take in the whole number of infants at a certain age who are born of parents in effect as little able to support them as those who demand our charity in the streets.

As to my own part, having turned my thoughts for many years upon this important subject, and maturely weighed the several schemes of other projectors, I have always found them grossly mistaken in the computation. It is true, a child just dropped from its dam may be supported by her milk for a solar year, with little other nourishment; at most not above the value of 2s., which the mother may certainly get, or the value in scraps, by her lawful occupation of begging; and it is exactly at one year old that I propose to provide for them in such a manner as instead of being a charge upon their parents or the parish, or wanting food and raiment for the rest of their lives, they shall on the contrary contribute to the feeding, and partly to the clothing, of many thousands.

There is likewise another great advantage in my scheme, that it will prevent those voluntary abortions, and that horrid practice of women murdering their bastard children, alas! too frequent among us! sacrificing the poor innocent babes I doubt more to avoid the expense than the shame, which would move tears and pity in the most savage and inhuman breast.

The number of souls in this kingdom being usually reckoned one million and a half, of these I calculate there may be about two hundred thousand couple whose wives are breeders; from which number I subtract thirty thousand couples who are able to maintain their own children, although I apprehend there cannot be so many, under the present distresses of the kingdom; but this being granted, there will remain an hundred and seventy thousand breeders. I again subtract fifty thousand for those women who miscarry, or whose children die by accident or disease within the year. There only remains one hundred and twenty thousand children of poor parents annually born. The question therefore is, how this number shall be reared and provided for, which, as I have already said, under the present situation of affairs, is utterly impossible by all the methods hitherto proposed. For we can neither employ them in handicraft or agriculture; we neither build houses (I mean in the country) nor cultivate land: they can very seldom pick up a livelihood by stealing, till they arrive at six years old, except where they are of towardly parts, although I confess they learn the rudiments much earlier, during which time, they can however be properly looked upon only as probationers, as I have been informed by a principal gentleman in the county of Cavan, who protested to me that he never knew above one or two instances under the age of six, even in a part of the kingdom so renowned for the quickest proficiency in that art.

I am assured by our merchants, that a boy or a girl before twelve years old is no salable commodity; and even when they come to this age they will not yield above three pounds, or three pounds and half-a-crown at most on the exchange; which cannot turn to account either to the parents or kingdom, the charge of nutriment and rags having been at least four times that value.

I shall now therefore humbly propose my own thoughts, which I hope will not be liable to the least objection.

I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee or a ragout.

I do therefore humbly offer it to public consideration that of the hundred and twenty thousand children already computed, twenty thousand may be reserved for breed, whereof only one-fourth part to be males; which is more than we allow to sheep, black cattle or swine; and my reason is, that these children are seldom the fruits of marriage, a circumstance not much regarded by our savages, therefore one male will be sufficient to serve four females. That the remaining hundred thousand may, at a year old, be offered in the sale to the persons of quality and fortune through the kingdom; always advising the mother to let them suck plentifully in the last month, so as to render them plump and fat for a good table. A child will make two dishes at an entertainment for friends; and when the family dines alone, the fore or hind quarter will make a reasonable dish, and seasoned with a little pepper or salt will be very good boiled on the fourth day, especially in winter.

I have reckoned upon a medium that a child just born will weigh 12 pounds, and in a solar year, if tolerably nursed, increaseth to 28 pounds.

I grant this food will be somewhat dear, and therefore very proper for landlords, who, as they have already devoured most of the parents, seem to have the best title to the children.

Infant's flesh will be in season throughout the year, but more plentiful in March, and a little before and after; for we are told by a grave author, an eminent French physician, that fish being a prolific diet, there are more children born in Roman Catholic countries about nine months after Lent than at any other season; therefore, reckoning a year after Lent, the markets will be more glutted than usual, because the number of popish infants is at least three to one in this kingdom: and therefore it will have one other collateral advantage, by lessening the number of papists among us.

I have already computed the charge of nursing a beggar's child (in which list I reckon all cottagers, laborers, and four-fifths of the farmers) to be about two shillings per annum, rags included; and I believe no gentleman would repine to give ten shillings for the carcass of a good fat child, which, as I have said, will make four dishes of excellent nutritive meat, when he hath only some particular friend or his own family to dine with him. Thus the squire will learn to be a good landlord, and grow popular among his tenants; the mother will have eight shillings net profit, and be fit for work till she produces another child.

Those who are more thrifty (as I must confess the times require) may flay the carcass; the skin of which artificially dressed will make admirable gloves for ladies, and summer boots for fine gentlemen.

As to our city of Dublin, shambles may be appointed for this purpose in the most convenient parts of it, and butchers we may be assured will not be wanting; although I rather recommend buying the children alive, and dressing them hot from the knife, as we do roasting pigs.

A very worthy person, a true lover of his country, and whose virtues I highly esteem, was lately pleased in discoursing on this matter to offer a refinement upon my scheme. He said that many gentlemen of this kingdom, having of late destroyed their deer, he conceived that the want of venison might be well supplied by the bodies of young lads and maidens, not exceeding fourteen years of age nor under twelve; so great a number of both sexes in every country being now ready to starve for want of work and service; and these to be disposed of by their parents, if alive, or otherwise by their nearest relations. But with due deference to so excellent a friend and so deserving a patriot, I cannot be altogether in his sentiments; for as to the males, my American acquaintance assured me, from frequent experience, that their flesh was generally tough and lean, like that of our schoolboys by continual exercise, and their taste disagreeable; and to fatten them would not answer the charge. Then as to the females, it would, I think, with humble submission be a loss to the public, because they soon would become breeders themselves; and besides, it is not improbable that some scrupulous people might be apt to censure such a practice (although indeed very unjustly), as a little bordering upon cruelty; which, I confess, hath always been with me the strongest objection against any project, however so well intended.

But in order to justify my friend, he confessed that this expedient was put into his head by the famous Psalmanazar, a native of the island Formosa, who came from thence to London above twenty years ago, and in conversation told my friend, that in his country when any young person happened to be put to death, the executioner sold the carcass to persons of quality as a prime dainty; and that in his time the body of a plump girl of fifteen, who was crucified for an attempt to poison the emperor, was sold to his imperial majesty's prime minister of state, and other great mandarins of the court, in joints from the gibbet, at four hundred crowns. Neither indeed can I deny, that if the same use were made of several plump young girls in this town, who without one single groat to their fortunes cannot stir abroad without a chair, and appear at playhouse and assemblies in foreign fineries which they never will pay for, the kingdom would not be the worse.

Some persons of a desponding spirit are in great concern about that vast number of poor people, who are aged, diseased, or maimed, and I have been desired to employ my thoughts what course may be taken to ease the nation of so grievous an encumbrance. But I am not in the least pain upon that matter, because it is very well known that they are every day dying and rotting by cold and famine, and filth and vermin, as fast as can be reasonably expected. And as to the young laborers, they are now in as hopeful a condition; they cannot get work, and consequently pine away for want of nourishment, to a degree that if at any time they are accidentally hired to common labor, they have not strength to perform it; and thus the country and themselves are happily delivered from the evils to come.

I have too long digressed, and therefore shall return to my subject. I think the advantages by the proposal which I have made are obvious and many, as well as of the highest importance.

For first, as I have already observed, it would greatly lessen the number of papists, with whom we are yearly overrun, being the principal breeders of the nation as well as our most dangerous enemies; and who stay at home on purpose with a design to deliver the kingdom to the Pretender, hoping to take their advantage by the absence of so many good protestants, who have chosen rather to leave their country than stay at home and pay tithes against their conscience to an episcopal curate.

Secondly, The poorer tenants will have something valuable of their own, which by law may be made liable to distress and help to pay their landlord's rent, their corn and cattle being already seized, and money a thing unknown.

Thirdly, Whereas the maintenance of an hundred thousand children, from two years old and upward, cannot be computed at less than ten shillings a-piece per annum, the nation's stock will be thereby increased fifty thousand pounds per annum, beside the profit of a new dish introduced to the tables of all gentlemen of fortune in the kingdom who have any refinement in taste. And the money will circulate among ourselves, the goods being entirely of our own growth and manufacture.

Fourthly, The constant breeders, beside the gain of eight shillings sterling per annum by the sale of their children, will be rid of the charge of maintaining them after the first year.

Fifthly, This food would likewise bring great custom to taverns; where the vintners will certainly be so prudent as to procure the best receipts for dressing it to perfection, and consequently have their houses frequented by all the fine gentlemen, who justly value themselves upon their knowledge in good eating: and a skilful cook, who understands how to oblige his guests, will contrive to make it as expensive as they please.

Sixthly, This would be a great inducement to marriage, which all wise nations have either encouraged by rewards or enforced by laws and penalties. It would increase the care and tenderness of mothers toward their children, when they were sure of a settlement for life to the poor babes, provided in some sort by the public, to their annual profit instead of expense. We should see an honest emulation among the married women, which of them could bring the fattest child to the market. Men would become as fond of their wives during the time of their pregnancy as they are now of their mares in foal, their cows in calf, their sows when they are ready to farrow; nor offer to beat or kick them (as is too frequent a practice) for fear of a miscarriage.

Many other advantages might be enumerated. For instance, the addition of some thousand carcasses in our exportation of barreled beef, the propagation of swine's flesh, and improvement in the art of making good bacon, so much wanted among us by the great destruction of pigs, too frequent at our tables; which are no way comparable in taste or magnificence to a well-grown, fat, yearling child, which roasted whole will make a considerable figure at a lord mayor's feast or any other public entertainment. But this and many others I omit, being studious of brevity.

Supposing that one thousand families in this city, would be constant customers for infants flesh, besides others who might have it at merry meetings, particularly at weddings and christenings, I compute that Dublin would take off annually about twenty thousand carcasses; and the rest of the kingdom (where probably they will be sold somewhat cheaper) the remaining eighty thousand.

I can think of no one objection, that will possibly be raised against this proposal, unless it should be urged, that the number of people will be thereby much lessened in the kingdom. This I freely own, and 'twas indeed one principal design in offering it to the world. I desire the reader will observe, that I calculate my remedy for this one individual Kingdom of Ireland, and for no other that ever was, is, or, I think, ever can be upon Earth. Therefore let no man talk to me of other expedients: Of taxing our absentees at five shillings a pound: Of using neither cloaths, nor houshold furniture, except what is of our own growth and manufacture: Of utterly rejecting the materials and instruments that promote foreign luxury: Of curing the expensiveness of pride, vanity, idleness, and gaming in our women: Of introducing a vein of parsimony, prudence and temperance: Of learning to love our country, wherein we differ even from Laplanders, and the inhabitants of Topinamboo: Of quitting our animosities and factions, nor acting any longer like the Jews, who were murdering one another at the very moment their city was taken: Of being a little cautious not to sell our country and consciences for nothing: Of teaching landlords to have at least one degree of mercy towards their tenants. Lastly, of putting a spirit of honesty, industry, and skill into our shop-keepers, who, if a resolution could now be taken to buy only our native goods, would immediately unite to cheat and exact upon us in the price, the measure, and the goodness, nor could ever yet be brought to make one fair proposal of just dealing, though often and earnestly invited to it.

Therefore I repeat, let no man talk to me of these and the like expedients, 'till he hath at least some glympse of hope, that there will ever be some hearty and sincere attempt to put them into practice.

But, as to my self, having been wearied out for many years with offering vain, idle, visionary thoughts, and at length utterly despairing of success, I fortunately fell upon this proposal, which, as it is wholly new, so it hath something solid and real, of no expence and little trouble, full in our own power, and whereby we can incur no danger in disobliging England. For this kind of commodity will not bear exportation, and flesh being of too tender a consistence, to admit a long continuance in salt, although perhaps I could name a country, which would be glad to eat up our whole nation without it.

After all, I am not so violently bent upon my own opinion as to reject any offer proposed by wise men, which shall be found equally innocent, cheap, easy, and effectual. But before something of that kind shall be advanced in contradiction to my scheme, and offering a better, I desire the author or authors will be pleased maturely to consider two points. First, as things now stand, how they will be able to find food and raiment for an hundred thousand useless mouths and backs. And secondly, there being a round million of creatures in human figure throughout this kingdom, whose whole subsistence put into a common stock would leave them in debt two millions of pounds sterling, adding those who are beggars by profession to the bulk of farmers, cottagers, and laborers, with their wives and children who are beggars in effect: I desire those politicians who dislike my overture, and may perhaps be so bold as to attempt an answer, that they will first ask the parents of these mortals, whether they would not at this day think it a great happiness to have been sold for food, at a year old in the manner I prescribe, and thereby have avoided such a perpetual scene of misfortunes as they have since gone through by the oppression of landlords, the impossibility of paying rent without money or trade, the want of common sustenance, with neither house nor clothes to cover them from the inclemencies of the weather, and the most inevitable prospect of entailing the like or greater miseries upon their breed for ever.

I profess, in the sincerity of my heart, that I have not the least personal interest in endeavoring to promote this necessary work, having no other motive than the public good of my country, by advancing our trade, providing for infants, relieving the poor, and giving some pleasure to the rich. I have no children by which I can propose to get a single penny; the youngest being nine years old, and my wife past child-bearing.

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Note: The author of the above essay is Jonathan Swift (1667-1745), author and satirist, who is famous for Gulliver's Travels (1726). He wrote "A Modest Proposal" in 1729 when the British Monarchy was advocating various forms of depopulation similar to the elite propaganda that is pervasive today. Although the same arguments were being proposed over 270 years ago there has yet to be any negative outcome from an expanding population other than a greater paranoia by the ruling class. Panic by the elite ruling families who are seeing their control over the worldwide population has caused a rise in this identical propaganda. Population control has always meant the same thing, the ability for a handful of families to control the entire planet's population as slaves. When  you hear the words "population control", realize that this is a false flag attack on humanity funded by elites. It is their desperate and failing attempt to continue the master/slave feudal system that mankind has been subjected to for thousands of years. The belief that there are too many liviving humans for the planet to survive is delusional at best and psychopathic at worst. Perhaps the satire above can wake some of the mind control sheep up to the reality of what "population control" really means.
All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately

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« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2010, 10:07:50 AM »
I just have some interesting insight for you and some questions ???

The human population has been growing at a faster and faster rate right? Its doubled since 1978, correct me if I'm wrong. This is somewhat of a MASSIVE problem is it not? If we start to exceed our resources then we start to die. Nobody really seems to address this issue except for saying the people behind the curtains are doing it for evil reasons.

The scary idea I'm proposing is what if the elite, the force behind the curtain, has realized this issue. They see the inevitable population growth and are taking action in order to save the human race. To reduce the numbers until we find ways of expanding.

This is just a thought I had, please don't bash it. I'm looking for insight into this topic. How do you suggest we control the population?

So, are you condoning the murders in these false wars because you and they think we need depopulation?

How about you volunteer if you think we have too many people??????? Funny how those who believe this nonsense never volunteer to help!

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Take your talking points elsewhere please! You are listening to the wrong side on this issue. I suggest you start doing some research on how sick these GENOCIDAL EUGENICISTS ARE before going with their thinking on anything. You are being deceived. They are playing god, and they have NO RIGHT to do so!

http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=7117
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« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2010, 10:44:08 AM »

Sooooo many lies regarding the supposedly population bombs. Whatever happened to the scare tactics/overpopulation terrorists of 40 years ago? Lies/Disinformation. Population bombs bs was all about fear, fear, fear so they could implement the eugenics program in every country. Sudan alone has lost 2 to 3 million people due to the ethnic cleansing of Africans (Christians and Animists (sp)). It is happening now in Haiti.

Steven Mosher spent time in China (Rockefeller's depopulation programs) 30 years ago and witnessed the slaughter first hand. Population Research institute has a lot of info.http://www.pop.org/0000000094/pri-faqs-frequently-asked-questions, in addition, Human Life International (HLI).

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« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2010, 10:54:54 AM »
In World War I the unsuspecting courageous brave trusting loyal troops in their trenches saw a mist approaching.  Befuddled they watched and waited then saw a nearby unit spill out of their trench writhing and screaming.   The Mustard Gas wasn't invented by aforementioned soldiers on either side rather it was invented lovingly by the elite.  The same elite that programs the masses, on their media, with the notion of over population.  It is all genocide all the time.

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« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2010, 11:35:22 AM »
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3287351200059366862#  - The world is not overpopulated AT ALL. Even if it was, it would not be a problem if we could have the suppressed clean energy technology.


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Understand your enemy, and understand the weapons they use. Then use those same weapons against them. The money system is the head of the snake. Cut the head off the snake and the rest of it will whither and die. There need be No violence, no guns, no banners, no slogans, no group think, just a united act of global non compliance. Remember that it is much easier to fight for principles than to live up to them and it takes a far braver man to stand up for what is right and spit in the face of authority than it does to blindly follow orders due to fear of the consequences. Understand that we are all one and the key to real change and unity in this world lies with love. It is time for the people of the world to stop and realise that the divisions that supposedly exist amongst us are an illusion. There IS NO division and its time for everyone to understand the truth of this. It is through the constantly promoted illusion of division that the system is able to function but in order for it to do so, it needs public compliance. Stop complying with it and you will shut it down. Its time for us all to collectively stand together and address the root cause of the problems. Everyone. Understand your enemy, and understand the weapons they use. Then use those same weapons against them. The money system is the head of the snake. Cut the head off the snake and the rest of it will whither and die. There need be No violence, no guns, no banners, no slogans, no group think, just a united act of global non compliance. Remember that it is much easier to fight for principles than to live up to them and it takes a far braver man to stand up for what is right and spit in the face of authority than it does to blindly follow orders due to fear of the consequences. Understand that we are all one and the key to real change and unity in this world lies with love. It is time for the people of the world to stop and realise that the divisions that supposedly exist amongst us are an illusion. There IS NO division and its time for everyone to understand the truth of this. It is through the constantly promoted illusion of division that the system is able to function but in order for it to do so, it nee...all » Understand your enemy, and understand the weapons they use. Then use those same weapons against them. The money system is the head of the snake. Cut the head off the snake and the rest of it will whither and die. There need be No violence, no guns, no banners, no slogans, no group think, just a united act of global non compliance. Remember that it is much easier to fight for principles than to live up to them and it takes a far braver man to stand up for what is right and spit in the face of authority than it does to blindly follow orders due to fear of the consequences. Understand that we are all one and the key to real change and unity in this world lies with love. It is time for the people of the world to stop and realize that the divisions that supposedly exist amongst us are an illusion. There IS NO division and its time for everyone to understand the truth of this. It is through the constantly promoted illusion of division that the system is able to function but in order for it to do so, it needs public compliance. Stop complying with it and you will shut it down. Its time for us all to collectively stand together and address the root cause of the problems. Everyone.

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« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2010, 11:44:23 AM »
In World War I the unsuspecting courageous brave trusting loyal troops in their trenches saw a mist approaching.  Befuddled they watched and waited then saw a nearby unit spill out of their trench writhing and screaming.   The Mustard Gas wasn't invented by aforementioned soldiers on either side rather it was invented lovingly by the elite.  The same elite that programs the masses, on their media, with the notion of over population.  It is all genocide all the time.

Yesterday read the bio of Salinger...(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JD_Salingering) i had no idea that WW2 they had used napalm especially in France.

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« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2010, 02:53:06 PM »
Forty-two years ago, the biologist Paul Ehrlich warned in The Population Bomb that mass starvation would strike in the 1970s and 1980s, with the world's population growth outpacing the production of food and other critical resources.

Infact in the 00s we had what the elites dubbed 'an obesity crisis'.
They stated trying to exploit that for their own purposes too

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« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2010, 09:35:33 AM »
the current population of the earth would all fit on the continent of Australia with each receiving one quarter acre of land.  Do the math. It's true.

Allocation of resources, sustainable use of resources, local, efficient, intelligent food production: all these are the issue: NOT OVER-POPULATION.  

Been in an airplane lately? What did you see down there? I reckon you saw hundreds of square miles of unused, unpopulated regions.  A few clusters of cities.  Overpopulation is a myth we've been taught.
The USA is not overpopulated. Its not our place to invent population scams as our system of government is based on the idea that we all have certain rights. One of those rights is not to be starved out or terminated by insane suicide groups that are not conforming to the law. These communal leaders are insane. I have lived on a large coral reef that was raised up to 4000 feet in the mountains of west Texas. It was at one time the sea floor. Americans should continue working towards the probems of surviving the future because that is what we are good at. Whatever it was that put the sea floor in the mountains man does not have control over it. Let the sick freaks that live back in the old world work on this type of illogical uncivilised depressing population destruction for their population and leave us out of it. Its not right for Americans.

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« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2010, 03:53:37 PM »
Infact in the 00s we had what the elites dubbed 'an obesity crisis'.
They stated trying to exploit that for their own purposes too

It would better be called a malnutrition crisis.  (mal=bad).  Corn syrup is bad for you.

The subject isn't as simple as "the Malthusians are wrong" or "starvation is around the corner as soon as Peak Oil hits".

Industrialized agriculture is less efficient and less sustainable than small scale agriculture.  But alternatives aren't discussed, and in fact Obama is trying to hound the small farmers out of business, because that's the way the agri-businesses want it.

If we could ignore the promise of temporary safety offered by industrial civilization, we might find we could support a much higher world population, with more advanced science and technology (which is a function of human connectivity, NOT "intellectual property rights") than you can imagine today, and prosperity for all.  Really.  But you'll all have to work for it.  Sitting back and letting 'the experts' or 'the authorities' take care of this stuff for us is what got us into this mess in the first place.

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« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2010, 12:51:38 AM »
  Wise up. "Agenda 21" is real. They have come right out and openly stated their intentions. It's written in plain English, (along with several other languages) on the "Georgia Guidestones". And that is to "maintain" a world population of 500,000. Well unfortunately, the fact that the world population is now over six billion, this would require a little purge so to speak, before the "maintaining" could kick in. For one, in the U.S. (and in sure it's the same else where in the world), they are running out of Social Security money, how are they going to take care of all the people? Do the math, it can't work. Eugenics is considered a real science by the way. Hey wasn't Hitlers obsession?! Yes it was. All this as the wool is systematiclly pulled over the the general populations eyes with tricky little words like "sustainability". Hey it sounds great on paper, sound like something's really gettin' done doesn't it, people really care don't they? Guess what? When they say,("they" meaning the global elitest), what they really mean is "save" it for their own greedy selves. Global warming is a crock of shit. It's all part of their plan to gain ultimate control.

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« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2010, 12:54:08 AM »
End Game
When the garden flowers baby are dead yes
and your mind is full of BREAD
your eyes, I say your eyes may look like his
but in your head baby I'm afraid you don't know where it is

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« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2015, 04:56:15 PM »
the planet can support billions more people.  what it can't support is capitalism, the mass consumption and destruction of the environment for profit.  thats what the elites realize, thus the conversion of society from capitalism to socialism to communism.  and this conversion, they know, will not be accepted by many, thus depopulation to the ones that try and fight it.  and its just too hard to keep control of 6 billion people, so again depopulation to a more manageable number in the process.

Excellent post.
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« Reply #34 on: June 11, 2015, 09:46:25 AM »
Women risk losing ability to give birth naturally  :o

A leading obstetrician has claimed women are at risk of being unable to give birth naturally in the future

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11627072/Women-risk-losing-ability-to-give-birth-naturally.htmlhttp://