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Offline TahoeBlue

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« Reply #80 on: April 03, 2013, 01:49:05 PM »
Not one non-catholic christian on Supreme Court:

http://www.factmonster.com/us/supreme-court/supreme-court-members.html
Current U.S. Supreme Court Members
The following table lists the current members of the United States Supreme Court, including the Chief Justice and eight Associate Justices.

Antonin Scalia, DC            Roman Catholic
Anthony M. Kennedy, Calif Roman Catholic
Clarence Thomas, DC        Roman Catholic
John G. Roberts, DC          Roman Catholic
Samuel A. Alito, Jr., N.J.    Roman Catholic
Sonia Sotomayor N.Y.        Roman Catholic


Ruth Bader Ginsburg, DC  Jewish
Stephen G. Breyer, Mass   Jewish
Elena Kagan N.Y.              Jewish

http://religions.pewforum.org/reports


http://maps.unomaha.edu/Peterson/geog1000/MapLinks/ReligionMaps.html
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« Reply #81 on: April 03, 2013, 02:43:30 PM »
Catholic Sec of State John Kerry Plus Yale Skull and Bones! ....
Oh and VP Biden is Catholic ...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kerry

Kerry was raised as a Roman Catholic by his Catholic father and Episcopalian mother  ( Rosemary Isabel (Forbes) Kerry (1913–2002), a World War II nurse and member of the wealthy Forbes family)    . As a child, Kerry served as an altar boy
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Kerry spent his summers at the Forbes family estate in Brittany, and there, he enjoyed a more opulent lifestyle than he had previously known in Massachusetts
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A Roman Catholic, Kerry was said to carry a rosary, a prayer book, and a St. Christopher medal (the patron saint of travelers) when he campaigned. However, while Kerry is personally against abortion, he supports a woman's legal right to have one, which puts him at odds with the Catholic Church
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he enrolled at St. Paul's School in Concord, New Hampshire, and graduated from there in 1962. Kerry learned skills in public speaking and began developing an interest in politics. In his free time, he enjoyed ice hockey and lacrosse, which he played on teams captained by classmate Robert S. Mueller III, the current director of the FBI.

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St. Paul's is a member of the Eight Schools Association, established in 1973 comprising Choate Rosemary Hall (known as Choate), Northfield Mount Hermon, Deerfield Academy, Hotchkiss School, Lawrenceville School, Phillips Academy (known as Andover), and Phillips Exeter Academy (known as Exeter).[2] It is also a member of the Independent School League, the oldest independent school athletic association in the United States
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teresa_Heinz_Kerry

Maria Teresa Thierstein Simões-Ferreira Heinz (born October 5, 1938), known as Teresa Heinz, is an American businesswoman and philanthropist, the widow of former U.S. Senator H. John Heinz III (R-Pennsylvania), and the wife of current U.S. Secretary of State and former U.S. Senator John Kerry (D-Massachusetts).

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Religion Roman Catholic
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Heinz is the life estate beneficiary or outright beneficiary of her husband's trusts, making her either extremely wealthy in her own name or powerful as a trustee of Heinz family wealth.[citation needed] Kerry is wealthy in his own right, though not to the same degree, since he became a trust fund beneficiary of his mother's and Forbes family trusts. Kerry and Heinz signed a prenuptial agreement and have kept their premarital assets separate.
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http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2004/09/27/040927fa_fact
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Teresa Heinz Kerry makes an unlikely rebel. She is a sixty-five-year-old Catholic billionaire, born into the colonial society of Mozambique, whose tastes, pieties, and hobbies—cultivating roses and collecting still-lifes—are those of a traditional, if not Victorian, lady. But when she calls herself “a child of Africa” one can hear an echo of Rousseau, and it reverberates in the impulsive salvos (playful, caustic, or profane) for which she has been ridiculed as “bonkers” and “a loose cannon


http://www.lifenews.com/2013/03/13/catholic-joe-biden-to-lead-u-s-delegation-to-greet-pope-francis/
Catholic” Joe Biden to Lead U.S. Delegation to Greet Pope Francis
by Steven Ertelt | Washington, DC | LifeNews.com | 3/13/13

Biden is the first Catholic to serve as vice president and he will represent the United States at the installation Mass for Pope Francis on March 19, Vatican spokesman the Rev. Tom Rosica confirmed today.

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Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

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« Reply #82 on: April 03, 2013, 08:37:20 PM »
Catholic Sec of State John Kerry Plus Yale Skull and Bones! ....
Oh and VP Biden is Catholic ...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kerry

Kerry was raised as a Roman Catholic by his Catholic father and Episcopalian mother  ( Rosemary Isabel (Forbes) Kerry (1913–2002), a World War II nurse and member of the wealthy Forbes family)    . As a child, Kerry served as an altar boy
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Kerry spent his summers at the Forbes family estate in Brittany, and there, he enjoyed a more opulent lifestyle than he had previously known in Massachusetts
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A Roman Catholic, Kerry was said to carry a rosary, a prayer book, and a St. Christopher medal (the patron saint of travelers) when he campaigned. However, while Kerry is personally against abortion, he supports a woman's legal right to have one, which puts him at odds with the Catholic Church
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he enrolled at St. Paul's School in Concord, New Hampshire, and graduated from there in 1962. Kerry learned skills in public speaking and began developing an interest in politics. In his free time, he enjoyed ice hockey and lacrosse, which he played on teams captained by classmate Robert S. Mueller III, the current director of the FBI.

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St. Paul's is a member of the Eight Schools Association, established in 1973 comprising Choate Rosemary Hall (known as Choate), Northfield Mount Hermon, Deerfield Academy, Hotchkiss School, Lawrenceville School, Phillips Academy (known as Andover), and Phillips Exeter Academy (known as Exeter).[2] It is also a member of the Independent School League, the oldest independent school athletic association in the United States
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teresa_Heinz_Kerry

Maria Teresa Thierstein Simões-Ferreira Heinz (born October 5, 1938), known as Teresa Heinz, is an American businesswoman and philanthropist, the widow of former U.S. Senator H. John Heinz III (R-Pennsylvania), and the wife of current U.S. Secretary of State and former U.S. Senator John Kerry (D-Massachusetts).

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Religion Roman Catholic
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Heinz is the life estate beneficiary or outright beneficiary of her husband's trusts, making her either extremely wealthy in her own name or powerful as a trustee of Heinz family wealth.[citation needed] Kerry is wealthy in his own right, though not to the same degree, since he became a trust fund beneficiary of his mother's and Forbes family trusts. Kerry and Heinz signed a prenuptial agreement and have kept their premarital assets separate.
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http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2004/09/27/040927fa_fact
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Teresa Heinz Kerry makes an unlikely rebel. She is a sixty-five-year-old Catholic billionaire, born into the colonial society of Mozambique, whose tastes, pieties, and hobbies—cultivating roses and collecting still-lifes—are those of a traditional, if not Victorian, lady. But when she calls herself “a child of Africa” one can hear an echo of Rousseau, and it reverberates in the impulsive salvos (playful, caustic, or profane) for which she has been ridiculed as “bonkers” and “a loose cannon


http://www.lifenews.com/2013/03/13/catholic-joe-biden-to-lead-u-s-delegation-to-greet-pope-francis/
Catholic” Joe Biden to Lead U.S. Delegation to Greet Pope Francis
by Steven Ertelt | Washington, DC | LifeNews.com | 3/13/13

Biden is the first Catholic to serve as vice president and he will represent the United States at the installation Mass for Pope Francis on March 19, Vatican spokesman the Rev. Tom Rosica confirmed today.

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Michael Matt, The Remnant, April 15, 2004, p. 5: “Take Senator John F. Kerry, for example, the first Catholic nominated for the presidency by either major party since 1960.  Kerry, whose paternal grandparents were Jewish, by the way, is doing a remarkably good Kennedy impersonation these days: ‘We have a separation of Church and state in this country,’ Kerry recently told Time magazine.  ‘As John Kennedy said very clearly, I will be a President who happens to be Catholic, not a Catholic president.’  On that, at least, we can agree with the gentleman from Massachusetts!  In fact, we would take it one step further by noting that presidential candidate Kerry isn’t Catholic at all.

     “Oh, yes, the former altar boy says he’s Catholic; he allegedly complains when his staff doesn’t leave adequate time on his schedule for Sunday Mass; his official web site announces that ‘John Kerry was raised in the Catholic faith and continues to be an active member of the Catholic church.’  But he’s not Catholic, and neither is his wife – another anti-Catholic who claims to be a practicing one.  John Kerry’s description of himself and his wife is simply untrue: “[I’m a] believing and practicing Catholic, married to another believing and practicing Catholic.’  Sounds nice.  Trouble is, John Kerry is an apostate.”

 John Kerry rejects Catholic teaching condemning abortion.

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« Reply #83 on: April 03, 2013, 09:42:33 PM »
 Pols,corp- relgions,Sects $$, supercorps Bankers, Gov agencys a-z,  NATO, UN and more laws that the LIL people must abide by and pay for.
What interconects these % of the NWO. power over the people,$$ mentaly,spiritualy,physically and equality.
 New worlld leadership, global control. USA , are we controlled, take a guess, go down menory lane for about a 1/2 centrury.
  You tell me! OK, this is the final kick in the groin, but they have been sucking on our nations base for many moons.
 Any suprises?

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« Reply #84 on: April 03, 2013, 09:56:34 PM »
Kerry is interesting cause he's rich $194 Million and his wife is richer ~1Billion and trustee to the Brookings Inst.
.. I don't think they care that he's a bad C as long as the money and influence keeps coming. He'll do as he's told (by his wife?)  


http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/10/billionaires08_Teresa-F-Heinz-Kerry_UZ1H.html

Fortune: inherited
Source: inheritance
Net Worth: $1.0 bil

Education: University of Witwatersrand, Bachelor of Arts / Science
University of Geneva Interpreters School, Master of Arts

Born and raised in Mozambique, attended South Africa's University of Witwatersrand, then an interpreters school in Geneva. Married 1966 to heir to ketchup factory H.J. Heinz Co., U.S. Senator Henry John Heinz, who died in plane crash 1991.

Married Senator John Kerry in 1995. Chairs Howard Heinz Endowment, Heinz Family Foundation: environmental causes, education, women's rights.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teresa_Heinz
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Philanthropy
 
Teresa Heinz is the chair of The Heinz Endowments and the Heinz Family Philanthropies, disbursing money to various social and environmental causes. She assists the City of Pittsburgh, where the Heinz family has many financial and family connections. In recognition of her philanthropy and activism,

Heinz has received 12 honorary doctoral degrees:
 Bank Street College of Education
 Beloit College
 Carlow University - Roman Catholic
 Carnegie Mellon University
 Clark University
 Drexel University
 Kenyon College
 Medical College of Pennsylvania
 Pine Manor College
 University of Massachusetts Boston
 University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
 Washington and Jefferson College
 University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg


http://www.nndb.com/people/602/000044470/

Religion: Roman Catholic
    Brookings Institution Trustee
    Friends of Dick Lugar
    Friends of Hillary
    Jefferson Awards Board of Selectors
    Obama for America
    Obama Victory Fund 2012
    United Negro College Fund
    Women's Campaign Forum
    Naturalized US Citizen 1971


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Brookings Institution
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« Reply #85 on: April 03, 2013, 10:03:21 PM »
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  Boycott Heinz

I'M A DEPLORABLE KNUCKLEHEAD THAT SUPPORTS PRESIDENT TRUMP.  MAY GOD BLESS HIM AND KEEP HIM SAFE.

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« Reply #86 on: April 04, 2013, 03:50:22 PM »
See, The NWO is just one big team - What would the jesuits say?


http://www.lifenews.com/2013/03/15/pro-abortion-catholic-nancy-pelosi-to-attend-pope-francis-inaugural/
Pro-Abortion “Catholic” Nancy Pelosi to Attend Pope Francis Inaugural
by Steven Ertelt | Washington, DC | LifeNews.com | 3/15/13

One of the least Catholic and most pro-abortion members of Congress, Democratic Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, has been added to the official U.S. delegation to attend the installation of newly-elected Pope Francis.
 
Pelosi will join pro-abortion Vice President Joe Biden to attend the Inauguration Mass celebrating the Pontificate of His Holiness Pope Francis, which will take place on March 19.
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In 2011, Pelosi was upset that the nation’s Catholic bishops protested the Obama administration decision forcing insurance companies to cover birth control, contraception and drugs that could cause abortions. They are upset certain religious groups may not be exempt from providing the insurance, which would violate their moral and religious views.
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Pelosi has been repeatedly at odds with the Catholic Church, in which she claims membership, over the issue of abortion.
 
She once called on a Catholic saint to help her and her pro-abortion colleague pass a Senate health care bill that contains massive abortion funding. Not only did Pelosi upset pro-life Catholics in so doing, but she got the date wrong concerning the saint she mentioned.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/02/pelosi-the-pope.html

Pelosi & the pope: Talk about an odd couple
February 17, 2009

The Vatican is said to be fuming that President Obama, in his first days in office, overturned a ban on using U.S. dollars to fund abortions overseas. The Vatican also frowns on U.S. approval for the first human trials using embryonic stem cells. And of course Pope Benedict XVI has said that abortion-rights Catholics like Pelosi should not receive Communion.

As for Pelosi, she might want to ask the pope about his recent decision to rehabilitate a bishop who denied the existence of the Holocaust, or his appointment of a bishop in Austria who had blamed the sins of New Orleans residents for the devastation wrought by Hurricane Katrina.

All of which is likely to fuel a continuing debate in Catholic circles, as the New York Times put it, about whether this pope's focus on doctrine could alienate mainstream Catholics like Pelosi.

The two have met before. In fact, when she received the pope on a visit to the U.S. last year, Pelosi gave him the respectful greeting of a hand kiss.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condoleezza_Rice



In 1967, the family moved to Denver, Colorado. She attended St. Mary's Academy, an all-girls Catholic high school in Cherry Hills Village, Colorado, graduating at the age of 16 in 1971
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She attended an international politics course taught by Josef Korbel, which sparked her interest in the Soviet Union and international relations. Rice later described Korbel (who was the father of Madeleine Albright, a future U.S. Secretary of State), as a central figure in her life
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Rice was a Democrat until 1982, when she changed her political affiliation to Republican
Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

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« Reply #87 on: April 04, 2013, 10:01:54 PM »
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB104/index.htm
KISSINGER TO ARGENTINES ON DIRTY WAR: "THE QUICKER YOU SUCCEED THE BETTER"


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Washington, D.C., 4 December 2003 - Newly declassified State Department documents obtained by the National Security Archive under the Freedom of Information Act show that in October 1976, Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and high ranking U.S. officials gave their full support to the Argentine military junta and urged them to hurry up and finish the "dirty war" before the U.S. Congress cut military aid.


in Buenos Aires and stolen refugee records[/b][/size]. The day after Guzzetti and Secretary Kissinger met, on June 11, twenty-four Chilean and Uruguayan refugees were kidnapped, held illegally for two days, and tortured by a combined Argentine-Chilean-Uruguayan squadron.


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Kissinger's boys in
the administration
by Robert Zubrin and Kathleen Klenetsky
British agent Henry Kissinger is still exerting substantial control over U.S. foreign policy through a network of proteges, who served under him at the National Security Council (NSC) or in the State Department, and who now occupy key positions in the Reagan administration. The following is a partial list of Kissinger's forces.

Alexander Haig. Secretary of State, was Kissinger's top aide in the Nixon NSC from 1969 to 1973. During that time he helped Kissinger wreck the Rogers Plan to bring permanent peace to the Middle East and assisted Kissinger in Middle East War, which kicked off the first oil hoax. In 1974, Haig, as White House Chief of Staff, was Kissinger's key ally in orchestrating the White House coup which forced Nixon out of office.
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Frank Carlucci, Deputy Secretary of Defense, was Kissinger's representative as U.S. Ambassador to Portugal from 1975 to 1977, at a time when NATO made repeated attempts to organize a military coup counterrevolution in that country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Colby
William Egan Colby (January 4, 1920 – April 27, 1996) spent a career in intelligence for the United States, culminating in holding the post of Director of Central Intelligence (DCI) from September 1973 to January 1976.
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Colby was for most of his life a staunch Roman Catholic.[1] He was often referred to as "the warrior-priest." He married Barbara Heinzen in 1945 and they had five children. The Catholic Church played a "central role" in the family's life, with Colby's two daughters receiving their first communion at St. Peter's Basilica.[2] In 1984, he divorced Barbara and married Democratic diplomat Sally Shelton-Colby.
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After the war, Colby graduated from Columbia Law School and then briefly practiced law in [ WIlld Bill] William Joseph Donovan's New York firm. Bored by the practice of law and inspired by his liberal beliefs, he moved to Washington to work for the National Labor Relations Board.
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'Operation Condor' trial begins in Buenos Aires - WALB.com, Albany ...
www.walb.com/story/21523707/www.walb.com

Mar 5, 2013 – Argentina has begun a long-awaited human rights trial focused on Operation Condor, the effort by South America's dictators in 1976 to work together to eliminate leftist ... Casey Anthony comes out of seclusion in Tampa, Fla.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_Central_Intelligence#George_H._W._Bush_1976.E2.80.931977
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William Colby 1973–1976
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Colby's time as DCI was also eventful on the world stage. Shortly after he assumed leadership, the Yom Kippur War broke out, an event that surprised not only the American intelligence agencies but also the Israelis. This intelligence surprise reportedly affected Colby's credibility with the Nixon Administration. Meanwhile, after many years of involvement, South Vietnam fell to Communist forces in April 1975, a particularly difficult blow for Colby, who had dedicated so much of his life and career to the American effort there. Events in the arms control field, Angola, the Middle East, and elsewhere also demanded attention.
Henry K cleans his nose and its his snots, orders eradication/ assassinations with the wave of a hand and a voice that rattles my very bones,
HK asside, Bill Colby imploded the CIA and subsidiaries, his recruitmen ts are legend, his methods technically sadistic. He was a high tech machine in a skinsuit, a very intimidating creature, brilliant, sadistic, extension of the elites and provider of forces within until this day we can not entirely make a judgement as to the degree of influence this man created within the system.
 This guy could sit across from you and ask question without one body movement or telltale emotion whatsoever as if he was a robot in a skinsuit. His eyes pentrated with so much as a blink during any discussion, his mind was focused on one goal only, establishing a circle of inner power and foreign contrators that would make you head spin. Phoenix program was basically headhunters, with get out jail free cards, exempt for military justice. Westmorlenad and Casey were on the same channel, Casey was more intelligent than Westy knew it and Casey reach into the dark side was impenetrable..Call it what you like scuttlebutt, or unidentified brass in total submission.
 Hope I'm' not inf the map, but Casey rings bells that are deafening. Admittedly he had masters, but he was a fine tuned tool of the needs.  Intelligence is an attribute that can used to develop humanity or bring it down on a national level. Genius level insiders are hand picked for the Pyschiopthic traits. Aren't they mostly of this mentaility, Inhuman!

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« Reply #88 on: April 05, 2013, 12:39:31 PM »
It's interesting how Piers Morgan is supposedly a Catholic, no jesuit training, ... Couldn't find a picture of him with the pope dang ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piers_Morgan

Piers Stefan O'Meara

Piers Morgan was born on 30 March 1965, in Guildford, Surrey, England, to Eamon Vincent O'Meara, a dentist, of Dorking, Surrey,[5] and Gabrielle Georgina Sybille (née Oliver).[6]

His father died when he was one year old and his mother subsequently remarried.

He has three older siblings.[7] Named Piers Stefan Pughe-Morgan by his stepfather, Morgan attended the independent school Cumnor House[8] from the ages of seven to thirteen, and then Chailey School, a comprehensive secondary school in Chailey, near Lewes, East Sussex, followed by Lewes Priory School for sixth form.[9] Morgan studied Journalism at Harlow College. After a brief career at Lloyds of London, he joined the Surrey and South London Newspaper Group in 1985,[10] where he worked as a reporter on the South London News, and the Streatham and Tooting News. Morgan was recruited (he says headhunted by editor Kelvin MacKenzie) to join The Sun newspaper, to work on the Bizarre column.
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[ Here's Piers with interviewing a supposed Athiest: ]

http://www.christianpost.com/news/atheist-penn-jillette-defends-popes-position-and-catholic-church-to-piers-morgan-91536/
Atheist Penn Jillette Defends Pope's Position and Catholic Church to Piers Morgan
By Dayna Lovelady, CP Contributor
March 8, 2013|6:58 pm
 
Atheist and magician Penn Jillette defended the pope's position and Catholicism in a fiery exchange with CNN's Piers Morgan, who is Catholic, in a recent interview.
 
Jillette, author of Every Day is an Atheist Holiday and God, No!, said to Morgan in a Feb. 28 "Piers Morgan Tonight" show, "Well, I think I may be somebody who believes in the Pope's position more than most Catholics. I really take people at their word. And it seems like all of the cynicism and all of the – who are we going to get in, modernizing – there's not supposed to be modernizing. It's supposed to be [the] word of God."
 
The famed atheist magician then asked Morgan, "You call yourself a Catholic. Don't you follow everything?"
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Morgan replied, "No, that's the point. I have become increasingly like many young Catholics, I think, really disgruntled by the failure of successive popes and the Vatican to move at all with the times when society is changing so fast."
 
Seeming to better understand the claims of those of the Catholic faith than Morgan does, Jillette stated, "This is great, what side you're picking here. I would say on my side that if you have someone who is a conduit to God and is speaking God's word, even if you can't understand exactly what God's plan is, even if you do see suffering, that you consider unacceptable, or any suffering is unacceptable, that still doesn't mean you get to vote on what God actually believes."
 
Morgan listed some of the Roman Catholic dogmas that are not spelled out in Scripture, such as Catholic priests not being able to marry, divorced Catholics not remarrying in church and that female priests can't be ordained. He stated that none of these things actually came from Jesus Christ's mouth, causing Jillette to respond by saying that Morgan sounded like a Protestant.

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Here's Piers interviewing catholic Santorum:

http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/13/rick-santorum-the-biggest-problem-with-the-catholic-church-is-its-run-by-human-beings/
Rick Santorum: "The biggest problem with the Catholic Church is it's run by human beings"
March 13th, 2013
10:14 PM ET

As Catholics around the world celebrate a newly elected pope, this evening "Piers Morgan Live" invited Rick Santorum to share his reactions and insights to an event watched worldwide.

"I was teary-eyed when I saw," said the former Republic presidential candidate, in describing the first appearance of Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio now known as Pope Francis. "It's an incredibly moving moment, and to see the humility of this man – obviously, a man who is very much of the people, exactly as some of your commentators were saying – exactly what the Church needs right now, is someone who focuses on holiness, focuses on the mission of the Church which is to serve God, and serve His people here on Earth, and it seems like [that's] what Pope Francis has in mind."
 
Asked by Piers Morgan about the contrast of a new pope who's described by some as being progressive, as compared to an institution that's notoriously conservative, the man who achieved the historic "Santorum Sweep" detailed what he sees as some of the major concerns facing the famed religious establishment:
 
"What we're talking about here is the operation of the Church. The biggest problem with the Catholic Church is it's run by human beings," noted Santorum. "It's fallible in the sense that people in those organizations make mistakes and they do things the wrong way."
 
Watch the clip, and listen to the interview, as the former presidential candidate and devout Catholic describes the new pope as being less of a "progressive conservative," and more of a "Christ-like leader."
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[ Here Piers Morgan Interviews Catholic Ted Nugent: ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=V3f6gQUqW7c

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/05/ted-nugent-piers-morgan-gun-control_n_2621920.html
Ted Nugent Blasts Piers Morgan, Defends Gun Owners: 'Would You Leave Us The Hell Alone?' (VIDEO)

The Huffington Post  |  By Cavan Sieczkowski Posted: 02/05/2013 10:31 am EST

Ted Nugent got fired up while discussing gun control and gun ownership with Piers Morgan and pointedly asked the CNN host: "Would you leave us the hell alone?"

Morgan headed to Texas, where he met with the Detroit rocker and unabashed gun advocate for a sit-down at a local gun range. What materialized was an explosive interview in which Nugent accused Morgan of having an obsession with guns.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Nugent
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Raised Catholic, Nugent has mentioned his ties with the Christian faith many times during interviews, and has stated that he regularly attends church. He attended St. Viator High School in Arlington Heights, IL and William Fremd High School in Palatine, Il.
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After settling down on a ranch in Michigan in 1973, Nugent signed a record deal with Frank Zappa's DiscReet Records label and recorded Call of the Wild. The


[ Did anyone know that Frank zappa came from a Catholic family? ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Zappa
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Frank Vincent Zappa[1] was born in Baltimore, Maryland, on December 21, 1940. His mother, Rose Marie (née Colimore), was of Italian and French ancestry; his father, Francis Vincent Zappa, was an immigrant from Partinico, Sicily.[2] Zappa, the eldest of four children, was raised in an Italian-American household where Italian was spoken often by his grandparents.[3][4] The family moved often because his father, a chemist and mathematician, worked in the defense industry. After a time in Florida in the 1940s, the family returned to Maryland, where Zappa's father worked at the Edgewood Arsenal chemical warfare facility of the Aberdeen Proving Ground. Due to their home's proximity to the arsenal, which stored mustard gas, gas masks were kept in the home.[5] This had a profound effect on Zappa, and references to germs, germ warfare and the defense industry occur throughout his work ...

http://www.nndb.com/people/737/000024665/

Frank Zappa
Religion: Atheist
Frank Vincent Zappa, born in Baltimore to a Catholic family


Frank zappa / Catholic girls

[ Oh and then there's Catholic Michael Moore interviewed with Piers Morgan: ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Moore
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Moore was brought up Catholic,[12] and has Irish ancestry.[13] He attended parochial St. John's Elementary School for primary school and later attended St. Paul's Seminary in Saginaw, Michigan, for a year.[8][14][15][16][17] He then attended Davison High School, where he was active in both drama and debate,[18] graduating in 1972. As a member of the Boy Scouts of America, he achieved the rank of Eagle Scout.[8] At the age of 18, he was elected to the Davison school board.[19]
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Moore is a Catholic,[3][21] but has said he disagrees with church teaching on subjects such as abortion[22] and same-sex marriage




http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1303/19/pmt.01.html
PIERS MORGAN TONIGHT
Interview with Michael Moore
Aired March 19, 2013 - 21:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

PIERS MORGAN, HOST: Tonight an hour with Michael Moore. My exclusive interview with the director of "Bowling for Columbine" and "Fahrenheit 9/11" talking about the 10th anniversary of shock and awe.

Are the Catholic Church would change under Pope Francis?

And of course guns in America.

MICHAEL MOORE, DOCUMENTARY FILMMAKER: Guns don't kill people. Americans kill people. We're -- we do this more than anybody else.

MORGAN: The right to bear arms.

MOORE: Now if the founding fathers could have looked into a crystal ball and seen AK-47s and Glock semi-automatic pistols I think they would say, you know, that's not really what we mean when we say bear arms.

MORGAN: Why in the wake of a tragedy at Newtown Michael Moore has changed his mind about this.

MOORE: I am not going to come on another damn TV show either after the next shooting, Piers.

MORGAN: This is PIERS MORGAN LIVE. And I'm here with my special guest, Michael Moore. We've got a lot to talk about tonight. He's a passionate advocate of gun control. I know he has strong feelings about Harry Reid's decision on the Senate today to drop a proposed ban on semi-automatic weapons in the wake of the appalling slaughter in Newtown. Are the senators' actions indefensible?
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http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/moore-leave-piers-alone-85559.html
Michael Moore: ‘Leave Piers alone!’
KATIE GLUECK | 12/28/12 9:06 AM EST

Filmmaker and activist Michael Moore is coming to the defense of Piers Morgan, the CNN host who is the subject of a petition that demands the White House deport him.
 
“Leave Piers alone! So sad that the host on American TV to speak out the loudest against this madness is not one of us, but a Brit,” Moore tweeted on Thursday

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[ Oh and then there's Jeb Bush (Now Catholic and Piers Morgan : ]


http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/RSaapgavilh/Pope+Benedict+XVI+Holds+First+Mass+Saint+Peter/AlYUj-MQFoO/Jeb+Bush


Pope Benedict XVI (R) greets U.S. President George W. Bush's brother and Governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush, in St Peter's basilica after celebrating mass April 24, 2005 in Vatican City. Hundreds of thousands of pilgrims attended the mass led by the 265th Pope of the Roman Catholic Church.

http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/28/tonight-jeb-bush/
August 28th, 2012

06:44 PM ET
Tonight: Jeb Bush


Coming up this evening, Piers Morgan welcomes Jeb Bush to the program. As the former governor of Florida, one of the key battleground states of the election, Bush shares his unique perspective on the election and weighs in on the Romney campaign.

"He’s been reluctant to share what’s in his heart and who he is," says the son and brother of two former presidents about Mitt Romney's public persona. Bush notes Romney has been the subject of many television attack ads that turn Romney "into the devil incarnate."

"The guy's [Romney] had the barked scraped off of him by an opponent who wants to change the conversation as quick as possible away from his economic policy," Bush says about Barack Obama's campaign tactics.

Tune in to "Piers Morgan Tonight" live at midnight as Morgan continues his coverage of the Republican National Convention in Tampa, Fla.

http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/12/jeb-bush-on-education-and-the-link-between-economic-prosperity-and-the-ability-to-acquire-knowledge/
October 12th, 2011
Gov. Jeb Bush on education and "the link between economic prosperity and the ability to acquire knowledge"

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush was a guest on "Piers Morgan Tonight" for the hour this evening, and talked about the importance of education and his new new initiatives. "I was blessed to have a mother and father that recognized the value of education," Bush told Piers Morgan. "As governor, I saw the link between economic prosperity and the ability to acquire knowledge."
 
Said Bush: "There's a direct link between percentage of young people that are educated and how we live our lives."
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http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=34357
Jeb Bush indicated he doesn’t think his older brother, former President George W. Bush, will convert to Catholicism

NEW YORK, NY (The Deacons Bench) - After gobbling up tons of bandwidth over the Kennedys, let's now turn to the other side of the aisle, and another political dynasty, okay?
 
Rumblings about George W. Bush converting to Catholicism have been heard since before he left office.
 
And the other day, his brother had something to say about that:

"At Communion and Liberation’s annual Rimini Meeting last week, Jeb Bush, the former governor of Florida, spoke about why he decided to become a Catholic and of his opposition to those elected officials who think they should keep their faith “in a safety deposit box.”
 
"Bush also indicated he doesn’t think it’s likely his older brother, former President George W. Bush, will convert to Catholicism.
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A former Episcopalian who was received into the Church in 1995, Bush said, “In the United States many people think that to keep your faith, you need to put it into a safety deposit box if you’re an elected official until you finish your service as a public servant, and then you can go and get it back. I never thought that was appropriate.”
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeb_Bush

Religious affiliation
 
In 1995, Bush converted from Anglicanism to Catholicism.[16] For many years, he and his wife have attended the Church of the Epiphany, a Catholic parish located in Miami. Bush is a Third Degree Knight of Columbus according to an August 3, 2004, speech his brother, George W. Bush, made at the 122nd Knights of Columbus Convention in Dallas, Texas.

The following is an excerpt from the speech:
 "I'm proud to say that my family has contributed to your ranks. A few years ago, Governor Jeb became a Knight. And he—yes—and he recently took his Third Degree. I'll see him this weekend. His son is getting married. I'll pass on the word, aim for the Fourth."[17]
In 2004, Jeb Bush (while still governor) was inducted into the Fourth Degree by Gary L. McLain at a ceremony held Nov. 1. Bush, a member of Father Hugon Council 3521 in Tallahassee, joined Father Hugon Assembly.[citation needed]

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2004/08/images/20040803-11_dallas2-515h.html

President George W. Bush greets members of the Knights of Columbus after remarks to the 122nd Annual Knights of Columbus Convention in Dallas, Texas, Tuesday, Aug. 3, 2004.



[ Oh and then there's Newt Gingrich (coverted Catholic) and Piers Morgan ] :

http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/13/live-tonight-rick-santorum-and-newt-gingrich-on-the-new-pope/

March 13th, 2013
Live Tonight: Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich on the new pope
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Additionally, a longtime rival of Santorum's from days debating during the GOP primaries, tonight Newt Gingrich visits "Piers Morgan Live," most certainly bringing along his trademark brand of candor and humor.

During Gingrich's most-recent interview with Morgan, the former House Speaker left the host remembering how much he loves arguing with a man he calls one of his favorite guests.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_bN4sRPeoM
Newt Gingrich vs Piers Morgan on Gun Control Debate

http://www.christianpost.com/news/catholic-politicians-you-thought-were-evangelical-69951/
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Newt Gingrich
 
Republican Presidential Candidate and former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich was baptized at a Southern Baptist church in New Orleans while he was attending graduate school. His conversion to Catholicism in 2009 came after he began attending mass in 2000 with his third wife, Callista.
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Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

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« Reply #89 on: April 05, 2013, 01:59:07 PM »
Please read this to the very end! I recommend reading at the link below as it shows copies of letters, etc.

My synopsis of article below: Pope Francis was a part of military takeover of Argentina in which approximately 30,000 people were murdered by pushing them out of military planes into a river or the Atlantic Ocean. Pope Francis has connections with David Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger.  This article below states they believe Francis to be an undercover in US politics in Washington. Long article but worth reading.



http://www.globalresearch.ca/washingtons-pope-who-is-francis-i-cardinal-jorge-mario-bergoglio-and-argentinas-dirty-war/5326675

“Washington’s Pope”? Who is Pope Francis I? Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio and Argentina’s “Dirty War”

Who is Jorge Mario Bergoglio?
 
In 1973, he had been appointed “Provincial” of Argentina for the Society of Jesus.
 
In this capacity, Bergoglio was the highest ranking Jesuit in Argentina during the military dictatorship led by General Jorge Videla (1976-1983).
 
He later became bishop and archbishop of Buenos Aires. Pope John Paul II elevated him to the title of cardinal in 2001
 
When the military junta relinquished power in 1983, the duly elected president Raúl Alfonsín set up a Truth Commission pertaining to the crimes underlying the “Dirty War” (La Guerra Sucia).
 
The military junta had been supported covertly by Washington.
 
US. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger played a behind the scenes role in the 1976 military coup.

Kissinger’s top deputy on Latin America, William Rogers, told him two days after the coup that “we’ve got to expect a fair amount of repression, probably a good deal of blood, in Argentina before too long.” … (National Security Archive, March 23, 2006)

Operation Condor”
 
Ironically, a major trial opened up in Buenos Aires on March 5, 2013 a week prior to Cardinal Bergoglio’s investiture as Pontiff. The ongoing trial in Buenos Aires is: “to consider the totality of crimes carried out under Operation Condor, a coordinated campaign by various US-backed Latin American dictatorships in the 1970s and 1980s to hunt down, torture and murder tens of thousands of opponents of those regimes.”

The military junta led by General Jorge Videla (left) was responsible for countless assassinations, including priests and nuns who opposed military rule following the CIA sponsored March 24, 1976 coup which overthrew the government of Isabel Peron:
 
”Videla was among the generals convicted of human rights crimes, including “disappearances”, torture, murders and kidnappings. In 1985, Videla was sentenced to life imprisonment at the military prison of Magdalena.”

One of the key appointments of the military junta (on the instructions of Wall Street) was the Minister of Economy, Jose Alfredo Martinez de Hoz, a member of Argentina’s business establishment and a close friend of David Rockefeller.
 
The neoliberal macro-economic policy package adopted under Martinez de Hoz was a “carbon copy” of that imposed in October 1973 in Chile by the Pinochet dictatorship under advice from the  “Chicago Boys”, following the September 11, 1973 coup d’Etat and the assassination of president Salvador Allende.
 
Wages were immediately frozen by decree. Real purchasing power collapsed by more than 30 percent in the 3 months following the March 24, 1976 military coup. (Author’s estimates, Cordoba, Argentina, July 1976). The Argentinean population was impoverished.

Under the helm of Minister of Economy Jose Alfredo Martinez de Hoz, central bank monetary policy was largely determined by Wall Street and the IMF. The currency market was manipulated. The Peso was deliberately overvalued leading to an insurmountable external debt. The entire national economy was precipitated into bankruptcy.

Wall Street and the Catholic Church Hierarchy
 
Wall Street was firmly behind the military Junta which waged “The Dirty War” on its behalf. In turn, the Catholic Church hierarchy played a central role in sustaining the legitimacy of the military Junta.
 
The Order of Jesus –which represented the Conservative yet most influential faction within the Catholic Church, closely associated with Argentina’s economic elites– was firmly behind the military Junta, against so-called “Leftists” in the Peronista movement.
 
“The Dirty War”: Allegations directed Against Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio

Condemning the military dictatorship (including its human rights violations) was a taboo within the Catholic Church.  While the upper echelons of the Church were supportive of the military Junta, the grassroots of the Church was firmly opposed to the imposition of military rule.
 
In 2005, human rights lawyer Myriam Bregman filed a criminal suit against Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, accusing him of conspiring with the military junta in the 1976 kidnapping of two Jesuit priests.
 
Several years later, the survivors of the “Dirty War” openly accused Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio of complicity in the kidnapping of  priests Francisco Jalics y Orlando Yorio as well six members of their parish,  (El Mundo, 8 November 2010)

Bergoglio, who at the time was “Provincial” for the Society of Jesus, had ordered the two “Leftist” Jesuit priests and opponents of military rule  “to leave their pastoral work” (i.e. they were fired) following divisions within the Society of Jesus regarding the role of the Catholic Church and its relations to the military Junta.
 
While the two priests Francisco Jalics y Orlando Yorio, kidnapped by the death squads in May 1976 were released five months later. after having been tortured, six other people associated with their parish kidnapped as part of the same operation were “disappeared” (desaparecidos). These included four teachers associated with the parish and two of their husbands.
 
Upon his release, Priest Orlando Yorio “accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over [including six other people] to the death squads … Jalics refused to discuss the complaint after moving into seclusion in a German monastery.” (Associated Press, March 13, 2013, emphasis added),
 
“During the first trial of leaders of the military junta in 1985, Yorio declared, “I am sure that he himself gave over the list with our names to the Navy.” The two were taken to the notorious Navy School of Mechanics (ESMA) torture center and held for over five months before being drugged and dumped in a town outside the city. (See Bill van Auken, “The Dirty War” Pope, World Socialist Website and Global Research, March 14, 2013

Among those “disappeared” by the death squads were Mónica Candelaria Mignone and María Marta Vázquez Ocampo, respectively daughter of the founder of of the CELS (Centro de Estudios Legales y Sociales) Emilio Mignone and daughter of the president of Madres de Plaza de Mayo, Martha Ocampo de Vázquez. (El Periodista Online, March 2013).

María Marta Vásquez, her husband César Lugones (see picture right) and Mónica Candelaria Mignone allegedly “handed over to the death squads” by Jesuit “Provincial” Jorge Mario Bergoglio are among the thousands of “desaparecidos” (disappeared) of Argentina’s “Dirty War”, which was supported covertly by Washington under “Operation Condor”. (See memorialmagro.com.ar)
 
In the course of the trial initiated in 2005:
 

“Bergoglio [Pope Francis I] twice invoked his right under Argentine law to refuse to appear in open court, and when he eventually did testify in 2010, his answers were evasive”: “At least two cases directly involved Bergoglio. One examined the torture of two of his Jesuit priests — Orlando Yorio and Francisco Jalics — who were kidnapped in 1976 from the slums where they advocated liberation theology. Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads… by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work. Jalics refused to discuss it after moving into seclusion in a German monastery.” (Los Angeles Times, April 1, 2005)
 
The Secret Memorandum
 
[This section was added on March 19, 2013]

The military government acknowledged in a Secret Memo (see below) that Father Bergoglio had accused the two priests of having established contacts with the guerilleros, and for having disobeyed the orders of the Church hierarchy (Conflictos de obedecencia). It also states that the Jesuit order had demanded the dissolution of  their group and that they had refused to abide by Bergoglio’s instructions.
 
The document acknowledges that the “arrest” of the two priests, who were taken to the torture and detention center at the Naval School of Mechanics, ESMA, was based on information transmitted by Father Bergoglio to the military authorities. (signed by Mr. Orcoyen) (document shown at link above)
 
While a former member of  the priests group had joined the insurgency, there was no evidence of the priests having contacts with the guerrilla movement.


The entire Catholic hierarchy was behind the US sponsored military dictatorship.  It is worth recalling that on March 23, 1976, on the eve of the military coup:
 

“Videla and other plotters received the blessing of the Archbishop of Paraná, Adolfo Tortolo, who also served as vicar of the armed forces. The day of the takeover itself, the military leaders had a lengthy meeting with the leaders of the bishop’s conference. As he emerged from that meeting, Archbishop Tortolo stated that although “the church has its own specific mission . . . there are circumstances in which it cannot refrain from participating even when it is a matter of problems related to the specific order of the state.” He urged Argentinians to “cooperate in a positive way” with the new government.” (The Humanist.org, January 2011, emphasis added)
 
In an interview conducted with El Sur, General Jorge Videla, who is now serving a life sentence for crimes against humanity confirmed that:
 

“He kept the country’s Catholic hierarchy informed about his regime’s policy of “disappearing” political opponents, and that Catholic leaders offered advice on how to “manage” the policy.
 
Jorge Videla said he had “many conversations” with Argentina’s primate, Cardinal Raúl Francisco Primatesta, about his regime’s dirty war against left-wing activists. He said there were also conversations with other leading bishops from Argentina’s episcopal conference as well as with the country’s papal nuncio at the time, Pio Laghi.
 
“They advised us about the manner in which to deal with the situation,” said Videla” (Tom Henningan, Former Argentinian dictator says he told Catholic Church of disappeared,  Irish Times, July 24, 2012, emphasis added)
 
It is worth noting that according to a 1976 statement by Archbishop Adolfo Tortolo, the military would always consult with a member of the Catholic hierarchy in the case of the “arrest” of a grassroots member of  the clergy. This statement was made specifically in relation to the two kidnapped Jesuit priests, whose pastoral activities were under the authority of Society of Jesus “provincial” Jorge Mario Bergoglio. (El Periodista Online, March 2013).

In endorsing the military Junta, the Catholic hierarchy was complicit in torture and mass killings, an estimated “22,000 dead and disappeared, from 1976 to  1978  … Thousands of additional victims were killed between 1978 and 1983 when the military was forced from power.” (National Security Archive, March 23, 2006).
 
The Role of the Vatican

The Vatican under Pope Paul VI and Pope John Paul II played a central  role in supporting the Argentinian military Junta.
 
Pio Laghi, the Vatican’s apostolic nuncio to Argentina admitted “turning a blind eye” to the torture and massacres.
 
Laghi had personal ties to members of the ruling military junta including  General Jorge Videla and Admiral Emilio Eduardo Massera.
 
(See image left. Vatican’s Nuncio Pio Laghi and General Jorge Videla)
 
Admiral Emilio Massera in close liaison with his US handlers, was the mastermind of “La Guerra Sucia” (The Dirty War). Under the auspices of the military regime, he established:
 
“an interrogation and torture centre in the Naval School of Mechanics, ESMA [close to Buenos Aires], … It was a sophisticated, multi-purpose establishment, vital in the military plan to assassinate an estimated 30,000 “enemies of the state”. …  Many thousands of ESMA’s inmates, including, for instance, two French nuns, were routinely tortured mercilessly before being killed or dropped from aircraft into the River Plata.

Massera, the most forceful member of the triumvirate, did his best to maintain his links with Washington. He assisted in the development of Plan Cóndor, a collaborative scheme to co-ordinate the terrorism being practised by South American military régimes. (Hugh O’Shaughnessy, Admiral Emilio Massera: Naval officer who took part in the 1976 coup in Argentina and was later jailed for his part in the junta’s crimes, The Independent, November 10, 2010, emphasis added)

Reports confirm that the Vatican’s representative Pio Laghi and Admiral Emilio Massera were friends.

The Catholic Church: Chile versus Argentina
 
It is worth noting that  in the wake of the military coup in Chile on September 11,1973, the Cardinal of Santiago de Chile, Raul Silva Henriquez openly condemned the military junta led by General Augusto Pinochet. In marked contrast to Argentina, this stance of the Catholic hierarchy in Chile was instrumental in curbing the tide of political assassinations and human rights violations directed against supporters of Salvador Allende  and opponents of the military regime.
 

The man behind the interfaith Comité Pro-Paz was Cardinal Raúl Silva Henríquez. Shortly after the coup, Silva, … stepped into the role of “upstander,”a term the author and activist Samantha Power coined to distinguish people who stand up to injustice—often at great personal risk—from “bystanders.”
 
… Soon after the coup, Silva and other church leaders published a declaration condemning and expressing sorrow for the bloodshed. This was a fundamental turning point for many members of the Chilean clergy… The cardinal visited the National Stadium and, shocked by the scale of the government crackdown, instructed his aides to begin collecting information from the thousands flocking to the church for refuge.
 
Silva’s actions led to an open conflict with Pinochet, who did not hesitate to threaten the church and the Comité  Pro-Paz. (Taking a Stand Against Pinochet: The Catholic Church and the Disappeared pdf)

Had the Catholic hierarchy in Argentina  and Jorge Mario Bergoglio taken a similar stance to that of Cardinal Raul Silva Henriquez, thousands of lives would have been saved.
 
Jorge Mario Bergoglio was not, in the words of Samantha Powers, a “bystander”. He was complicit in extensive crimes against humanity.
 
Neither is Pope Francis “a Man of the People” committed to “helping the poor” in the footsteps of Saint Francis of Assisi, as portrayed in chorus by the Western media mantra. Quite the opposite: his endeavors under the military Junta, consistently targeted progressive members of the Catholic clergy as well as committed human rights activists involved in grassroots anti-poverty programs.
 
In supporting Argentina’s “Dirty War”, Jorge Mario Bergoglio has blatantly violated the very tenets of Christian morality which cherish  the value of human life.  Author’s message to Pope Francis: “Thou shalt not kill”
 
“Operation Condor” and the Catholic Church
 
The election of Cardinal Bergoglio by the Vatican conclave to serve as Pope Francis I will have immediate repercussions regarding the ongoing “Operation Condor” Trial in Buenos Aires.
 
The Church was involved in supporting the military Junta.  This is something which will emerge in the course of the trial proceedings.  No doubt, there will be attempts to obfuscate the role of the Catholic hierarchy and the newly appointed Pope Francis I,  who served as head of Argentina’s Jesuit order during the military dictatorship.
 
Jorge Mario Bergoglio:  “Washington’s Pope in the Vatican”?  

The election of Pope Francis I has broad geopolitical implications for the entire Latin American  region.
 
In the 1970s, Jorge Mario Bergoglio was supportive of a US sponsored military dictatorship.
 
The Catholic hierarchy in Argentina supported the military government. The Junta’s program of torture, assassinations and ‘disappearances” of thousands of political opponents was coordinated and supported by Washington under the CIA’s “Operation Condor”.
 
Wall Street’s interests were sustained through Jose Alfredo Martinez de Hoz’ office at the Ministry of Economy.
 
The Catholic Church in Latin America is politically influential. It also has a grip on public opinion. This is known and understood by the architects of US foreign policy as well as US intelligence.
 
In Latin America, where a number of governments are now challenging US hegemony, one would expect –given Bergoglio’s track record–  that the new Pontiff Francis I as leader of the Catholic Church, will play de facto, a discrete “undercover” political role on behalf of Washington.

With Jorge Bergoglio, Pope Francis I  in the Vatican –who faithfully served US interests in the heyday of General Jorge Videla and Admiral Emilio Massera–  the hierarchy of the Catholic Church in Latin America can once again be effectively manipulated to undermine “progressive” (Leftist) governments, not only in Argentina (in relation to the government of Cristina Kirschner) but throughout the entire region, including Venezuela, Ecuador and Bolivia.
 
The instatement of  “a pro-US pope” occurred a week following the death of  president Hugo Chavez.
 
“Regime Change” at the Vatican
 

The US State Department routinely pressures members of the United Security Council with a view to influencing the vote pertaining to Security Council resolutions.
 
US covert operations and propaganda campaigns are routinely applied with a view to influencing national elections in different countries around the World.
 
Similarly, the CIA has a longstanding covert relationship with the Vatican.
 
Did the US government attempt to influence the outcome of the election of the new pontiff?
 
Firmly committed to serving US foreign policy interests in Latin America, Jorge Mario Bergoglio was Washington’s preferred candidate.
 
Were undercover pressures discretely exerted by Washington, within the Catholic Church, directly or indirectly, on the 115 cardinals who are members of the Vatican conclave?



 

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Re: New Pope was announced 3hrs ago...
« Reply #90 on: April 05, 2013, 03:28:29 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaWlfsqWEoM
The Bilderberg Group was founded by Jesuit Joseph Retinger and SMOM Prince Bernard
The Europian Union was designed by Jesuit A. de Gasperi SJ
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcide_De_Gasperi )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3zef_Retinger
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Retinger initiated the Bilderberg conferences (1954) and was their secretary until his death (lung cancer) in 1960

http://ecumenistan.wikia.com/wiki/Joseph_H._Retinger
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Retinger, as a Catholic, was viewed by many as an agent of the Vatican, acting in liaison between the Pope and the Father-General of the Jesuit order.
 
One of Retinger's renowned achievements in European politics was the founding of the European Movement, leading to the establishment of the Council of Europe on 5th May 1949. With its headquarters in Strasbourg, the Council Executive Committee provided Retinger his first major platform for his expansive ideology. From his earlier days at the Sorbonne, Retinger believed in greater European unity, both in military and economic terms. It was also at the same time when his interest in the guidance of the Jesuit order manifested itself. He spent a great deal of his time fulfilling these ambitions. He suggested to Premier Georges Clemenceau a plan to unite Eastern Europe-involving the merging of Austria, Hungary and Poland as a tripartite monarchy under the guidance of the Jesuit order. Clemenceau, doubtful of the Vatican-inspired plan, rejected Retinger's proposal outright. This plan labelled Retinger, thereafter, as a Vatican agent.
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/invisible_power_house.html


http://www.reformation.org/president-lyndon-johnson.html
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After the assassination of President Kennedy, and before even his body had grown cold in death, Johnson was sworn in as President aboard Air Force One.

Instead of a Bible, Johnson took the oath of office on a Roman Catholic missal—a book containing all the prayers and responses necessary for celebrating the mass throughout the year.


Johnson swearing in with his hand on a Roman missal.

Lyndon Johnson was sworn in as President by Judge Sarah T. Hughes just hours after the assassination. Judge Hughes brought a small Bible for the swearing in ceremony, but it was substituted for a Roman Missal (Mass book) that was found on the plane.

The woman judge was trembling; she did not use the Bible she had brought with her, but a small Catholic Missal, found in the plane near Kennedy's bed.
Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

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Re: New Pope was announced 3hrs ago...
« Reply #91 on: April 05, 2013, 04:10:48 PM »
 The elites are inherently in power, the final plateau,,,,the ONES.
The newbees are made men, guys who worked their way up the ladder much like the Mafia.
The blooding of hands being a requirement.

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Re: New Pope was announced 3hrs ago...
« Reply #92 on: April 06, 2013, 01:27:58 PM »
Francis confirmed to be a Freemason:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZLKMxmV0SOQ
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« Reply #93 on: May 18, 2013, 08:30:20 PM »
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/05/18/merkel-and-pope-talk-about-a--strong-europe/2308757/
[Lutheran] Merkel and Pope talk about a 'strong' Europe
May 18, 2013


Pope and Merkel trade secret gang signs at the Vatican
private audience at the Vatican, Saturday, May 18, 2013.

Pope Francis met with German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Saturday during a quick trip to Rome. The two spoke privately for 45 minutes.

VATICAN CITY (AP) — German Chancellor Angela Merkel, mindful of the importance of Christian voters in September elections, met with Pope Francis on Saturday during a quick trip to Rome that focused on helping victims of Europe's economic crisis and emphasizing the continent's Christian roots.

Merkel spoke privately for 45 minutes with the pope at the Apostolic Palace, after exchanging cordial greetings in German.

Her Christian Democrat party depends heavily on support from Protestant and Catholic voters, and the chat and photo opportunity could be a welcome campaign boost for a leader largely identified by Europe's economically suffering citizens as a champion of debt reduction, including painful austerity across much of the continent.

For its part, the Vatican is eager for allies in its campaign to win over more Catholics. Francis was leading a sort of pep rally for the faith in St. Peter's Square Saturday evening, attended by about 150,000 people.

Most were from Europe but many came from the pope's native South America. They sang and prayed during an hours-long gathering ahead of the pope's appearance.

On Thursday, Francis blasted what he called a "cult of money" in a global financial system that ends up tyrannizing, not helping, the world's poor.

Asked whether they had also talked about the pope's recent criticism, Merkel said they spoke about the regulation of the financial markets.

"The regulation of the financial markets is our central problem, our central task," Merkel told reporters on the Vatican grounds. "We are moving ahead, but we are not yet where we want to be, where we could say that a derailment of the guard rails of social market won't happen again."

Merkel added: "It ought to be like this: the economy is there to serve the people. In the last few years, this hasn't been the case at all everywhere."
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Merkel is currently campaigning for re-election in September's general elections. Half of Germany's population is Catholic. In Bavaria especially there is a strong conservative and Catholic tradition.
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Merkel said she has reflected on how she and Francis both had spent part of their lives in countries once under dictatorships — her native East Germany under Soviet-influenced communist rule, and the pope's Argentine homeland, once ruled by a bloody military dictatorship.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/12/opinion/sunday/in-euro-crisis-germany-looks-to-martin-luther.html?_r=0
German Austerity’s Lutheran Core
 By STEVEN OZMENT
 Published: August 11, 2012

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But rather than scour tarnished Weimar, we should read much deeper into Germany’s incomparably rich history, and in particular the indelible mark left by Martin Luther and the “mighty fortress” he built with his strain of Protestantism. Even today Germany, though religiously diverse and politically secular, defines itself and its mission through the writings and actions of the 16th century reformer, who left a succinct definition of Lutheran society in his treatise “The Freedom of a Christian,” which he summarized in two sentences: “A Christian is a perfectly free Lord of all, subject to none, and a Christian is a perfectly dutiful servant of all.”

Consider Luther’s view on charity and the poor. He made the care of the poor an organized, civic obligation by proposing that a common chest be put in every German town; rather than skimp along with the traditional practice of almsgiving to the needy and deserving native poor, Luther proposed that they receive grants, or loans, from the chest. Each recipient would pledge to repay the borrowed amount after a timely recovery and return to self-sufficiency, thereby taking responsibility for both his neighbors and himself. This was love of one’s neighbor through shared civic responsibility, what the Lutherans still call “faith begetting charity.”

How little has changed in 500 years. The German chancellor, Angela Merkel, a born-and-baptized daughter of an East German Lutheran pastor, clearly believes the age-old moral virtues and remedies are the best medicine for the euro crisis. She has no desire to press a secular ideology, let alone an institutional religious faith, on her country, but her politics draws unmistakably from an austere and self-sacrificing, yet charitable and fair, Protestantism.

If Ms. Merkel refuses to support so-called euro bonds, it is not because it would be like giving free money to the undeserving poor but because it would not help the redeemed poor take responsibility for their own houses and grow strong for both themselves and their needy neighbors. He who receives, recovers and profits from society in a time of need has a moral responsibility to pay society back by acting in turn as a strong citizen who can help fill the common chests and sacrifice for his now needy neighbors, who had once helped him. Such is the sacrificial Lutheran society.

For this point of view Ms. Merkel has been derided as the “austerity queen,” and worse. But she is undeterred. She admits that austerity is the toughest road home but hastens to add that it is also the surest and quickest way to recover the economy and gain full emancipation from the crisis. Luther would agree.

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Pope Francis urges global leaders to end 'tyranny' of money

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold
A total of 171,300 tonnes of gold have been mined in human history, according to GFMS as of 2011.[2] This is roughly equivalent to 5.5 billion troy ounces or, in terms of volume, about 8876 m3, or a cube 20.7 m on a side

http://facts.randomhistory.com/2009/03/09_gold.html
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5.Due to its high value, most gold discovered throughout history is still in circulation. However, it is thought that 80% of the world’s gold is still in the ground.b

40.The world’s largest stockpile of gold can be found five stories underground inside the Federal Reserve Bank of New York’s vault and it holds 25% of the world's gold reserve (540,000 gold bars). While it contains more gold than Fort Knox, most of it belongs to foreign governments.f

44.Only approximately 142,000 tons of gold have mined throughout history. Assuming the price of gold is $1,000 per ounce, the total amount of gold that has been mined would equal roughly $4.5 trillion. The United States alone circulates or deposits over $7.6 trillion, suggesting that a return to the gold standard would not be feasible. While most scholars agree a return to a gold standard is not feasible, a few gold standard advocates (such as many Libertarians and Objectivists), argue that a return to a gold standard system would ease inflation risks and limit government power

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_reserve
World Gold Reserves: Notice ONLY ~40,000 TONS!
It has been estimated that all the gold mined by the end of 2011 totalled 171,300 tonnes
So where is 100 tons of gold?





Vatican Gold
http://demonocracy.info/infographics/world/gold/gold.html

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« Reply #94 on: May 22, 2013, 07:59:36 PM »
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/22/pope-francis-atheists-can-be-good
Pope Francis says atheists can be good
Just do good, and we'll find a meeting point, says Francis in marked departure from Benedict's line on non-Catholics

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2328536/Angela-Merkel-Communist-links-new-image-uniform-released.html#ixzz2U1X333ex
German chancellor Merkel under fire over Communist links as image of her in uniform is released
She denies she was close to the Communist rulers in East Germany, where she grew up.
So this 1972 photo of her in military-style uniform has left German Chancellor Angela Merkel ‘not amused’.

Then called Angela Kasner and aged 17, she is shown happily involved in a civil defence exercise under the gaze of an East German officer. Drills included first aid and preparing for nuclear attack.

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« Reply #96 on: June 02, 2013, 05:47:15 PM »
from Drudge:
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/pope-leads-catholics-first-worldwide-holy-hour-153935502.html
Pope leads Catholics in first worldwide 'Holy Hour'
5 hours ago.
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Francis led Roman Catholics on Sunday in the first worldwide "Holy Hour," in which participants prayed at the same time around the globe for those suffering from war, slave labor, human trafficking and the economic crisis.

The Vatican asked Catholics to join him between 5-6 p.m. Rome time (11.00 a.m.-12.00 p.m. ET) in what is known as a Eucharistic adoration - praying before a consecrated communion host.

They were asked to gather in cathedrals, neighborhood parishes and monasteries to pray for two general intentions penned by the pope, who prayed in St. Peter's Basilica.

One was for those "who still suffer slavery and who are victims of war, human trafficking, drug running and slave labor" as well as for the "unemployed, the elderly, migrants, the homeless, prisoners and those who experience marginalization".

The other was for the 1.2 billion member Church itself and that it be "without stain or blemish", an apparent allusion to scandals that have undermined its credibility, such as the sexual abuse of children by clergy.

A Vatican official said it was "the first time in the history of the Church" that such an event was taking place. The Vatican said it was impossible to estimate immediately how many people took part.

http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2013/06/02/catholics_prepare_for_worldwide_eucharistic_adoration/en1-697682
Catholics prepare for worldwide Eucharistic Adoration

From 5-6 pm Rome time, cathedrals and churches throughout the world will be hosting Eucharistic Adoration, led by the Holy Father in Saint Peter’s Basilica.

This year’s Corpus Christi celebrations are tied in to the Year of Faith with the theme “One Lord, one faith.”

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/yimcatholic/2013/06/to-join-pope-francis-in-adoration-of-our-eucharistic-lord.html

http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2013/05/28/pope_to_lead_millions_in_global_hour_of_adoration/en1-696274
Pope to lead millions in global hour of Adoration

(Vatican Radio/ VIS) From the Cook Islands to Chile, Burkina Faso, Taiwan, Iraq, Bangladesh, the United States, and the Philippines, people will unite in prayer with Pope Francis this weekend before One Lord and in One faith, for an hour of Eucharistic Adoration.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8z2b7tw-EPE
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Re: New Pope was announced 3hrs ago...
« Reply #97 on: June 04, 2013, 12:20:28 PM »
Catholics prepare for worldwide Eucharistic Adoration

From 5-6 pm Rome time, cathedrals and churches throughout the world will be hosting Eucharistic Adoration, led by the Holy Father in Saint Peter’s Basilica.

This year’s Corpus Christi celebrations are tied in to the Year of Faith with the theme “One Lord, one faith.”

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/yimcatholic/2013/06/to-join-pope-francis-in-adoration-of-our-eucharistic-lord.html

http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2013/05/28/pope_to_lead_millions_in_global_hour_of_adoration/en1-696274
Pope to lead millions in global hour of Adoration

(Vatican Radio/ VIS) From the Cook Islands to Chile, Burkina Faso, Taiwan, Iraq, Bangladesh, the United States, and the Philippines, people will unite in prayer with Pope Francis this weekend before One Lord and in One faith, for an hour of Eucharistic Adoration.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8z2b7tw-EPE


AH!! Uniting in "ONE FAITH"....wow.  Sounds familiar,eh?

Evil rarely appears as 'evil'.   Doesn't the Bible say that Satan masquerades as an angel of 'Light"?

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« Reply #98 on: June 04, 2013, 02:14:59 PM »
Is this the typical American Catholic ethic?:

Good Catholic Girls



http://washingtonexaminer.com/sebelius-wont-waive-regulation-for-girl-with-five-weeks-to-live-someone-lives-and-someone-dies/article/2531097

Sebelius won’t waive regulation for girl with five weeks to live:
'Someone lives and someone dies’

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Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius rebuffed an appeal from Rep. Lou Barletta, R-Pa., on behalf of a girl who needs a lung transplant but can't get one because of a federal regulation that prevents her from qualifying for a transplant.

“Please, suspend the rules until we look at this policy,” Rep. Lou Barletta, R-Pa., asked Sebelius during a House hearing Tuesday on behalf of Sarah Murnaghan, a 10-year-old girl who needs a lung transplant. She can’t qualify for an adult lung transplant until the age of 12, according to federal regulations, but Sebelius has the authority to waive that rule on her behalf. The pediatric lungs for which she qualifies aren’t available.

“I would suggest, sir, that, again, this is an incredibly agonizing situation where someone lives and someone dies,” Sebelius replied.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Sebelius
Sebelius was born and raised in Cincinnati, Ohio, the daughter of Mary Kathryn (née Dixon) and John Joyce "Jack" Gilligan.[3][4]

Her family was Roman Catholic, and had Irish ancestry.[5][6] She attended the Summit Country Day School in Cincinnati and graduated from Trinity Washington University in Washington, D.C. with a B.A. in political science.

She later earned a Master of Public Administration degree from the University of Kansas. She moved to Kansas in 1974, where she served for eight years as a representative in the Kansas Legislature and eight years as Insurance Commissioner before being elected governor.
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After Barack Obama's clinching of the nomination in June 2008, speculation that she would be a contender for the vice-presidential slot on the Democratic ticket continued
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On February 28, 2009, it was reported that Sebelius had accepted Obama's nomination for the position of Secretary of Health and Human Services. On March 2, 2009, Obama officially announced Governor Sebelius as his nominee.[54]

At Obama's announcement, Sebelius was accompanied by two Kansas Republicans, former U.S. Senator Bob Dole and current U.S. Senator Pat Roberts. Pro-life advocates opposed the nomination and pro-life members in the Senate were most likely to be her main opposition.[55]

Sebelius was confirmed as the Secretary of Health and Human Services by the Senate on April 28, 2009 with a vote of 65–31

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_Washington_University

Trinity Washington University, founded in 1897 by the Sisters of Notre Dame de Namur, is a Roman Catholic university located in Washington, D.C. across from Catholic University of America and the Dominican House of Studies. ...
Trinity College was founded by the Sisters of Notre Dame de Namur in 1897 as a Catholic college for women.


Noted alumnae

Nancy Pelosi, House Minority Leader, former Speaker of the House
Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of Health and Human Services; former Governor of Kansas
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Re: New Pope was announced 3hrs ago...
« Reply #99 on: June 04, 2013, 02:57:30 PM »
 All in the family.
 The 2 party system, thats a laugh and has been for decades. They go along, play the game and get the bennys.
 They don't care!! George Carlins lone liner was on the dime.
 

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Re: New Pope was announced 3hrs ago...
« Reply #100 on: June 06, 2013, 02:19:16 AM »
Don't you people understand that antipope Francis &co. are Freemasons and not Catholics...? And in case you hadn't heard, pope Leo XIII warned that Catholics aren't allowed to even familiarise themselves with anyone who's a Freemason.
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Pope: Wasting food is tantamount to stealing from the poor
« Reply #101 on: June 06, 2013, 12:45:18 PM »


Pope Francis took a page out of the "Book of Mom" yesterday by denouncing consumerism and the “culture of waste” of modern economies when it comes to food during his catechesis Wednesday. Given the high volume of food thrown away by American businesses daily, this papal message could be manna from heaven for food banks.

My hope as a community volunteer is that the pope’s message will help food banks get more volunteers and create additional partnerships with businesses in order to perform what they call “food rescue.”

"Remember, however, that the food that is thrown away is as if we had stolen it from the table of the poor, from those who are hungry," according to his written remarks. 

http://www.csmonitor.com/The-Culture/Family/Modern-Parenthood/2013/0606/Pope-Wasting-food-is-tantamount-to-stealing-from-the-poor-so-how-can-you-help

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Re: Pope: Wasting food is tantamount to stealing from the poor
« Reply #102 on: June 06, 2013, 01:56:52 PM »
Hey Pope Frankie... criticism is not a solution. Perhaps if the Church was less occupied with accumulating wealth, molesting little boys and the Oh so time consuming cover-ups, your advisors could have given you a solution as a topic of discussion.

"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a Communist."

-- Dom Hélder Câmara


Although it is far from alone in this regard, the problem with the Church -- at least at the leadership level -- is that it has historically ignored or, worse, made excuses for the ruling-class privileges (see this, this and this) that made so many people "poor" in the first place.

Henry George, as I've mentioned before, took Pope Leo XIII to task for this over a century ago, so this is hardly a recent trend...

"In speaking of the practical measures for the improvement of the condition of labor which your Holiness suggests, I have not mentioned what you place much stress upon — charity. But there is nothing practical in such recommendations as a cure for poverty, nor will any one so consider them. If it were possible for the giving of alms to abolish poverty there would be no poverty in Christendom.

"Charity is indeed a noble and beautiful virtue, grateful to man and approved by God. But charity must be built on justice. It cannot supersede justice.

"What is wrong with the condition of labor through the Christian world is that labor is robbed. And while you justify the continuance of that robbery it is idle to urge charity. To do so — to commend charity as a substitute for justice, is indeed something akin in essence to those heresies, condemned by your predecessors, that taught that the gospel had superseded the law, and that the love of God exempted men from moral obligations.

"All that charity can do where injustice exists is here and there to mollify somewhat the effects of injustice. It cannot cure them. Nor is even what little it can do to mollify the effects of injustice without evil. For what may be called the superimposed, and in this sense, secondary virtues, work evil where the fundamental or primary virtues are absent. Thus sobriety is a virtue and diligence is a virtue. But a sober and diligent thief is all the more dangerous. Thus patience is a virtue. But patience under wrong is the condoning of wrong. Thus it is a virtue to seek knowledge and to endeavor to cultivate the mental powers. But the wicked man becomes more capable of evil by reason of his intelligence. Devils we always think of as intelligent.

"And thus that pseudo-charity that discards and denies justice works evil. On the one side, it demoralizes its recipients, outraging that human dignity which as you say 'God himself treats with reverence,' and turning into beggars and paupers men who to become self-supporting, self-respecting citizens need only the restitution of what God has given them. On the other side, it acts as an anodyne to the consciences of those who are living on the robbery of their fellows, and fosters that moral delusion and spiritual pride that Christ doubtless had in mind when he said it was easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. For it leads men steeped in injustice, and using their money and their influence to bolster up injustice, to think that in giving alms they are doing something more than their duty toward man and deserve to be very well thought of by God, and in a vague way to attribute to their own goodness what really belongs to God’s goodness. For consider: Who is the All-Provider? Who is it that as you say, 'owes to man a storehouse that shall never fail,' and which 'he finds only in the inexhaustible fertility of the earth.' Is it not God? And when, therefore, men, deprived of the bounty of their God, are made dependent on the bounty of their fellow-creatures, are not these creatures, as it were, put in the place of God, to take credit to themselves for paying obligations that you yourself say God owes?

"But worse perhaps than all else is the way in which this substituting of vague injunctions to charity for the clear-cut demands of justice opens an easy means for the professed teachers of the Christian religion of all branches and communions to placate Mammon while persuading themselves that they are serving God. Had the English clergy not subordinated the teaching of justice to the teaching of charity — to go no further in illustrating a principle of which the whole history of Christendom from Constantine’s time to our own is witness — the Tudor tyranny would never have arisen, and the separation of the church been averted; had the clergy of France never substituted charity for justice, the monstrous iniquities of the ancient régime would never have brought the horrors of the Great Revolution; and in my own country had those who should have preached justice not satisfied themselves with preaching kindness, chattel slavery could never have demanded the holocaust of our civil war.

"No, your Holiness; as faith without works is dead, as men cannot give to God his due while denying to their fellows the rights he gave them, so charity unsupported by justice can do nothing to solve the problem of the existing condition of labor."

-- Henry George, The Condition of Labor, pp. 92-95
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« Reply #103 on: July 30, 2013, 11:33:50 AM »
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/a11ab832-f845-11e2-92f0-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2aTg7KAgO
Pope Francis strikes more conciliatory tone on gay clergy
By Guy Dinmore in Rome

Pope Francis has challenged his doctrinaire predecessor’s opinions on gay priests while upholding Church dogma that bans the ordination of women.
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Unlike his predecessor who would only answer a few pre-scripted questions, the 76-year-old Argentine Jesuit fielded all issues unprompted, ranging from the so-called “gay lobby” in the Vatican to accusations of corruption involving its bank.

“If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has goodwill, who am I to judge?’’ the pontiff said in remarks that Vatican reporters saw as the most conciliatory on the issue of gay priests expressed by any pope. In line with Church teaching, Francis said gays should not be judged or marginalised but integrated into society, while maintaining that homosexual acts are a sin.
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Pope Francis, speaking mostly in Italian, was answering a question about reports of a “gay lobby” in the Vatican and the scandals of paedophile priests.

“I still have not seen anyone in the Vatican with an identity card saying they are gay,” the pope joked, distinguishing between lobbies and individual orientation.

On the question of ordaining women, the Pope was blunt in his rejection. “The Church has spoken and says ‘no’. Pope John Paul said so with a formula that was definitive. That door is closed,” he said.
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Pope Francis was specifically asked about a trusted monsignor whom he appointed to oversee the Vatican bank and was later reported to have been involved in a gay tryst a decade ago. The Pope replied that he investigated but found no such evidence. He also noted that the allegations were a matter of sin, not of a crime such as child abuse.
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http://www.vaticancrimes.us/
http://www.vaticancrimes.us/2013/07/arrested-cleric-accuses-cardinals-of.html

Friday, July 26, 2013
VATICAN CITY - A senior cleric arrested on suspicion of corruption wrote to the pope on Thursday to accuse cardinals of covering up irregular financial activities carried out by his superiors in the Vatican.
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The prelate, who was arrested on June 28 on suspicion of having acted as an intermediary for suspect transactions at the Vatican bank — otherwise known as the Institute for Religious Works (IOR) — proclaimed his innocence.

“I never laundered dirty money, I never stole, I tried to help someone who asked for help,” he wrote from behind bars in Rome’s Regina Coeli prison. Scarano, who worked for years as an accountant for APSA, an agency that manages Vatican assets, said he had documents which would prove his good faith and asked the pontiff permission to present them to him in person.
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http://www.vaticancrimes.us/2013/07/documentary-proving-catholic-churchs.html


The Vatican has implemented the CRIMENS SOLLICITATIONIS worldwide, a 39 page document which gives specific instructions to each archdiocese how to protect pederast priests, shifts them around, intimidate sex abuse victims and silence them.

Pope Francis and prior popes as well have had the nations entertained by acting "shocked" when sex abuse victim testimonies have been featured in news headlines, saying that they will "look into them" and even initiating so-called investigations or "commissions" - when in fact they have canon laws in place to protect these criminals.

The documentary below sheds light as to how the Catholic Church has silenced the systematic abuse in USA as well. We invite our dear readers to watch this video and to check out the summary report of over 10 million crimes committed by the catholic clergy worldwide in using their false appearance of "mercy" and so-called "helping the poor" motto to deceive the masses

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rpDJhCVTItg
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« Reply #104 on: August 01, 2013, 11:41:33 AM »
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/01/religious-order-priest-admitted-abusing-100-boys-new-files-add-to-la-clergy/
Religious order priest admitted abusing 100 boys; new files add to LA clergy abuse picture
Published August 01, 2013/
Associated Press


LOS ANGELES –  In therapy sessions, the priest confessed the shocking details he'd kept hidden for years: He had molested more than 100 boys, including his 5-year-old brother. He had sex with male prostitutes, and frequented gay strip clubs.

The admissions of the Rev. Ruben Martinez are included among nearly 2,000 pages of secret files unsealed Wednesday that were kept on priests, brothers and nuns who belonged to religious orders but were accused of child molestation while working within the Los Angeles archdiocese

The papers, which were released under the terms of a $660 million settlement agreement reached in 2007, are the first glimpse at what religious orders knew about the men and women they posted in Roman Catholic schools and parishes in the Los Angeles area. The archdiocese itself released thousands of pages under court order this year for its own priests who were accused of sexual abuse, but the full picture of the problem remained elusive without the orders' records. Several dozen more files are expected to be released by the fall.
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http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/milwaukee-archdiocese-to-release-sex-abuse-file-on-another-priest-b9954235z1-215443681.html
Milwaukee Archdiocese to release sex abuse file on another priest
By Associated Press   
July 14, 2013

At least one more priest's personnel file will be made public as the Archdiocese of Milwaukee wraps up its investigations of sexual abuse claims filed in federal bankruptcy court, the archdiocese's spokesman said.

The archdiocese released personnel files for 42 priests on July 1 as part of a deal with sexual abuse victims suing it for fraud. Some victims have criticized the church for not releasing more records.

Archdiocese spokesman Jerry Topczewski said last week that another priest's file has been given to the archdiocese's attorneys, who will work with victims' attorneys to decide which portions to make public. A second priest is still under investigation, and his file could eventually become public. But other records will never be released.

The archdiocese has 45 priests on its list of those with verified allegations of abuse. Most of their names have been public since the archdiocese released its initial list in 2004, but one wasn't added until after the archdiocese filed for bankruptcy in January 2011.

Hundreds of people came forward then with sexual abuse claims, many involving new allegations. The archdiocese treated those claims as new reports of abuse, forwarding allegations about anyone who was still alive to police and opening its own investigations, Topczewski said.

In 2012, the archdiocese added Donald Musinski to its list. Musinski served in churches in Milwaukee, Belgium and Johnsburg from 1962 to 1999. He died in 2006.

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http://www.archpdxpriestfiles.com/

Child Abuse in the Catholic Archdiocese of Portland, Oregon:
As Told By the Documents Themselves
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The goal of this site is to help the public, child advocates, and any institution which sponsors “relationships of trust” between adults and children, to see what the Archdiocese of Portland, and its Archbishops and Staff, knew or should have known about pedophile priests, so as to learn from these mistakes and thereby ensure that the tragedies of child abuse do not happen elsewhere.

How this Site Came to Be

At the conclusion of the three-year long Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of the Archdiocese in April, 2007, and as part of the negotiations toward closure of that legal proceeding, a deal was struck between survivors of priest and nun abuse, on the one hand, and Archbishop John Vlazny and the Archdiocese, on the other hand.   That agreement, one of the first of its kind in the nation, required the Archdiocese to release to the public its historical internal documents, including the Archdiocese’s so-called “secret archives”–secret personnel files–concerning offending priests.

A process of mediation and arbitration was set up for the lawyers for both sides to try to agree on which specific documents should be released. Unfortunately, the negotiations broke down in the Spring of 2008, and an arbitration was held before US District Court Judge Michael Hogan on June 9, 2008.

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http://sanmarino.patch.com/groups/around-town/p/catholic-archdiocese-releases-pedophile-priest-documents

Catholic Archdiocese to Release Pedophile Priest Documents

The 12,000-page clergy files include the names of priests, culminating years of legal wrangling over whether names should be redacted from the paperwork.

Posted by  City News Service , February 01, 2013 at 03:30 AM

After a years-long legal battle, the Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles Thursday released personnel files of more than 100 clergy members as part of a 2007 settlement of a lawsuit alleging sexual abuse by priests.

The clergy files included the names of priests, culminating years of legal wrangling over whether names should be redacted from the paperwork.
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The files were made available online here.
http://clergyfiles.la-archdiocese.org/

Introduction to Clergy Files Produced by Archdiocese of Los Angeles

The 2013 public release of the  files of clergy who were subject of the 2007 global settlement, concludes a sad and shameful chapter in the history of our Local Church. In the 2004 Report to the People of God and elsewhere, the Archdiocese acknowledged and apologized for failing to treat victims of abuse with compassion, as well as for employing what we now know to be inadequate standards for treatment and supervision of priests who were found to have abused children and young people.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/31/sex-abuse-church-revealed-secret-files-los-angeles_n_3684329.html#slide=1202128
Los Angeles Catholic Church Sex Abuse Files Released Including Files On Ruben Martinez Who Abused 100 Boys
By GILLIAN FLACCUS 07/31/13
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Re: New Pope was announced 3hrs ago...
« Reply #105 on: August 31, 2013, 11:12:17 AM »
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/10276319/Pope-breaks-with-protocol-by-bowing-to-Queen-Rania-of-Jordan.html
Pope breaks with protocol by bowing to Queen Rania of Jordan
The Pope has broken yet another point of Vatican protocol by bowing when he met Queen Rania of Jordan
By Tom Kington, Rome
2:16PM BST 30 Aug 2013




As head of state at the Vatican, not to mention the leader of the world's 1.2 billion catholics, protocol requires visitors to bow to him when they meet him at the Holy See.

But Francis, who has made the forgetting of formalities a trademark of his papacy, bowed when he met a smiling Rania as she visited the Vatican with her husband King Abdullah II on Thursday
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Re: New Pope was announced 3hrs ago...
« Reply #106 on: September 23, 2013, 05:49:06 PM »
So what about that Vatican bank ? and the Gold in the NewYork Fed ? and the Goldman Sachs investments ?  
So here is the Pope going off script. Saying what he really thinks? I am a bit amazed... Hope he doesn't have an accident


http://ca.news.yahoo.com/pope-attacks-global-economics-worshipping-god-money-100212602.html

Pope attacks global economics for worshipping 'god of money'
ReutersBy Philip Pullella | Reuters – Sun, 22 Sep, 2013

By Philip Pullella

CAGLIARI, Sardinia (Reuters) - Pope Francis made one of his strongest attacks on the global economic system on Sunday, saying it could no longer be based on a "god called money" and urged the unemployed to fight for work.

Francis, at the start of a day-long trip to the Sardinian capital, Cagliari, put aside his prepared text at a meeting with unemployed workers, including miners in hard hats who told him of their situation, and improvised for nearly 20 minutes.

"I find suffering here ... It weakens you and robs you of hope," he said. "Excuse me if I use strong words, but where there is no work there is no dignity."

He discarded his prepared speech after listening to Francesco Mattana, a 45-year-old married father of three who lost his job with an alternative energy company four years ago.

Mattana, his voice trembling, told the pope that unemployment "oppresses you and wears you out to the depths of your soul".

The crowd of about 20,000 people in a square near the city port chanted what Francis called a prayer for "work, work, work". They cheered each time he spoke of the rights of workers and the personal devastation caused by joblessness
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The pope, who later celebrated Mass for some 300,000 people outside the city's cathedral, told them: "We don't want this globalised economic system which does us so much harm. Men and women have to be at the centre (of an economic system) as God wants, not money."

"The world has become an idolator of this god called money," he said.

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The Pope's Economic Plan
« Reply #107 on: December 02, 2013, 11:29:14 AM »
http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-Pope-s-Economic-Plan-by-Scott-Baker-Catholicism-Vatican-Pope_Economic_Economic-Collapse_Economic-Crisis-131126-494.html

The Pope's Economic Plan

By Scott Baker
OpEdNews.com
11/26/2013

Today, Pope Francis released an 84-page document, known as an apostolic exhortation, called an Official Platform for his papacy by Reuters.   Frankly, most of it is arcane religious doctrine and prescriptions to this atheist, but the pope's economic plan ought to be of interest to everyone.

This pope lives simply, in a guest house, and has been known to wash the feet of ordinary people, despite having access to vast wealth, like all popes.   Further, like his namesake, Saint Francis, he seems to sincerely wish to do something to combat poverty.   However, most of the MSM articles are crafting his message in purely moral terms.   From the Reuters article:

    In (the document), Francis went further than previous comments criticizing the global economic system, attacking the "idolatry of money" and beseeching politicians to guarantee all citizens "dignified work, education and healthcare".

Did the pope just call for universal healthcare?   Where was he when Obamacare ruled out the Public Option?   On safer ground, the Reuters article continues:

    (The pope) also called on rich people to share their wealth. "Just as the commandment 'Thou shalt not kill' sets a clear limit in order to safeguard the value of human life, today we also have to say 'thou shalt not' to an economy of exclusion and inequality. Such an economy kills," Francis wrote in the document issued on Tuesday.

    "How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses 2 points?"

This is safe territory for most media.   "Just give a little more...share what you've made with those less fortunate," is safe because how much is enough?   How much is too little?   One could debate redistribution forever without addressing the reason for maldistribution in the first place.

Senator Bernie Sanders digs a bit further, recognizing the pope's "past passionate criticism of the global financial system, which has plunged more of the world into poverty while benefiting the wealthy few."

From Reuters:

    In (the exhortation), economic inequality features as one of the issues Francis is most concerned about, and the 76-year-old pontiff calls for an overhaul of the financial system and warns that unequal distribution of wealth inevitably leads to violence.

    "As long as the problems of the poor are not radically resolved by rejecting the absolute autonomy of markets and financial speculation and by attacking the structural causes of inequality, no solution will be found for the world's problems or, for that matter, to any problems," he wrote.

The pope is clearly not a believer in deregulated markets!   What would (catholic) Ronald Reagan have thought?

But, there is more to the Pope's plan than just exhortations to -- somehow -- lessen the wealth gap.   Although for some reason, none of the articles I found directly linked to the actual apostolic exhortation, I was able to find it here.

In chapter 2, section I, the pope writes of "SOME CHALLENGES OF TODAY'S WORLD," saying:

    "52. In our time humanity is experiencing a turning-point in its history, as we can see from the advances being made in so many fields. We can only praise the steps being taken to improve people's welfare in areas such as health care, education and communications. At the same time we have to remember that the majority of our contemporaries are barely living from day to day, with dire consequences. A number of diseases are spreading. The hearts of many people are gripped by fear and desperation, even in the so-called rich countries. The joy of living frequently fades, lack of respect for others and violence are on the rise, and inequality is increasingly evident. It is a struggle to live and, often, to live with precious little dignity. This epochal change has been set in motion by the enormous qualitative, quantitative, rapid and cumulative advances occurring in the sciences and in technology, and by their instant application in different areas of nature and of life. We are in an age of knowledge and information, which has led to new and often anonymous kinds of power."

So far, this is pretty standard stuff, maybe equivalent to a "papal rant."   But Francis goes on to more stridently argue "No to an economy of exclusion," arguing that there should be a new commandment "'thou shalt not' to an economy of exclusion and inequality. Such an economy kills."

Better yet, from the point of view of an atheist like me who looks for rational solutions to defined problems, he is impatient with certain popular, but failed, economic theorems.

    "54. In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naive trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting."

Did the Pope just repudiate the trickle-down free market?  It sure seems that way. This is sure to not sit well with the typical elite V.I.P.s that normally fill a Pope's daily itinerary!

Furthermore, he is saying that merely trusting in the goodness of others is naive and unworkable as an economic plan.   There are specific remedies to be applied, not just spiritual awakening.   This is quite refreshing coming from a spiritual leader!

He goes on to say "No to the new idolatry of money," though one can be forgiven for thinking it's all very well for one of the -- potentially -- wealthiest men in the world to say stop worshiping money, or that "Money must serve, not rule!"   But what we want to know what is he proposing to do about it, beyond preaching "A financial reform open to such ethical considerations?"

Well, he squarely says that violence comes from inequality and social injustice, "at its root," not just from a failure of character (or faith).   And the pope has his cross hairs aimed at the hyper-security state too:

    No to the inequality which spawns violence

    59. Today in many places we hear a call for greater security. But until exclusion and inequality in society and between peoples is reversed, it will be impossible to eliminate violence. The poor and the poorer peoples are accused of violence, yet without equal opportunities the different forms of aggression and conflict will find a fertile terrain for growth and eventually explode. When a society -- whether local, national or global -- is willing to leave a part of itself on the fringes, no political programmes or resources spent on law enforcement or surveillance systems can indefinitely guarantee tranquility. This is not the case simply because inequality provokes a violent reaction from those excluded from the system, but because the socioeconomic system is unjust at its root. Just as goodness tends to spread, the toleration of evil, which is injustice, tends to expand its baneful influence and quietly to undermine any political and social system, no matter how solid it may appear. If every action has its consequences, an evil embedded in the structures of a society has a constant potential for disintegration and death. It is evil crystallized in unjust social structures, which cannot be the basis of hope for a better future."

So, the pope is saying that lack of opportunity and gross inequality creates violent reaction, not jealousy.  

I wish he had said something about the lack of faith in one's fellow man.   Evil does not just happen; it is driven by fear and distrust.   This is a lack of faith in the inherent goodness of people.   And it is inherent too.   Only a small minority of people, including the oligarchs, disrupts or pathologizes the conditions for the rest of us.   The small number of oligarchs taking the wealth through rent-seeking and monopolization is comparable to the number of hard core terrorists, but only one group gets the attention it deserves, or perhaps too much attention, given how the 1% elite create conditions for terrorism to breed.

The pope seems to be calling for an end, or at least curtailment, of the "war on terror" and says it is ultimately futile:

    Inequality eventually engenders a violence which recourse to arms cannot and never will be able to resolve. This serves only to offer false hopes to those clamouring for heightened security, even though nowadays we know that weapons and violence, rather than providing solutions, create new and more serious conflicts.

The pope goes on to criticize today's consumerism-- this, at a time when economists are stuck in the mode of growth at all costs to achieve happiness, instead of asking what it is that makes us happy to begin with, beyond just having more "stuff."

As Francis reminds us:

    Human beings are themselves considered consumer goods to be used and then discarded. We have created a "disposable" culture which is now spreading. It is no longer simply about exploitation and oppression, but something new. Exclusion ultimately has to do with what it means to be a part of the society in which we live; those excluded are no longer society's underside or its fringes or its disenfranchised -- they are no longer even a part of it. The excluded are not the "exploited" but the outcast, the "leftovers"."

This is pretty radical stuff, even the talk of revolutionaries.   This is also new, as the pope says.   He is telling us that we have actually discarded a whole class of human beings, not merely exploited them.   Is he calling for an uprising, even a peaceful one?

    60. Today's economic mechanisms promote inordinate consumption, yet it is evident that unbridled consumerism combined with inequality proves doubly damaging to the social fabric.

     Inequality eventually engenders a violence which recourse to arms cannot and never will be able to resolve. This serves only to offer false hopes to those clamouring for heightened security, even though nowadays we know that weapons and violence, rather than providing solutions, create new and more serious conflicts. Some simply content themselves with blaming the poor and the poorer countries themselves for their troubles; indulging in unwarranted generalizations, they claim that the solution is an "education" that would tranquilize them, making them tame and harmless. All this becomes even more exasperating for the marginalized in the light of the widespread and deeply rooted corruption found in many countries -- in their governments, businesses and institutions -- whatever the political ideology of their leaders."

The quotes around "education" are his.   He is obviously skeptical of today's schooling, and its usefulness later on.

Unfortunately, the pope does not quite follow through with a true understanding of how the Haves take from the Have-Nots, if not by force, than as economic hitmen, making loans with impossible payment requirements, and then seizing collateral, even whole countries.   He once again pleads for redistribution:

    With due respect for the autonomy and culture of every nation, we must never forget that the planet belongs to all mankind and is meant for all mankind; the mere fact that some people are born in places with fewer resources or less development does not justify the fact that they are living with less dignity.

...instead of for just compensation for the use of resources.   Africa, for example, is resource rich, yet its people are among the poorest.   Clearly, they are not being compensated for their natural wealth.   It is not that their resources are not worth more, without some of them, our modern electronic age could not exist.   But those who ought to pay, would rather take the resources by guile or by force.   To pay more is not charity, it is justice.   For example, a tax on the use/abuse of resources, including location in dense urban areas, would encourage sustainable development while collecting enough money to feed and house all the poor.   For that matter, it would force empty warehoused buildings into becoming homes for the poor, or at the very least, make it possible for government to provide a small stipend to make that happen.   Right now, most government housing programs are notoriously more expensive than they ought to be, and the dangerous shelter system is no moral solution.

Francis does recognize that:

[Continued...]
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

http://schalkenbach.org
http://www.monetary.org
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=203330.0

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Re: New Pope was announced 3hrs ago...
« Reply #108 on: December 02, 2013, 02:37:30 PM »
Admittedly I'm a cynic.
That this man shuns wealth, lives in humble surroundings and rally's for the poor appears to be of an admirable quality.
 BUT. He is the poster man for a corporate religion, no offense to any catholics, to reaffirm that statement I consider all heavy duty corporate religions in that context.
 If the Pope would open the doors of the hidden archives, the Vatican's vast treasures and secrets revealed in total, their holdings, money, land, homes, and all other finances, I would definitely  be impressed and downgrade my cynicism.
 Why keep secrets in a vault, sorry guys, I can't help it, the NSA, DOD, CIA,W.H, etc.etc.etc.. do the same shiite.
        Just to mention, I'm a God fearing man and am not hitting on anyone's religious belief.

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Re: New Pope was announced 3hrs ago...
« Reply #109 on: December 02, 2013, 02:59:55 PM »
You think the "pope" is in control of the Vatican?? really? I would say he's doing the best he can.
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Re: New Pope was announced 3hrs ago...
« Reply #110 on: December 02, 2013, 06:29:24 PM »
You think the "pope" is in control of the Vatican?? really? I would say he's doing the best he can.
                 Hi T.
 I don't think that this man alone runs the Vatican and I do enjoy his humanistic traits he expounds upon.
 I can't in any way judge this man, all I can say is when a religion owns a sovereign nation or independent state my skepticism steps in.
  His words are connected to spiritual values as any less would be self defeating.
 No offense, but for me it's a coin toss and only time will tell. One thing I feel certain about, the Vatican/ Church needed to regain it's image, to continue growth,( he was a good choice ).Vatican- A political sovereign state is A- religion as well as A- political influence.
 The theme of his words are well chosen, no doubt about it.
 
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Vatican City is an ecclesiastical[1] or sacerdotal-monarchical[2] state, ruled by the Bishop of Rome—the Pope. The highest state functionaries are all Catholic clergymen of various national origins. It is the sovereign territory of the Holy See . WIK

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Re: New Pope was announced 3hrs ago...
« Reply #111 on: December 03, 2013, 01:17:57 PM »

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/pope-francis-denounces-trickle-down-economic-theories-in-critique-of-inequality/2013/11/26/e17ffe4e-56b6-11e3-8304-caf30787c0a9_story.html
Pope Francis denounces ‘trickle-down’ economic theories in critique of inequality
Published: November 26 2013
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Using a phrase with special resonance in the United States, he strongly criticized an economic theory — often affiliated with conservatives — that discourages taxation and regulation.
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“Some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world,” Francis wrote in the papal statement. “This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naive trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacra­lized workings of the prevailing economic system.”

“Meanwhile,” he added, “the excluded are still waiting.”



http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Netanyahu-holds-first-meeting-with-Pope-Francis-333708
 Netanyahu holds first meeting with Pope Francis
ERIC J. LYMAN
12/02/2013


VATICAN CITY – Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu met with Pope Francis in a 25-minute closed-door meeting Monday, with a host of geo-political and religious issues on the agenda as well as a formal invitation for the pontiff to visit the Holy Land next year.

It was the first time the two leaders met face to face, and they discussed the Israeli-Palestinian peace process, the escalating worries about Iran's nuclear program, the Syrian civil war, the welfare of Christians in Israel, as well as the pope’s expected visit to Israel.

If Francis does make such a trip, he will be just the third pope to visit the country since the Vatican established diplomatic ties 20 years ago, following a visit from John Paul II in 2000 and Benedict XVI in 2009. Pope Paul VI also briefly visited Jerusalem in 1964.
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According to political experts, Netanyahu's trip, which also includes a meeting with Italian Prime Minister Enrico Letta, is important for all sides: for Netanyahu as he tries to rally support for a hard-line stance against Iran, for Italy as it seeks to play its traditional role as a bridge builder in the Middle East, and for the Vatican as it looks to reassert its role as a global player after several years in which that role was reduced.
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Pope Francis and Economics
« Reply #112 on: December 04, 2013, 02:19:03 PM »
http://www.progress.org/views/editorials/pope-francis-economics/

Pope Francis and Economics

by Fred Foldvary
The Progress Report
December 1, 2013

On November 26, 2013, The Vatican press published the apostolic exhortation, “The Joy of the Gospel.” The text was written in Spanish, and its full title in the English translation (converted here from upper case to initial capitals) is “Evangelii Gaudium of the Holy Father Francis to the Bishops, Clergy, Consecrated Persons and the Lay Faithful on the Proclamation of the Gospel in Today’s World.” Besides its religious calls, Pope Francis makes statements about today’s economic problems, and calls for greater economic justice.

One of the aims of this proclamation is to point out “new paths for the Church’s journey in years to come.” One of the questions the Pope seeks to discuss is “the inclusion of the poor in society.” Chapter Two is entitled, “Amid the Crisis of Communal Commitment.” In paragraph 52, Francis writes that “today we also have to say ‘thou shalt not’ to an economy of exclusion and inequality. Such an economy kills… Today everything comes under the laws of competition and the survival of the fittest, where the powerful feed upon the powerless.”

The Pope is wise and correct in seeing the harm done by inequality, but I urge him to see past the appearances to study the underlying reality. What provides the powerful with their might? The state has the ultimate power of force, and by its power to tax, to restrict, to mandate, and to subsidize, the state endows the powerful with the means to feed on the powerless. Market competition as such cannot impose force, and it does not create poverty. In a free society, each person has the power to be employed and pursue happiness. In a truly free market, all are fit to survive, because workers have access to natural opportunities. It is government intervention that stops this access.

Paragraph 54 is the key, widely cited, economic passage. We need to be sure that the English version is true to the original Spanish. In Spanish, Francis wrote, “algunos todavía defienden las teorías del « derrame », que suponen que todo crecimiento económico, favorecido por la libertad de mercado, logra provocar por sí mismo mayor equidad e inclusión social en el mundo.”

The Vatican’s English translation says, “some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world.”

The English-edition term “trickle-down theories” is translated from the Spanish, “teoria del derrame.” “Derrame” means a slow leak, hence a trickle, and so the English translation is accurate. The translated term “free market” is more literally “the liberty of the market” in the original Spanish, but the meaning is the same.

As noted by Harvard professor Greg Mankiw in his blog, critics of markets often use the term “trickle down” as a pejorative for the effects of a market economy. There is indeed a trickle down effect, for example, when a tourist resort is built in a location with many poor people, where a few get hired to work to clean rooms and wash dishes. A bit of the wealth of the resort trickles to the local population. But this situation does not confront the issue of why the poverty exists in the first place.

The theory of the free market is not one of “trickle down.” A truly free market is a fountain that gushes up wealth for all. Moreover, economic growth in market economies has indeed raised millions of persons up from poverty. However, the theory of market-driven growth does not claim that growth brings justice. The causation is the opposite: economic justice promotes growth. Moreover, justice and liberty are two faces of the same coin, so if a market has liberty, it must also provide justice.

The Pope continues: “This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system.”

But the proposition that free markets provide growth that benefits all is not a mere opinion. The proposition is a theory of growth that was first analyzed by the French economists of the 1700s, who concluded that the unhampered market, with free trade, would provide the greatest prosperity for all.

The prescription of the French economists was to abolish taxes on labor and trade, and instead use the surplus of the economy, which is land rent, for public revenue. Adam Smith in his Wealth of Nations brought this theory into classical economics. The American economist Henry George a century later explained in detail how land rent captures the gains from economic progress, and how growth generates inequality and poverty if that rent is not equally shared.

Markets have had various degrees of freedom, but there is no truly free market in the world today. Those who advocate a pure free market do not defend the “prevailing economic system,” but rather, they seek to stop the state’s subsidy of economic powers. The greatest subsidy and economic power is the land rent generated by the public goods provided by government.

The Pope is correct in decrying “the denial of the primacy of the human person” (paragraph 55) and that “Behind this attitude lurks a rejection of ethics” (57). Ethics and the primacy of the human person requires the equal right of each person to pursue happiness without harming others and to keep the earnings of his labor, as recognized by the commandment, “Thou shalt not steal.” Ethics must also respect the equal sharing of the benefits of nature and community, as stated in Ecclesiastes 5:9, “the profit of the earth is for all.”

The heart of economics is the understanding of the root cause of poverty: the forced redistribution of wealth from the working poor to the landed rich. This is caused not by markets but from state policy. It is good that Pope Francis seeks to remedy poverty. His “new path” should be to go more deeply into the economics and politics of maldistribution.
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

http://schalkenbach.org
http://www.monetary.org
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=203330.0

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Re: New Pope was announced 3hrs ago...
« Reply #113 on: December 23, 2013, 02:09:50 AM »
Umm...

Enough said.
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Re: New Pope was announced 3hrs ago...
« Reply #114 on: January 01, 2014, 01:47:53 PM »
Umm...

Enough said.

Wow, the Hidden Hand sign!

[ And the people cried PEACE,PEACE - but there was no peace
ezekiel 7:25 Destruction cometh ; and they shall seek peace, and there shall be none.

...they lead my people astray, saying, 'Peace,' when there is no peace..."
Ezekiel 13:10"

http://biblehub.com/jeremiah/8-11.htm
Jeremiah 8:11
For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.
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http://paxchristiusa.org/2013/12/26/world-day-of-peace-pope-francis-message-for-the-world-day-of-peace-january-1/


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/01/pope-francis-cry-for-peace-vatican
Pope Francis tells world to listen to 'cry for peace'
Pontiff uses Vatican new year message to say too many people are indifferent to war, violence and injustice
The Guardian, Wednesday 1 January 2014 11.59 EST

Pope Francis has made an impassioned new year's peace address, saying the heart of humanity seemed to have gone astray and too many people were indifferent to war, violence and injustice.

The pontiff, who took his papal name from St Francis of Assisi, the saint most associated with peace, urged the world to listen to the "cry for peace" from suffering peoples.

"What on earth is happening in the hearts of men? What on earth is happening in the heart of humanity?" he said to tens of thousands of people in St Peter's Square on the day the Roman Catholic Church celebrates its World Day of Peace. "It's time to stop!" he said, departing from his prepared text.

Francis was speaking from the window of the Apostolic Palace overlooking St Peter's Square that popes traditionally use for their addresses.
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Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

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Re: New Pope was announced 3hrs ago...
« Reply #115 on: January 01, 2014, 02:12:44 PM »
The only true power, the only power that can heal our sick society, is the power of ideas. And that's why I've always been attracted to anything that transcends all of the dividing lines -- religious, ethnic, cultural, political, etc. -- that keep human beings perpetually and needlessly at odds with one another, despite all of us having the same basic needs and desires.

Among the many threads which that attraction inspired me to create is the following...

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"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

"If our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill." -- Thomas Edison

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Re: New Pope was announced 3hrs ago...
« Reply #116 on: January 02, 2014, 12:00:58 AM »
Wow, the Hidden Hand sign!

[ And the people cried PEACE,PEACE - but there was no peace
ezekiel 7:25 Destruction cometh ; and they shall seek peace, and there shall be none.

...they lead my people astray, saying, 'Peace,' when there is no peace..."
Ezekiel 13:10"

http://biblehub.com/jeremiah/8-11.htm
Jeremiah 8:11
For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.
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http://paxchristiusa.org/2013/12/26/world-day-of-peace-pope-francis-message-for-the-world-day-of-peace-january-1/


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/01/pope-francis-cry-for-peace-vatican
Pope Francis tells world to listen to 'cry for peace'
Pontiff uses Vatican new year message to say too many people are indifferent to war, violence and injustice
The Guardian, Wednesday 1 January 2014 11.59 EST

Pope Francis has made an impassioned new year's peace address, saying the heart of humanity seemed to have gone astray and too many people were indifferent to war, violence and injustice.

The pontiff, who took his papal name from St Francis of Assisi, the saint most associated with peace, urged the world to listen to the "cry for peace" from suffering peoples.

"What on earth is happening in the hearts of men? What on earth is happening in the heart of humanity?" he said to tens of thousands of people in St Peter's Square on the day the Roman Catholic Church celebrates its World Day of Peace. "It's time to stop!" he said, departing from his prepared text.

Francis was speaking from the window of the Apostolic Palace overlooking St Peter's Square that popes traditionally use for their addresses.
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Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing.

And that goes for televangelists (of any denomination) as well.

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Re: New Pope was announced 3hrs ago...
« Reply #117 on: January 02, 2014, 12:33:11 AM »


Ask a rabbi with more than three brain cells in his bean to rub together to tell you (off the record)... 'Why does the pope wear a yamaka?'

Also, why has every tyrant no matter how many people they killed felt it necessary to 'KISS THE RING'.  Yes, even the commies did it..

Some say that I've been Delphied I'm not sure what it means.  They say that I'm a victim of some much bigger scheme. Do you believe it?
http://www.iror.org/delphied.asp

Have you been Delphied?

Mass Hopenosis
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Re: New Pope was announced 3hrs ago...
« Reply #118 on: January 02, 2014, 06:17:22 AM »


Ask a rabbi with more than three brain cells in his bean to rub together to tell you (off the record)... 'Why does the pope wear a yamaka?'

Also, why has every tyrant no matter how many people they killed felt it necessary to 'KISS THE RING'.  Yes, even the commies did it..



The zucchetto began existence as the Greek pilos and is a descendant of the beret (which itself was originally a large zucchetto). It was adopted circa the Early Middle Ages, if not earlier, to keep clerics' tonsured heads warm. Its name derives from its resemblance to half a pumpkin. Its appearance is almost identical to the Jewish kippah (yarmulke), though its significance is quite different.

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Re: New Pope was announced 3hrs ago...
« Reply #119 on: January 02, 2014, 11:02:29 AM »
The zucchetto began existence as the Greek pilos and is a descendant of the beret (which itself was originally a large zucchetto). It was adopted circa the Early Middle Ages, if not earlier, to keep clerics' tonsured heads warm. Its name derives from its resemblance to half a pumpkin. Its appearance is almost identical to the Jewish kippah (yarmulke), though its significance is quite different.

No, not exactly what I was told.  The pope centuries ago made the wearing of the yam-aka mandatory for jewish rabbis, three separate rabbis told this to me however, they said it off the record because they will never tell their jewish faithful.  Which is another reason you can't 'look it up on line'.
Some say that I've been Delphied I'm not sure what it means.  They say that I'm a victim of some much bigger scheme. Do you believe it?
http://www.iror.org/delphied.asp

Have you been Delphied?

Mass Hopenosis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y32uFsgFmeQ