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Author Topic: REMEMBER ALL THE PETITIONS TO SECEDE FROM THE UNION?  (Read 1389 times)
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« on: January 12, 2013, 01:29:53 PM »

we said this would be the result  I admit I am surprised he responded at all.


White House responds to secession petitions, calls for unity instead


[quoteThe White House has responded to a handful of petitions calling for various states to be given the right to secede from the United States, calling for unity and participatory government instead.

"In a nation of 300 million people — each with their own set of deeply-held beliefs — democracy can be noisy and controversial. And that's a good thing. Free and open debate is what makes this country work, and many people around the world risk their lives every day for the liberties we often take for granted," writes Director of the Office of Public Engagement Jon Carson.

"But as much as we value a healthy debate, we don't let that debate tear us apart," he adds.


A handful of "We the People" petitions calling for the government to allow various states to secede cropped up following President Obama's reelection. The White House has responded to all those which received more than 25,000 signatures within a month, the minimum required to get a response.

The states included in the response are Florida, Louisiana, Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, North Carolina, South Carolina and Texas. The Texas petition received over 125,000 signatures, more than any other. 


Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/276817-white-house-responds-to-secession-petitions#ixzz2HnMGNox5][/quote]
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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2013, 01:39:10 PM »

Sounds to me like a stalling tactic so they can get the drones and FEMA vehicles ready for the economic collapse.

If the states were smart governors would be meeting to start a new federal government with Ron Paul as its President.
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2013, 02:31:14 PM »

Full response to the Texas petition:

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Official White House Response to Peacefully grant the State of Texas to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government.

Our States Remain United
By Jon Carson

Thank you for using the White House's online petitions platform to participate in your government.
In a nation of 300 million people -- each with their own set of deeply-held beliefs -- democracy can be noisy and controversial. And that's a good thing. Free and open debate is what makes this country work, and many people around the world risk their lives every day for the liberties we often take for granted.
But as much as we value a healthy debate, we don't let that debate tear us apart.

Our founding fathers established the Constitution of the United States "in order to form a more perfect union" through the hard and frustrating but necessary work of self-government. They enshrined in that document the right to change our national government through the power of the ballot -- a right that generations of Americans have fought to secure for all. But they did not provide a right to walk away from it. As President Abraham Lincoln explained in his first inaugural address in 1861, "in contemplation of universal law and of the Constitution the Union of these States is perpetual." In the years that followed, more than 600,000 Americans died in a long and bloody civil war that vindicated the principle that the Constitution establishes a permanent union between the States. And shortly after the Civil War ended, the Supreme Court confirmed that "[t]he Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union composed of indestructible States."

Although the founders established a perpetual union, they also provided for a government that is, as President Lincoln would later describe it, "of the people, by the people, and for the people" -- all of the people. Participation in, and engagement with, government is the cornerstone of our democracy. And because every American who wants to participate deserves a government that is accessible and responsive, the Obama Administration has created a host of new tools and channels to connect concerned citizens with White House. In fact, one of the most exciting aspects of the We the People platform is a chance to engage directly with our most outspoken critics.

So let's be clear: No one disputes that our country faces big challenges, and the recent election followed a vigorous debate about how they should be addressed. As President Obama said the night he won re-election, "We may have battled fiercely, but it's only because we love this country deeply and we care so strongly about its future."

Whether it's figuring out how to strengthen our economy, reduce our deficit in a responsible way, or protect our country, we will need to work together -- and hear from one another -- in order to find the best way to move forward. I hope you'll take a few minutes to learn more about the President's ideas and share more of your own.

Jon Carson is Director of the Office of Public Engagement

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-texas-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/BmdWCP8B
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2013, 02:38:51 PM »

Yet another stalling tactic.

We should have seceded, and reformed and be swearing in Ron Paul as the real 44th President of the United States.

Obama was not qualified for either term.

But no the states are just going to sit it out and wait for Globalist forces to mount up and be taken down one by one.  Starting with Missouri and NY, then perhaps a Mexican coup in California.

Then if the UN mercs fail, the Chinese will send their armies to repossess America for the debts we owe them.

But no America let's just sit it out and wait.
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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2013, 02:39:43 PM »

Full response to the Texas petition:


It would have been simpler if they just typed "No".

Of course the whole thing is one long elaborate weasel speech, and although its possible to tear holes in it, why bother it is just the product of a puppets employee who got the order "tell them no, but try not to loose to many votes".

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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2013, 02:51:16 PM »

Who gives a rats àśș what they think.  They don't represent the people anymore so they aren't really a government of the people.  If states want to break away then so be it and get on with it.   Just ignore the talking heads in Washington.   I also think they are wrong in their assessment of secession but I could care less about the debate with the Washington idiots.   Just do it and be done with it and live it and live with it.
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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2013, 03:16:08 PM »

It would have been simpler if they just typed "No".

Of course the whole thing is one long elaborate weasel speech, and although its possible to tear holes in it, why bother it is just the product of a puppets employee who got the order "tell them no, but try not to loose to many votes".



More like “keep them pacified”. Votes no longer matter. I’m starting to wonder if they ever really did. Mr. Carson’s “power of the ballot” no longer exists but the illusion of it still does, for now. The faux olive branch is “We invite you to participate in ways that we completely control.”

Office of Public Engagement? Who thought that one up?

Engaging the enemy…..

Engaging the public…..

This WH response really reflects the elitist attitude.
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« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2013, 02:18:24 PM »

It's going to take FEMA Trucks to really wake people up tho.
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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2013, 01:42:48 PM »

What is the next step since the White House said NO.

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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2013, 02:02:22 PM »


States' Steps to Seccession then Reconstitution‏


Step 1. 10th Amendment Warning: The feds are warned by State Resolution when they are violating the Constitution. They are respectfully asked to cease unconstitutional legislation and other federal mandates immediately. This began in the mid 1990s and reached a 3/4ths majority of states almost 4 years ago...

Step 2. Nullification: This is a refusal by the state government to implement any and all unconstitutional federal mandates sent down, as determined by the state legislatures to be in disregard of the previous resolution... This has been happening for a couple of years now... this also signals the search and selection of delegates to a New Continental Congress, the seeds of a provisional government for maintaining our Constitutional rule of law during the removal of the usurper infiltrators and their unconstitutional offices should step 3 be needed.

Step 3. Disavowal and Secession. This is a timed move by the states in unison. A recall and dis-empowering of all present state representatives and senators assigned by state elections to the federal city. This is when false flags will begin in earnest. The bastards will not allow their power to be diminished without a fight. The globalists will start false flag skirmishes like Hitler did on the Polish border before he invaded.

These attacks will be leveled not only on us but particularly against States that have not yet joined the majority, to keep them from re-uniting with us. The ratifying majority of States have remained united during the withdrawal and will know these false flags and their purpose outright. We must be prepared to deal with them as the foreign attack or invasion they are whether against us, or one of our prodigal sibling States.

The States not yet enjoined will be vulnerable and need our protection. The united majority, must not harm the splintered minority however... If attacked they will either be absorbed by the global empire or quickly realize they are under global attack and begin one by one to rejoin us.

The Oath bound military will be with us from the beginning, or they will be in violation of their Oath to the Constitution. We the ratifying Majority of States retain the Constitution as our own you see, by at least a 3/4ths Constitutional majority.

Step 4: Reconstitution. This will begin at the moment of disavowal and withdrawal. the Continental Congress will act as provisional constitutional government as long as it takes to re establish and man our normal Constitutional government. A  Continental Congress has convened and was held about 4 years ago in South Carolina, by the way...

This is a chalk board overview at best of the process, Hope it helps. YOU NEVER CALL FOR, OR SUPPORT A CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION, not even in the best of times... the Bastards control them, because they have control of the delegate selection process at the top... they will gut the Constitution and kill the Republic if one is convened. We have a predatory federal government as well as some state governments in power right now...please try to remember that.
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2013, 02:05:59 PM »

If the White House is calling for unity then they better get with the program and listen to The People. They have set the brush fire in the hearts and minds of The People.
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