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Illinois Moves to Outlaw Modern Firearms and Criminalize Owners


Kurt Nimmo
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January 2, 2012

Illinois Senate President John Cullerton will reportedly introduce a draconian bill today in the Illinois legislature that will effectively ban all modern firearms, criminalize their owners, and subject their guns to confiscation by the Illinois State Police.

The proposed outlawing of firearms was confirmed by the NRA’s Illinois rep, according to Robert Farago, writing for The Truth About Guns website.

The move coincides with a federal effort by Senator Dianne Feinstein to introduce legislation outlawing semiautomatic firearms and imposing de facto confiscation.

From the Illinois State Rifle Association:

    Based on what we know about Cullerton’s bill, firearms that would be banned include all semiautomatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns. Pump action shotguns would be banned as well. This would be a very comprehensive ban that would include not only so-called ‘assault weapons’ but also such classics as M1 Garands and 1911-based pistols. There would be no exemptions and no grandfathering. You would have a very short window to turn in your guns to the State Police to avoid prosecution.


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Re: Illinois Moves to Outlaw Modern Firearms and Criminalize Owners
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2013, 01:25:08 pm »
But the gangs and criminals in ShitCago will still have their guns - since they're already obtained illegally.
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Re: Illinois Moves to Outlaw Modern Firearms and Criminalize Owners
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2013, 01:54:57 pm »
But the gangs and criminals in ShitCago will still have their guns - since they're already obtained illegally.

Unless there is theft, there is no such thing as illegally obtained guns, just like there is no such thing as illegally obtained hammers... If they are used to commit crimes... then they become a tool of criminals... yet in the hands of the law abiding, they are defense against the criminals... the balance of power has been maintained.

The "laws" created by the feds and the states that infringe on our unalienable right to "keep and bear arms"... are themselves gargantuan leaps of illegality and unconstitutionality...

If you have guns keep them and be ready to bear them.

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Bluffs have to be called.  Things are slipping so far because collectively we are not calling "their" bluff.  If we called their bluff when Martial Law was threatened in the streets if the Banks didn't get their money would things have gone this far?  If we called their bluff when the Feds threatened to blockade Texas over that TSA business, would things have gone this far?  In Poker if you never call their bluff, they will bluff all the time....

Now imagine if we don't call their bluff on outlawing firearms....  Where does that lead?

As a nation you'd best be prepared to call that bluff with the barrel of a gun because if you let them cross that line there is no other line that matters in protecting your freedom.

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Bluffs have to be called.  Things are slipping so far because collectively we are not calling "their" bluff.  If we called their bluff when Martial Law was threatened in the streets if the Banks didn't get their money would things have gone this far?  If we called their bluff when the Feds threatened to blockade Texas over that TSA business, would things have gone this far?  In Poker if you never call their bluff, they will bluff all the time....

Now imagine if we don't call their bluff on outlawing firearms....  Where does that lead?

As a nation you'd best be prepared to call that bluff with the barrel of a gun because if you let them cross that line there is no other line that matters in protecting your freedom.

They cannot lawfully make any firearm illegal... it is unconstitutional. Clear back to the first national firearms infringement with the Firearms Act of 1934, endorsed by the NRA, btw... it and all enacted since, and any they plan to enact in the future are unconstitutional because they impose an INFRINGEMENT...!

Therefore, the "laws" themselves, both state and federal, are ILLEGAL, and impeachable if only we the people will stand up in support of the Constitution and tell them to f*ck-off.

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They also cannot lawfully defraud the election process to get their goons in power....

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They also cannot lawfully defraud the election process to get their goons in power....

The fact that they are calling for the confiscation of Arms, is on it's face proof they are criminals, whether properly elected or not.

How they got into office is water under the bridge at this point. The fact is they are there, and engaged in open and blatant criminality under "Color of Law" from Sworn positions of Trust.  THIS PROVES THEY ARE CRIMINALS!

WAKE UP PEOPLE!

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People say "Water Under the Bridge" to much.  New Presidents always say Water Under the Bridge" when talking about the criminal acts of the last President.  Nothing is "Water Under the Bridge" with these people.  Water Under the Bridge is an excuse to let corruption slide.

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They cannot lawfully make any firearm illegal... it is unconstitutional. Clear back to the first national firearms infringement with the Firearms Act of 1934, endorsed by the NRA, btw... it and all enacted since, and any they plan to enact in the future are unconstitutional because they impose an INFRINGEMENT...!

Therefore, the "laws" themselves, both state and federal, are ILLEGAL, and impeachable if only we the people will stand up in support of the Constitution and tell them to f*ck-off.

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This is one of my favorite reads:

"The general misconception is that any statute passed by legislators bearing the appearance of law constitutes the law of the land. The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and any statue, to be valid, must be in agreement. It is impossible for both the Constitution and a law violating it to be valid; one must prevail. This is succinctly stated as follows: The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it. An unconstitutional law, in legal contemplation, is as inoperative as if it had never been passed. Such a statute leaves the question that it purports to settle just as it would be had the statute not been enacted." "Since an unconstitutional law is void, the general principals follow that it imposes no duties, confers no rights, creates no office, bestows no power or authority on anyone, affords no protection, and justifies no acts performed under it.... A void act cannot be legally consistent with a valid one. An unconstitutional law cannot operate to supersede any existing valid law. Indeed, insofar as a statute runs counter to the fundamental law of the land, it superseded thereby. No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it." Sixteenth American Jurisprudence, Second Edition, Section 177.
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People say "Water Under the Bridge" to much.  New Presidents always say Water Under the Bridge" when talking about the criminal acts of the last President.  Nothing is "Water Under the Bridge" with these people.  Water Under the Bridge is an excuse to let corruption slide.

THEY ARE THERE... THEY ARE ENGAGED IN PROVABLE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY... IN YOUR FACE...and you want to talk about how they got there???

This thread is rather to organize resistance to stop this treason... to get a ground swell against them for this OPEN BOOK VIOLATION OF THEIR OATH OF OFFICE... I want to stop them and then be rid of them, for the obvious provable criminality they're perpetrating NOW!

Your bringing up of vote fraud here... is a diversion, like going after a criminal for breaking and entering, rather that the murder he is committing now that he is inside...

HOW THE CRIMINALS GOT INTO OFFICE IS "WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE." WHAT THEY ARE DOING THERE, NOW, IS PUTTING THE MUZZLE IN YOUR FACE... AND SLOWLY SQUEEZING THE TRIGGER!

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Illinois Moves to Outlaw Modern Firearms and Criminalize Owners


Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
January 2, 2012

Illinois Senate President John Cullerton will reportedly introduce a draconian bill today in the Illinois legislature that will effectively ban all modern firearms, criminalize their owners, and subject their guns to confiscation by the Illinois State Police.

The proposed outlawing of firearms was confirmed by the NRA’s Illinois rep, according to Robert Farago, writing for The Truth About Guns website.

The move coincides with a federal effort by Senator Dianne Feinstein to introduce legislation outlawing semiautomatic firearms and imposing de facto confiscation.

From the Illinois State Rifle Association:

    Based on what we know about Cullerton’s bill, firearms that would be banned include all semiautomatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns. Pump action shotguns would be banned as well. This would be a very comprehensive ban that would include not only so-called ‘assault weapons’ but also such classics as M1 Garands and 1911-based pistols. There would be no exemptions and no grandfathering. You would have a very short window to turn in your guns to the State Police to avoid prosecution.


Read more at the title link.

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"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are
neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws
make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants;
they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for
an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than
an armed man."
~Thomas Jefferson,
quoting from "Commonplace Book, 1774-1776," by
Cesare Beccaria, On Crimes and Punishment.


http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2013/1/urgent-illinois-senate-expected-to-vote-on-gun-and-magazine-ban-as-early-as-this-afternoon.aspx


URGENT: Illinois Senate Expected to Vote on Gun and Magazine Ban as Early as This Afternoon

Posted on January 2, 2013


 If you own a semi-automatic firearm or detachable magazine, they may be banned and you could become a felon unless you act NOW

As the Illinois Senate convenes this afternoon for its Lame Duck session, anti-gun legislators led by Senate President John Cullerton and backed by Governor Patrick Quinn (D) are deceptively trying to sneak through a sweeping draconian gun and magazine ban in Springfield.  In their last days as lawmakers (some were defeated for reelection and others retiring), these legislators are attempting to quietly trample on the rights of all law-abiding gun owners in Illinois.  The many restrictions contained in this legislation are subject to changes, however, this latest attack on your Second Amendment rights as currently drafted would turn law-abiding owners into felons for possession of nearly all common semi-automatic firearms or detachable magazines.  Not only would such a ban include classic firearms like the 1911 and common handguns like Glocks, this ban would also outlaw common hunting guns like the Ruger 10/22 and Remington 740 series.

It is imperative that you contact your state Senator IMMEDIATELY to express your opposition and continue to do so every day this week.  The Lame Duck session starts today and ends on January 9, so this legislation will be moving at lightning speed in both the Senate and House, with very little time to spare.  At this time, it is rumored that both the semi-auto and magazine ban bills will be sent to the Executive Committee this afternoon.  Please contact those members (listed below) as well as your state Senator.  Your telephone calls  will determine the outcome of this assault on your Second Amendment rights.

Anti-gun politicians are attempting to sacrifice your constitutional rights as a scapegoat for the criminal acts of lunatics and violence in Chicago by gangs and drug dealers.  Don't let them succeed in banning your firearms or magazines as an excuse for stopping criminals from misusing them.  Criminals -- by definition -- violate laws, especially gun control laws, including often: murder, rape, robbery, drug-dealing, gang violence, firearm theft, carrying concealed firearms without a license/permit, federal gun-free school zones. They do not obey gun bans, register their firearms, or get subjected to any gun control schemes (like the lone state ban on carrying concealed firearms for self-defense) that only affect and penalize law-abiding citizens like you.

The NRA-ILA will continue to send legislative updates as details become available.  However, it is of the utmost importance that you act NOW to stop this gun and magazine ban.  Call  your state Senator and members of the Executive Committee IMMEDIATELY and express your opposition to banning firearms or magazines.

To reach the main line for the Illinois General Assembly, please call 217-782-2000.





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They are going ahead with it all this time. I think Max Keiser's prediction of global bond collapse in April may be correct. Everything seems to point to it.

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-lameduck-20130102,0,1584484.story

  Illinois is way in the red---maybe that's why they pushed this gun control crap up front.


Cover your eyes. The Illinois General Assembly goes back to work — if you want to call it that — in the next few days. It's a new year, but the state still faces the same perils of 2012: $9.7 billion in unpaid bills, $96 billion in unfunded pensions, constant reminders from the credit raters at Moody's and Standard and Poor's that the state is hurtling off its own fiscal cliff.

The first days of January are supposedly the moment to get things done in Springfield because the state is full of lame ducks — lawmakers who were defeated or didn't run for re-election in November and who, as a result, have newfound freedom in their final days in power to boldly vote their, uh, consciences.

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the people AND police in my community are ready to stand in ARMED resistance to this!

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This is one of my favorite reads:

"The general misconception is that any statute passed by legislators bearing the appearance of law constitutes the law of the land. The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and any statue, to be valid, must be in agreement. It is impossible for both the Constitution and a law violating it to be valid; one must prevail. This is succinctly stated as follows: The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it. An unconstitutional law, in legal contemplation, is as inoperative as if it had never been passed. Such a statute leaves the question that it purports to settle just as it would be had the statute not been enacted." "Since an unconstitutional law is void, the general principals follow that it imposes no duties, confers no rights, creates no office, bestows no power or authority on anyone, affords no protection, and justifies no acts performed under it.... A void act cannot be legally consistent with a valid one. An unconstitutional law cannot operate to supersede any existing valid law. Indeed, insofar as a statute runs counter to the fundamental law of the land, it superseded thereby. No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it." Sixteenth American Jurisprudence, Second Edition, Section 177.

Mike,

As you well know, the first volume of the statutes of a States' Law, whether it be Illinois, California, Colorado, Kansas, New York, and so on, on page one, they contain the Supreme Law for the united States... The Charters of Freedom as the National Archives calls them; the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and Bill of rights, and then the later amendments preceding the Enabling Clause for that States' Constitution.

This is not by accident, this is to remind legislators that nothing that follows these Laws, can contradict or stand against them and still be considered viable Law.

The Particular section of the 16th A.J.P. you have reproduced here is based largely on two of my favorite Supreme Court decisions, namely, Marbury vs. Madison, (1803) and Norton vs. Shelby County, (1886). They illustrate responsibility of each individual legislator to uphold the Constitution in any and all legislation they propose or vote upon... It also places responsibility on any office holder in state government, to refuse any order to enforce any law they see as repugnant or in opposition to the foundation law. The founders intent as projected in these cases implores each and every individual in the States to be vigilant against any "color of law" unconstitutional moves by government at any level and rout it out and expose it.

As you know, we will find much that must be changed, and some things needing to be reinstated, even within the later amendments to the Republics' Constitution as well. 9th and 10th Amendment medicine will be needed in heavy measure to get the Republic back in trim and on its' destined course... Here are a couple of quotes from the court cases mentioned.

"Certainly all those who have framed written Constitutions contemplate
them as forming the fundamental and paramount law of the nation, and
consequently the theory of every such government must be that an act
of the Legislature repugnant to the Constitution is void.

This theory is essentially attached to a written Constitution, and is
consequently to be considered by this Court as one of the fundamental
principles of our society. It is not, therefore, to be lost sight of in the
further consideration of this subject.

If an act of the Legislature repugnant to the Constitution is void, does it,
notwithstanding its invalidity, bind the Courts and oblige them to give it
effect? Or, in other words, though it be not law, does it constitute a rule
as operative as if it was a law? This would be to overthrow in fact what
was established in theory, and would seem, at first view, an absurdity
too gross to be insisted on."
~Justice John Marshall
Marbury v Madison, 5 U.S 137, 1803



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it confers no rights; it imposes no duties;
it affords no protection; it creates no office;                                                  
it is, in legal contemplation, as inoperative
as though it had never been passed."

~U.S. Supreme Court,
Norton V. Shelby County
118 U.S. 425, 442

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someone get word to Alex.

Democrats pull plug on gun, ammo bans
http://qctimes.com/news/state-and-regional/illinois/democrats-pull-plug-on-gun-ammo-bans/article_32f17fc4-55db-11e2-a7a7-001a4bcf887a.html
 There’s not enough support in the Illinois Senate to impose tough new restrictions on semiautomatic weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips.

In a setback for gun-control advocates in the wake of the killings of school children in Connecticut, the Illinois Senate was poised to adjourn Thursday without voting on two pieces of legislation aimed at limiting access to certain kinds of weapons and bullets.

Although the two proposals could emerge again when the legislature reconvenes next week, the lack of action shows the General Assembly remains divided on how to balance Second Amendment issues.

A spokeswoman for Senate President John Cullerton, D-Chicago, offered no timetable for when the gun safety proposals might surface again.

“We will take some time to work on these important issues to advance them in the near future,” Rikeesha Phelon noted in a message to reporters.

One proposal would restrict the possession, delivery, sale and transfer of semiautomatic weapons, including handguns and rifles.

The National Rifle Association lobbied against the measure, saying the ban would take as many as 50 percent of long guns off the market in Illinois. Gun manufacturers also said the proposal could force them to lay off workers.

The legislation, sponsored by Sen. Antonio Munoz, D-Chicago, would allow people who currently own such weapons to keep them as long as they register the firearms with the Illinois State Police.

Sen. Dan Kotowski, D-Park Ridge, sponsored the proposal that would limit ammunition magazines to 10 or fewer rounds.

Gov. Pat Quinn has pushed for a ban on assault-style weapons, but a spokeswoman recently suggested action could come later this spring.
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=240117.msg1394464#msg1394464

It seems the Illinois Legislature finally slid off their Emerald City utopist glasses, and took a good look at the true lay of the land and their constituents. What they saw is a huge Constitutional army amassing in all directions around them...

People in Illinois need to fill their state legislators in-boxes, electronic and hard-copy, with the understanding that by trying to limit the people's Arms, they telegraph their true intent, to enslave the people. We all should do the same in our states. We must leave no ambiguity. These legislators must realize that we can read and comprehend; the 2nd Amendment is clear... the word "hunting" does not appear in it, and the fact that they are coming for the peoples arms by legislation means that all who so contemplate are in OPEN violation of their Oath of Office.

If a 2lb carpenters' framing hammer had been used to kill the 27 in Connecticut, would their be a call to restrict hammers...? Of course not.

This is an emotion ladened ploy to get people to give up their guns and their God given right to protect their life, liberty, and property against any and all criminality, just because government knows best how to protect you..? ya, as your jailer.

Keep up the pressure people, this is a ploy... their next move will come as a Trojan horse... be ever vigilant... you can bet they are thinking of ways to to get around this... they will never stop... and we must never stop stopping them.


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On behalf of the patriots here in IL I want to thank all of you that helped in getting the info out on this,  Thanks to Alex too.

We have a growing FB page if you would like to check us out.  It's a nation group.
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Is everyone ready for "Round 2"??? The Illinois House goes back in session Sunday, January 6th, and we have received information they will be trying to put a similar bill to "Ban" firearms that the Senate tried yesterday but pulled. More information will be released when we obtain it. Get ready to start making those phone calls and e-mails again!!!

TRYING to source this info now.  will update.


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