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Arpaio Proposes Armed Volunteer Posse to Patrol Schools
« on: December 28, 2012, 02:24:15 pm »
Comment: Here's the “do something” AND it doesn’t cost taxpayers a single penny. No need to "demand a plan". People are perfectly capable of coming up with their own solutions. What’s not to like about this idea?


By Miranda Leitsinger, NBC News

Arizona sheriffs and the state’s attorney general are pushing controversial programs to allow school officials and volunteers to carry guns in the wake of the shootings at a Connecticut school that left 20 children dead.

The latest proposal comes from Sheriff Joe Arpaio, the self-described toughest sheriff in America, who wants to station his “posse” of volunteers outside of about 50 schools in Maricopa County within a week, according to KPNX, a local NBC station.

 “Everybody else is talking about what their ideas are. They want new laws. This is immediate. I don't need a new law to send out my posse,” he told NBC affiliate, KPNX, on Thursday. “I feel like we should do whatever we can outside of the schools.”

Arpaio’s volunteers number about 3,000, with 300 to 400 carrying weapons. They log about 100 hours of training and undergo background checks, just like deputies, according to KPNX.

He first sent out his posse in 1993 to guard malls over the holiday season because of violence at those venues in the past. He believed that program worked, saying there have been zero violent re-occurrences, azfamily.com reported.

Arpaio’s plan follows similar ones released earlier this week: Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu has proposed arming willing principals, according to ABC15.com, while Arizona Attorney General Tom Horne said he wanted to arm a designated employee in every school, KPNX reported.

“Why not use these people we trust if they are willing to protect themselves and our children?” Babeu said.

Horne said a few counties have indicated they’d like to sign up for his program, though state law currently prohibits having firearms on public school campuses. Horne said he already has a sponsor for the necessary state legislation to implement his plan.

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Re: Arpaio Proposes Armed Volunteer Posse to Patrol Schools
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2012, 03:13:12 pm »
I'd have two conditions to volunteer:

I get to borrow a vest.

I do NOT have to wear a uniform.
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Re: Arpaio Proposes Armed Volunteer Posse to Patrol Schools
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2012, 03:37:07 pm »
I think a lot of good, upstanding people would be willing to volunteer for this sort of thing. It’s an excellent example of a community working together under proper elected authority while keeping the federal and state governments out of it. It utterly destroys the “thin blue line” and “civilian” notions. Sheriff Arpaio is demonstrating that LE officials can trust members of the community.

In many places, EMT’s and firefighters consist of non-paid volunteers already. Why not armed security for the schools?
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Re: Arpaio Proposes Armed Volunteer Posse to Patrol Schools
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2012, 04:02:55 pm »
Arizona has the right idea - arm the school schools.

One thing that seems to be overlooked {or, I just haven't seen it anywhere}:

Homeschooling is a huge option for the safety of our kids.   For some reason, homeschoolers are daemonized and targeted by Child Protective Services (our government)   :o 

However, for those who prefer public schools - we have a huge problem in the name of political correctness where we are lucky if our kids learn to read and write.  Now they are used for false-flag operations.

Parents find themselves teaching their kids to read and write at home, as it is.  Mis-educated or re-educated Teachers are too busy "re-educating" our children into a collectivist system, teaching kids aberrent sexual and dying outlook,  daemoning parents and alienting the kids from their parents, to teach even the basics. 

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Re: Arpaio Proposes Armed Volunteer Posse to Patrol Schools
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2012, 05:08:11 pm »
 Good point,  the teachers as well, those who are with the capacity, should be trained and carry a concealed weapon. WHY NOT?
 There should be no gun ban whatsoever where innocents are gathered, be it a movie theater or school, etc.
 
 I think it was Larson who posted about a city that requires citizens open carry, there has been no killings and crime is about 00.

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« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2012, 05:14:58 pm »
They have cops to keep them off the street drugs how about getting them off the big-pharma?
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Gun Classes for Teachers Taking Off Following NRA’s Suggestion
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2012, 05:49:02 pm »
Good point,  the teachers as well, those who are with the capacity, should be trained and carry a concealed weapon. WHY NOT?

Comment: Already tons of offers right now to train teachers for FREE or at a severe discount. Just one or two unknown CCW holders in a school would be a huge deterrent. This idea is already proven to work for airline security with air marshals.

Gun Classes for Teachers Taking Off Following NRA’s Suggestion

Posted By admin On December 28, 2012 @ 6:14 am In U.S. News | No Comments
Bob Adelmann
New American [1]
Dec 28, 2012

On the heels of the suggestion by the National Rifle Association (NRA) that schools should have armed protection to prevent another Sandy Hook Elementary School-style shooting, numerous groups have announced firearms training programs for teachers, some for free. In Ohio, the Buckeye Firearms Foundation is providing teachers with free firearms training [2]. Foundation spokesman Jim Reese said:

We need to examine how we enhance the safety of our children in that environment. The first responder in a situation such as what we had in that school has got to be the teachers. You’ve got to educate the teacher, and when you look at the folks who stop these things while they’re in progress, it typically is someone else who is armed.

Jim Irvine, president of the foundation, said [3] that the usual $1,000 fee for the three-day training, which includes lodging, tuition, and ammunition, would be paid for by the foundation, adding: “What better use for an educational foundation that to help educators protect our children?”

Irvine, who is also an airline pilot and carries a concealed firearm, said that up until the ghastly attack on youngsters in Connecticut earlier in December, “School boards were just in denial. That denial got ripped away in Newtown. The idea [behind providing this training for teachers] is to make it hard to kill a kid.” He noted that airline safety improved after pilots were permitted to carry following training. Schools should be no exception.

In Salt Lake City, the Utah Shooting Sports Council said [4] it would waive its usual $50 fee for teachers taking its one-day training class. It will be a pilot program initially involving just 24 teachers but will be expanded after the first of the year to include 200 more. Clark Aposhian, one of the instructors, said:
Schools [should be] some of the safest places in the world, but I think teachers understand that something has changed — the sanctity of schools has changed.

Mass shootings may still be rare, but that doesn’t help you when [a] monster comes in.

We’re not suggesting that teachers roam the halls [looking] for a monster … but a gun is one more option if [a] shooter comes in.

He added that [5] his training will be similar to training a school employee on how to use a fire extinguisher in case of a fire.

Utah State Representative Curt Oda, who is also a concealed weapons permit instructor, is offering discounted training for teachers as well, reducing the normal fee for a day’s training from $70 to just $20. Oda said: Seconds count in most situations like the one in Sandy Hook [but] help from law enforcement is minutes away….

Yes, law enforcement [there] did a good job, but when it is your responsibility to defend yourself and others around you, you need to be prepared.

Police do a great job, but 90 percent of the time, they are there to clean up, not to prevent.

In Little Rock, Arkansas, Rock City Lenders is paying the fee [6] for teachers who are interested in such training as a way to give back to the community and express in a positive way its grief over the Connecticut shooting. Said Mike Willingham, “We feel like if a person is armed, then that empowers them and [they] don’t have to feel like a victim.” He added: “Teachers go to the grocery store. They go to different places outside of school … so they still need to [learn how] to protect themselves.” Rock City Lenders said that 50 people have already signed up for the training, which costs $80.

Proponents of firearms training cite numerous advantages of such training for teachers. Glenn Reynolds, writing in USA Today [7], reviewed some of the lessons learned from the Sandy Hook Elementary School tragedy, noting that “Twenty minutes is forever. Five minutes is forever when violence is underway, but 20 minutes — a third of an hour — means that ‘first responders’ aren’t likely to do much more than clean up the mess.”

Reynolds also observed that as more and more people recognize the threat and prepare themselves accordingly, the less crime there is. He cited the FBI’s report [8] that in 2011, violent crime decreased by four percent from the previous year, including murders, rapes, robberies, and aggravated assaults. And that wasn’t just a one-year anomaly, either. As Andrew Arulanandam, a spokesman for the NRA, noted, “This is a steady decline in the FBI’s violent-crime rates.” He added that 25 years ago, very few states allowed concealed carry permits, but today more than 40 states do. The more people carry, the lower crime rates go.

John Lott explained this in his book “More Guns, Less Crime [9],” basing his research on years of crime statistics and creating a document which, according to the Wall Street Journal, is “helping to redefine the argument over guns and gun control.”

And then there’s the simple fact that other important institutions — banks, courts, and power plants, for example — are protected with armed security, and so why not schools? [10]

Finally, many schools around the country already have armed security officers protecting the students. A Department of Education (DEA) survey which was conducted during the 2009-2010 school year found [10] that 23,200 out of the 82,800 schools they surveyed had armed security officers on campus at least once a week.

Hypocrisy among elected officials on the matter has, as a result of the Connecticut shooting, come fully into the open. Not only does virulent anti-gunner New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg have armed security personnel [7] around him at all public appearances, but the president himself sends his girls to a private school which has eleven armed guards present [11]. As Awr Hawkins noted, these are not Secret Service personnel: This is standard operating procedure for Sidwell Friends School [12].

This puts into perspective the claims by some anti-gunners that having armed protection at schools would somehow be inherently dangerous. As Randi Weingarten, head of the American Federation of Teachers, said [10] when she first heard of the suggestion, such an idea is “irresponsible and dangerous” and that “schools must be safe sanctuaries, not armed fortresses.”

With the increased interest in training teachers in the proper use of firearms to protect their charges, those complaints are starting to appear just plain silly. It’s nice to see common sense beginning to gain a foothold over such silliness.
 
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[1] New American: http://thenewamerican.com/culture/education/item/14040-gun-classes-for-teachers-taking-off-following-nra%E2%80%99s-suggestion
[2] free firearms training: http://www.cleveland.com/tipoff/index.ssf/2012/12/buckeye_firearms_association_o.html
[3] said: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/27/gun-classes-teachers-utah-ohio-shooting/1793773/
[4] said: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57560925/gun-classes-for-teachers-may-be-catching-on-in-wake-of-newtown-massacre/
[5] He added that: http://www.standard.net/stories/2012/12/26/clearfield-lawmaker-teachers-lining-gun-class?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20standard%2Ffrontpage%20(Standard-Examiner%20Latest%20Headlines)
[6] is paying the fee: http://www.fox16.com/mostpopular/story/LR-business-gives-free-gun-classes-to-teachers/ojzFyQ4o-0GKit203tHnqQ.cspx
[7] writing in USA Today: http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2012/12/25/newtown-sandy-hook-reflections/1787477/
[8] report: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/18/gun-ownership-up-crime-down/
[9] More Guns, Less Crime: http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Understanding/dp/0226493660/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1356632855&sr=1-1&keywords=more+guns+less+crim
[10] why not schools?: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324461604578193364201364432.html
[11] which has eleven armed guards present: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/23/School-Obama-s-Daughters-Attend-Has-11-Armed-Guards-Not-Counting-Secret-Service
[12] Sidwell Friends School: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidwell_Friends_School
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« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2012, 05:56:54 pm »
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« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2012, 06:24:03 pm »
Sheriff Joe is not dumb. He knows about the false flag ops.  Good Cops on the Phoenix  Police Department caught a live suitcase bomb being used by TSA for a "drill" at Sky Harbor Airport and took it out into the desert just about a year ago. That was covered up of course.
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« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2012, 06:35:57 pm »
Sheriff Joe is not dumb. He knows about the false flag ops.  Good Cops on the Phoenix  Police Department caught a live suitcase bomb being used by TSA for a "drill" at Sky Harbor Airport and took it out into the desert just about a year ago. That was covered up of course.
Hi Jerry, heard a lot of good things about Sheriff Joe. The man has honor, those guys who have taken a position of authority, for the most part, know exactly whats going on, they just sold out, .......Joe didn't.

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« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2012, 07:15:37 pm »
Hi Jerry, heard a lot of good things about Sheriff Joe. The man has honor, those guys who have taken a position of authority, for the most part, know exactly whats going on, they just sold out, .......Joe didn't.

Hey Chris, That Gifford Judge Roll shooting that happened in Tucson was obviously staged.  I was trying to find some info on the Sky Harbor false flag failure. I am pretty sure it was over a year past that happened.

Anyone remember that?
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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2012, 07:59:19 pm »
Hey Chris, That Gifford Judge Roll shooting that happened in Tucson was obviously staged.  I was trying to find some info on the Sky Harbor false flag failure. I am pretty sure it was over a year past that happened.

Anyone remember that?

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DHS: We Lost Our Own Explosives During Live Drill In Phoenix

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Sept. 5, 2011

The Department Of Homeland Security and local law enforcement have misplaced their own bomb used in a live drill at Sky Harbor Airport in Phoenix.
For the past few days the Department of Homeland Security and other officials have been hunting for live explosives that have “gone missing” from a drill conducted late last week.

The fact that the agency that is supposed to protect Americans from terror is now possibly aiding terrorists by losing track of deadly explosive compounds that could be used or blamed in future events to further control the populace, shows just how corrupt and inept most government officials have become.

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http://theintelhub.com/2011/09/05/dhs-we-lost-our-own-explosives-during-a-live-drill/

Drills are dangerous. IT'S TIME to end the drills.
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« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2012, 09:12:01 pm »
Thanks One Revelator.  That live explosives were used  during a live drill at a Busy Major Airport is so bizarre I thought it was a crazy nightmare.  It really happened!
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« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2012, 05:01:21 am »
Yepper, sure did.

The local coverage of it was decent here. But yeah, they moved right along in their stories and it quickly fell away from the lead stories. They just treated as somebody stole the case, then left it somewhere else, the cops found it, case closed. There has been no follow up here on just who and how that stuff was "stolen".

As for Arpio. My faith tells me to trust no man, and Arpio included. One the surface at least, he's a bit of an anti-establishment type official. He does buck the "system" at times, and is vocal about where he stands, and he at least projects an image of being tough, like with "Tent City". At times, his policies are a bit petty and unreasonable, like with the pink underwear and socks, and handcuffs. That's just stupid. But it's part of how he is actively doing something outside the norm, and many of his efforts I do agree with. In general, I agree inmates are treated too softly. They are there to pay a debt, not watch cable tv and play ping pong, but I digress.

Is Arpio really that much of a resister to the establishment? I really have my doubts, as you don't get to that high of a position without help. So I wil always look at him with doubt to his sincerity.

As for a "Volunteer Posse", it's his take of sorts on the local militia, though he hasn't said that that I know of, it effectively is that. The militia is broken down at the county level, and overseen by the local county sheriff. This is why the sheriff is elected, not appointed. A sheriff is essentially the governor's "generals" that command their respective militia "divisions". So I think Arpio has the right idea mostly, but there needs to be a separation from an actual law enforcement agency, even if voluntary. And instead of "posse", call them what they are; militia.

So the armed guards patrolling the schools would be the local militia made of up of all kinds of citizens, that could include a cop, or EMT, but it's of all citizens, not some specific group. Basically, the parents protecting their own kids. They have the PTA, and parents show up for that stuff, so why won't they show up to protect their kids? Well, that's because government with anti-gun laws has made sure parents can't show up armed in defense of their own kids.

Ultimately, I agree that home schooling is the goal. Get those kids out of those public indoctrination camps and back home where they belong.

Arpio has the right idea, but needs tweaking.
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Re: Arpaio Proposes Armed Volunteer Posse to Patrol Schools
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2012, 09:47:07 am »
As for a "Volunteer Posse", it's his take of sorts on the local militia, though he hasn't said that that I know of, it effectively is that. The militia is broken down at the county level, and overseen by the local county sheriff. This is why the sheriff is elected, not appointed. A sheriff is essentially the governor's "generals" that command their respective militia "divisions". So I think Arpio has the right idea mostly, but there needs to be a separation from an actual law enforcement agency, even if voluntary. And instead of "posse", call them what they are; militia.


I understand the unorganized militia to be all Male U.S. Citizens between the ages of 16 and 46. They are to provide for themselves pistol, rifle, shot, and provision for three days.

Sheriff Joe has a history of the old west and the citizen posse .

 
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« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2012, 05:22:27 am »
Correct. Your point? It's right there in the Constitution.

And a "posse" by definition is not the militia. One big difference is that a posse is temporary on a case by case basis as needed, while a militia exists as long as the state does.

I live here in the Phoenix area. I'm well-aware of Arpio's history and stances.
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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2013, 05:00:25 pm »
Drills are dangerous. IT'S TIME to end the drills.


There used to be drills in the schools where the alarm went off and all the kids were instructed to get under their desk, facing away from any windows.  These were nuclear bomb drills.

They were stopped.

It was stopped  because it was scaring the children too much.  It is tramatizing abuse to conduct drills of this kind because a child doesn't know "when it will happen" and is afraid all the time.  The state of fear is destructive.

Well.  They came up with another excuse for drills didn't they.

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