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December 24th drone attack in Yemen, toxic gas?
« on: December 26, 2012, 10:43:42 am »
One of the two drone attacks that happened on December 24th, (two days ago) in Yemen happened in the middle of my town. At 6:30 (after dark) pm local time three or four missiles were fired at three men who were on the soccer-field in the middle of town. The impact send a very strong shockwave through town and caused a black out. People living close to the pact area all said that after the explosions there were huge smoke clouds covering the area.  From the next day on people have started suffering from severe headache and extreme fatigue. I hear from friends inside police that the three bodies of the killed men swell within minutes and almost doubled in size. They seem to say that the smoke that covered the area was actually gas that was released by the missiles upon exploding.
Does anybody have any real knowledge of what sort of gas is used in this sort of missiles and what are the effects ? What would be the consequences in a quite densely populated urban area like this particular case, especially as the explosion happened on a soccer field where kids go and play every afternoon.

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Re: December 24th drone attack in Yemen, toxic gas?
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2012, 11:30:34 am »


My sympathies, "no haters" ... so horrible to hear.
Most folks here are 100% AGAINST the chicken-sh*t
robot attacks our so-called government carries out ...
but we seem to have no control over it ... we only
have two political parties with ANY chance of being
elected, and NIETHER party will stop this! I know
nothing of the people that were targeted, but it
DOES NOT MATTER ... if our government has a problem,
a case against someone, they should pursue that
person through conventional LEGAL, civilized channels!

Please relay the sorrow and disgust and good wishes to
your neighbors from your friends here at Prison Planet Forum.

Here is a thread I have been working on ... I personally don't
remember reading of shells containing gas ... but there may be ...
I would not doubt it.

Peace ....


http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=232892.msg1392411

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Re: December 24th drone attack in Yemen, toxic gas?
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2012, 02:41:37 pm »
Hi Jackson
I appreciate your words. The sad reality is the voice of people With good intentions is very hard to hear under the sound of bombs. By design of your "government" i suppose, bad feelings towards the west in general and the US in particular is only growing with this sort of cases. I hear that a quite a few pregnant women from the neighborhood where the missiles hit in have now serious problems or miscarriages due to the emotional shock triggered by the strength of the explosions. Drones have been spotted today over the city flying low, slowly and silently. People are scared and in grief.
The article collection you made is very interesting. The sensor part could explain how they spotted these guys in the middle of an urban area, it is just so crazy that their arrogance has reached the point that they fired three or four missiles right into a city (in a country that they not even at war with!!!).
Anyway if any body has any real info about gas that would have the effects described above please share it with us.

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Re: December 24th drone attack in Yemen, toxic gas?
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2012, 04:21:22 pm »


I still can't find any mention of drone
shells containing gas ... sorry, I know
you need info of what may be causing
the physical aftermath of the attack.

Can you give any information about why
the US was so intent on killing the three
men? Here is a link to a 12/24 story
online @ Huffington Post:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/24/yemen-us-drone-strike_n_2358734.html

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Earlier this year, a band of al-Qaida militants captured Radda and raised the black al-Qaida flag over an ancient castle that overlooks the town. They also stormed the local jail and freed around 150 inmates, including an unspecified number loyal to al-Qaida, but tribal leaders eventually forced the militants out with the help of the army.

Is this true?  http://yemenfox.net/news_details.php?sid=1731

What are your thoughts on the dead men?


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Re: December 24th drone attack in Yemen, toxic gas?
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2012, 02:11:09 am »
The article is about the other strike that happened the same day in another area. The guys who were killed in my town were all locals. I am not sure about them being with the al-qaa'edah gang, rumors in town say they were, but it is really hard to know for sure.

As far as the article is concerned, I can tell you that I have a lot of stories of that type. I haven't heard about this one in particular but people from that area have been reporting that al-qaaedah raids have often come along with strange attitude of the army like fleeing battle fields within minutes of the beginning of the combat leaving all their weapons behinds including heavy artillery for these guys to just come and conveniently pick them up after that. People also claim that they saw the guys of al-qaeedah heavily armed on the move with a drone flying right above them as if it was escorting them. But as I said, it is hard to verify information, this is what I hear from people from that area.

But what I can tell you is that the US and the local government have in no way had any impact on decreasing al-qaaedah presence. This group only gained some real influence and power after the US bombing campaign started. This is also about the time when they renamed themselves to "al-qaaedah". Originally they are the reconstitution of the former group ansaar ash-sharee'ah who fought along with the northern government to kick out the communists from the south in 1994. The group ceased to exist after the war because it had no purpose any more.
Then, as years passed by and tensions grew, some of their old-timers tried to rebuild it but didn't get anywhere for years up until Nobel peace prize winner had to show up on the scene. After the strike of ma'jalah they started thriving as nobody's business. It is interesting to note that locally in their area the vast majority of people and tribes did not at all agree with their ways and didn't appreciate their presence. But people kind of kept quiet about them because at the end of the day...they are from the tribe (that's the way it goes in tribal communities). But as time went by  they were wrecking more and more havoc and triggering more and more tension between authorities and tribes. Tribes tried to gain control over them and keep them in check. This is when al-qaaedah started using violence against their own people and assassinated a number of highly respected tribal community leaders. In response to this, the local tribes along with neighboring tribes came together to set up a militia. They were joined by a legendary old timer military leader from Aden who lead the attacks being in the front line and they did away with al-qaaedah within days!! and cleared them out of the whole area! The military leader got killed by a suicide bomber after that and the remains of the al-qaaedah group fled to my area after that... great huh? Ever since, a lot of assassinations happened around my area and I have two friends who narrowly escaped death by these guys.

One of them is a head of police. He has always been known for his integrity and is a religious person and highly appreciated in town (salafi by the way). He was shot in the neck one day when he came out of the mosque in his neighborhood. He survived with severe injuries.

Another very close friend of mine who is a religious leader (also salafi) who has been known for speaking out against al-qaeedah and likes for many years was ambushed while he was driving to his brother in law to pick up his kids at night. Two guys on a motorcycle were waiting for him after a turn. They aimed and shot one single bullet, as he saw them aim he ducked. As he ducked the bullet cut trough his arm. Had he not ducked he would have been hit straight in the chest. That's the fun we are having with these guys, and now good old Obama brings us the icing on top of the cake...

You asked me how I feel about these guys, I think you can get somewhat of a picture with what I wrote, I thought I would mention some details to give you another perspective on the topic. At the same time, I do really not believe that this is the way to deal with them and I am somewhat confused at how the US government sends three of four MISSILES to kill four guys!!! If they wanted to do away with them, 4 bullets would have been enough, you can get them here for less than 1.5 USD. What sense does that make to you??? 

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Re: December 24th drone attack in Yemen, toxic gas?
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2012, 10:03:39 am »
Here we go; second drone attack this Friday 28th of December at about 4pm. It happened about two kilometers outside of town this time close to a shanty town of Somalian refugees. So far we hear about two killed with two missiles.

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Re: December 24th drone attack in Yemen, toxic gas?
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2012, 11:16:41 am »

no haters ... thank you for your detailed post. I am trying to
digest all the info there, but admittedly, the complexity of the religious
and tribal affiliations are daunting for an outsider with scant knowledge
of your history. By-the-way ... is English your first language?


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Here we go; second drone attack this Friday 28th of December at about 4pm. It happened
about two kilometers outside of town this time close to a shanty town of Somalian refugees.
So far we hear about two killed with two missiles.


We (American public) see precious little "alternative" reports about such heinous drone attacks
from people-on-the-ground ... we only get the Government/Media propaganda. Here is a
Mainstrem Media report of the December 28 attack you mention .... what do you make of it?

It seems to me, the US military just damn well kills whoever they please and just call the
dead guys AL QUEDA ... no matter what ... never mind that the US is funding and fighting
along-side "AL QUEDA" in some locations.



~~~~~~~~~> ARTICLE HERE: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-rt-yemen-dronel5e8ns7yi-20121228,0,4692080.story

Two al Qaeda suspects killed in Yemen drone strike-official
  
Reuters
9:45 a.m. CST, December 28, 2012


ADEN, Yemen, Dec 28 (Reuters) - Two suspected al
Qaeda-linked insurgents were killed in a drone strike in Yemen's
eastern region of Hadramout on Friday, a local security official
said.

The two men were riding a motorcycle west of the coastal
town of al-Sheher when the pilotless aircraft fired at them, the
official told Reuters, declining to be named. He gave no further
details of the identity of those killed.

On Monday, at least five people were killed in two drone
strikes in Yemen, one of them also in Hadramout, the first such
attacks in several weeks.

The United States has escalated its use of drones against al
Qaeda in Yemen. The Islamist group exploited mass
anti-government unrest last year to seize swathes of territory
in the south before being driven out by a military offensive in
June.


(Reporting by Mohamed Mokhashaf, Writing by Raissa Kasolowsky;
Editing by Jon Boyle)

Copyright © 2012, Reuters

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Re: December 24th drone attack in Yemen, toxic gas?
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2012, 02:18:21 pm »
Driven out by a military offensive my foot! It happened as I mentionned previously.
English is not my first language. The stuff is definitely very complex, it is always outrageous to see how media always depict situations so simply: " these are the good guys and those are the bad guys, so they need to be fought." conflicts are complex and this one is no exception, and US policy is just making things worse and worse and worse.

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Re: December 24th drone attack in Yemen, toxic gas?
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2012, 01:53:05 am »
Hi people,

We are getting unconfirmed reports that the local director of national security service has been assassinated yesterday.

Here below is a message that a close friend of mine wrote and requested me to post it on the net. He lives quite close to where the missiles hit. He wants to let people know what it feels like:

Fighting Terrorism With Terrorism
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The Story of a Yemeni Seacoast City living in ‘Drone fear’


 

On Monday evening December 24th, I was playing at home with my two children who are 2 and 4 years old, my wife was sitting in a chair next to us watching us run around. All of a sudden we heard a tremendous noise so loud and heavy it literally knocked us on the ground. The sound contained three successive massive explosions and caused an immediate power cut. My children clung on to me, screaming and crying out of fear. I saw my wife laying on the ground in total shock, shivering in panic. After the blast, I tried to calm down my family by telling them it was nothing serious and even tried to crack a joke, feeling my heart almost beat through my chest. A few minutes later I went to the balcony of my apartment and saw a huge curtain of black smoke (about 100 meters wide) slowly rising northwards in the sky. I noticed there was a power cut in the entire city and heard some far away screams. The strong moonlight allowed me to see the explosions had occurred some 300 meters away on a very small soccer field which is linked to a line of houses from its south side. I couldn’t believe it, this just happened in the middle of the quiet town of al-Shihr which is home to many European and American citizens.

 

I came out to the street and ran into some Yemeni youth driving back with their motorcycles from where the explosions took place. They told me “go see, there is blood and body parts all over the place!” After this massive blast, which until this very day is still giving me daily headaches, I really didn't feel the need of looking at some scattered body parts. What I had, until present, only heard from on the news, now happened in our quiet seacoast city; three drone missiles killed a few men who were chatting in a small circle on the ground…

 

From Yemen to New York on Chinese motorcycles

 

There is no doubt about it; this was a terrorist attack on what media described as ‘suspected al Qaeda linked insurgents’. It was a terrorist attack because it terrorized an entire city, some women had a miscarriage and hundreds of children and mothers are now traumatized for the rest of their lives. Another reason for this being a terrorist attack is that it killed people who were only ‘suspected’ of being linked to al Qaeda. Indeed, murdering human beings who are not even proven to be guilty of terrorism with missiles is in itself a form of terrorism. But let us, for the sake of argument, assume they really were terrorists belonging to al Qaeda; why did the US have to terrorize an entire city with massive missile blasts? Has the war on terrorism now turned into a terrorist campaign itself?

 

The fact that these men were killed in this specific place in the middle of a city is a clear proof that they had been located and when someone is located, he can easily be arrested without having to fire down missiles in the midst of a populated town. Let's again, for the sake of argument, say the US did not want these men alive, then the following question arises: are the millions of dollars the US is giving the Yemeni government not enough to simply eliminate these people by killing them with machine-guns? Believe me, Yemeni’s are very handy with firearms and aim very well. So why weren't these people simply arrested or eliminated with a few gunshots? One could also question why the Yemeni authorities didn't take care of the business themselves? They would've done a much better job and would surely not have terrorized the entire city. On the other hand, Washington wouldn’t have given them a single penny for it.

 

People here have many questions Mister Obama has, until this present day, not provided an answer for. Therefore, let me present some issues that should be easier to answer: why are the US killing people (whether they are terrorists or not) in a country such as Yemen? The official argument of the White House is that their targets pose a threat to US national security. This raises another question: how? Is the US afraid these few men were going to ride on their Chinese motorcycles all the way through North Africa and the Atlantic Ocean to finally blow themselves up on Times Square?

 

Another argument the US justifies its drone operations with, is that Americans should have the right to defend their interests by protecting the Gulf of Aden. Okay, if America has the right to protect its interests, does that mean it has the right to neglect the interests of third world countries by terrorizing its people and destroying large parts of their country? Are there, besides the US, no other countries in this world that also have interests that need to be looked after? More specifically, what about the interest of all the countries the American army is bombing? Do the interests of these people, who already live a difficult life, not count? Do they not, just like US citizens, have the right to live in security, peace, welfare and tranquility without their interests being neglected?

 

Obama’s Christmas greetings To The People of Yemen

 

The day after the December 24th terrorist drone attack, I slowly drove by the small soccer field where three small missiles shook up the lives of thousands. I saw people gathered on the place the presumed terrorists were eliminated. I first hesitated but then decided to have a direct look at the crime scene. The three holes where the missiles impacted had clumsily been filled with dirt and a few stones. I noticed the first impact occurred less than a meter’s distance from the second one whereas the third impact took place three meters further. All body parts had been removed and the only clear traces from the impact were visible in the iron poles of the soccer goal; they were transpierced by dozens of small missile parts.

 

It all felt so weird; I was standing on the exact place where three suspected Yemeni terrorists had been killed by another American terrorist who was cowardly laying back in his office in a far away country. I was thinking to myself that, in mankind’s history, there probably never had been a war in which cowardliness had been as manifest as in these remote controlled drone attacks. Indeed, this is something the Founding Fathers would be ashamed of.

 

Are these killings the acts of a country that truly fights for human rights? Do these drones really come from the land of the free, the home of the brave? Is this how the United States is promoting world peace and security? Does Mister Obama realize these drone attacks constitute massive commercial campaigns for al Qaida, an organization that is getting stronger each time it gets targeted. Indeed, each time they kill a terrorist, hundreds of new supporters for al Qaeda arise, not because they like terrorism or al Qaeda but because they feel wronged when their friends and family members get killed by a foreign country who calls their loved ones ‘collateral damage’ or ‘bug splats’. Local people here argue that Mister Obama is perfectly aware of this counter productiveness and therefore purposely kills Yemenis to strengthen al Qaeda, which in turn will cause a civil war and give the US a new pretext to invade and destroy a new country while, again, killing thousands of people. This, ladies and gentlemen, is true world terrorism…

 

Drone Missiles exploding between the main hospital and local slums

 

On Friday afternoon December 28th at around 4:30 pm I heard another huge impact; this time the sound originated from a much further distance and only contained two explosions. A few minutes later, I was informed that a new terrorist drone attack killed two suspected al Qaeda linked insurgents on the outskirts of al-Shihr, riding a Chinese motorcycle. The missiles exploded only a few hundreds of meters from the city’s main hospital and very close to what the locals here call ‘the Somali slums’, an area where people live in tents and improvised huts. I can’t even imagine the terror the patients in the hospital have gone through, or the fear these impacts caused for the poor Somalis who do not even have walls protecting them from the wind…

 

If the people of America want to understand why more and more people on this planet have less and less sympathy for their country, it is crucial they put themselves in the place of those their government is oppressing, of those who were better off with cruel dictators than with an American military invasion. Would any American citizen accept that the White House close a deal with China allowing it to fire high power missiles in America’s densely populated cities? If the answer is no, then ask yourselves why Mister Obama is expecting this from other people? With the ongoing media demonization of Yemen, it might be difficult to believe for many Americans, but Yemenis also have feelings, they also have hearts and emotions, they also dream of living in peace and security and they also would love for their interests to be looked after. Yemenis, just like Americans, are opposed to terrorist acts, whether they are perpetrated by al Qaida members or US employees in a faraway drone base. Unfortunately, many self-proclaimed ‘freedom fighters’ on both sides believe that injustice can be fought with terrorism.

 

A final question I would like to present to US citizens is the following: does the American government feel superior to people living in non-Western countries? If that is the case, then you might sympathize with Europe’s horror years in which Adolf Hitler, who also felt superior to Jews and Muslims, terrorized millions of innocent people in foreign countries in a very similar way the Obama administration is doing today. If your answer is no, then please ask yourselves: why is your government treating the people of Yemen like this?

 

Many questions remain unanswered in the seacoast town of al-Shihr, but all people here pray Mister Obama is not going to send any presents for New Year’s Eve…

 

 

K.H., a European victim of US drone terrorism

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Re: December 24th drone attack in Yemen, toxic gas?
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2012, 08:40:50 am »
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Thank you, NO HATERS, for publishing your friend's sorrowful
but beautifully written account. We stateside Americans (so far) are many
miles away from these attacks and can only imagine the horror of
these fiendish, barbarous and cowardly acts.

Please contact the Alex Jones show here:

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Re: December 24th drone attack in Yemen, toxic gas?
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2013, 09:45:20 am »


http://www.presstv.ir/usdetail/282826.html


Czar of the drones



Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:9PM
Medea Benjamin, Counterpunch

In October 2011, 16-year-old Tariq Aziz attended a gathering in Islamabad where he was taught how to use a video camera so he could document the drones that were constantly circling over his Pakistani village, terrorizing and killing his family and neighbors. Two days later, when Aziz was driving with his 12-year-old cousin to a village near his home in Waziristan to pick up his aunt, his car was struck by a Hellfire missile. With the push of a button by a pilot at a U.S. base thousands of miles away, both boys were instantly vaporized-only a few chunks of flesh remained.
 
Afterwards, the U.S. government refused to acknowledge the boys’ deaths or explain why they were targeted. Why should they? This is a covert program where no one is held accountable for their actions.
 
The main architect of this drone policy that has killed hundreds, if not thousands, of innocents, including 176 children in Pakistan alone, is President Obama’s counterterrorism chief and his pick for the next director of the CIA: John Brennan.
 
On my recent trip to Pakistan, I met with people whose loved ones had been blown to bits by drone attacks, people who have been maimed for life, young victims with no hope for the future and aching for revenge. For all of them, there has been no apology, no compensation, not even an acknowledgement of their losses. Nothing.
 
That’s why when John Brennan spoke at the Woodrow Wilson International Center in Washington DC last April and described our policies as ethical, wise and in compliance with international law, I felt compelled to stand up and speak out on behalf of Tariq Aziz and so many others. As they dragged me out of the room, my parting words were: “I love the rule of law and I love my country. You are making us less safe by killing so many innocent people. Shame on you, John Brennan.”
 
Rather than expressing remorse for any civilian deaths, John Brennan made the extraordinary statement in 2011 that during the preceding year, there hadn’t been a single collateral death “because of the exceptional proficiency, precision of the capabilities we’ve been able to develop.” Brennan later adjusted his statement somewhat, saying, “Fortunately, for more than a year, due to our discretion and precision, the U.S. government has not found credible evidence of collateral deaths resulting from U.S. counterterrorism operations outside of Afghanistan or Iraq.” We later learned why Brennan’s count was so low: the administration had come up with a semantic solution of simply counting all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants.
 
The UK-based Bureau of Investigative Journalism has documented over 350 drones strikes in Pakistan that have killed 2,600-3,400 people since 2004. Drone strikes in Yemen have been on the rise, with at least 42 strikes carried out in 2012, including one just hours after President Obama’s reelection. The first strike in 2013 took place just four days into the new year.
 
A May 29, 2011 New York Times expose showed John Brennan as President Obama’s top advisor in formulating a “kill list” for drone strikes. The people Brennan recommends for the hit list are given no chance to surrender, and certainly no chance to be tried in a court of law. The kind of intelligence Brennan uses to put people on drone hit lists is the same kind of intelligence that put people in Guantanamo. Remember how the American public was assured that the prisoners locked up in Guantanamo were the “worst of the worst,” only to find out that hundreds were innocent people who had been sold to the U.S. military by bounty hunters?
 
In addition to kill lists, Brennan pushed for the CIA to have the authority to kill with even greater ease using “signature strikes,” also known as “crowd killing,” which are strikes based solely on suspicious behavior.
 
When President Obama announced his nomination of John Brennan, he talked about Brennan’s integrity and commitment to the values that define us as Americans. He said Brennan has worked to “embed our efforts in a strong legal framework” and that he “understands we are a nation of laws.”
 
A nation of laws? Really? Going around the world killing anyone we want, whenever we want, based on secret information? Just think of the precedent John Brennan is setting for a world of lawlessness and chaos, now that 76 countries have drones-mostly surveillance drones but many in the process of weaponizing them. Why shouldn’t China declare an ethnic Uighur activist living in New York City as an “enemy combatant” and send a missile into Manhattan, or Russia launch a drone attack against a Chechen living in London? Or why shouldn’t a relative of a drone victim retaliate against us here at home? It’s not so far-fetched. In 2011, 26-year-old Rezwan Ferdaus, a Massachusetts-based graduate with a degree in physics, was recently sentenced to 17 years in prison for plotting to attack the Pentagon and U.S. Capitol with small drones filled with explosives.
 
In his search for a new CIA chief, Obama said he looked at who is going to do the best job in securing America. Yet the blowback from Brennan’s drone attacks is creating enemies far faster than we can kill them. Three out of four Pakistanis now see the U.S. as their enemy-that’s about 133 million people, which certainly can’t be good for U.S. security. When Pakistani Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar was asked the source of U.S. enmity, she had a one word answer: drones.
 
In Yemen, escalating U.S. drones strikes are radicalizing the local population and stirring increasing sympathy for al-Qaeda-linked militants. Since the January 4, 2013 attack in Yemen, militants in the tribal areas have gained more recruits and supporters in their war against the Yemeni government and its key backer, the United States. According to Abduh Rahman Berman, executive director of a Yemeni National Organization for Defending Rights and Freedoms, the drone war is failing. “If the Americans kill 10, al-Qaeda will recruit 100,” he said.
 
Around the world, the drone program constructed by John Brennan has become a provocative symbol of American hubris, showing contempt for national sovereignty and innocent lives.
 
If Obama thinks John Brennan is a good choice to head the CIA and secure America, he should contemplate the tragic deaths of victims like 16-year-old Tariq Aziz, and think again.

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