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« on: April 08, 2013, 10:33:23 AM »

I see what Alex is trying to say.  However, some kids need the system because their parents really don't care.  Kids who sleep with mice everywhere: waking up with mice poop all over their blankets and can't sleep.  I can go on and on. 

It such a divided topic.  Because I don't want my child government controlled.  However, I don't want some of these kids to get the treatment they get from their parents.

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« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2013, 11:52:26 AM »

I see what Alex is trying to say.  However, some kids need the system because their parents really don't care.  Kids who sleep with mice everywhere: waking up with mice poop all over their blankets and can't sleep.  I can go on and on.  

It such a divided topic.  Because I don't want my child government controlled.  However, I don't want some of these kids to get the treatment they get from their parents.

Man.

It's not the government's job first off, and if they weren't financing their global war by moving our jobs off shore where the labor is slave, using our tax dollars to buy bullets, bombs, and terror... filling our streets with high priced illegal drugs, glorified in the media... there would be more money and more jobs. The problem would be solved locally if government would perform constitutionally, and not send media messages into my pocket saying that they will now take care of the children as well... on my tab.

It's pure authoritarian bullshit... they jerked on your emotional strings with the mouse droppings and you are ready to turn over the keys to the country's future, our children, to these latter day Nazis.

Your "I don't know what to do so I'll vote to let the government do it..." assessment and solution makes me sick...  get your head out of that boob tube for Christ's sake, and think for yourself. How many people do you know in your community that don't take care of their children? The bastards will come for yours first especially if the have blue eyes... get your head out of your ass and volunteer at your local church... non 501c3... see the truth for yourself and how small it is.

Get a fricking clue!

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« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2013, 11:54:50 AM »

Your right. All parents are great parents.
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« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2013, 12:06:56 PM »

Your right. All parents are great parents.

That's right... even the most damned of parents, the poorest, or the least of them, who love their children are infinitely superior to the government brain-washers that create loveless soldiers, bureaucrats, and psycopaths who've never felt a parents love, or love of family...

Those parents who harm their children loose custody locally anyway... there are laws against assault, battery, abuse, and other crimes... In these cases there are good families all over who wait for years to adopt... the federal government has no place in this... NONE!

I say... if you love the government so much... turn your kids over... don't be telling me what I should do with mine, or what others should do with theirs...

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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2013, 12:26:59 PM »

Yea yea, Hillery wrote a book on it I think "It takes the village people" totalitarian socialism at its best. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2013, 12:35:36 PM »

Society used to care about all the children.
Society is not the state, its we the people.

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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2013, 01:20:29 PM »

i dont see how those in favour of welfare can be against communal care of children.
why do the adults get looked after by the state but not the children.
if anything it should be the other way around
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« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2013, 01:42:29 PM »




This destruction of the family is part of the Mystery Schools 'Great Work'. It is one of the aspects of social control that the elite adore. Plato described it in The Republic. The NWO hold The Republic as key work in their philosophy. Along with Orwell's 1984 and Huxley's Brave New World, Plato's Republic is a must read to understand the NWO system.


The Republic By Plato (360 B.C.E)
http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/republic.html



...Plato believed that the interests of the state are best preserved if children are raised and educated by the society as a whole, rather than by their biological parents. So he proposed a simple (if startlingly unfamiliar) scheme for the breeding, nurturing, and training of children in the guardian class. (Note that the same children who are not permitted to watch and listen to "dangerous" art are encouraged to witness first-hand the violence of war.) The presumed pleasures of family life, Plato held, are among the benefits that the higher classes of a society must be prepared to forego...
http://www.philosophypages.com/hy/2h.htm


An Informal Comparison of Plato's Republic and Thomas More's Utopia.
Plato's Republic was a very controversial work in Europe, even though aspects of the work were popular and contemporary, such as the belief that "the growth of luxury and excess corrupts the good society and must lead to wars of aggression and ultimately to degeneration" (Manuel 111). His work also contained serious differences from Aristotle's Politics, which was a mainstay of Humanism (since it was available in totality before Plato). Leonardi Bruni, who newly translated Aristotle's Ethics and Politics in 1414 and 1437, respectively, refused to translate the Republic (Manuel 104). He said that "there are many things in these books that, to our ways, are loathsome" (Manuel 105).

One such problem is that of Plato's abolition of the family within the ideal city--"All these women shall be wives in common to all the men, and not one of them shall live privately with any man; the children too should be held in common so that no parent shall know which is his own offspring, and no child shall know his parent" (Plato 119).

The prescription of eugenics pales, though, in comparison to the belief in the value of infanticide--"[t]he children of good parents they will take to a rearing pen in the care of nurses living apart in a certain section of the city; the children of inferior parents, or any child of the others born defective, they will hide, as is fitting, in a secret and unknown place" (Plato 121-122). Obviously, then, Plato's Republic, although in many ways a very Humanist work, also stands in opposition to a number of key Christian beliefs and tenets.
http://faculty.weber.edu/dkrantz/en4620ren/utopia_platolec.html


Training the Guardians
In order to fulfill their proper functions, these people will have to be special human beings indeed. Plato hinted early on that one of their most evident characteristics will be a temperamental inclination toward philosophical thinking. As we've already seen in the Apology and in the Phaedo, it is the philosopher above all others who excels at investigating serious questions about human life and at judging what is true and best. But how are personal qualities of this sort to be fostered and developed in an appropriate number of individual citizens? (Republic 376d)

The answer, Plato believed, was to rely upon the value of a good education. (Remember, he operated his own school at Athens!) We'll have an opportunity to consider his notions about higher education later, but his plan for the elementary education of guardians for the ideal state appears in Book III. Its central concern is an emphasis on achieving the proper balance of many disparate components—physical training and musical performance along with basic intellectual development.

One notable feature of this method of raising children is Plato's demand for strict censorship of literary materials, especially poetry and drama. He argued that early absorption in fictional accounts can dull an person's ability to make accurate judgments regarding matters of fact and that excessive participation in dramatic recitations might encourage some people to emulate the worst behavior of the tragic heros. (Republic 395c) Worst of all, excessive attention to fictional contexts may lead to a kind of self-deception, in which individuals are ignorant of the truth about their own natures as human beings. (Republic 382b) Thus, on Plato's view, it is vital for a society to exercise strict control over the content of everything that children read, see, or hear. As we will later notice, Aristotle had very different ideas. [Brocke's thoughts: you can see how this idea of 'entertainment' dulling a child's judgement is being used today to dumb down the minds of the 'Producer class'.]

Training of the sort described here (and later) is intended only for those children who will eventually become the guardians of the state. Their performance at this level of education properly determines both whether they are qualified to do so and, if so, whether each of them deserves to be a ruler or a soldier. A society should design its educational system as a means to distinguish among future citizens whose functions will differ and to provide training appropriate to the abilities of each.
http://www.philosophypages.com/hy/2g.htm
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« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2013, 05:41:27 PM »

^^^^^^ +9,000 ^^^^^^ the BIG picture.
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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2013, 09:55:11 PM »

^^^^^^ +9,000 ^^^^^^ the BIG picture.


I agree. Great post Brocke!

Neither Plato or Socrates had benefit of the knowledge and teachings growing out of Judiah particularly Christian theology. Nor did they have the philosophic grasp of the post Renaissance thinkers, who must not be discounted; just because a bunch of "OWO groupies" would thrust civilization back 2500 years with them maintaining control of our 21st century technology to make themselves appear as gods to the poor dumbed down survivors... absolute, utter, and complete Morlock-ish behavior beyond doubt...

Our Republic is not based upon Plato, thank God... ours is based upon centuries of Common Law along with a good helping of Christian philosophy among others, but primarily the direct teachings of Jesus Christ.

Grab a copy of Jefferson's Bible; far from being an attempt to rewrite the Bible... it was merely Jefferson's interpretation and commentary on the words of Jesus... quite enlightening, a look into the mind of Jefferson from the point of view of Jesus.

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everything obey their technological control grid, their
tsunami of surveillance and harassment, calling all normal
life to a halt, they have unleashed the very thing that
will destroy them first. They have inadvertently opened
into the conscious mind of the people, the fear of tyranny,
which carries with it a search for the vindicating power
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« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2013, 05:52:24 PM »

Thanks Brock!

I read that book many years ago, probably before I could understand it on a deeply philosophical level.  I need to dig it out of the dusty basement bookshelves and re-read it.  I appreciate the heads up.
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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2013, 06:42:03 PM »

I see what Alex is trying to say.  However, some kids need the system because their parents really don't care.  Kids who sleep with mice everywhere: waking up with mice poop all over their blankets and can't sleep.  I can go on and on. 

It such a divided topic.  Because I don't want my child government controlled.  However, I don't want some of these kids to get the treatment they get from their parents.

No, the system is what created those bad parents in the first place! (at least 9 times out of 10)

Besides, it is collectivist ideology crap. Who do children belong to, the State? Did the State create them?
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« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2013, 08:36:43 PM »

The system creates lots of good people too.  However, the system is about to crash anyways.
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« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2013, 10:54:09 PM »

Brave new world
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuiaT0nX9ls
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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2013, 01:18:10 AM »

The system creates lots of good people too.

By inducing resistance. Adversity makes men, prosperity makes monsters.
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