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The Founders Seceded From The Empire Once, Now It's Our Turn!
« on: November 19, 2012, 03:33:24 PM »
On todays' show Bruce Fein suggested that rather than working for unanimous secession, as set out as a remedy against tyranny in the Declaration of Independence, we should convene a quick fix... a Constitutional Convention. This would be lethal to the republic, given the number of globalist agents stealthily hiding at all levels of government clear down to the local level who would be vying for position at the convention.  There is no guarantee the representatives chosen would not be globalist minions.  In other words, this would be no "quick-fix" it would be suicide!

There is no "quick-fix" in our present state, and a "Con-Con" would quickly become a runaway convention with the likelihood that our Constitution and Bill of Rights would be completely gutted... as things are today it is a certainty. What ails this republic took many decades to develop, and will take some time to cure now that a majority of the people are becoming aware and grow to understand the cause of our predicament, namely the creeping disease of elitist incremental totalitarian globalism.

The cure will require identifying and removing globalist minions from our local, county, and state governments... the people of each state must demand voting accountability at the precinct level, transparency to help clean out not only globalist, but all voter fraud from affected state, county, and local governments... prosecuting with "teeth" all voter crime, and ending the idea of the so-called "secret ballot" would help.

Then as the people regain control of the election process, each state must cease business with the "global U.S," that is, to secede from all dealings with the federal impostor while  cleaning out all of unconstitutional statutes and amendments via 10th Amendment Nullification, All the while, retaining and maintaining the constitutional contract we and our states agreed upon unanimously in 1791. The original Constitution is the power that impels our separation from the federal impostor by this remedy outlined and enabled in the Declaration of Independence.

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Re: Bruce Fein suggests a Con-Con instead of secession... ABSOLUTELY NOT!!
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2012, 04:21:54 PM »
TOTALLY agree JT!

It would be a death sentence for the US.

The number one goal of the enemy is to break the Constitution. As it is, they have sellouts in office at ALL levels of government that are acting unconstitutionally, and they get away with it because they are allowed to, so people tend to think that the Constitution no longer applies. That is a stone-cold lie.

The Constitution is fully intact, and bears all the tools required to toss out any treasonous person from office.

There is nothing wrong with the Constitution. The problem is with the traitors acting unconstituionally not being held accountable.

We do not need a new Constitution. We need citizens that will hold politicians accountable to the Constitution.
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Re: Bruce Fein suggests a Con-Con instead of secession... ABSOLUTELY NOT!!
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2012, 04:43:04 PM »
Middlebury Institute - Advocates For Secession (But you have a Rockefeller there also):
http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=6410&st=0

A Constitutional Convention NOT the way to go :
http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=5875


I disagree with Fein on this issue also! It would be coopted in a heart beat.
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Re: Bruce Fein suggests a Con-Con instead of secession... ABSOLUTELY NOT!!
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2012, 04:55:03 PM »
I support JT on this issue.

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Re: Bruce Fein suggests a Con-Con instead of secession... ABSOLUTELY NOT!!
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2012, 05:19:24 PM »
I don't know that there are any less un-constitutional politicians running most of the states these days.
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Re: Bruce Fein suggests a Con-Con instead of secession... ABSOLUTELY NOT!!
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2012, 05:28:52 PM »
NO CON-CON!!

There is nothing wrong with it as it is written.
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Re: Bruce Fein suggests a Con-Con instead of secession... ABSOLUTELY NOT!!
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2012, 05:41:03 PM »
I agree a CON-CON would play right into the hands of the globalists!

I am honestly confused why he didn't suggest State Nullification with 10th amendment powers?   :-\
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Re: Bruce Fein suggests a Con-Con instead of secession... ABSOLUTELY NOT!!
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2012, 06:07:51 PM »
I agree a CON-CON would play right into the hands of the globalists!

I am honestly confused why he didn't suggest State Nullification with 10th amendment powers?   :-\

Yes, that was curious, wasn't it...

Of course it will take much 9th Amendment exertion of Right, and protesting to get the states to grow some cajones and regain their Constitutional standing in the eyes of the people, from whom they gain their power in the first place...

The real problem is the growing infiltration of state and local governments by personable, well spoken, and good looking, globalist "changeling" minions... weeding them out and getting good people in local offices is the newest battle-ground for us... Agenda 21 and the like are very much part of it.

Getting the Colorado State Legislature here to nullify the "Bill of Rights"... would be much easier than getting them to nullify even one of the 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto they've already enacted under other names... Hope this gives you an idea what we are up against.

This is what we are facing within the states, I'm afraid... If only we and our families over the last century or so would have heeded Jeffersons' warning below... a long time ago.

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Re: Bruce Fein suggests a Con-Con instead of secession... ABSOLUTELY NOT!!
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2012, 06:29:20 PM »
Isn't this the same Bruce Fein outed by Sibel Edmonds as a trojan horse in the Ron Paul campaign?
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Re: Bruce Fein suggests a Con-Con instead of secession... ABSOLUTELY NOT!!
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2012, 06:37:51 PM »
Isn't this the same Bruce Fein outed by Sibel Edmonds as a trojan horse in the Ron Paul campaign?

Yes it is.
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Re: Bruce Fein suggests a Con-Con instead of secession... ABSOLUTELY NOT!!
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2012, 06:38:59 PM »
NO CON-CON!!

There is nothing wrong with it as it is written.

Exactly, Mike... The offender here is the over-reaching thieves who have snatched the helm of the federal agency by stealth, unlawfully extending its' power to the level of plundering piracy and absolute tyranny...

The Constitution is as viable and profound as ever it was... understanding this in light of the obvious "federal crimes"... the foisting up of a Con-Con as a solution, as if it were the fault of the Constitution, becomes a rather malignant red herring... don't you think.

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Re: Bruce Fein suggests a Con-Con instead of secession... ABSOLUTELY NOT!!
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2012, 06:41:44 PM »
Is secession truly the "only" alternative to a Con-Con?

I think it's safe to assume that Austrian School icon, Lew Rockwell, would answer yes to that question, because he said point blank the other day what inernational bankers have been saying for well over a century -- that "it would be a great thing to break up the U.S."

I, on the other hand, advocate a different approach:

Monetary Reform

* Put all derivatives-infected mega-banks through Chapter 11 bankruptcy and, in the reorganization proceedings, legally void all of their derivatives contracts.

* Liquidate all of the ill-gotten assets of criminal scam artists such as Henry Paulson, Lloyd Blankfein and Jamie Dimon, and use the resultant proceeds to help replenish whatever retirement funds they raided.

* Replace our current debt-based money system with a debt-free money system, whereby all new money -- instead of being loaned into circulation at interest -- is spent in at no interest to fund both (a) the production and repair of public goods everyone can see and benefit from (e.g., roads and bridges) and (b) a "National Dividend" -- all at a rate pegged by law to the general price level. (More on this here.)


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National Sovereignty

* Withdraw the U.S. from both NAFTA and the WTO.

* Enact the American Sovereignty Restoration Act.
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Re: Bruce Fein suggests a Con-Con instead of secession... ABSOLUTELY NOT!!
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2012, 07:14:44 PM »
Is secession truly the "only" alternative to a Con-Con?

I think it's safe to assume that Austrian School icon, Lew Rockwell, would answer yes to that question, because he said point blank the other day what inernational bankers have been saying for well over a century -- that "it would be a great thing to break up the U.S."

I, on the other hand, advocate a different approach:


Like I pointed out before, the idea of a Con-Con in this argument is a red herring... Secession is the same as a "no confidence vote" against the particular government in a Parliamentary form, not a vote against the FOUNDATION LAW.

Trying to seize the assets of the minion globalist thieves, would be harder than convicting MF Globals' Jon "The Don" Corsine in the co-opted Congress... Paulson and the boys will have saved their ill gotten assets into the World Bank or the Rothschild Trust before the gavel falls on the judges' forfeiture order...

By monetary reform moving money power toward the states where it actually belongs, in whatever form, it will of course draw the criminals into state governments like Parana to a floating carcass.

Secession is a way to get the attention of, and educate folks as to the roots of the idea in the first place... that being, as a remedy against an overreaching and tyrannical federal agent, empowered largely due to our laziness and inattentiveness... This secession is NOT against the Constitution... On the contrary, the Enabling Document of the Constitution calls it "our Right and Duty."

This course does not break the states apart from our Constitutional contract. It does separate the tyrannical malfunctioning element however, away from the states and the Constitution... In other words, the Constitution remains in forse as do the states that compacted it. Then we have the crooks in the light, and minions will begin talking because the threats will have been removed and the rats will scurry.

This method of reordering and reconstituting government is spelled out, as I said before, in the enabling document of the Constitution, namely, The Declaration of Independence. This process is designed expressly to expel tyrants.

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Secession is a fundmental American principle!
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2012, 12:31:25 AM »
Send the People who Signed the Petitions asking to "Deport" or "Exile" Petitioners a Copy of the U.S. Constitution.

Send a copy of the U.S. Constitution, with the First and Tenth Amendments highlighted, to those who signed the petitions "Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede and Exile Them" and "Deport Everyone That Signed A Petition To Withdraw Their State From The United States Of America."

The First Amendment guarantees the right to freedom of speech, and to petition the government.

Secession is not forbidden by the constitution, so falls under the tenth amendment.

The Tenth Amendment states that matters that aren't explicitly forbidden in the Constitution, are to be designated to the States and the People.

Secession is an fundamental American Principle.

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A "Con-Con" instead of secession... ABSOLUTELY NOT!!
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2012, 12:58:41 AM »
Here is the Article I submitted today as a result of you guys, and your interest in this subject... Thank you all, very much!

A "Con-Con" instead of 10th Amendment nullification or secession... ABSOLUTELY NOT!!


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November 19, 2012

On today's show (11-19-12) Alex Jones' guest and Constitutional adviser to Ron Paul's Campaign, Bruce Fein, suggested that rather than working for unanimous state secession as the remedy against tyranny for the restoration of our Republic, we should convene a "quick fix" instead... namely a Constitutional Convention. Given today's political lineup, this would be lethal and ultimately fatal to our Republic... the absolute WRONG thing to do. Especially when you think of all the globalist agents stealthily hiding in government offices right down to the local level. You can bet they'll be vying for position at the convention, there is no guarantee the representatives chosen would not be globalist minions.  In other words, this would be no "quick-fix" it would be suicide!

Let's face it, we are so far gone from our foundational moorings that there is no "quick-fix" in our present state. A "Con-Con" would quickly become a runaway convention as the globalists uncloak, hijack the convention, and orphan the American people. The outcome bodes the likelihood that our Constitution and Bill of Rights would be completely gutted -- as things stand today it is a certainty. What ails this republic took more than a century to develop thus will take some time to cure. Even though a majority of the people are becoming aware and growing to the conscious understanding of what the globalists have been evolving, the predicament we face, the creeping incremental disease of elitist ruled totalitarian global Tyranny, shows no signs of slowing.

The cure will require an understanding of the new globalist push, a front-line offensive for control of local governments. Identifying and removing globalist politicos and bureaucratic minions from our local, county, and state governments is the name of the game today.  The people of the states must demand voting accountability down to the the precinct level. transparency on paper with posted totals and official receipt verification given to each voter as proof of their vote in case of a recount.  This will help clean out any voter fraud affecting state, county, and local governments.

Once the people regain control of the election process, each state must cease business with the "global corporate U.S.." That is, they must secede from all dealings with the federal impostor. In the meantime, the process of weeding out all unconstitutional federal mandates, statutes, policies, and Amendments by the Constitutional process of 10th Amendment State Nullification within the state legislatures must be on going. These processes will insure the retention and maintenance of our Constitution within the states. After all each of the processes I've mentioned including secession are Constitutionally protected.  The Constitution we and our states agreed upon unanimously in 1791. It is the original Constitution and together with it's July 4th,1776 Enabling Document impels our separation from this out of control foreign monster.

The precedent for this is found in the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence where Jefferson writes: "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Of course it will take a lot of 9th Amendment exertion, personal displays of Individual Rights to get there.  Growing grass roots protests via the phone, fax, e-mail, talk radio, public gatherings, Internet chat forums, and petitions, the only way we will get the states' attention to our will. Otherwise, they will never regain their Constitutional standing in the eyes of the people -- from whom they derive their power in the first place. To quote Thomas Jefferson, "All authority belongs to the people."

The real problem though, is the growing infiltration of state and local governments by easily elected, well spoken, and good looking, globalist "changeling" minions groomed for the takeover... weeding them out and getting good people in local offices is the newest and most important battle-ground for us to surmount. Agenda 21 and it's cloned local programs are very much part of it. State Nullification must be pushed at every opportunity. Here, it has been 16 years since Colorado was the first to pass a 10th Amendment Resolution to audit federal mandates for constitutionality. Yet today, getting the Colorado State Legislature to nullify the "Bill of Rights" would be much easier than getting them to nullify even one of the 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto they've already enacted under other names.

This is what we are facing within the states now, I'm afraid. If only we and our families over the last century or so were taught and then heeded Jefferson's' warning when he said; "There is an artificial aristocracy founded on wealth and birth, without either virtue or talents... The artificial aristocracy is a mischievous ingredient in government, and provisions should be made to prevent its ascendancy."

The offenders against the Republic We The People and the States must secede from, and cease any and  all interaction with, are the over-reaching globalist thieves who have snatched the helm of our federal agency by stealth, unlawfully extending its' power beyond plundering piracy into our states to inflict absolute tyranny...   Secession is exactly the same as a "no confidence vote" against a specific government that has lost favor, or has proved itself destructive to the laws in Parliamentarian forms. It is never seen as a vote against it's LAWS however. With that said, our Constitution is as viable and profound today as ever it was. Understanding this, in light of the obvious "federal crimes" -- the foisting up of a Constitutional-Convention as a solution, as if the Constitution were somehow at fault, becomes a rather malignant red herring, don't you think.

Secession as it has evolved in the American lexicon can serve our cause well because it is a way to get folks' attention and educate them as to it's ACTUAL roots and the idea behind secession in the first place. It is a potent remedy against an overreaching and tyrannical government. In this present case, the overarching has been empowered largely due to our own ignorance and inattentiveness. 

Secession is NOT against the Constitution nor is it against our union, and it will not break the states apart from our Constitution if we do not allow a false flag to split us. What it does do is separate We the People, the states, and our Constitution from the tyrannical malfunctioning element we have clearly identified and then expels it. In other words, the Constitution remains as do we and the states together as we were when we contracted our greatest Law.  It is at this point, we will have the crooks under the light. Some will begin talking and the rats will scurry.

As I have stated before, this method of reordering and reconstituting our general government after sinking the Tyranny, is spelled out in the enabling document for the Constitution, namely The Declaration of Independence. This secession process was designed expressly by the Founders to expel tyrannical groups and tyrants.

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Re: Secession is a fundmental American principle!
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2012, 12:54:43 PM »
Thank you for posting this.  All 50 states need to secede and reform a new national government.  This is well within the constitutional confines of the law.

Tho in reality it is more of a reformation anti-globalist movement to purge the globalist scourge that has commandeered Washington DC.  The Polish had to do the same thing when the Communists occupied Poland.

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« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2012, 04:07:34 PM »
Yet another new member coming in pushing seccesion. What's up with that?

We already have an extensive thread on the topic here, and covers why seccesion is not the answer. Seccesion is a copout. Instead, simply enforce the Constitution as it is rather than turning tail and running from the problem.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=238455.msg1386583#msg1386583

A dividing of the country is what the globalist want so they can break the Constitution. Seccesion would destroy the country.

While it may be constitionally allowed, seccesion is the answer only for those who don't know how to make the government follow the Constitution.
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« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2012, 08:49:15 PM »
I am not a new member here at all.  I used to be Rebelitarian until my over use of the C-bomb got me banned.  I have been a Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin proponent since I've been here back in 2007.

There are no more options of sending PAUL-iticians from non-Bilderberg parties to fix the Globalist assimilation of Washington DC.  We are foolish to think so after such a rigged election put a xenocrat in the Presidency.

We have a choice declare sovereignty and liberty or just sit here and suffer battered constituent syndrome.

This is just history repeating itself again.  Americans were brave against the Red-Coats, the Nazis, and the Communists.  Are we going to cave in now to the Globalists after having such a great track record defeating and combatting past kakistocracies?

If there was ever a time that tried Americans' souls.... 2012 is definitely a turning point.

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« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2012, 01:00:56 AM »
Yet another new member coming in pushing seccesion. What's up with that?

We already have an extensive thread on the topic here, and covers why seccesion is not the answer. Seccesion is a copout. Instead, simply enforce the Constitution as it is rather than turning tail and running from the problem.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=238455.msg1386583#msg1386583

A dividing of the country is what the globalist want so they can break the Constitution. Seccesion would destroy the country.

While it may be constitionally allowed, seccesion is the answer only for those who don't know how to make the government follow the Constitution.

Did you even read that thread? It's in favor of secession. Do you even know what secession means? It's the breaking of a contractual agreement. The agreement the States had with the Federal Government, then they can rightfully reform the federal government as set forth in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution.
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« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2012, 06:05:07 AM »
Come on people! Yes I read it and yes I know it supports seccesion in that it's an option allowed by the Constituion. But that's not the point of that thread. Did you not read what JT posted first post? Seccesion is bad, and not the move to make when the country has issues that need addressing.

Yes, I'm well-versed on the topic, and the Constituion itself. I have never said seccesion is not a legal move under the Constitution. All I've said is that it is not the move to make in this situation. Chill will ya?

And you need to read again the Declaration of Independence, because in your haste to cry foul, you overlooked something said in the second paragraph...

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

You are overlooking that part where it says, "for light and transient causes".

Seccesion is extremely serious, as it is a statement that despotism has become so bad that the government can no longer be righted, altered or fixed. To "institute a new Government", one must first leave the original and abolish it. That is not needed as yet because "We the people..." have not stepped up and made any real effort to fix what is currently in place.

The current form of government is not broken. What is broken is how the people hold their representatives accountable for doing their jobs. It's called apathy, by design. It's a ruse designed to make people think the Constitution no longer has any legal teeth. It still has a mouthfull, but it's useless if the people don't bite.

Rights are not handed to you. You must exercise your rights.

If the people have not made the effort to operate the country as designed, what makes you think they will under a new form of government? They won't, and if you think they will, your seriously deluded as to the level of apathy that exists and has brought the country to this point.
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Re: Secession is a fundmental American principle!
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2012, 09:13:25 AM »

Seccesion is extremely serious, as it is a statement that despotism has become so bad that the government can no longer be righted, altered or fixed. To "institute a new Government", one must first leave the original and abolish it. That is not needed as yet because "We the people..." have not stepped up and made any real effort to fix what is currently in place.

The current form of government is not broken. What is broken is how the people hold their representatives accountable for doing their jobs. It's called apathy, by design. It's a ruse designed to make people think the Constitution no longer has any legal teeth. It still has a mouthfull, but it's useless if the people don't bite.

Rights are not handed to you. You must exercise your rights.

If the people have not made the effort to operate the country as designed, what makes you think they will under a new form of government? They won't, and if you think they will, your seriously deluded as to the level of apathy that exists and has brought the country to this point.

Yeah, well I suggest you reread that thread and then look at our Federal Government a second time. As the Federal Government we have now is illegitimate and according to most scholars it is unfixable, with globalist usurpers at every level and the highjacking of our voting system.

And the Constitution not having any teeth? That's exactly what it has by use of secession. And who is talking about a new form of governemt besides you. The OP says the same exact thing JT does in the original post you quoted.

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Then when the people have regained control of the election process, each state must cease business with the "global U.S," that is, to secede from all dealings with the federal impostor while  cleaning out all of unconstitutional statutes and amendments via 10th Amendment Nullification, All the while, retaining and maintaining the constitutional contract we and our states agreed upon unanimously in 1791.
This country did not achieve greatness with the mindset of "safety first" but rather "live free or die".

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Re: Bruce Fein suggests a Con-Con instead of secession... ABSOLUTELY NOT!!
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2012, 03:19:07 PM »
Several less inflammatory words to use in place of "Secession" for the process in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution disavowing elected or appointed offices and office holders, who've become usurper-traitor-tyrant tools; as demonstrated by their malignant disregard for the Constitution, and We the people who authored this law in the first place, as stated in its' Preamble to begin with. In order to rescue the "Law of the Land" and re-institute rightful government, a phrase using the words  "Nullification," "Disavowal," "Impeachment," and "Reconstitution" leads us to a more fitting description of the process.

The feeling imposed on us by the word Secession, given it's long association with the civil war; has become synonymous with political separation and division. It conjures up images of bigoted infighting and racial sadness from the depths of the reconstruction period, and suggests a tearing down, a plundering, rather than the righteous act of disowning criminal politicians and political institutions by withdrawing all state support as the Enabling Document of the Constitution implores as our right and duty. Only then can we re-institute and preserve our Unions' initial foundation and promise.

Secessions' primary dictionary definition is now inextricably tied to Civil War fragmentation, secondary to its' original meaning; "to secess, back away from, quit, or withdraw.

One thing for sure, we don't need these corrupt offices and office holders in all levels of government, to have access to the tool of  "Constitutional Convention." This would allow them to completely DESTROY the Constitution and our Republic!

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to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us.
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Re: Secession is a fundmental American principle!
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2012, 05:56:01 PM »
Okay, whatever!  ::)
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Re: Secession is a fundmental American principle!
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2012, 10:51:57 PM »
We still want a constitutional federated republic.  We just want a national government that is globalist free so that our republic can be free.

Poland got out from being under Soviet rule.  Now America must get out from under Globalist rule.

Besides my grandfather suffered most of his life from the effects of mustard gas keeping America free in WW2.  The fact that America has become land of the coward and home of the slave waiting on the FEMA Trucks to haul them away would have him and other dead veterans turning in their graves.

We as Americans have an obligation to honor their sacriices to preserve our freedom even if it means seceding.

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« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2012, 12:40:13 AM »
We still want a constitutional federated republic.  We just want a national government that is globalist free so that our republic can be free.

Poland got out from being under Soviet rule.  Now America must get out from under Globalist rule.

Besides my grandfather suffered most of his life from the effects of mustard gas keeping America free in WW2.  The fact that America has become land of the coward and home of the slave waiting on the FEMA Trucks to haul them away would have him and other dead veterans turning in their graves.

We as Americans have an obligation to honor their sacriices to preserve our freedom even if it means seceding.

Constitutionary,

The whole idea behind this “new brand” of 10th Amendment State Sovereignty style secession, which will be essentially a unified withdrawal, is to allow the states time to agree, that disavowal and secession in dealing with the tyrant federal agent as it has devolved, is the best way to proceed, then we all set the date and together, we do it... UNANIMOUSLY!

It was fairly easy for Poland to secede from the Soviet Union. First off, it is smaller in size and population. Secondly, it didn’t have the history of a outside provocateured bloody civil war based on secession wrongly applied and spun to be about slavery -- which was on the outs anyway at that time. Thirdly, the Polish secession was properly applied. Secession must not occur sporadically with one state here one state there... it must be done together as a unified ratifying three-fourths Majority at the very minimum.

When the founders seceded from Britain, much debate in the Second Continental Congress dealt with the possibility of a civil war as a result of the colonies splitting into two camps–Loyalist States, and Independent States. All representatives to the Congress agreed that the separation should be unanimous, as it was finally agreed.

When you read the history of that time, the Congressional Minutes, letters of the Representatives, the newspaper articles, editorials... and the Internet of that day… "The letters to the Editor," you will find this section was generally the largest in most colonial papers because of the incredible involvement of the communities. You soon realize the founders of this country were not just the famous ones, there were literally hundreds of voices in every state, filling the local rags with their wealth of opinions and ideas on the subject of "the Independency" as iy was called. There were trolls’ in those days as well, spewing all of the familiar debate fallacies we see on the Internet today.

The Great awakening began on January 9th 1776 in Philadelphia, when a little 46 page pamphlet hit the news-stands. Within a month it swept the colonies swaying support for the ideas of Independence in its wake. Its title, Common-Sense. Originally without an author, there was speculation Benjamin Franklin had written it, though it was far from Franklins’ writing style. Finally in an “Aw-shucks” moment, after a fortuitous change of publisher as his second edition hit the news-stands, the unknown Thomas Paine finally took credit for his masterwork.

The bottom line is, the 10th Amendment State Sovereignty and State Nullification Movements, have always been to unify the States as separate States united, to bring the federal agent back into its' Constitutional parameters. Not as separate satellite states under a soviet style federal power. This unanimity by the states based on the constitutional remedy of Notification, Nullification, Secession, and Reconstitution, as unified separate states as extolled in the Declaration of Independence, is our greatest power against tyranny. It must never be allowed to divide us as it did with the War Between the States.  

Thus, if the federal power overreaches its' constitutional boundaries... the states together united, must disavow, secede, and then impeach the offenders. Then we reconstitute our Constitutional government under new guards, new faces and new names elected to our time honored offices as set by the Constitution.

Only after sweeping the Capitol clean of the globalist vermin and their unconstitutional statutes, executive orders, court decisions, globalist empowering Amendments, and any other defecation the cock-roaches may have left behind, can we return to our destiny.  

What most people find repugnant about the word "secession" is a direct result of its misapplication at the beginning of the Civil War... TRUE Constitutional Secession can only occur when no less than of 38 of the 50 states are united behind the reasons that impel the move.

Hope this clarifies things a bit.

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Re: Secession is a fundmental American principle!
« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2012, 12:53:17 AM »
We still want a constitutional federated republic.  We just want a national government that is globalist free so that our republic can be free.

Poland got out from being under Soviet rule.  Now America must get out from under Globalist rule.

Besides my grandfather suffered most of his life from the effects of mustard gas keeping America free in WW2.  The fact that America has become land of the coward and home of the slave waiting on the FEMA Trucks to haul them away would have him and other dead veterans turning in their graves.

We as Americans have an obligation to honor their sacriices to preserve our freedom even if it means seceding.

Constitutionary,

Not to break my own rule about spamming... heres my answer to your above post.
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=238455.msg1386978#msg1386978

Keep this thread "a Rockin" Guys... this subject needs to be delved into deeply... it is at the heart of what we have been taught to loath most about ourselves and our history. In that, it is through understanding it, WE will build our strength and our resolve to forge a new unity of purpose within our diversity and the framework of our 1791 Constitution. This SHALL serve to save us, our united States of America, and the World in the end.


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Re: Bruce Fein suggests a Con-Con instead of secession... ABSOLUTELY NOT!!
« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2012, 02:01:02 AM »
Given what the Fed and the FED have done to all 50 states' economies it shouldn't be all that hard to build consensus.

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A "Con-Con" instead of secession... ABSOLUTELY NOT!!
« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2012, 02:30:17 AM »
Given what the Fed and the FED have done to all 50 states' economies it shouldn't be all that hard to build consensus.

I agree with you whole heartedly!

We must surmount the media control hurdle however, getting folks and our representatives past the media strangle-hold of lies...Clear facts and arguments are needed to propel them toward making the paradigm shift in their thinking so they can see past their fraud of illusion.

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Re: Bruce Fein suggests a "Con-Con" instead of secession... ABSOLUTELY NOT!!
« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2012, 03:46:34 AM »
I'll see what I can do, about writing my Florida Representatives about discussing secession and/or a constitutional convention.

I've been trying to discuss it with my friends, but the majority of them don't like that idea. They're under the impression that secession is treason, and one of them signed that one petition to "Deport everyone who signed a petition for their state to secede from the U.S.".

They seem to bring up the civil war a lot, and seem to think that this will turn into another civil war.

I think we're already on the verge of a civil war, and this is a means to try to avoid that. Our country has essentially been mostly divided in half, "Democrats" and "Republicans". And it seems to me that most of the people that subscribe to that type of thinking are quite hateful towards the other "side".

Even if that doesn't cause a civil war, I hear that Obama said in one of his speeches that he wanted to "full steam" pursue the outlaw of handguns and rifles. If nothing else, THAT will DEFINITELY end in bloodshed. I know I wont take very kindly to my Second Amendment right taken away from me...

Anyways, I'm listening in. I'll participate when I can. I hope that we can make a difference.

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« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2012, 06:27:01 AM »
I'll see what I can do, about writing my Florida Representatives about discussing secession and/or a constitutional convention.

I've been trying to discuss it with my friends, but the majority of them don't like that idea. They're under the impression that secession is treason, and one of them signed that one petition to "Deport everyone who signed a petition for their state to secede from the U.S.".

They seem to bring up the civil war a lot, and seem to think that this will turn into another civil war.

I think we're already on the verge of a civil war, and this is a means to try to avoid that. Our country has essentially been mostly divided in half, "Democrats" and "Republicans". And it seems to me that most of the people that subscribe to that type of thinking are quite hateful towards the other "side".

Even if that doesn't cause a civil war, I hear that Obama said in one of his speeches that he wanted to "full steam" pursue the outlaw of handguns and rifles. If nothing else, THAT will DEFINITELY end in bloodshed. I know I wont take very kindly to my Second Amendment right taken away from me...

Anyways, I'm listening in. I'll participate when I can. I hope that we can make a difference.

First off, the Constitution and our statute laws forbid deportation of individuals for political differences, I don't care how large the petitions grow... they just show the time wasting foolishness of some people... Now deportation for treason, sedition, and subversion...perhaps... these are a different kettle of fish... though deportation seems too light a punishment, I'm certain.

With that said... Once the Founders understood that secession of all ties with Britain was their only recourse… they also realized that it must be a UNANIMOUS move, to avoid a divide and conquer civil war.

By the same token today, given the structure of our law, any state wishing to join those seeking remedy must pass and send a 10th Amendment notice of intent, by resolution, to the federal agent. Then they must enact laws that further curtail federal encroachment into the state evoking 10th Amendment power. They must bide their time assisting other states in taking similar action until we have at least a Ratifying Majority of 38 states together. Then, with no need of convention or Amendment, we start the formal secession process from any interaction and complete termination of all connection with the present foreign federal Agent. A UNANIMOUS 50 State secession would be best, just like it was in 1776.

When discussing this with others remember what is appropriate based on what has and must be done. There’s a procedure here, they know it, and we know it, and, they know we know it, yet they hope we’ll become impatient and fragment instead. Here is a chalk-board overview...

Step 1. 10th Amendment Notification: The feds are warned by State Resolution that they are violating the Constitution. They are respectfully asked to cease unconstitutional legislation and federal mandates immediately. This movement began in the mid 1990s and reached 3/4ths majority of states almost 4 years ago.

Step 2. Nullification: This is a refusal by the state government through enacted law to implement any unconstitutional federal mandates sent down, as determined by the state legislatures as a federal disregard of the previous resolution… This has been ongoing for a few of years now. This also signals the beginning of selection of delegates to a New Continental Congress, a provisional government for maintaining our Constitutional rule of law during the removal of the usurper federal imposter and their unconstitutional offices should step 3 be needed.

Step 3. Disavowal and Secession: This is a timed move by the states in unison. A recall and dis-empowering of all state representatives and senators assigned to the federal city. This is when false flags will begin in earnest. This is where we find ourselves now. The eugenicist bastards will not relinquish power without a fight. Globalist false flag skirmishes will erupt like those of Hitler on the Polish border before he invaded to begin WWII.

These attacks will be leveled particularly against States that have not yet joined the movement, to keep them from re-uniting with the ratifying majority of States who united before the withdrawal. We must be prepared for these foreign attacks or invasions against us and our prodigal sibling States. This fight is the reason for the 1.6 billion round DHS Ammo requisition.

The States not yet enjoined will need our protection. The united majority, must not harm the splintered minority however… If attacked they will quickly realize they are under global attack and begin one by one to rejoin us. If all 50 States withdraw together from the beginning this re-uniting fight will be unnecessary.

The Oath bound military will be with us from the beginning, or they will be in violation of their Oath to the Constitution. We the ratifying Majority of States retain the Constitution as our own you see, by at least a 3/4ths Constitutional majority. The best case would be for all 50 states to withdraw at the same time, no place for the globalists to wedge any division there.

Step 4. Reconstitution:  This will begin at the moment of disavowal and withdrawal. the Continental Congress will act as provisional constitutional government until we re-establish our normal Constitutional government. A Continental Congress was convened about 4 years ago in South Carolina, by the way…

The overview should be of help, I'm certain... Please remember one cardinal rule... YOU NEVER CALL FOR NOR EVER SUPPORT A CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION, not even in the most dire of times... the Bastards control Con-Cons. They have control of the delegate selection process at the top, even within the states. They also have the money and the power of threat to buy off or frighten even the most stalwart Constitutionalists... They will gut the Constitution and kill the Republic if a Con-Con is convened. We have a predatory federal government as well as many predator state governments in power right now... if a Con-Con is convened the New States of America will be the outcome and our Republic will hit the ash-pit of history.... please try to remember that.


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« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2012, 06:25:55 PM »
The one thing we must fight against is a Constitutional Convention. If one is convened we can say "bye-bye" to the Constitution because they have control of the delegates through the states in a Constitutional Convention... Their selected delegates would be people like Warren Buffet, and other corporate heads,  Heads of State governments like Bloomberg, Schwarzenegger, Hickenlooper, and Perry... I think you get the picture...

Should this happen the "New States Constitution," researched and formulated by members of the House and Senate back in the early 1970's is ready to roll out to replace our time honored foundation law. Should the people allow a Convention to be called the New States Constitution will be submitted to replace our Constitution. This globalist "NON-constitution signals the death of liberty. Should this occur, the nation and the world will erupt in war!

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« Reply #31 on: November 23, 2012, 03:19:32 AM »
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the nation and the world will erupt in war!

It's going to anyway, but that's another thread!

So, if you would JT, could you clarify somewhat. On the one hand it seems your saying that seccesion is not the move to make, yet you seem to be saying it is part of the process that ends in a last step of "reconstituting" the government. That sounds like a process of dissolving the current government, to which I TOTALLY disagree with.

DO NOT dissolve the government, as it is just fine, though obviously bloated with excesses that can simply be closed down and eliminated, such as several federal departments like the DOE, DEA, etc.

As I understand it, all that "We the people" need to do is toss out the tyrrants and replace them with true committed patriots to the US, not globalist sellouts. It's a personel issue, not a company structure issue as I see it. Some policys will of their own accord fall by the wayside as the thugs are tossed as they won't be there to support and push their junk any longer. Kind of takes care of that part itself.

See what I'm saying?

And I agree, NO Con Con, unless in EXTREME situations, of which I can't really imagine what that would even be to justify such actions.

And NO to seccesion, of any form either. As I see it, that's a step of pulling out of the current Constitution, a form of a vote of no confidence as it is currently structured. This is where I'm not real clear where your at on this.

I have already pointed out the step in the Declaration as to what citizens shoud do to handle the current mess. NO need for anything but to follow what is constitutionally protected by law, as far as removal of offending office holders. And there is no need to wait for elections either. They can be tossed on their backsides at any time by the citizenry. A consesus by citizens is all that's needed, not some long drawn out recall process, which is a joke process anyway.

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« Reply #32 on: November 23, 2012, 05:38:30 PM »
It's going to anyway, but that's another thread!

So, if you would JT, could you clarify somewhat. On the one hand it seems your saying that seccesion is not the move to make, yet you seem to be saying it is part of the process that ends in a last step of "reconstituting" the government. That sounds like a process of dissolving the current government, to which I TOTALLY disagree with.

DO NOT dissolve the government, as it is just fine, though obviously bloated with excesses that can simply be closed down and eliminated, such as several federal departments like the DOE, DEA, etc.

As I understand it, all that "We the people" need to do is toss out the tyrrants and replace them with true committed patriots to the US, not globalist sellouts. It's a personel issue, not a company structure issue as I see it. Some policys will of their own accord fall by the wayside as the thugs are tossed as they won't be there to support and push their junk any longer. Kind of takes care of that part itself.

See what I'm saying?

And I agree, NO Con Con, unless in EXTREME situations, of which I can't really imagine what that would even be to justify such actions.

And NO to seccesion, of any form either. As I see it, that's a step of pulling out of the current Constitution, a form of a vote of no confidence as it is currently structured. This is where I'm not real clear where your at on this.

I have already pointed out the step in the Declaration as to what citizens shoud do to handle the current mess. NO need for anything but to follow what is constitutionally protected by law, as far as removal of offending office holders. And there is no need to wait for elections either. They can be tossed on their backsides at any time by the citizenry. A consesus by citizens is all that's needed, not some long drawn out recall process, which is a joke process anyway.



The answers to your questions are found in the main Live Show thread... http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=238455.msg1386991#msg1386991

You are still identifying Lawful Disavowal and Secession as somehow the same as the misapplied and misnamed division that split the nation 150 years ago. Five years ago Lawful Secession was not called for and would have been mis-timed... now that Lawful Nullification has grown to bear fruit in several of the states the last few years, when needed, we now have the Lawful aegis to take the next step in routing the foreign usurpers.

We must make the break before the global syndicate announces its' World Capitol at Crystal Palace under the Colorado front range... we must stop them before they finish and unveil this impenetrable fortress or we'll really be in the soup!

Because of the crosstalk between this and the main thread on the live show page, I am merging the two there under a more appropriate title.

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Re: The Founders Seceded From The Empire Once, Now It's Our Turn!
« Reply #33 on: December 30, 2012, 02:05:17 AM »
Remember, we do not want to secede from the united States of America... Secession is about us, the united States of America, withdrawing together, from the Empire, and firing the present the federal government, since this federal government is the unconstitutional Imperial representative and dictatorial power we face.

The states must stay together under our Constitutional Contract of Dec. 15 1791, and fire the Federal agent, as prescribed in the Declaration of Independence.  We must not split up and become sitting ducks. WE MUST NEVER WITHDRAW FROM OUR CONSTITUTIONAL UNION.

If Colorado or any State, alone or in small blocks less than 3/4 of the states in number, breaks the contract, we end up in a Civil War 2.0 situation which we DO NOT WANT... What we want is a unified American Revolution 2.0 situation... A UNIFIED WITHDRAWAL.

Petition Your State Governments, to consider a unified withdraw of support from the Bloated Foreign Banker Run Federal Destroyer. You must not petition beyond discovery, the Defendant in this action, namely, The United States Inc., the present federal usurper in power.

THE UNITED STATES of AMERICA, AS A CONSTITUTIONAL UNION, PETITIONS AS THE UNITED STATES of AMERICA TO WITHDRAW FROM THE GLOBAL EMPIRE AND RE-INSTITUTE OUR LAWFUL CONSTITUTIONAL FEDERAL AGENT AND RID OURSELVES OF THE PRESENT GLOBALIST IMPOSTER.

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« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2013, 05:11:32 PM »
Once again, because of the subject of today's show, 10th Amendment state nullification, disavowal, and secession, taking the country back at the local county and state government level... this topic gets a...

Bumpa-bumpa...

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« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2013, 03:27:53 PM »
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed
by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit
of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their
just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes
destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new
Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to
them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
~The Declaration of Independence


The Declaration of Independence in the above clauses explains the precepts and reasons for Lawful Secession...

A bump... this was the topic put forth by 2 callers on today's show.

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That's why the Founding Fathers said... don't give up
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Re: The Founders Seceded From The Empire Once, Now It's Our Turn!
« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2013, 04:01:51 PM »
On todays' show Bruce Fein suggested that rather than working for unanimous secession, as set out as a remedy against tyranny in the Declaration of Independence, we should convene a quick fix... a Constitutional Convention. This would be lethal to the republic, given the number of globalist agents stealthily hiding at all levels of government clear down to the local level who would be vying for position at the convention.  There is no guarantee the representatives chosen would not be globalist minions.  In other words, this would be no "quick-fix" it would be suicide!

There is no "quick-fix" in our present stat, and a "Con-Con" would quickly become a runaway convention with the likelihood that our Constitution and Bill of Rights would be completely gutted... as things are today it is a certainty. What ails this republic took many decades to develop, and will take some time to cure now that a majority of the people are becoming aware and grow to understand the cause of our predicament, namely the creeping disease of elitist incremental totalitarian globalism.

The cure will require identifying and removing globalist minions from our local, county, and state governments... the people of each state must demand voting accountability at the precinct level, transparency to help clean out not only globalist, but all voter fraud from affected state, county, and local governments... prosecuting with "teeth" all voter crime, and ending the idea of the so-called "secret ballot" would help.

Then as the people regain control of the election process, each state must cease business with the "global U.S," that is, to secede from all dealings with the federal impostor while  cleaning out all of unconstitutional statutes and amendments via 10th Amendment Nullification, All the while, retaining and maintaining the constitutional contract we and our states agreed upon unanimously in 1791. The original Constitution is the power that impels our separation from the federal impostor by this remedy outlined and enabled in the Declaration of Independence.

I'll add more in a bit... duty calls...

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No what wee need is an overt secession.  This let's the Globalists know outright that Americans will no longer be slaves to them and their Federal Reserve System.

We are 50 States we have the numbers and the tactical advantage.

They are just 535 we are 350 million.

I don't see any Chinese Carriers yet ?

The cops and military is already on our side.

All the 50 Governors have to do is get to gether and make it so.

Staying slaves and weeding out the occasional Globalist here and there is going to solve nothing.

More will end up retiring than we end up prosecuting.

No we need to secede and re-Constitute the Federal Government.

Let them react to us for a change.

Let the 50 Governors come together and start issuing a new currency and get of the FED debt system.  See how many troops obey their orders.

We should not wait until people are being dragged off to FEMA Camps before we form a rebellion.

George Washington and Thomas Jefferson took the initiative.  Imagine what they would do if they had all our modern conviences back then ?

It is rather Amazing that Americans let themselves be slaves to central banking for 100 years already !!!!!!

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Re: The Founders Seceded From The Empire Once, Now It's Our Turn!
« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2013, 04:26:39 PM »
...to make a long story short, breaking up a "nation state" into such things as "microstates" and "ministates" has long been the means by which rent-seeking robber barons (and the goons-for-hire who dutifully serve them) have been able to hijack large territories and turn them into Third World hell holes:

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http://tarpley.net/2012/06/30/geneva-conference-on-syria-ends-in-stalemate/

Geneva Conference on Syria Ends in Stalemate as Russia Hangs Tough Against US Extortion; More Hysterical Outbursts by Hillary Clinton; US-NATO Endgame is MicroStates, MiniStates, Partition

Webster G. Tarpley, Ph.D.
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June 30, 2012

PressTV has conducted an interview with Dr. Webster Griffith Tarpley, an author and historian from Washington, to further discuss the issue. The following is a rough transcription of the interview.

Press TV: Looking at the rights record of the participants of the meeting in Geneva, particularly that of the United States, it’s somehow hard to believe that their only concern is of human rights. Can you tell us how a regime change in Syria may benefit every participant in that conference?

Tarpley: The current US policy under the Obama administration with Hillary Clinton in the State Department aims at the destruction of all sovereign states on this planet. It’s really rolling the world situation back to the time before the Treaty of Westphalia in 1648 which established the regime of modern independent sovereign states.

The desperation of the US and the British comes from their financial bankruptcy, and what they’ve got to do is increase the rate of exploitation and looting and sacking of the entire world economy. In the course of this, they find that any national government is an intolerable obstacle. It gets in their way.

It can say no, like Mubarak said no to them on numerous occasions and Gaddafi said no most of the time, so they decided to smash up these countries. But notice their goal is not just regime change: it’s now microstates; “ministates”, to use the terms of Zbigniew Brzezinski; “partition”, the favorite term of George Soros; balkanization, failed states, rump states, warlords – warlords of the type that we see for example in Libya.

This is the goal, to have a situation where the International Monetary Fund and NATO rule the world from above but then on the ground you’ve got a kind of crazy court of petty, squabbling, impotent little entities that could never resist Exxon Mobile or JP Morgan Chase or Halliburton or anything of the kind, something, again, like Libya today.

That’s where they’re headed to this. It would be for them to break up Syria, to detach the Kurdish part, to detach parts that would be claimed by Turkey, to perhaps start the Lebanese civil war again, perhaps there would be a continuous civil war in Syria, perhaps Israel will start helping itself to various tracts of territory, and so on down the line. So that’s where this is going. It’s very sinister.

[Continued...]

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Unfortunately, most ancaps are so busy living in their own private fantasy world that they're either unable or unwilling to see the big picture. The inevitable result is them trying to win a political chess match with the Rothschilds and Rockefellers of the world by playing political checkers.

In the short run that might be an entertaining thing to do, but in the long run not a very smart thing.

Hope that clarifies where I'm coming from on all this.
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Re: The Founders Seceded From The Empire Once, Now It's Our Turn!
« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2013, 04:34:30 PM »

No what wee need is an overt secession.  This let's the Globalists know outright that Americans will no longer be slaves to them and their Federal Reserve System.

We are 50 States we have the numbers and the tactical advantage.

They are just 535 we are 350 million.

I don't see any Chinese Carriers yet ?

The cops and military is already on our side.

All the 50 Governors have to do is get to gether and make it so.

Staying slaves and weeding out the occasional Globalist here and there is going to solve nothing.

More will end up retiring than we end up prosecuting.

No we need to secede and re-Constitute the Federal Government.

Let them react to us for a change.

Let the 50 Governors come together and start issuing a new currency and get of the FED debt system.  See how many troops obey their orders.

We should not wait until people are being dragged off to FEMA Camps before we form a rebellion.

George Washington and Thomas Jefferson took the initiative.  Imagine what they would do if they had all our modern conviences back then ?

It is rather Amazing that Americans let themselves be slaves to central banking for 100 years already !!!!!!

The 535 you speak of, are self serving nest feathering hawnyawks that do what they are told by those who OWN them... they are not the government! They are the puppets of a corporate structure that has transplanted itself as our government and is unseen behind what we do see...


The people must unite and force the 535 to "represent" us for a change, by shear force of our numbers to defy the unseen power... That is what this awakening is all about... The 535 have no real power...AT ALL... 300 million Americans standing and saying "NO," have all the power of this nation...

Your fascination with armed attack against 535 paper tigers, to no good purpose, is a bit disconcerting. Given the fact that we are winning this war for the hearts and minds, awakening the people... proving that all the work the founders went through to produce a governmental system that could be righted without blanket violence... does indeed work.

What you are calling for would insure that we LOOSE... (sheesh)...

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Re: The Founders Seceded From The Empire Once, Now It's Our Turn!
« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2013, 05:37:50 PM »
The people must unite and force the 535 to "represent" us for a change, by shear force of our numbers to defy the unseen power... That is what this awakening is all about... The 535 have no real power...AT ALL... 300 million Americans standing and saying "NO," have all the power of this nation...

I get that....   :)

Your fascination with armed attack against 535 paper tigers, to no good purpose, is a bit disconcerting. Given the fact that we are winning this war for the hearts and minds, awakening the people... proving that all the work the founders went through to produce a governmental system that could be righted without blanket violence... does indeed work.

I am not saying armed attack against the 535 stooges, what I am saying is that all 50 States make an effort to meet and get serious about holding new elections and having a National Government know its place.  We get the 300 million Americans to rally and support this the Globalists would be forced to either stand down or declare martial law.  We take action and force the Globalists to react to us.  Think of it what if the Governors do this and have their State's National Guard Units on Standby ?  The Globalists would have to have someone else execute order 66 and not our own troops against us.  The Governors and the State Reps and Senators will have guards up already.  They would have to do this anyway if they were serious about disavowal and secession.  Unlike other nations the USA would re-unite after the purge of the Globalist tumor.  Our side is selling prosperity once again... what have the Globalists offered ??!?

What I am saying is start the secession process, build up the states' muniments, then when the re-Constitutionalization process takes place they get placed on yellow alert to keep the Globalists out !!!