Suzanne Jovin was murdered by the 9/11 perps in '98..

[Great Haku]

[jimd3100]

While this is fairly interesting it means absolutely nothing, and just gossip. However show me what the thesis she wrote said, and I would be interested in that. Without the thesis there is no point in looking at this any further, for any suspicion would be speculation based on the thesis. If she was killed because of the thesis I want to read it. Something like "Bin laden is a terrorist and bad" isn't going to get her killed. Frankly unless she really outed him, I can't imagine what could.  I would be extremely interested in reading her thesis, but without access to that I have no further interest in this it's nothing without it.

[Great Haku]

While this is fairly interesting it means absolutely nothing, and just gossip. However show me what the thesis she wrote said, and I would be interested in that. Without the thesis there is no point in looking at this any further, for any suspicion would be speculation based on the thesis. If she was killed because of the thesis I want to read it. Something like "Bin laden is a terrorist and bad" isn't going to get her killed. Frankly unless she really outed him, I can't imagine what could.  I would be extremely interested in reading her thesis, but without access to that I have no further interest in this it's nothing without it.

Well, if they killed her for her thesis, they wouldn't release it. I believe that the entire point of killing her was because they didn't want it to get out that Osama was a CIA/Pentagon asset before the 9/11 plan went into action.. Her discoveries could be spread around the University, which could be disastrous for the NWO.

She easily could have found information that could have outed Osama Bin Laden. In 1998, the year of the murder, MSNBC published a story entitled "Bin Laden Comes Home To Roost", which went into detail about OBL's CIA ties. If she had found this article and did further research on the matter, she would realize that Bin Laden was not a simple terrorist, but an intel-controlled opposition.

Bin Laden comes home to roost
His CIA ties are only the beginning of a woeful story
Passersby look at damaged buildings in Nairobi, Kenya on Aug. 7 after a huge bomb planted next to the U.S. embassy there. 
 
 
Michael Moran
Senior correspondent
 
BRAVE NEW WORLD
By Michael Moran
MSNBC
NEW YORK, Aug. 24, 1998 - At the CIA, it happens often enough to have a code name: Blowback. Simply defined, this is the term describing an agent, an operative or an operation that has turned on its creators. Osama bin Laden, our new public enemy Number 1, is the personification of blowback. And the fact that he is viewed as a hero by millions in the Islamic world proves again the old adage: Reap what you sow.

Befpre up click on my face and call me naive, let me concede some points. Yes, the West needed Josef Stalin to defeat Hitler. Yes, there were times during the Cold War when supporting one villain (Cambodia’s Lon Nol, for instance) would have been better than the alternative (Pol Pot). So yes, there are times when any nation must hold its nose and shake hands with the devil for the long-term good of the planet.

But just as surely, there are times when the United States, faced with such moral dilemmas, should have resisted the temptation to act. Arming a multi-national coalition of Islamic extremists in Afghanistan during the 1980s - well after the destruction of the Marine barracks in Beirut or the hijacking of TWA Flight 847 - was one of those times.

BIN LADEN’S BEGINNINGS

Terrorist backer?Click here for a list of attacks that Bin Laden is suspected of financing

 
 

As anyone who has bothered to read this far certainly knows by now, bin Laden is the heir to Saudi construction fortune who, at least since the early 1990s, has used that money to finance countless attacks on U.S. interests and those of its Arab allies around the world.

As his unclassified CIA biography states, bin Laden left Saudi Arabia to fight the Soviet army in Afghanistan after Moscow’s invasion in 1979. By 1984, he was running a front organization known as Maktab al-Khidamar - the MAK - which funneled money, arms and fighters from the outside world into the Afghan war.

What the CIA bio conveniently fails to specify (in its unclassified form, at least) is that the MAK was nurtured by Pakistan’s state security services, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, the CIA’s primary conduit for conducting the covert war against Moscow’s occupation.

 
Taliban militiamen watch as one of their tanks light up an opposition position northeast of Kabul on Aug. 15.
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By no means was Osama bin Laden the leader of Afghanistan’s mujahedeen. His money gave him undue prominence in the Afghan struggle, but the vast majority of those who fought and died for Afghanistan’s freedom - like the Taliban regime that now holds sway over most of that tortured nation - were Afghan nationals.

Yet the CIA, concerned about the factionalism of Afghanistan made famous by Rudyard Kipling, found that Arab zealots who flocked to aid the Afghans were easier to “read” than the rivalry-ridden natives. While the Arab volunteers might well prove troublesome later, the agency reasoned, they at least were one-dimensionally anti-Soviet for now. So bin Laden, along with a small group of Islamic militants from Egypt, Pakistan, Lebanon, Syria and Palestinian refugee camps all over the Middle East, became the “reliable” partners of the CIA in its war against Moscow.

WHAT’S ‘INTELLIGENT’ ABOUT THIS?

Though he has come to represent all that went wrong with the CIA’s reckless strategy there, by the end of the Afghan war in 1989, bin Laden was still viewed by the agency as something of a dilettante - a rich Saudi boy gone to war and welcomed home by the Saudi monarchy he so hated as something of a hero.

In fact, while he returned to his family’s construction business, bin Laden had split from the relatively conventional MAK in 1988 and established a new group, al-Qaida, that included many of the more extreme MAK members he had met in Afghanistan.

 
Exiled Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden is seen in this April, 1998 photo in Afghanistan.
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Most of these Afghan vets, or Afghanis, as the Arabs who fought there became known, turned up later behind violent Islamic movements around the world. Among them: the GIA in Algeria, thought responsible for the massacres of tens of thousands of civilians; Egypt’s Gamat Ismalia, which has massacred western tourists repeatedly in recent years; Saudi Arabia Shiite militants, responsible for the Khobar Towers and Riyadh bombings of 1996.

Indeed, to this day, those involved in the decision to give the Afghan rebels access to a fortune in covert funding and top-level combat weaponry continue to defend that move in the context of the Cold War. Sen. Orrin Hatch, a senior Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee making those decisions, told my colleague Robert Windrem that he would make the same call again today even knowing what bin Laden would do subsequently. “It was worth it,” he said.

“Those were very important, pivotal matters that played an important role in the downfall of the Soviet Union,” he said.

HINDSIGHT OR TUNNEL VISION

It should be pointed out that the evidence of bin Laden’s connection to these activities is mostly classified, though its hard to imagine the CIA rushing to take credit for a Frankenstein’s monster like this.

It is also worth acknowledging that it is easier now to oppose the CIA’s Afghan adventures than it was when Hatch and company made them in the mid-1980s. After all, in 1998 we now know that far larger elements than Afghanistan were corroding the communist party’s grip on power in Moscow.

Even Hatch can’t be blamed completely. The CIA, ever mindful of the need to justify its “mission,” had conclusive evidence by the mid-1980s of the deepening crisis of infrastructure within the Soviet Union. The CIA, as its deputy director Robert Gates acknowledged under congressional questioning in 1992, had decided to keep that evidence from President Reagan and his top advisors and instead continued to grossly exaggerate Soviet military and technological capabilities in its annual “Soviet Military Power” report right up to 1990.

Given that context, a decision was made to provide America’s potential enemies with the arms, money - and most importantly - the knowledge of how to run a war of attrition violent and well-organized enough to humble a superpower.

That decision is coming home to roost.

The only source of her thesis was van de Velde, who claimed to be reading the unfinished conclusion of Jovin's work. Only one problem.. It is known that Jovin never gave him the conclusion. This indicates that he spread false evidence, making him even more of a suspect in this case.

She was killed, no suspects, after writing a thesis about Bin Laden and giving it to her thesis adviser, a deep government Navy Intelligence man and Bin Laden expert with a security clearance level five levels above top secret. van de Velde is never cleared, none of his polygraph tests are compelling, he has no alibi, his apartment is blocks away, and an eyewitness saw him walking behind Jovin approx. 20 minutes before the murder. Another eyewitness heard a man and a woman arguing before the murder. After the murder, van de Velde goes to work in The Pentagon.

It really stinks to me like a black-ops assassination.

[Susan Graham]

There are thousands of murders every year, she wrote a thesis on bin laden, which is why we are even talking about this one. Everything else is speculation.
 

Except that Yale is crawling with gover-mint/elite ops.  Liberal, conservative, whatever color you want to paint them.  The place is lousy with 'em, that's a given. 

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While this is fairly interesting it means absolutely nothing, and just gossip. However show me what the thesis she wrote said, and I would be interested in that. Without the thesis there is no point in looking at this any further, for any suspicion would be speculation based on the thesis. If she was killed because of the thesis I want to read it. Something like "Bin laden is a terrorist and bad" isn't going to get her killed. Frankly unless she really outed him, I can't imagine what could.  I would be extremely interested in reading her thesis, but without access to that I have no further interest in this it's nothing without it.

There are thousands of murders every year, she wrote a thesis on bin laden, which is why we are even talking about this one. Everything else is speculation.
 

Discounting sourced research out of hand...  I guess everyone who wrote a report on bin Laden and handed it to a known intelligence agent got killed, and that is why we should ignore this one.
 
I find this info very interesting, Jim.  Sorry, your opinion is that it is pointless.  It seems very well researched.  You seem to have an interest in silencing this line of thought.  You call it rumour and gossip, but GH has included many MSM links.  The only thing that I think is missing is an interview with an acquiantance of Jovin's, which is really the best you can expect if she was killed to silence her research.  The perp would have taken it(duh).  I can't believe you are here telling someone their research "means absolutely nothing".  How about a link to verify that crappy opinion?  Your proof that Jovin's thesis wasn't the reason for her death is that you can't find her thesis anywhere?  Wow... 
I certainly wouldn't call it nothing, at the very least this is a good start.  Great Haku needs to interview some acquaintances and see if the girl said anything to them about her research.

Let me add something...Notice that van de Velde worked for U.S. Naval Intelligence and was at Stanford.

On April 4, 1992 Andreas Drexler placed an ad for his 1974 Impala on a usenet site.  Two weeks later he would leave the campus of Stanford University in this same car and drive across country.  Inside the Impala Drexler had at least one firearm and over 2,000 rounds of ammo.  The following day, 4/23/92, he would fatally shoot his ex-girlfriend Susan Clements and her friend Steven Molen in Eigenmann Hall Dormitory on the Indiana University campus in Bloomington, Indiana. 

After shooting Molen and Clements, Drexler fled into the night with his gun, leaving behind the Impala and his extra ammo.  Instead of returning to the car he ran to a nearby neighborhood, in a city he did not know and fatally shot himself while cowering behind the shrubs of a small house.  Andreas Drexler was a German national studying computer science at Stanford University.  He has been credited with developing the first model of MURPHI, a computer language designed as a “DEBUGGING AID” for computer programs.   

According to the copyright for Murphi,  “The new version was almost entirely reimplemented by Ralph Melton during the summer and fall of 1992.”  Meaning, of course, that Mr. Melton and the Murphi team reworked Andreas Drexler’s original program immediately after his death.  The group acknowledges in this same document that they received financial support from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) and the U.S. Office of Naval Research.

Less than 7 months prior to Drexler's rampage, another brilliant foreign born student killed his research team at Iowa University.  According to the NYT Gang Lu was one of only three hundred research experts on plasma energy(1990).  He shot and killed four people before leaving Van Allen Hall and killing an administrator before shooting himself as police closed in.  Gang Lu sent five letters to the University prior to his rampage...several were for the media.  Gang Lu was working under a contract from NASA.  I wonder who kept Gang Lu's plasma notes?


Now, let's overlay the Gang Lu and Andreas Drexler "events" and see if a familiar picture develops.  Drexler left stanford(where he worked for DARPA and Naval Research) and killed a man and woman in a dorm before fleeing on foot.  Gang Lu sent letters to the media before going into a University hall and gunning down multiple people.  Both killed themselves as police closed in.  Both were foreign nationals.  Doesn't sound too much like Cho at VT.  I can throw in another foreign national who killed people on campus(but was apprehended by classmates before he could kill himself). 

Ten years later(After Drexler) a naturalized U.S. citizen from Nigeria opened fire at the Appalachian School of Law, killing three and wounding several others.  After running out of ammo he was subdued by fellow students.  He later told reporters that, “I was sick, I was sick.  I need help.”  Peter Odighizuwa also told the judge, “I was supposed to see my doctor.  He was supposed to help me out…I don’t have my medication.”  In this same article “Peter O” is described as a quiet loner by some, and “abrasive” by others who claimed he had several outbursts in class.

The judge at his preliminary hearing assigns Peter O an attorney named James C. Turk Jr., saying, “Once you’ve talked with him, I’m sure you’ll see he can help you.”  James C. Turk Jr. is the son of the Honorable James C. Turk a U.S. District Judge in Virginia.  His mother is Barbara Turk who is president of the Saint Albans foundation, which seeks charity support of St. Albans Hospital in Radford, Virginia.  The Saint Albans Behavioral Hospital is where Cho Seung-Hui was ordered for treatment by a Virginia court in 2005.  Peter O escaped a death sentence by admitting his guilt, which is quite lenient for a state which has a strong history of capital punishment.  According to Wikipedia, Virginia has executed more people than any other state in the union, including Texas.  One of his victims was L. Anthony Sutin, an expert on constitutional and election law and former assistant attorney general(In the Clinton Administration) who was a vocal critic of the 2000 presidential election.  Peter O now claims James Turk is involved in a government conspiracy to suppress information about his case.  MKULTRA?

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1024078861416
http://www.bloomingpedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Drexler
http://chicory.stanford.edu/dill/Murphi/Murphi3.1/License
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE5DB1538F937A35752C1A967958260&sec=health&spon=&pagewanted=print
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19950016851_1995116851.pdf
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:T5s-SkaIsaoJ:www.ssristories.com/files/grundy.pdf+Kahn+AP+Dean,+prof,+student+dead&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/vaw/law_enforcement_directory/judges_district.html
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/election/election2000-1.htm
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1612226,00.html
http://www.lawschool.com/appalachianguilt.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_Lu


http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/church/reports/book1/html/ChurchB1_0199a.htm
From the Church Committee:  "MKULTRA was the principle CIA program involving the research and development of chemical and biological agents.  It was 'concerned with the research and development of chemical, biological, and radiological materials capable of employment in clandestine operations to control human behavior.'(11)" 
The Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities, known as the "Church Committee" after its chairman Frank Church, conducted a wide-ranging investigation of the intelligence agencies in the post-Watergate period.

1991 New York Times Article about CIA agent who was president of Rochester Institute of Tech.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE4DE1E31F933A15755C0A967958260
College's C.I.A. Links Cause Furor, and Soul-Searching

By WILLIAM GLABERSON,
Published: June 20, 1991
The disclosure that a college president worked secretly for the Central Intelligence Agency while on leave has touched off a furious battle here, complete with stolen documents, bitter personal attacks, international outrage and an intense debate over ties between intelligence agencies and academia.

The dispute about links between the C.I.A. and the Rochester Institute of Technology has led to calls for the resignation of the president, M. Richard Rose, and prompted an unusual public defense by the C.I.A. of its need for contact with academia -- the "cloak and gown" relationship, as it was described in a document stolen from the president's office and mailed to the local press.

The controversy began with the news in April that Mr. Rose, who was a Deputy Secretary of Defense in the Nixon Administration, was working at the C.I.A. during a four-month leave, and that even university trustees had not been informed of his whereabouts until he was already at work at C.I.A. headquarters in Langley, Va.

A C.I.A. spokesman, Mark Mansfield, and critics of the agency agree that Mr. Rose may be the highest-level sitting academic official ever to have been identified as having such close ties to the agency...

Project roots out terrorists on college campuses
http://media.www.paisano-online.com/media/storage/paper975/news/2006/09/04/News/Project.Roots.Out.Terrorists.On.College.Campuses-2672751.shtml
By: Associated Press
Issue date: 9/4/06 Section: News

For the past five years, the FBI and the Education Department secretly scrutinized tens of millions of federal financial aid and college enrollment records in search of terrorists.

   The effort, dubbed "Project Strike Back,'' was created by the department's Office of Inspector General. After Sept. 11, 2001, its main mission of agency oversight and loan-fraud investigations was expanded to include counterterrorism work.

   At the time, investigators believed some funding for the 9/11 attacks came from identity theft and fraud, criminal activity the Education Department had experience investigating, according to a still-secret memo obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request.

   The department's central database stores information on all of the roughly 14 million students who apply for financial aid each year, even after they have repaid the loans.

   To search for "potential terrorist activity,'' the FBI gave the department what the bureau considered suspicious names to run through its databases, said bureau spokeswoman Cathy Milhoan. The bureau made requests as recently as February.
...
   However, the Education Department is steadily expanding its records on students, to the point that it could soon make a student's "permanent record'' a reality. It has already expanded its records system to include more electronic information, such as photos, scanned documents and audio and video from its investigations.  Implies on campus investigators.

And the department envisions a database that would track individual students' enrollment, performance and financial aid information from elementary school to college and beyond to ensure greater accountability from colleges and universities that receive substantial federal grants.
...
Project Strike Back was just one of 24 data mining initiatives run by the Education Department, which ranks fourth out of all federal agencies in terms of the number of data mining programs it runs. It ranks after the departments of Defense, Homeland Security and Justice.

USAToday article: Intelligence agencies invest in college education
http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2006-11-27-intel-college_x.htm

Here is an interesting article from Counterpunch about the CIA and college campuses:
http://www.counterpunch.org/price03122005.html

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Jim

It is well established that the intelligence agencies recruit on college campuses.  They also fund research and monitor students(Everyone knows that COINTELPRO cut it's teeth in the sixties infiltrating the college campus peace and civil rights movements).  You need to bring some evidence when you want to knock down someone else's research.  You have proven nothing, except that you don't believe this girl was murdered for her research.  At least Great Haku provides circumstantial evidence...you provide shit.  You saying that without the paper the theory is bogus is like me saying, "If flight 77 didn't crash into the pentagon, then show me where it is..."    How about some constructive criticism?
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Good work Great Haku!  Do some follow up or get a character witness and you will have me sold 100%.  Consider interviewing police or social contacts of the victim(was she in a sorority?).  Find out if she had a friend at work.  Very interesting.  Don't stop digging until you can convince Jim. 

[jimd3100]

Jim

 You need to bring some evidence when you want to knock down someone else's research.  You have proven nothing, except that you don't believe this girl was murdered for her research.  At least Great Haku provides circumstantial evidence...you provide shit.  You saying that without the paper the theory is bogus is like me saying, "If flight 77 didn't crash into the pentagon, then show me where it is..."    How about some constructive criticism?

I'm not knocking anything down here except it's all speculation. No I didn't prove anything as far as this goes. Neither has anyone else.
Research this all you want, I'm all for it. I wont be doing it, because it's all speculative and always will be without more info on what she knew and what the paper said. No copy of the thesis on her computer? No relative has it? Is it a fact that it was stolen? Did she actually know anything? It's all speculative. By all means find out all you can, I'm all for it, I just don't care much for jumping to conclusions based on extreme specualtion. I'm not saying everyone else should feel the way I do about it, which is why I'll say it again, research it more, I just see speculation, find more and I will be more interested.

[jimd3100]

How about some constructive criticism?

Point taken. Thanks for the slap around.
Bottom line for me is, if she was killed for her thesis, it must have explosive info. Even if she wrote about bin laden being involved with CIA it wouldn't get her killed as it's been pointed out that, that info was printed already as open source periodicals. It would take extremely
explosive info to get killed, I lean toward she didn't have it. And no, you don't need her thesis to prove this. If she did have explosive info,
I would assume she would mention it to her parents siblings a friend or whatever, to say she wouldn't out of fear wouldn't make sense because she is going to publish it as a thesis. I'm not trying to silence this. I want you to find out more, I have other projects, and find this
to speculative for me, some feel otherwise. That's fine. I could have been more constructive though I agree.
If you guys really believe this why don't you forward your suspicions to these guys?
http://www.ct.gov/csao/cwp/view.asp?Q=400160&A=1801

[Great Haku]

Discounting sourced research out of hand...  I guess everyone who wrote a report on bin Laden and handed it to a known intelligence agent got killed, and that is why we should ignore this one.
 
I find this info very interesting, Jim.  Sorry, your opinion is that it is pointless.  It seems very well researched.  You seem to have an interest in silencing this line of thought.  You call it rumour and gossip, but GH has included many MSM links.  The only thing that I think is missing is an interview with an acquiantance of Jovin\'s, which is really the best you can expect if she was killed to silence her research.  The perp would have taken it(duh).  I can\'t believe you are here telling someone their research \"means absolutely nothing\".  How about a link to verify that crappy opinion?  Your proof that Jovin\'s thesis wasn\'t the reason for her death is that you can\'t find her thesis anywhere?  Wow... 
I certainly wouldn\'t call it nothing, at the very least this is a good start.  Great Haku needs to interview some acquaintances and see if the girl said anything to them about her research.

Let me add something...Notice that van de Velde worked for U.S. Naval Intelligence and was at Stanford.

On April 4, 1992 Andreas Drexler placed an ad for his 1974 Impala on a usenet site.  Two weeks later he would leave the campus of Stanford University in this same car and drive across country.  Inside the Impala Drexler had at least one firearm and over 2,000 rounds of ammo.  The following day, 4/23/92, he would fatally shoot his ex-girlfriend Susan Clements and her friend Steven Molen in Eigenmann Hall Dormitory on the Indiana University campus in Bloomington, Indiana. 

After shooting Molen and Clements, Drexler fled into the night with his gun, leaving behind the Impala and his extra ammo.  Instead of returning to the car he ran to a nearby neighborhood, in a city he did not know and fatally shot himself while cowering behind the shrubs of a small house.  Andreas Drexler was a German national studying computer science at Stanford University.  He has been credited with developing the first model of MURPHI, a computer language designed as a “DEBUGGING AID” for computer programs.   

According to the copyright for Murphi,  “The new version was almost entirely reimplemented by Ralph Melton during the summer and fall of 1992.”  Meaning, of course, that Mr. Melton and the Murphi team reworked Andreas Drexler’s original program immediately after his death.  The group acknowledges in this same document that they received financial support from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) and the U.S. Office of Naval Research.

Less than 7 months prior to Drexler\'s rampage, another brilliant foreign born student killed his research team at Iowa University.  According to the NYT Gang Lu was one of only three hundred research experts on plasma energy(1990).  He shot and killed four people before leaving Van Allen Hall and killing an administrator before shooting himself as police closed in.  Gang Lu sent five letters to the University prior to his rampage...several were for the media.  Gang Lu was working under a contract from NASA.  I wonder who kept Gang Lu\'s plasma notes?


Now, let\'s overlay the Gang Lu and Andreas Drexler \"events\" and see if a familiar picture develops.  Drexler left stanford(where he worked for DARPA and Naval Research) and killed a man and woman in a dorm before fleeing on foot.  Gang Lu sent letters to the media before going into a University hall and gunning down multiple people.  Both killed themselves as police closed in.  Both were foreign nationals.  Doesn\'t sound too much like Cho at VT.  I can throw in another foreign national who killed people on campus(but was apprehended by classmates before he could kill himself). 

Ten years later(After Drexler) a naturalized U.S. citizen from Nigeria opened fire at the Appalachian School of Law, killing three and wounding several others.  After running out of ammo he was subdued by fellow students.  He later told reporters that, “I was sick, I was sick.  I need help.”  Peter Odighizuwa also told the judge, “I was supposed to see my doctor.  He was supposed to help me out…I don’t have my medication.”  In this same article “Peter O” is described as a quiet loner by some, and “abrasive” by others who claimed he had several outbursts in class.

The judge at his preliminary hearing assigns Peter O an attorney named James C. Turk Jr., saying, “Once you’ve talked with him, I’m sure you’ll see he can help you.”  James C. Turk Jr. is the son of the Honorable James C. Turk a U.S. District Judge in Virginia.  His mother is Barbara Turk who is president of the Saint Albans foundation, which seeks charity support of St. Albans Hospital in Radford, Virginia.  The Saint Albans Behavioral Hospital is where Cho Seung-Hui was ordered for treatment by a Virginia court in 2005.  Peter O escaped a death sentence by admitting his guilt, which is quite lenient for a state which has a strong history of capital punishment.  According to Wikipedia, Virginia has executed more people than any other state in the union, including Texas.  One of his victims was L. Anthony Sutin, an expert on constitutional and election law and former assistant attorney general(In the Clinton Administration) who was a vocal critic of the 2000 presidential election.  Peter O now claims James Turk is involved in a government conspiracy to suppress information about his case.  MKULTRA?

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1024078861416
http://www.bloomingpedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Drexler
http://chicory.stanford.edu/dill/Murphi/Murphi3.1/License
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE5DB1538F937A35752C1A967958260&sec=health&spon=&pagewanted=print
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19950016851_1995116851.pdf
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:T5s-SkaIsaoJ:www.ssristories.com/files/grundy.pdf+Kahn+AP+Dean,+prof,+student+dead&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/vaw/law_enforcement_directory/judges_district.html
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/election/election2000-1.htm
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1612226,00.html
http://www.lawschool.com/appalachianguilt.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_Lu


http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/church/reports/book1/html/ChurchB1_0199a.htm
From the Church Committee:  \"MKULTRA was the principle CIA program involving the research and development of chemical and biological agents.  It was \'concerned with the research and development of chemical, biological, and radiological materials capable of employment in clandestine operations to control human behavior.\'(11)\" 
The Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities, known as the \"Church Committee\" after its chairman Frank Church, conducted a wide-ranging investigation of the intelligence agencies in the post-Watergate period.

1991 New York Times Article about CIA agent who was president of Rochester Institute of Tech.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE4DE1E31F933A15755C0A967958260
College\'s C.I.A. Links Cause Furor, and Soul-Searching

By WILLIAM GLABERSON,
Published: June 20, 1991
The disclosure that a college president worked secretly for the Central Intelligence Agency while on leave has touched off a furious battle here, complete with stolen documents, bitter personal attacks, international outrage and an intense debate over ties between intelligence agencies and academia.

The dispute about links between the C.I.A. and the Rochester Institute of Technology has led to calls for the resignation of the president, M. Richard Rose, and prompted an unusual public defense by the C.I.A. of its need for contact with academia -- the \"cloak and gown\" relationship, as it was described in a document stolen from the president\'s office and mailed to the local press.

The controversy began with the news in April that Mr. Rose, who was a Deputy Secretary of Defense in the Nixon Administration, was working at the C.I.A. during a four-month leave, and that even university trustees had not been informed of his whereabouts until he was already at work at C.I.A. headquarters in Langley, Va.

A C.I.A. spokesman, Mark Mansfield, and critics of the agency agree that Mr. Rose may be the highest-level sitting academic official ever to have been identified as having such close ties to the agency...

Project roots out terrorists on college campuses
http://media.www.paisano-online.com/media/storage/paper975/news/2006/09/04/News/Project.Roots.Out.Terrorists.On.College.Campuses-2672751.shtml
By: Associated Press
Issue date: 9/4/06 Section: News

For the past five years, the FBI and the Education Department secretly scrutinized tens of millions of federal financial aid and college enrollment records in search of terrorists.

   The effort, dubbed \"Project Strike Back,\'\' was created by the department\'s Office of Inspector General. After Sept. 11, 2001, its main mission of agency oversight and loan-fraud investigations was expanded to include counterterrorism work.

   At the time, investigators believed some funding for the 9/11 attacks came from identity theft and fraud, criminal activity the Education Department had experience investigating, according to a still-secret memo obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request.

   The department\'s central database stores information on all of the roughly 14 million students who apply for financial aid each year, even after they have repaid the loans.

   To search for \"potential terrorist activity,\'\' the FBI gave the department what the bureau considered suspicious names to run through its databases, said bureau spokeswoman Cathy Milhoan. The bureau made requests as recently as February.
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   However, the Education Department is steadily expanding its records on students, to the point that it could soon make a student\'s \"permanent record\'\' a reality. It has already expanded its records system to include more electronic information, such as photos, scanned documents and audio and video from its investigations.  Implies on campus investigators.

And the department envisions a database that would track individual students\' enrollment, performance and financial aid information from elementary school to college and beyond to ensure greater accountability from colleges and universities that receive substantial federal grants.
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Project Strike Back was just one of 24 data mining initiatives run by the Education Department, which ranks fourth out of all federal agencies in terms of the number of data mining programs it runs. It ranks after the departments of Defense, Homeland Security and Justice.

USAToday article: Intelligence agencies invest in college education
http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2006-11-27-intel-college_x.htm

Here is an interesting article from Counterpunch about the CIA and college campuses:
http://www.counterpunch.org/price03122005.html

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Jim

It is well established that the intelligence agencies recruit on college campuses.  They also fund research and monitor students(Everyone knows that COINTELPRO cut it\'s teeth in the sixties infiltrating the college campus peace and civil rights movements).  You need to bring some evidence when you want to knock down someone else\'s research.  You have proven nothing, except that you don\'t believe this girl was murdered for her research.  At least Great Haku provides circumstantial evidence...you provide shit.  You saying that without the paper the theory is bogus is like me saying, \"If flight 77 didn\'t crash into the pentagon, then show me where it is...\"    How about some constructive criticism?
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Good work Great Haku!  Do some follow up or get a character witness and you will have me sold 100%.  Consider interviewing police or social contacts of the victim(was she in a sorority?).  Find out if she had a friend at work.  Very interesting.  Don\'t stop digging until you can convince Jim. 

That MKULTRA research is superb, my friend, superb! As you show, there is an interesting focus towards Stanford. van de Velde being linked to Stanford as well is just more evidence of his connections to the shadow government. Great advice, 37! I will try to look up anyone at Yale who might know more about what happened. I will post any updates on this case.



My evidence that this was a black-ops assassination bases not just around the Bin Laden thesis. That is the motive I am offering. The evidence that she was killed by the government is that everything points toward van de Velde, who happens to have a security clearance five levels above top secret and a job at the Pentagon/State Department, a link to Stanford, and a job in the Navy Intelligence reserves. You don\'t get that far being a psychotic, motiveless murderer. This guy even went back to The Pentagon after the murder.

[dogmadestroyer]

Interesting thread. The first thing that came to mind is what plagues "conspiracy" researchers. Too often cases are built merely on circumstance where someone not so well versed in how things truly work could look at the research and just brush it off as paranoia. However, it seems like its worth a bit of digging to see if it goes anywhere.

[Great Haku]

About Jovin's friends, Killtown met a couple of her classmates. One thought that van de Velde had been convicted:

I put it on myspace because there are tons of Yale grads who have myspaces. I met a couple of her classmates on there. One assumed the Professor did it and thought he was convicted!

http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=492

What he did afterwards is go and continue life as a spook for the agency. He went back to The Pentagon.

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If you guys really believe this why don't you forward your suspicions to these guys?
http://www.ct.gov/csao/cwp/view.asp?Q=400160&A=1801

Suzanne Jovin Homicide Investigation Team


Office of the State's Attorney
Judicial District of New Haven
November 30, 2007

Announcement Concerning the December 4, 1998, Homicide of Yale University Student Suzanne Jovin

Suzanne Jovin was a talented and popular senior at Yale University when she was stabbed to death near the corner of Edgehill Road and East Rock Road in New Haven on December 4, 1998. It has been nine years since that tragedy, and Suzanne’s killer has not yet been arrested.

In June of 2007, State’s Attorney Michael Dearington called together a team of retired Connecticut State Police detectives who have begun an independent inquiry into the murder of Ms. Jovin. They will both re-evaluate existing information from all prior inquiries into the murder and also seek out new information not previously known to authorities. This effort can be effective only if no assumptions are made about the crime or the identity of those responsible. The idea is to approach the case as if it were brand new. Therefore, no person is a suspect in the crime, and everyone is a suspect in the crime. Similarly, it can not be known whether DNA evidence found in Ms. Jovin’s fingernail scrapings is that of the murderer unless or until that DNA is connected to some individual. That evidence is just as likely to be unconnected to the crime as to be connected to it.(Did they check van de Velde's DNA?)

The State of Connecticut is fortunate to have the help of this outstanding group of experienced investigators in trying to solve this case. It would be next to impossible to assemble a group more capable of investigating this terrible crime, even if the State had unlimited funds. The Jovin Investigation Team, however, has volunteered to devote a huge amount of their personal time to solving this murder for a payment of just one dollar a year. John Mannion organized the Team for this office last summer, and he will be its leader.

As we approach the ninth anniversary of Suzanne’s death on December 4, we are asking the public to renew its commitment to assisting the Jovin Investigation Team in discovering the person or persons who were responsible for this atrocity. To that end, the Team has established a phone line, monitored by its members, for anyone who has information about the crime to call.

The Team is interested in all available information or leads, no matter how remote or trivial that information may seem. We want to hear from anyone who has a reasonable suspicion about the crime or criminal, who has heard something, seen something, or who may even have repressed the reality of something they know that could be related to the murder of Ms. Jovin. No one should assume that someone else has already provided the information. Even if a member of the public has already made a call in response to previous requests for information, that person should call again so that the Team may follow every possible lead.

The telephone number connecting directly to the Jovin Investigation Team is:

203-676-1575

The Team also has an e-mail address:

jovincase@gmail.com

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcD22qE_5-k&feature=related

About This Video:
This is the house at 305 St. Ronan St. where James Van de Velde lived on the night of the murder. The following info was culled from an article in the Journal of the New Haven Colony Historical Society (Spring 2002)

East Rock: Facts, Artifacts, and Memories by
Peter Dobkin Hall.

One of the real mysteries of East Rock is the remarkable coincidence in the lives of the lead suspects in the most notorious unsolved New Haven murders of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries: both of whom lived at the same St. Ronan Street address. The elegant brick Tudor Revival mansion at 305 St. Ronan was built in 1915 for Walter E. Malley, chairman of the board of the Edward Malley Company, New Haven's leading department store. A quarter century before moving to the neighborhood, he and his cousin, Jimmy Malley, had stood trial for the murder of the beautiful young daughter of a Grand Avenue cigar maker.

By amazing coincidence, 305 St. Ronan, by then housing the offices of Bethesda Lutheran Church and half a dozen small apartments, would be the residence of James van de Veld, the lead suspect in the unsolved murder of Yale senior Suzanne Jovin.
On an unseasonably warm winter evening early in December 1998, police found the body of a young woman at the intersection of Edgehill and East Rock roads (Johnson 1998a). She had been stabbed seventeen times. Police could find no clues to the identity of the perpetrator, not even a murder weapon. Police searched for physical evidence, interrogated possible witnesses, and attempted to reconstruct her last hours.From the force and number of stab wounds, they assumed it to be a crime of passion. By the following week, although there were no strong leads to her killer, police announced that they had narrowed the range of the investigation to males living within three blocks of where her body was found (Johnson 1998b).Just as pressure from New Haven's ethnic communities led the police to hasty conclusions based on circumstantial evidence in the Cramer case in 1881, so pressure from the Jovin family and the university fueled a rush to judgment. 1998 had not been a good year for Yale. The arrest of a senior professor and college master as a child molester and pornographer and continuing battles with the preservation community and community activists concerned about the university's continuing expansion and destruction of historic properties had battered its reputation. Under the circumstances, particularly because it was in the midst of a major fundraising effort, the last thing Yale wanted was the widely publicized murder of an undergraduate to remain unsolved. A quick resolution of the matter, even if the perpetrator turned out to be a member of the university community, would be preferable to protracted speculation.13 Within days of the crime, investigators and the university were leaking information to the press about a suspect, Jovin's senior thesis advisor, James van de Velde, who lived at 305 St. Ronan Street, three blocks from the crime scene (Francescani & Neumann 1998 ; "Yale Prof Quizzed" 1998; Johnson 1998b). Rumors ran rampant. The suspect allowed police to search his apartment and his car and offered to take a liedetector test. The searches turned up nothing suspicious. But because van de Velde had no alibi witnesses to vouch for his whereabouts at the time of the murder, nothing he could do or say could stem the flow of misinformation. Yale added to the atmosphere of suspicion by cancelling van de Velde's courses. In ensuing months, federal authorities lent their expertise to the investigation, as did the celebrated forensic scientist Henry Lee who, on the anniversary of the crime, staged a highly publicized reenactment (Beach 1999 Through the two years following the crime, the "prime suspect" courageously defended his reputation. He continued to live on St. Ronan Street and go about his life. But he eventually gave up and left town. At least Walter and Jimmy Malley had the satisfaction of a trial and vindication. Despite the $150,000 reward offered for information leading to the arrest of a perpetrator, no evident sufficient to present to a grand jury has come to light and van de Velde continues to live under the shadow unfounded accusation.

Boy, someone feels that James van de Velde got a raw deal...even though he was never arrested or charged with a crime. What is with two clips of this particular murder on You Tube?

Scene where body was found...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akSgbbbohBc  GH, look at the comments, this girl seems to know Suzanne...(read the info on this vid also...another suspect named)

"This is the correct spot from what I remember. Suzanne: You are still missed and thought of every day." -sexytiger1976
 
 She has her own You Tube Channel...perhaps you could ask her how well she knew Suzanne.  Remember to be respectful...

[jimd3100]

Looking over this again, there are two things that pop out at me that perks my interest now. The high security clearance he has and one other thing. Without paying attention.... this crime was nearly 10 years ago, and he was never arrested for anything, that wont stop you from getting a clearance necessarily, and a thorough background check is conducted on you to get a clearance, but he got his clearance the same year he was a suspect and being investigated for a murder. I've been in the Army and the Air Force. I've had lots of background checks and high security clearances. It's difficult for me to believe that you can attain a top secret clearance or higher with a murder investigation going on you. This doesn't look right.

From Dec 8 2000 article:
http://web.archive.org/web/20020823120227/www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=13935

".S. Navy Lt. Cmdr. Stephen Pope said Wednesday that Van de Velde, the only named suspect in the Suzanne Jovin '99 murder investigation, has been working for the U.S. Defense Department in an active military role for nearly a year"

Asked if the security investigation found any problems in Van de Velde's past, Pope replied, "None whatsoever."

She was Killed in Dec of 1998, most of 1999 he was a suspect and evidently got a Top Secret Clearance? I don't see how that's possible.....unless.........<hence my interest now>...

And this got my attention....this article was written in 1999....most folks didn't know about bin laden in 1999.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9401E4DF1F3AF931A2575AC0A96F958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=3

After briefly interviewing him on Monday, detectives asked Van de Velde to the station Tuesday evening for what, after an hour of softballs, turned into an interrogation, by his account. They showed him grisly pictures of Jovin's body, he said. ''They would say things like: 'We know it wasn't the thesis, we know it wasn't the thesis. Just tell us what it was.'''

That's pretty weird. Why are they saying this? Well, this is what he says, they were saying to him. This is odd.

[jimd3100]

While this is fairly interesting it means absolutely nothing, and just gossip. However show me what the thesis she wrote said, and I would be interested in that. Without the thesis there is no point in looking at this any further, for any suspicion would be speculation based on the thesis. If she was killed because of the thesis I want to read it. Something like "Bin laden is a terrorist and bad" isn't going to get her killed. Frankly unless she really outed him, I can't imagine what could.  I would be extremely interested in reading her thesis, but without access to that I have no further interest in this it's nothing without it.

Wow,   this guy is such a dik sometimes

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Wow,   this guy is such a dik sometimes

You made up for it with the previous post... Nice find. 

Turns out to be a pretty interesting case, huh?  I'm hooked.  Check out those You Tube videos...they are each 30 seconds long.  Seems weird. 

What could a girl at Yale find out about OBL that would put her in danger?  Family connection to Bush?(weak)  Connection to someone else?  It can't be that he planned to attack us.  What would be so damning that they couldn't just ruin her credibility?  Did she see him on campus, or what?  Did Van de Velde try to impress her with inside knowledge and then freak out that she would tell someone?  I'm going to look around on this a little more.

[Dronethunk]

I think we now know what they are really looking for in their interrogations at Gitmo (Guantanamo Bay)
and Abu Ghraib: they are not searching for terrorists.

Part of this is likely that they are looking for people who know too much about Osama Bin Laden and his contacts, and who they may have talked to about it (who else may know) , etc.  Just like this female student knew too much.

It looks like the CIA are trying to eradicate any trace of their activity in the muslim world.

I suspect that another component of this is that they are trying to create hatred and extremism among Muslims, and perhaps even create some MKUltra 'projects' along the way.

A good film on the subject of these CIA prisons is 'Taxi to the Dark Side' (2007)