While this is fairly interesting it means absolutely nothing, and just gossip. However show me what the thesis she wrote said, and I would be interested in that. Without the thesis there is no point in looking at this any further, for any suspicion would be speculation based on the thesis. If she was killed because of the thesis I want to read it. Something like "Bin laden is a terrorist and bad" isn't going to get her killed. Frankly unless she really outed him, I can't imagine what could. I would be extremely interested in reading her thesis, but without access to that I have no further interest in this it's nothing without it.
There are thousands of murders every year, she wrote a thesis on bin laden, which is why we are even talking about this one. Everything else is speculation.
Discounting sourced research out of hand... I guess everyone who wrote a report on bin Laden and handed it to a known intelligence agent got killed, and that is why we should ignore this one.
I find this info very interesting, Jim. Sorry, your opinion is that it is pointless. It seems very well researched. You seem to have an interest in silencing this line of thought. You call it rumour and gossip, but GH has included many MSM links. The only thing that I think is missing is an interview with an acquiantance of Jovin's, which is really the best you can expect if she was killed to silence her research. The perp would have taken it(duh). I can't believe you are here telling someone their research "means absolutely nothing". How about a link to verify that crappy opinion? Your proof that Jovin's thesis wasn't the reason for her death is that you can't find her thesis anywhere? Wow...
I certainly wouldn't call it nothing, at the very least this is a good start. Great Haku needs to interview some acquaintances and see if the girl said anything to them about her research.
Let me add something...Notice that van de Velde worked for U.S. Naval Intelligence and was at Stanford.
On April 4, 1992 Andreas Drexler placed an ad for his 1974 Impala on a usenet site. Two weeks later he would leave the campus of Stanford University
in this same car and drive across country. Inside the Impala Drexler had at least one firearm and over 2,000 rounds of ammo. The following day, 4/23/92, he would fatally shoot his ex-girlfriend Susan Clements and her friend Steven Molen in Eigenmann Hall Dormitory on the Indiana University campus in Bloomington, Indiana.
After shooting Molen and Clements, Drexler fled into the night with his gun, leaving behind the Impala and his extra ammo. Instead of returning to the car he ran to a nearby neighborhood, in a city he did not know and fatally shot himself while cowering behind the shrubs of a small house. Andreas Drexler was a German national studying computer science at Stanford University. He has been credited with developing the first model of MURPHI, a computer language designed as a “DEBUGGING AID” for computer programs.
According to the copyright for Murphi, “The new version was almost entirely reimplemented by Ralph Melton during the summer and fall of 1992.” Meaning, of course, that Mr. Melton and the Murphi team reworked Andreas Drexler’s original program immediately after his death. The group acknowledges in this same document that they received financial support from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) and the U.S. Office of Naval Research.
Less than 7 months prior to Drexler's rampage, another brilliant foreign born student killed his research team at Iowa University. According to the NYT Gang Lu was one of only three hundred research experts on plasma energy(1990). He shot and killed four people before leaving Van Allen Hall and killing an administrator before shooting himself as police closed in. Gang Lu sent five letters to the University prior to his rampage...several were for the media. Gang Lu was working under a contract from NASA. I wonder who kept Gang Lu's plasma notes?
Now, let's overlay the Gang Lu and Andreas Drexler "events" and see if a familiar picture develops. Drexler left stanford(where he worked for DARPA and Naval Research) and killed a man and woman in a dorm before fleeing on foot. Gang Lu sent letters to the media before going into a University hall and gunning down multiple people. Both killed themselves as police closed in. Both were foreign nationals. Doesn't sound too much like Cho at VT. I can throw in another foreign national who killed people on campus(but was apprehended by classmates before he could kill himself).
Ten years later(After Drexler) a naturalized U.S. citizen from Nigeria opened fire at the Appalachian School of Law, killing three and wounding several others. After running out of ammo he was subdued by fellow students. He later told reporters that, “I was sick, I was sick. I need help.” Peter Odighizuwa also told the judge, “I was supposed to see my doctor. He was supposed to help me out…I don’t have my medication.” In this same article “Peter O” is described as a quiet loner by some, and “abrasive” by others who claimed he had several outbursts in class.
The judge at his preliminary hearing assigns Peter O an attorney named James C. Turk Jr., saying, “Once you’ve talked with him, I’m sure you’ll see he can help you.” James C. Turk Jr. is the son of the Honorable James C. Turk a U.S. District Judge in Virginia. His mother is Barbara Turk who is president of the Saint Albans foundation, which seeks charity support of St. Albans Hospital in Radford, Virginia. The Saint Albans Behavioral Hospital is where Cho Seung-Hui was ordered for treatment by a Virginia court in 2005. Peter O escaped a death sentence by admitting his guilt, which is quite lenient for a state which has a strong history of capital punishment. According to Wikipedia, Virginia has executed more people than any other state in the union, including Texas. One of his victims was L. Anthony Sutin, an expert on constitutional and election law and former assistant attorney general(In the Clinton Administration) who was a vocal critic of the 2000 presidential election. Peter O now claims James Turk is involved in a government conspiracy to suppress information about his case. MKULTRA?http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1024078861416http://www.bloomingpedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Drexlerhttp://chicory.stanford.edu/dill/Murphi/Murphi3.1/Licensehttp://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE5DB1538F937A35752C1A967958260&sec=health&spon=&pagewanted=printhttp://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19950016851_1995116851.pdfhttp://126.96.36.199/search?q=cache:T5s-SkaIsaoJ:www.ssristories.com/files/grundy.pdf+Kahn+AP+Dean,+prof,+student+dead&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=ushttp://www.usdoj.gov/usao/vaw/law_enforcement_directory/judges_district.htmlhttp://jurist.law.pitt.edu/election/election2000-1.htmhttp://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1612226,00.htmlhttp://www.lawschool.com/appalachianguilt.htmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_Luhttp://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/church/reports/book1/html/ChurchB1_0199a.htm
From the Church Committee: "MKULTRA was the principle CIA program involving the research and development of chemical and biological agents. It was 'concerned with the research and development of chemical, biological, and radiological materials capable of employment in clandestine operations to control human behavior.'(11)"
The Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities, known as the "Church Committee" after its chairman Frank Church, conducted a wide-ranging investigation of the intelligence agencies in the post-Watergate period.
1991 New York Times Article about CIA agent who was president of Rochester Institute of Tech.http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE4DE1E31F933A15755C0A967958260College's C.I.A. Links Cause Furor, and Soul-Searching
By WILLIAM GLABERSON,
Published: June 20, 1991
The disclosure that a college president worked secretly for the Central Intelligence Agency while on leave has touched off a furious battle here, complete with stolen documents, bitter personal attacks, international outrage and an intense debate over ties between intelligence agencies and academia.
The dispute about links between the C.I.A. and the Rochester Institute of Technology has led to calls for the resignation of the president, M. Richard Rose, and prompted an unusual public defense by the C.I.A. of its need for contact with academia -- the "cloak and gown" relationship, as it was described in a document stolen from the president's office and mailed to the local press.
The controversy began with the news in April that Mr. Rose, who was a Deputy Secretary of Defense in the Nixon Administration, was working at the C.I.A. during a four-month leave, and that even university trustees had not been informed of his whereabouts until he was already at work at C.I.A. headquarters in Langley, Va.
A C.I.A. spokesman, Mark Mansfield, and critics of the agency agree that Mr. Rose may be the highest-level sitting academic official ever to have been identified as having such close ties to the agency... Project roots out terrorists on college campuseshttp://media.www.paisano-online.com/media/storage/paper975/news/2006/09/04/News/Project.Roots.Out.Terrorists.On.College.Campuses-2672751.shtml
By: Associated Press
Issue date: 9/4/06 Section: News
For the past five years, the FBI and the Education Department secretly scrutinized tens of millions of federal financial aid and college enrollment records in search of terrorists.
The effort, dubbed "Project Strike Back,'' was created by the department's Office of Inspector General. After Sept. 11, 2001, its main mission of agency oversight and loan-fraud investigations was expanded to include counterterrorism work.
At the time, investigators believed some funding for the 9/11 attacks came from identity theft and fraud, criminal activity the Education Department had experience investigating, according to a still-secret memo obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request.
The department's central database stores information on all of the roughly 14 million students who apply for financial aid each year, even after they have repaid the loans.
To search for "potential terrorist activity,'' the FBI gave the department what the bureau considered suspicious names to run through its databases, said bureau spokeswoman Cathy Milhoan. The bureau made requests as recently as February.
However, the Education Department is steadily expanding its records on students, to the point that it could soon make a student's "permanent record'' a reality. It has already expanded its records system to include more electronic information, such as photos, scanned documents and audio and video from its investigations
Implies on campus investigators.
And the department envisions a database that would track individual students' enrollment, performance and financial aid information from elementary school to college and beyond to ensure greater accountability from colleges and universities that receive substantial federal grants.
Project Strike Back was just one of 24 data mining initiatives run by the Education Department, which ranks fourth out of all federal agencies in terms of the number of data mining programs it runs. It ranks after the departments of Defense, Homeland Security and Justice.
USAToday article: Intelligence agencies invest in college educationhttp://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2006-11-27-intel-college_x.htm
Here is an interesting article from Counterpunch about the CIA and college campuses:http://www.counterpunch.org/price03122005.html
It is well established that the intelligence agencies recruit on college campuses. They also fund research and monitor students(Everyone knows that COINTELPRO cut it's teeth in the sixties infiltrating the college campus peace and civil rights movements). You need to bring some evidence when you want to knock down someone else's research. You have proven nothing, except that you don't believe this girl was murdered for her research. At least Great Haku provides circumstantial evidence...you provide shit. You saying that without the paper the theory is bogus is like me saying, "If flight 77 didn't crash into the pentagon, then show me where it is..." How about some constructive criticism?
Good work Great Haku! Do some follow up or get a character witness and you will have me sold 100%. Consider interviewing police or social contacts of the victim(was she in a sorority?). Find out if she had a friend at work. Very interesting. Don't stop digging until you can convince Jim.