I don't see this board as a friend of women....Please educate me.

[rimbaud]

After looking at a few of the threads here on the eugenics board, I have come to the conclusion that I don't truly understand your reasoning and how it could pertain to the average American women who would strongly consider an abortion if she got pregnant.

As for myself, my peak years of fertility are here as a woman, and I couldn't care less.  I realize that the world is overpopulated, and I truly do not want to contribute to that, but fundamentally I don't care to be a mother because I am too selfish. 

I am absolutely thrilled to be getting an I.U.D. implanted soon!   I will not have to care about pregnancy for 3 years and I am thrilled.

Still though, I am absolutely horrified that people are being forcibly sterilized.  I find that practice to be repugnant.

Can somehow direct me to a thread that speaks succinctly about the rationale here regarding abortion being awful?

I, as a woman with the right to choose, believe that Planned Parenthood has a place in society for good.

Are there any pro-choice women or men on this board who happen to think abortion shouldn't just be thought of as being in the agenda of eugenics?

[White Rose Sophie]

Unfortunately, I do not have the time this evening to post a meaningful message about abortion, and it's effects on women, men and society in general, but i will do so possibly tomorrow.

Speaking as a woman, and a post-abortive woman, I can tell you that Abortion doesn't just stop a beating heart, it also breaks one. 

Whether you believe in a Supreme being or not, from a purely biological standpoint, it is destructive not only to the unborn child, but also to the mother.  In nature when an animal loses an offspring, they grieve greatly and will often take to "mothering" (ie,nursing) other animals to compensate. I personally believe that is why all females are given a portion of "maternal instinct", whether two legged or four legged.  In the animal kingdom if a mother grieves for the loss of her baby, wouldn't you expect a human mother to react the same way?  After all, upon conception, a woman's hormones start to change, just as her outside body does. It is not simply a physical change, it is an emotional change, as well as a spiritual one, in my opinion.  And to be the cause of her child's death would amplify that grief, in my personal experience. Whether acknowledged or not.

And it's quite sad really, that the ONE physical gift that a woman is given that a man has not, the one thing that she can do that a man can't - is the one thing that women seem to now find 'inconvenient'.   One wonders if that idea wasn't put into society by men to make women feel that way.....that the supreme power they possess (bringing forth a human life) is not very important.  Also, it gives a certain type of man an easy answer to the one consequence of sexual irresponsibility that they cannot 'medicate' away -pregnancy.  Now, they can do what they like without regard to consequences/responsibilities, eh?

[ex_nihilo]

After looking at a few of the threads here on the eugenics board, I have come to the conclusion that I don't truly understand your reasoning and how it could pertain to the average American women who would strongly consider an abortion if she got pregnant.

As for myself, my peak years of fertility are here as a woman, and I couldn't care less.  I realize that the world is overpopulated, and I truly do not want to contribute to that, but fundamentally I don't care to be a mother because I am too selfish. 

I am absolutely thrilled to be getting an I.U.D. implanted soon!   I will not have to care about pregnancy for 3 years and I am thrilled.

You have bought the lie. There is no such thing as "overpopulation". There is however overdevelopment and overproximity, such as in large cities that makes it appear as though overpopulation is the issue, when in reality it is not. In all actuality the population is currently in DECLINE. Families in the U.S. are having on average 1.3 children per family, most likely less now (the study was done years ago). This doesn't even sustain the current population as 2 children per family would. The reasons? No clue, I'm sure personal finances are one factor however.

You have been programmed to think in a way that conflicts with your natural biology. The reason you have reproductive organs is to reproduce with a mate, and to "connect" with said mate you plan on reproducing with. This country has a bad addiction to pleasure instead of responsibility.

I.U.D. devices have the serious risk of penetrating through the wall of your uterus and very possibly sterilizing you. Do you know their method of operation? IUD's contain copper or some other metal, when this is present in the uterus your body sees it as a foreign object and is constantly trying to attack it. This effectively makes the uterine environment a bad environment for implantation of the blastocyst (fertilized and developed egg). It DOES NOT prevent implantation, only severely hinders it. Notice this method of operation works AFTER conception (egg is fertilized), and DOES make the resulting embryo abnormal, and DOES not totally prevent implantation. Everything is "washed out" with the next cycle.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3311625

Still though, I am absolutely horrified that people are being forcibly sterilized.  I find that practice to be repugnant.

Why? Is not the only logical answer to "overpopulation" to have less people? What makes forcible sterilization "repugnant" versus abortion?

Can somehow direct me to a thread that speaks succinctly about the rationale here regarding abortion being awful?

Abortion is awful because it is the end of a life. Any succinctness added to this dilutes this message.

I, as a woman with the right to choose, believe that Planned Parenthood has a place in society for good.

How so? You obviously know their history if you've viewed any threads here. How can such an organization have a place in society for good?

Are there any pro-choice women or men on this board who happen to think abortion shouldn't just be thought of as being in the agenda of eugenics?

The sad fact is that abortion IS an agenda of eugenics.

The thought process is this: The world is "overpopulated", we have tried forcible sterilization, that did not work. What better way to "reduce population" than to get them to willingly kill themselves?

In this example "overpopulation" represents any any problem with which LESS HUMANS is the seeming answer: polution, resources, retaining power, etc.

[jofortruth]

I, as a woman with the right to choose, believe that Planned Parenthood has a place in society for good.

Well, lets say we are AMERICANS first at this forum. Your single minded issue shows you haven't a clue what is really happening to your country, or simply don't care.

Time to graduate beyond the SINGLE INTENTIONALLY DEVISIVE ISSUE, and move on to what is really doing damage to your future and your country.

[ex_nihilo]

Well, lets say we are AMERICANS first at this forum. Your single minded issue shows you haven't a clue what is really happening to your country, or simply don't care.

Time to graduate beyond the SINGLE INTENTIONALLY DEVISIVE ISSUE, and move on to what is really doing damage to your future and your country.

Do you not see abortion as damaging our future?

[jofortruth]

Do you not see abortion as damaging our future?

I SEE IGNORANCE DAMAGING OUR FUTURE! I SEE DEPOPULATION DAMAGING ALL OF OUR FUTURE! I SEE LETTING THE SCUMBAGS WHO ARE ATTACKING ALL OF US AS DAMAGING OUR FUTURE!


This topic is just a fringe topic drawn out during every election to divert from what is really happening in America.

I prefer to focus on THE REAL ISSUES FACING THE COUNTRY AND THAT ARE DESTROYING IT FROM WITHIN!

What I think or don't think on this issue is irrelevant because I see this as a distraction PLAIN AND SIMPLE!

The person (has only 2 posts btw) who started this topic is a distraction and needs to learn outside her bubble of SINGLE ISSUES if she cares about her future and that of her family, if she has one!

THE GLOBALISTS ARE TAKING OVER YOUR COUNTRY. DO YOU CARE ABOUT THAT? OR DO YOU JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT ONE ISSUE WHEN IT WON'T SOLVE ANYTHING.

I SAY MOVE ON AND DEAL WITH THE REAL ISSUES OF THE TIME. IT MEANS LIFE OR DEATH TO YOUR COUNTRY,WHICH MEANS YOU ALSO! ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT WWIII BEING STARTED BASED ON LIES? ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THE TAKEOVER OF ALL TOP POSITIONS IN AMERICA BY THUGS WHO ARE DESTROYING YOUR COUNTRY? ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE AT THE TOP BEING TOTALLY LAWLESS AND ABUSING THEIR POWER? ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT ROGUE PEOPLE IN YOUR GOVT GAVE NUCLEAR INFORMATION TO OTHER NATIONS WHO MIGHT USE THEM? ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THE CONSTITUTION IS BEING TRAMPLED BY PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY REPRESENT YOU, AS DIRECTED BY THEIR GLOBALIST MASTERS, AND YOU HAVE NO SAY? I COULD GO ON, BUT IF YOU DON'T GET THIS BY NOW, THERE IS NO HOPE FOR PEOPLE WHO DISCUSS SINGLE ISSUES!

GET REAL, PEOPLE! YOU ARE FOCUSED ON THE ENTIRELY WRONG THING IF YOU WANT TO SAVE YOUR COUNTRY!

[jerryweaver]

I have heard comments about the DNC pretty much being a celebration of abortion this election cycle. 

Fast Forward to 2:15 and listen to Gloria Allred respond to the question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-RWnnwwvus&feature=player_embedded

Gawker Asks the DNC: Is Romney Ready for the Kill List

We can probably expect many more with ideas like Rimbaud to show up in the blogosphere looking for political insight. I would suggest patience and time to allow them to sort things out for themselves.

The Norma McCorvey Story .... Many people don't know that Norma McCorvey ( Jane Roe in Roe v. Wade ) has become a pro life activist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RO3Y6HdfnM&feature=related


In 1969, a pregnant 21 year old Norma McCorvey felt abortion was her only answer. He case was used to challenge the Texas abortion law and she eventually became the Jane Roe of the 1973 US Supreme Court decision, Roe v Wade. She never had an abortion, but instead became an icon in the national abortion debate. For 22 years, Norma McCorvey's life was a battlefield. She worked inside abortion clinics. She promoted legalized abortion. But she was tormented by what she saw and felt. In the summer of 1995, her life changed forever.

Through the friendship of a pro-life leader and a special invitation from a 7-year old child, Jane Roe finally died so Norma Leah McCorvey could live. This is her story.

[ex_nihilo]

I SEE IGNORANCE DAMAGING OUR FUTURE! I SEE DEPOPULATION DAMAGING ALL OF OUR FUTURE! I SEE LETTING THE SCUMBAGS WHO ARE ATTACKING ALL OF US AS DAMAGING OUR FUTURE!

Agreed.

This topic is just a fringe topic drawn out during every election to divert from what is really happening in America.

Agreed, the topic of abortion has been used to polarize the people. Divided we fall.

However, in order to solve the problem, we need future generations. For me, this topic is just as important as fiscal responsibility. Really it falls into the more broad category of fertility when you speak in terms of population (which was the subject), and that includes environmental factors such as GMOs, the awful american diet, and birth control and hormones and SSRIs in the water supply, and others.

I prefer to focus on THE REAL ISSUES FACING THE COUNTRY AND THAT ARE DESTROYING IT FROM WITHIN!

What I think or don't think on this issue is irrelevant because I see this as a distraction PLAIN AND SIMPLE!

Fair conclusion.

The person (has only 2 posts btw) who started this topic is a distraction and needs to learn outside her bubble of SINGLE ISSUES if she cares about her future and that of her family, if she has one!

 

THE GLOBALISTS ARE TAKING OVER YOUR COUNTRY. DO YOU CARE ABOUT THAT? OR DO YOU JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT ONE ISSUE WHEN IT WON'T SOLVE ANYTHING.

Is not abortion and the overarching goal of depopulation one of their methods that needs exposed? Our young need to be educated on the subject. By ignoring it it won't solve anything either. This could be the chance and situation to unlock a mind.

I SAY MOVE ON AND DEAL WITH THE REAL ISSUES OF THE TIME. IT MEANS LIFE OR DEATH TO YOUR COUNTRY,WHICH MEANS YOU ALSO! ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT WWIII BEING STARTED BASED ON LIES?
ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THE TAKEOVER OF ALL TOP POSITIONS IN AMERICA BY THUGS WHO ARE DESTROYING YOUR COUNTRY? ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE AT THE TOP BEING TOTALLY LAWLESS AND ABUSING THEIR POWER? ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT ROGUE PEOPLE IN YOUR GOVT GAVE NUCLEAR INFORMATION TO OTHER NATIONS WHO MIGHT USE THEM? ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THE CONSTITUTION IS BEING TRAMPLED BY PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY REPRESENT YOU, AS DIRECTED BY THEIR GLOBALIST MASTERS, AND YOU HAVE NO SAY? I COULD GO ON, BUT IF YOU DON'T GET THIS BY NOW, THERE IS NO HOPE FOR PEOPLE WHO DISCUSS SINGLE ISSUES!

GET REAL, PEOPLE! YOU ARE FOCUSED ON THE ENTIRELY WRONG THING IF YOU WANT TO SAVE YOUR COUNTRY!

Each battle is important. Just as each interaction.