We ARE Conspiracy Theorists, By Golly!! (Beef with Alex)

[geneftw]

I hear Alex do this often, and it bugs me:  He'll say something like, "...and they try to label me as a 'conspiracy theorist.' "  And he spits "conspiracy theorist" out like it's poison.  C’mon, Alex, wear the term PROUDLY!!  You ARE a conspiracy theorist!  The best!!

A conspiracy is an organized plan of action.  For our purpose, it refers to an organized plan of action to undermine our way of life, our sovereignty, …(Oh, so much stuff like that).  A theory is an idea based upon observation and data.  So, a conspiracy theorist is a person who, based upon observation and data,   proposes or follows the idea that there is an organized plan of action to … install a New World Order … etc.  A conspiracy theorist is a person with his/her eyes wide open and THINKS.  What would be the converse of a conspiracy theorist?  It would be a person who sits there blindly and accepts, without thought, whatever they’re told; a “sheeple.”

Alex, you should stand up and holler, “HELL YEAH, I’m a conspiracy theorist.  I THINK!!!”  InfoWArs, I believe, has the clout to remove the “kook” connotation from the term and make the term accepted as what it is: a person with a legitimate set of beliefs, whether or not those beliefs are held by all.  People don’t have to agree with a set of beliefs in order to recognize it as  having merit.

I’M A CONSPIRACY THEORIST AND PROUD OF IT.

Alex, wear the term proudly.  BOAST OF IT.  REPEATEDLY!  Make it a term that people don’t sneer at!

[Effie Trinket]

I hear Alex do this often, and it bugs me:  He'll say something like, "...and they try to label me as a 'conspiracy theorist.' "  And he spits "conspiracy theorist" out like it's poison.  C’mon, Alex, wear the term PROUDLY!!  You ARE a conspiracy theorist!  The best!!

A conspiracy is an organized plan of action.  For our purpose, it refers to an organized plan of action to undermine our way of life, our sovereignty, …(Oh, so much stuff like that).  A theory is an idea based upon observation and data.  So, a conspiracy theorist is a person who, based upon observation and data,   proposes or follows the idea that there is an organized plan of action to … install a New World Order … etc.  A conspiracy theorist is a person with his/her eyes wide open and THINKS.  What would be the converse of a conspiracy theorist?  It would be a person who sits there blindly and accepts, without thought, whatever they’re told; a “sheeple.”

Alex, you should stand up and holler, “HELL YEAH, I’m a conspiracy theorist.  I THINK!!!”  InfoWArs, I believe, has the clout to remove the “kook” connotation from the term and make the term accepted as what it is: a person with a legitimate set of beliefs, whether or not those beliefs are held by all.  People don’t have to agree with a set of beliefs in order to recognize it as  having merit.

I’M A CONSPIRACY THEORIST AND PROUD OF IT.

Alex, wear the term proudly.  BOAST OF IT.  REPEATEDLY!  Make it a term that people don’t sneer at!

"Make it a term that people don’t sneer at!"

^ Not possible.  The term is a federal tactic to tar and feather/discredit anyone who tells the truth.  It will always have a denigrating connotation because of how heavily it has been ingrained into society.

I like to use the phrase "what really happened".  Because that's all there is.  What really happened?

No homicide investigator thinks of themselves as a "conspiracy theorist", and yet, the exact methods of investigation and searching for evidence is no different than what any real false flag terror investigator engages in.  No person has any legitimate grounds to call anyone who can properly back up their statements with documented facts a "theorist" at all.  The agenda of people who use that term is to prevent other people who are not awake from ever taking them seriously enough to do their own research which would eventually lead them to the same irrefutable conclusions.  

[geneftw]

"The term is a federal tactic to tar and feather/discredit anyone who tells the truth."

EXACTLY, Effie!!
I was coming back to edit my post to point that out, then I see you brought it up.  Saying "conspiracy theorist" with a sneer is to attack the messenger rather than the message.  It's an intellectually dishonest ploy.  It's a weapon.  I believe, with some time & effort, that InfoWars could take the sneer out of the term, and make it one that has people saying, "Well, let's see what he has to say."

"No person has any legitimate grounds to call anyone who can properly back up their statements with documented facts a "theorist" at all."
I wholeheartedly disagree with that.  That sentence contains the definition of "theorist."

[geneftw]

(Hey, where did the "modify" button go?!)

"No homicide investigator thinks of themselves as a "conspiracy theorist", and yet, the exact methods of investigation and searching for evidence is no different..."

If Alex chooses to attack the sneer factor, he could use that analogy.

[Effie Trinket]

I wholeheartedly disagree with that.  That sentence contains the definition of "theorist."

Theories do not require evidence.  Theories also fly out the window once admissions enter into the equation.    

A pro-NWO shill would say that anyone who says that NATO and the U.S. govt supports Al-Qaeda is a "conspiracy theorist".  An example of a thread which is impossible to designate as a "conspiracy theory" on this exact topic is shown here:  
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=235541.0

[Modzilla_Kicker]

Texe Marrs likes to call himself a 'consipracy scientist', and proudly so.. He is proud of the fact that he uncovers conspiracies by, wait for it, jews and zionists and the rabis..

Latest installment of the conspiracy scientist's expose of judaic/talmudic/zionist plots to take over America and the world:

"The Caiaphas Complex"

http://remnantradio.org/Archives/audio/TM2012/Texe%20Marrs%20-%203412%20-%20The%20Caiaphas%20Complex.mp3

[MonkeyPuppet]

I've only heard Alex say this ("and they call ME a conspiracy theorist!") when he's discussing a topic/subject/event where the facts are overwhelmingly supportive of a conclusion in conflict with what the mainstream media is pushing.  I've never once gotten the impression he was using the phrase generally or in a disparaging way, but rather making light of how ironic it is with regard to that topic/subject/event.

But, since so many people these days would rather assume the worst about someone's intentions, I suppose I can see how others might take his comments that way.

[Geolibertarian]

I’M A CONSPIRACY THEORIST AND PROUD OF IT.

If you want to understand why others are not as eager to embrace that emotionally-loaded term as you are, read the following:

     http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=161407.0

[geneftw]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/theory
the·o·ry   [thee-uh-ree, theer-ee]  Show IPA
noun, plural the·o·ries.
1.
a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity. Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.


A theory has to be based on something, really.  Otherwise, it's just somebody flapping their jaw about what they made up in their own head.

Modzilla_Kicker:
I'm not sure what your point is, but I think I agree with you.  Are you saying that there are outlandished, almost baseless theories advanced by people with one agenda or 'nuther (including the possible agenda of didinfo)?  Yep.  Every cotroversial field has that problem.  (Ufolgy has more than its fair share.)  But once people begin listening to info, they learn to separate the wheat from the chaff.

MonkeyPuppet:
I do not question Alex's intentions.  I question his judgement on how he addresses the term.  I feel the term should be embraced because...

Geolibertarian:
(...because...)
Very good thread you sent me to!  I didn't read the whole thing, but here's something that caught my eye.  
(The phrase I underlined better pertains to this thread.)

"The purpose of this article is to redress a number of general myths concerning so-called 'conspiracy theories', repeated by media organisations and other self-proclaimed guardians of the orthodoxy, as well as people who have been erroneously convinced that conspiracy theories are intellectual aberrations rather than the acknowledgment of a common historical and social phenomenon.

This document does not claim that every event is the product of a conspiracy. It remains true, however, that conspiracies are far more common than admitted by the establishment. Whether conspiracy or coincidence was involved, we believe that the matter should be arbitrated by evidence rather than falsehoods on the alleged motives or state of minds of alternative researchers."

Innyway,  Back to that "because" thang:
This was in that thread, too:

" 'Conspiracy theory' is usually used as a pejorative label, meaning paranoid, nutty, marginal, and certainly untrue. The power of this pejorative is that it discounts a theory by attacking the motivations and mental competence of those who advocate the theory. By labeling an explanation of events 'conspiracy theory,' evidence and argument are dismissed because they come from a mentally or morally deficient personality, not because they have been shown to be incorrect. Calling an explanation of events 'conspiracy theory' means, in effect, 'We don't like you, and no one should listen to your explanation.'

--And that brings us back to a point I was trying to make earlier; that the term is an intellectually dishonest ploy that attempts to attack the messenger rather than the message.  My idea is to give the term more legitimacy, thereby taking the teeth out of the "sneer" ploy.

Off Topic:
Howdy, y'all!  I'm new, here.  I read the comments under the articles on the InfoWars page, and I wasn't sure what I'd find when I got here.  I'm very pleased to see that y'all can can talk about stuff in a civil manor!

[Effie Trinket]

" 'Conspiracy theory' is usually used as a pejorative label, meaning paranoid, nutty, marginal, and certainly untrue. The power of this pejorative is that it discounts a theory by attacking the motivations and mental competence of those who advocate the theory. By labeling an explanation of events 'conspiracy theory,' evidence and argument are dismissed because they come from a mentally or morally deficient personality, not because they have been shown to be incorrect. Calling an explanation of events 'conspiracy theory' means, in effect, 'We don't like you, and no one should listen to your explanation.'

--And that brings us back to a point I was trying to make earlier; that the term is an intellectually dishonest ploy that attempts to attack the messenger rather than the message.  My idea is to give the term more legitimacy, thereby taking the teeth out of the "sneer" ploy.

Ask yourself this question:

Why doesn't the mainstream media--CNN, Fox, MSNBC, ABC, CBS call THEIR OWN news reporting conspiracy theories?  The answer?  Because you're expected to believe that what they tell you is simply what happened, to accept it as factual.

[EvadingGrid]

I prefer "Realists"

[Satyagraha]

'Conspiracy theorist'
is the modern-day equivalent of 'Thought criminal'
from Orwell's novel 'Nineteen Eighty Four'.

Really, it's that simple. They applied that concept straight from Orwell's book onto modern society - and it serves them well. If Orwell were alive today, he would use that exact same term instead of 'Thought criminal'.

[pac522]

(Hey, where did the "modify" button go?!)

It's a conspiracy.





This is what Alex means when he says they call him a Conspiracy Theorist.

There are no conspiracies.

You take everything you got, separate the facts from everything else. Throw out what doesn't fit, take what you got left and come to a logical conclusion.

Of course this takes a good measure of critical thinking, which most fluoridated people aren't capable of any more. So they use terms that have been feed to them like pablum by the main stream media.

Calling someone a conspiracy theorist does multiple things. One it helps the public dismiss what they simply can't understand, in a herd mentality, high school locker room mentality. And it also helps separate the conspiracy theorist from the rest of society so they can be easily dealt with by the government.

The bright side is that there are a lot more of us fact seekers than they can imagine.

[Dopsneogeox]

We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he today that sheds his blood with me, Shall be my brother;Global Gulag

You are wrong . Think again over his remark.

[EvadingGrid]

You are wrong . Think again over his remark.

Pardon ?

What do you mean ?