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« on: August 13, 2012, 03:34:34 PM »
From www.moonmovie.com:

10. The Fake Lunar Module Footage. The Lunar Ascent Module footage depicts a rotation that immediately commences at full speed, and after rotation, immediately stops. There is absolutely no indication of a drop off in speed or a gradual acceleration, as Newton's law of motion would necessitate. In addition, there are problems with the descent of at least two LEMs as well, as can be seen to the left in the Apollo 17 footage. We've gotten a lot of feedback on this, but perhaps if you'd seen the mislabeled tape sent to Sibrel from NASA's Johnson Space Center, you'd move this reason closer to number 1. The contents of that tape are available - Apollo 11 Monkey Business: False Photography Unedited. You'd better watch it while sitting down. We have accumulated and produced over 250 YouTube videos that you can watch for free. We are convinced that our YouTube videos alone, put together with Jarrah White's YouTube videos will convince any honest person that Apollo did not take men to the moon.

9. The Means and the Motive. Does life imitate art, or art imitate life -- or is it possible that sometimes art simulates and manipulates life? Some have claimed that Stanley Kubrick was involved in the production of the Apollo EVAs. And not long ago, a Canadian, tongue-in-cheek film was produced to make a mockery of this claim. We hold no clear position on the matter. In addition, since the 1950's Walt Disney was recruited to create widespread public acceptance of a very expensive trip to the moon, as well as the public approval of a group of NAZI war criminals, led by Wernher von Braun. The result was widespread disinformation, but the end motive is not all together clear. One must ask, "Was the space race itself a fabrication, set up by those behind what Eisenhower called the "Military Industrial Complex"? See Reason 9.

Stanley Kubrick's 2001 A Space Odyssey proves that the technology existed to fake the dockings, landings, walks, and takeoffs from the moon's surface. The means existed. On that note, Google Search "Lookout Mountain Studio".

8. The Apollo One Fire. The three men who died at Pad 34 did not have to die. We all know that, but why did they die? After years of investigation into the findings of the 90th Congress, we believe that the AS-204 crew were not simply victims of neglect - they were executed. The findings are detailed in the multimedia DVD The Apollo One Accident Report, along with the complete 3,500+ page report for your own investigation. Lt. Col. Gus Grissom, a man of the highest military integrity, pulled the largest lemon he could find off the tree in his back yard, and told his wife, "I'm going to hang it on that spacecraft". This was 5 days after the famous media day pictures had been taken at Pad 34, and five days before he would die at Pad 34. Grissom also called a press conference to address grievances against NASA and North American regarding the failures of the CSM Block 1. There is no doubt that he, Robert Chaffee and Ed White [whose wife Pat was later 'suicided'] were on a path that would surely lead to heated confrontations and the public exposure of the manned moon landing hoax. They were sacrificed. There is no doubt about it. The evidence is clear.

7. The Testimony of Apollo Astronauts under Light Duress. These men were professionals, trained to perform calmly under extreme pressure, but when it comes to defending the most important days of their professional career, they fall way short of producing the facts - resorting to threats of violence, unscientific statements, and absconding behavior. For example, in the film Astronauts Gone Wild, while defending the Apollo 11 footage of the Earth from 130,000 miles out, Buzz Aldrin said things like, "They can do all kinds of things [with fake photography]" and "We're passengers. We're guys going on a flight."

6. Moon Rocks. Wernher von Braun, a NAZI with the honorary rank equivalent of a major in Hitler's SS, took a team to Antarctica, while he was supposed to be perfecting Apollo's Saturn V rocket. This man signed papers to permit the use of slave laborers to build his V2 rockets, and over 20,000 people suffered daily and eventually died under his supervision. In addition, he sent countless V2 rockets into the heart of London - with plans to do so to Washington, D.C., New York, and Philadelphia. If he and his NAZI team were capable of such inhuman activities, it is clearly not a leap in logic to say they would have no problem continuing their unethical practices in this country as well. How? By falsifying the greatest purported evidence we have today for the manned landings -- by collecting meteorites to be later modified in a ceramic lab -- into forged moon rocks. Some say, we have tiny moon-made spheres! But these could have just as easily been collected by the unmanned probes we sent to the moon's surface.

5. The Limitations of 1960's Computer Technology, small meteors, and the Van Allen Belts. Almost 40 years ago, with *combined CSM and LM guidance computer memory totaling only 10.3% [152kb] of a common 1.4MB [1474.56kb] floppy disk, NASA claims to have traveled 60,000% as far as any other manned spacecraft has gone before or since. Basically a household calculator (or discount watch) took 27 men [Apollo 8 to 17] to the moon and back, with the help of slide rules - accounting for fuel consumption, angle of approach, lunar landing, rate of descent, and so on. Yet at a distance of under 300 miles from Earth, we have lost the lives of 14 Shuttle astronauts who never left Earth orbit. In 9 trips there were no incidents involving small meteors. Yes, Space is a big place - but no injuries or damage except Apollo 13's apparent self-inflicted wound? Van Allen made it clear in his 1958-59 report that travelers to the moon would need go around the belts, approaching the moon by first departing through the space directly above the the north or south poles of the Earth. These limitations alone, make the trip to the moon a theory, and not a fact.

4. The Apollo 15 Flag Waving - Untouched. In order to explain this one, the Apollo Believers must keep you guessing by resorting to claims of a static discharge with the astronaut's distant space suit. View the video for yourself, and see why this video alone hits a lofty number 4 in our top 10.

3. The Lunar Surface Photographic and Video Record. Problems with lighting and the infamous C-Rock photo with it's "C-less" counterpart have been the subject of much debate between those who believe the photos have remained unaltered and others who believe the photos were completely staged. Still there are some photos that seem to fall into the retouched category. Countless photographic anomalies remain in question. There is no doubt that the more significant problem with the C-Rock photo is that it has obviously been altered, and the alteration we refer to has nothing to do with the rock, but the more serious problem is the cut and paste of the rover and astronaut. Also, few people notice the C on the ground, telling the set workers where to place the rock. It's there on the ground, directly below the C on the rock.

We do not focus on shadows, except for a few photos. This is because the photos focused on by some have become straw men, easily debunked. One such famous example is shown on the video above. We believe that the high-powered, fake sun reflected in the astronauts visors as a large circular object is a far stronger argument - and one that cannot be easily dismissed.

2. The Precedent of Secret U.S. Government Operations. Japanese submarines at the mouth of Pearl Harbor were sunk many hours before the 'surprise' attacks commenced. The corrupt CIA and NSA were formed on the principal of insuring U.S. economic interests around the world and at home -- at any price. John F. Kennedy, who had plans to unite the space exploration efforts of the Soviet Union with those of the United States -- and thereby end both the Space Race and Arms Race, never lived to see that day. On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel, under the direct orders of LBJ. The Gulf of Tonkin Incident was also a staged event, meant to insure expanded involvement in Vietnam. Area 51 continues to be one of the most heavily protected U.S. installations known today, guarding who-knows-exactly-what.

Yes, covert operations have a prominent place in the U.S.A.'s recent sordid history. And although this reason in and of itself is not enough to prove the Manned Moon Landing to be a hoax, it certainly shows that the organizations are in place to carry out such an operation - 9 fake trips to the moon.

1. The 130,000 Mile Deception. Apollo 11. July 18th, 1969. Neil Armstrong, having heard CapCom report Columbia's distance from the Earth at 130,000 miles out - begins the unofficial television transmission [to be edited and partially played later] by echoing the same distance of 130,000 miles. In view, out the Commander's Capsule window is a small ball of blue. We are meant to believe that the blue ball is Earth. It is not. This evidence is our top reason. There can be no doubt. The Apollo 11 Westinghouse camera was not zooming through deep space to see a distant Earth and zooming back out again through deep space. When truly understood, when one understands that the Earth could not have remained in view or suddenly appeared as large as when they zoomed into it - this proves the hoax. This is the 'smoking gun' of Apollo, and the top reason to not believe the official story. Raw footage of this is available on the DVD Apollo 11 Monkey Business with detailed explanations in A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, and confrontations about it with 9 of the Apollo astronauts in Astronauts Gone Wild. Behind Michael Collins, hanging on Window Number 1 [the commander's CM window] is a transparency - used when they brought down the lights and adjusted the camera exposure. The transparency was a picture of the planet Earth.
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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2012, 03:16:25 PM »
Moon Dust, Rocket Engines, and NASA
 
by Morgan Reynolds

At 12:31 a.m. central time August 6 NASA will bless us with its latest extravaganza, a multi-billion-dollar, decade-long effort to launch a six-wheel rover dubbed ‘Curiosity’ on the red planet 154 million miles from home. Reading the newspaper one morning, I was amused to learn about the Rube Goldberg "braking" system invented to control landing on Mars. A huge parachute is supposed to slow the craft despite an atmosphere only one percent of the earth’s, followed by freefall, then eight rocket engines ignite and lurch the craft out of the path of the trailing parachute somehow previously jettisoned, followed by a second freefall episode beginning at 66 feet altitude followed by a ‘sky crane’ lowering the rover as it unfurls its wheels, capped off by pyrotechnic charges that send blades to cut the nylon tethers. Oh my.

The rationale for this dubious landing system? "In theory, the rockets could provide a gentle enough landing to finish the job. But in practice, they would kick up such a dust storm that it could ruin the rover." Ah yes, I agree the inevitable dust storm would be a big problem. Engineers must design around that. But why wasn’t a dust storm a formidable problem on July 20, 1969, the occasion of man’s "greatest technological achievement," landing a man on the moon and returning him safely via Apollo 11? The moon is plenty dusty too.

Dust, or lack of same, is one of many puzzles about the Apollo missions NASA showed us over four decades ago: how the heck could there be no surface disturbance below the lunar module (LM), no crater blown out by the LM’s rocket engine? All six moon landings NASA "conducted" (Apollo 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17) showed the same ‘no hole’ below the LM. No disturbance whatever (notice no stars in the background too?). If we trust the NASA-generated "real time" broadcast, Neil Armstrong called the surface "fine and powdery" and continued: "Okay. The descent engine did not leave a crater of any size. It has about one foot clearance on the ground. We’re essentially on a very level place here."


Click on image to enlarge. Source: NASA


How fortunate. And impossible, well, impossible if the landing was real. There was no dust on the LM support legs or leg pads either and no sign the engine nacelle or ground below it was burned, singed or melted. How could that happen? A 10,000 lb. thrust engine, even if throttled back to 3,000 lb. must blow out a crater, down to bedrock for heaven’s sake, making a landing treacherous because of virtually zero visibility and unknown terrain exposed. The motor would generate heat of 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit and even if throttled back to, say, 3,000 d.F., only 1,300-2,400 d.F. is required to melt and fuse rock. None of what we expect happened.

Despite a rocket descent engine allegedly working hard a few feet below Armstrong and Aldrin, incredibly, and I do mean incredibly, Apollo 11’s moon landing was remarkably quiet beneath the voices of astronauts and Houston control. It should have been loud as all-get-out, around 140 dB. The engine displayed admirable noise-vibration-harshness properties too, setting off no shake, rattle and roll aboard the flimsy craft, no heat problem, in fact, no problems of any kind. Oddly, Armstrong did not hover like a helicopter pilot does during landing, despite the difficulty of controlling an LM in a vacuum versus earth atmosphere. It was the first time anyone had landed a LM yet reverse thrust control went flawlessly, like everything else with Apollo. By contrast, Armstrong was nearly killed when he could not control the LM simulator on earth in May 1968 but for a timely ejection.

Abundant evidence proves NASA never pulled off the moon landings back in the slide-rule days of the 1960s. The biggest obstacle remains the lethal radiation unprotected astronauts must encounter above low earth orbit from three sources: the Van Allen radiation belts, galactic cosmic rays, and solar particle events, aka sun flares. Radiation makes manned deep space travel impossible to this day. Dr. James Van Allen, credited with discovery of the radiation belts, knew it full well and in 1970 courageously supported U.S. Senator William Proxmire (D, WI) and three other Senators in their attempt to eliminate NASA’s manned space flight program.1

Neil Armstrong could have said, "One small step for man, one giant leap of faith for mankind," injecting a note of honesty into this governmental swindle. The moon fraud will bite the dust eventually, of that there is no doubt, if only because it failed to sprinkle enough moon dust out from under the Lunar Module as well as into our eyes.
 Mary Bennett and David S. Percy, Dark Moon: Apollo and the Whistle Blowers, 1999, pp. 310-11.

http://lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds23.1.html

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http://www.lewrockwell.com/spl/faked-moon-landings.html
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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2012, 11:41:22 PM »
Hello,

Is that the Russians were idiots?
The U.S. had spies in the Soviet Union and Soviet Union had spies in the U.S.
If it was a fake .. Russians would have known and would not fail to make the world know .. what a buzz (Aldrin ? lol)
Armstrong just made his last trip to space (and it should not be concerned for the return RIP) ...
Apparently he did not leave behind him a statement revealing this conspiracy ...
Any comment from a former USSR spy is welcome  ::)
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2012, 09:50:23 AM »
Hello,

Is that the Russians were idiots?
The U.S. had spies in the Soviet Union and Soviet Union had spies in the U.S.
If it was a fake .. Russians would have known and would not fail to make the world know .. what a buzz (Aldrin ? lol)
Armstrong just made his last trip to space (and it should not be concerned for the return RIP) ...
Apparently he did not leave behind him a statement revealing this conspiracy ...
Any comment from a former USSR spy is welcome  ::)

I'm not a spy, but I'm quite a guy.  :D

Your Russian supposition is just that. Where is your evidence they "would" have known, or would have disclosed it? In fact, if there was a real space race to the moon going on between the two countries, how come only one country was racing? Where are the manned Russian moon landings, hmmm? If the Soviet space program thus was largely non-existent or 'fake,' why did our spies "fail to make the world know" etc? More counter-supposition: The "Russia would have snitched" argument is based on the presumption that the technological rivalry between it and the US was genuine. What if it wasn't? What if the arms race was largely as phony as the space race?

On a forum like this, that challenges cover-ups, you would think the possibility that the US/USSR fabricated much of the space race together would at least be entertained. Neil Armstrong died with many secrets (I also wonder about his tight lipped indications concerning evidence of water and other resources on the moon, UFOs, etc). Let's have comments, yes, but on the merits of the fake moon position (sloppy faked photos, lack of dust impact, the three radiation barriers, etc) that involve direct evidence or primary facts, instead of chasing secondary suppositions.
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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2012, 10:19:24 AM »
Nice; NASA is a NWO op, what a circus!
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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2012, 01:36:04 PM »
I'm not a spy, but I'm quite a guy.  :D

Seconded  ;D

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« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2012, 02:09:00 PM »
Nice; NASA is a NWO op, what a circus!

No, I suggested much of the 'space race' is myth, not that NASA is an op. I answered supposition with supposition.
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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2012, 11:59:19 AM »
BUMP.
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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2012, 01:33:12 PM »
the evidence really stacks up against them

i hope they didnt fake it

but ive got to admit, i think those freemasons did

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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2013, 07:15:22 AM »
when are Nasa going to Mars then

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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2013, 09:56:45 AM »
when are Nasa going to Mars then

Never ever!!!!!
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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2013, 12:47:25 PM »
It wouldn't be totally out of character for the Russians not to report what they knew to the powerless 99%.
Take precedents from history, such as the "Warsaw Uprising" or the secret "Treaty of Constantinople".
Why is "the bear" so slow to meddle, intervene, or to pounce on a winning move?
And I don't mean to say that the Bolsheviks were less Christian or humanitarian (there must be examples from other time periods).
Their principle is:  you don't touch hot chemicals while there's a reaction going on, you wait for things to simmer down in the crucible.
In other words, it's not unusual for the Russians to avoid getting involved in lies and deceits which can work themselves out.   
Their thinking may be more Eastern and less aggressive or confrontational than what Westerners expect.
Is it so strange to think that if you just observe and let things play out naturally, then eventually truth will prevail and we will have a better world?

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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2013, 05:19:25 AM »
Remember when Buzz Aldrin was a guest on the Alex Jones Show? AJ asked him what were the masonic influences on NASA, to which he replied, "Zero"... And yet, it is admitted that Buzz Aldrin is a Freemason himself...
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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2013, 06:02:46 AM »
Remember when Buzz Aldrin was a guest on the Alex Jones Show? AJ asked him what were the masonic influences on NASA, to which he replied, "Zero"... And yet, it is admitted that Buzz Aldrin is a Freemason himself...
Case closed:
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« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2013, 06:23:45 AM »
i wonder whether they faked it

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« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2013, 10:14:32 AM »
i wonder whether they faked it

Have you ever seen a resent picture of the module and flag on the moon in the last 40 years
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« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2013, 09:12:23 AM »
Apollo Zero:
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=1A37BDA727F41C9C

Awesome, Thank you thank you thank you....... if everyone would start questioning the assumptions they have been told they would realize that all that they have be told is a hoax, nothing you believe about the suppose solar system is true, from Galileo to Darwin! 
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« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2013, 09:26:37 AM »
I thought maybe Christopher Columbus didnt discover America either.

I read his book once and it was full of fanciful statements if i remember rightly.

Maybe he just sailed round and round the Canaries

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« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2013, 09:35:18 AM »
For incredible claims you need credible evidence.

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« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2013, 09:39:58 AM »
For incredible claims you need credible evidence.

And if we will be honest about it pretty much everything we where told has been founded in assumptions.
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« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2013, 09:43:27 AM »
The original recordings of the first humans landing on the moon 40 years ago were erased and re-used NASA officials said on Thursday.

NASA admitted in 2006 that no one could find the original video recordings of the July 20, 1969, landing.

Since then, Richard Nafzger, an engineer at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland, who oversaw television processing at the ground-tracking sites during the Apollo 11 mission, has been looking for them.

The good news is he found where they went. The bad news is they were part of a batch of 200,000 tapes that were degaussed -- magnetically erased -- and re-used to save money.


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« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2013, 09:51:59 AM »
The original recordings of the first humans landing on the moon 40 years ago were erased and re-used NASA officials said on Thursday.

NASA admitted in 2006 that no one could find the original video recordings of the July 20, 1969, landing.

Since then, Richard Nafzger, an engineer at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland, who oversaw television processing at the ground-tracking sites during the Apollo 11 mission, has been looking for them.

The good news is he found where they went. The bad news is they were part of a batch of 200,000 tapes that were degaussed -- magnetically erased -- and re-used to save money.


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LOL, yea, LOL
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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2013, 10:20:32 AM »
From www.moonmovie.com:


6. Moon Rocks. Wernher von Braun, a NAZI with the honorary rank equivalent of a major in Hitler's SS, took a team to Antarctica, while he was supposed to be perfecting Apollo's Saturn V rocket. This man signed papers to permit the use of slave laborers to build his V2 rockets, and over 20,000 people suffered daily and eventually died under his supervision. In addition, he sent countless V2 rockets into the heart of London - with plans to do so to Washington, D.C., New York, and Philadelphia.

Countless? Let's be specific because once you set up a base line standard of 'without number' inferring no evidence to the contrary, you may then presume you can go ahead and speculate wildly in front of an audience on other 'non specific' matters, an audience who'd probably accept that we're half-silicon, half-germanium, if YOU told them so ... And so; - here's the specifics.

Well I don't know about how evil Dr Kubrick was, when he made the fake Moon landing videos (sic & co) and don't feel at all ready to reply to such 'firm assertions'. Yet as one who rebuilt the LUFTWAFFE BOMB DAMAGED attic area of a London Georgian House at 17, Grantham rd, Stockwell SW19, in ~1981( I have a photo from 2007 somewhere but can't be asked) I can then, I believe quote with some 'respect-due' from Churchill's 1953 "The 2nd World-War" - Volume VI. pp 46/7

"On September 8, a week after the main V1 (doodlebugs) bombardment ceased, the Germans launched their first two (V2) rockets against London. The first V2 fell at Chiswick at seventeen minutes to seven the evening, the other at Epping sixteen seconds later. About 1300 * were fired against England in the seven months before our armies could liberate the Hague (from when they were fired LESS THAN 30Miles away, across the English Channel) whence the rockets were launched. Many fell short but about five hundred hit London . The total casualties caused by the V2 in England were 2724 killed and 6476 seriously injured. On the average each rocket caused about twice as much damage as a flying bomb ('doodlebug' - V1)

*The German records show that 1,190 rockets were successfully launched against London, out of 1,359 attempts.


Again American 'Terror Alert' mentality is displayed, to attract and divert attention, here and now, since there were no plans to launch rockets against America 3000+ Miles away. The Nazi's did not possess such technology and according to Churchill's post-war memoirs and account of the events, most if not all the subsequent MEGA-weapon developments, trials and failures were just that. Abortions and failures.

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« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2013, 10:25:13 AM »
They must find if difficult….. Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority.
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« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2013, 10:34:59 AM »
They must find if difficult….. Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority.
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My point(s) exactly. Churchill's figures are most likely THE TRUTH,  rather than conclusions we might come to, in the bigger picture, based on phrases like ... "Countless, & 20,000 a day". Extrapolate out your 'scientific method' and what do you get? You could get, for instance: We never even went to the Moon, we holidayed in a Winnebago, and left the King of England and Stanley Kubrick to film it, and this massive act of deception was concluded in Pinewood Studios of London.

You should maybe take this latter version out for a spin on the Internest sometime?

Check out 'Project Diana'. Then you'll see how far the human race came between 1946 and the first 'alleged now?' moon landings!
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Project Diana was an experimental project of the US Army Signal Corps in 1946 to bounce radio signals off the moon and receive the reflected signals. This was the first experiment in radar astronomy and the first attempt to actively probe another celestial body.

Project Diana marked the birth of the US space program, as well as that of radar astronomy. It was the first demonstration that artificially-created signals could penetrate the ionosphere, opening the possibility of radio communications beyond the earth for space probes and human explorers.

Very interesting, but i dont see the significance

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« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2013, 12:00:28 PM »
The original recordings of the first humans landing on the moon 40 years ago were erased and re-used NASA officials said on Thursday.

NASA admitted in 2006 that no one could find the original video recordings of the July 20, 1969, landing.

Since then, Richard Nafzger, an engineer at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland, who oversaw television processing at the ground-tracking sites during the Apollo 11 mission, has been looking for them.

The good news is he found where they went. The bad news is they were part of a batch of 200,000 tapes that were degaussed -- magnetically erased -- and re-used to save money.


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And what I remember some crazy Viking named Leif Ericson landed in North America some 500 years before Columbus, and even established a settlement.
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Re: New Moon landing thread (the old one was locked)
« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2013, 12:41:09 PM »
Anyone see film CAPRICORN ONE?

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Re: New Moon landing thread (the old one was locked)
« Reply #31 on: September 11, 2014, 06:42:35 AM »
For incredible claims you need credible evidence.
Like having been to the Moon...?
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Re: New Moon landing thread (the old one was locked)
« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2015, 06:57:36 AM »
Like having been to the Moon...?

Like explaining how we got stuff like those reflectors on the moon if did not visit the moon.

Seriously, faking the TV feed and doctoring a few photos is not the same thing as "did we or did we not visit the moon". I think controlling the publicity is one thing, and the actual visit another thing.

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Re: New Moon landing thread (the old one was locked)
« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2015, 11:25:51 AM »
There were unmanned flights that circled the moon prior to the supposed manned ones. reflectors, flags and other insignia could have been left on the moon when the orbiter eventually landed or crashed. Hmm, where is the independent (non-government controlled) remote imagery to verify the visibility of the flag etc?

Or it is possible that the initial 'manned' moon missions were faked because the technical problems weren't resolved, but were resolved by the time of Apollo 16 /17, and it was the latter real missions that left the flag and other debris. I doubt this latter idea, since there is no indication whatsoever in the last four plus decades that the moon dust and triple radiation problems were ever fixed.

Explaining the reflectors, IAW, is actually simpler than explaining the absence of a technical solution to the problems above. The flag is a secondary issue, while the logistical hurdles and plainly faked photos are primary evidence that the landings were faked. By Occam's Razor, the faked landing view remains the simplest explanation.
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Re: New Moon landing thread (the old one was locked)
« Reply #34 on: January 21, 2015, 10:10:38 AM »
Hello All,

A spirited conversation, I'd like to throw my 2 cents into the ring.  First off, it is my position that the entire "Space Race" of the 1960's was nothing but propaganda by the U.S. and USSR for many reasons.  I do not believe it is possible even with 2015 technology to get a human anywhere near the moon for several reasons.

1- It has been suggested by many that if the moon landings were faked, the USSR would have challenged and exposed them as such.  However, what these people are not taking into consideration is the fact that the USSR had just as much to lose if the US was exposed.  At the time, JFK and the US had conceded that the USSR had put the first man into space (Yuri Gagarin) which if you look into at all was obviously fake for a litany of reasons (he did not re-enter in his space craft but parachuted in by himself which would be incredibly dangerous and impossible to survive - ejecting from an incoming spacecraft in mid re-entry).  If the USSR tried to shred the US's credibility, then they would get exposed for their BS as well and lose all credibility with their citizenry.

2- JFK was desperate to be President when the Apollo Missions were successful for the public accolade, evidenced by the passionate and large amount of speeches he gave devoted to winning the "space race".  I believe the entire "Bay of Pigs" fiasco was an orchestrated event.  It isn't discussed much, but Castro had a ton of demands that JFK capitulated to for no reason after the failed invasion.  I believe these demands were met because a back deal had been struck with the USSR to give credibility to the Apollo missions in return for the failed Bay of Pigs attack and then acquiescing to Castro's demands.   

3- The technological computing ability in the 1960's was equivalent to a small calculator today.  They were still using slide rules for Pete's sake!  No way we had the technological ability to make it to the moon and back.

4- The Van Allen radiation belt would of fried the astronauts, case closed.

5- I live in FL and went to Kennedy Space Center and saw the actual LEM supposedly used to land on the moon and it is a complete joke.  As a child I could of barely (maybe) fit inside it, yet multiple grown men in full space suits crammed inside there? No way they could fit them, life supplies and moon rocks, it's just not physically possible.  How did they take a dump?  It's impossible.

6- The LEM and it's rocket fired propulsion system never once worked in any test scenario and usually it just blew up.

I could go on and on but I believe the propaganda was so powerful and effective and world wide that the moon landings will forever be believed as legitimate by most people.

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Re: New Moon landing thread (the old one was locked)
« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2015, 12:23:15 PM »
Like explaining how we got stuff like those reflectors on the moon if did not visit the moon.

The soviets did all sorts of things with the moon yet they never claimed to have sent humans there.

There is equipment on Mars yet nobody has claimed to have walked on it.

The serious issue with Moon Landing denial is - how do we prove, without doubt, that human beings have walked on the moon. Evidence of other things such as flags, rocks or reflectors seems unlikely to do it.

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Re: New Moon landing thread (the old one was locked)
« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2015, 07:55:51 PM »
St. Augustine: “The truth is like a lion; you don't have to defend it.
Let it loose; it will defend itself."

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Re: New Moon landing thread (the old one was locked)
« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2015, 09:03:23 PM »
Hello All,

A spirited conversation, I'd like to throw my 2 cents into the ring.  First off, it is my position that the entire "Space Race" of the 1960's was nothing but propaganda by the U.S. and USSR for many reasons.  I do not believe it is possible even with 2015 technology to get a human anywhere near the moon for several reasons.

1- It has been suggested by many that if the moon landings were faked, the USSR would have challenged and exposed them as such.  However, what these people are not taking into consideration is the fact that the USSR had just as much to lose if the US was exposed.  At the time, JFK and the US had conceded that the USSR had put the first man into space (Yuri Gagarin) which if you look into at all was obviously fake for a litany of reasons (he did not re-enter in his space craft but parachuted in by himself which would be incredibly dangerous and impossible to survive - ejecting from an incoming spacecraft in mid re-entry).  If the USSR tried to shred the US's credibility, then they would get exposed for their BS as well and lose all credibility with their citizenry.

2- JFK was desperate to be President when the Apollo Missions were successful for the public accolade, evidenced by the passionate and large amount of speeches he gave devoted to winning the "space race".  I believe the entire "Bay of Pigs" fiasco was an orchestrated event.  It isn't discussed much, but Castro had a ton of demands that JFK capitulated to for no reason after the failed invasion.  I believe these demands were met because a back deal had been struck with the USSR to give credibility to the Apollo missions in return for the failed Bay of Pigs attack and then acquiescing to Castro's demands.   

3- The technological computing ability in the 1960's was equivalent to a small calculator today.  They were still using slide rules for Pete's sake!  No way we had the technological ability to make it to the moon and back.

4- The Van Allen radiation belt would of fried the astronauts, case closed.

5- I live in FL and went to Kennedy Space Center and saw the actual LEM supposedly used to land on the moon and it is a complete joke.  As a child I could of barely (maybe) fit inside it, yet multiple grown men in full space suits crammed inside there? No way they could fit them, life supplies and moon rocks, it's just not physically possible.  How did they take a dump?  It's impossible.

6- The LEM and it's rocket fired propulsion system never once worked in any test scenario and usually it just blew up.

I could go on and on but I believe the propaganda was so powerful and effective and world wide that the moon landings will forever be believed as legitimate by most people.

You could undoubtedly go on and on and on; everything about space we have been told is a giant hoax and the bunker of deception is so thick that unless you believe God's word substance and evidence in conjunction with the evidence that physical real science shows, people will stay in their deception.
This is one of my biggest contention with Alex, and I love Alex Jones and all good he has done, but he is deceived in this area of what he believes. Sorry about that but I will still support his sincere desire to exposé the truth about those that are destroying the earth.
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Re: New Moon landing thread (the old one was locked)
« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2015, 10:42:17 AM »
The soviets did all sorts of things with the moon yet they never claimed to have sent humans there.

There is equipment on Mars yet nobody has claimed to have walked on it.

The serious issue with Moon Landing denial is - how do we prove, without doubt, that human beings have walked on the moon. Evidence of other things such as flags, rocks or reflectors seems unlikely to do it.

There's a reasonable way to finally settle the issue. Namely, BUILD A MANNED MOON STATION up there, one ideally situated that it could be seen from space using average equipment, and send some civilians up there and back.

Come on, if the "we went there" side is so certain they are correct, and the radiation problems were resolved, and that there are valuable resources needing to be explored, etc, why haven't we been back there in 40 years, to do anything else with moon exploration?  Hmmmm?

We have companies that build pre-manufactured housing with ease on earth---how difficult would it be to adapt that concept to shipping the modular parts to the same spot on the moon in multiple unnmanned flights, then send the manned mission to assemble the station? Why wouldn't this have been attempted, unless, it's not possible to survive the trip?
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Re: New Moon landing thread (the old one was locked)
« Reply #39 on: January 23, 2015, 12:19:24 PM »
Thing is it is just one big rock.
Its 'dead'

Now the really interesting relevant stuff we already knew, namely the pull it exerts on the ocean giving us tides.

Why are people so passionate about this ?
What difference does it make ?

Have we not got real issues of real importance to discuss ?