Author Topic: Question: Where Does Ron Paul Actually Stand On The 2012 NDAA?  (Read 8039 times)

Offline Black_Sunlite

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What does he say about it and, more importantly, how did he vote on it?  The reason I ask is because I heard from some that he actually voted for it then saw a list where it appears he did.  So I just want some detailed clarification.

Plus, can I get some links to videos where he made comments about his position on it too?
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Re: Question: Where Does Ron Paul Actually Stand On The 2012 NDAA?
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2012, 09:46:01 pm »

First of all, he voted no back in May 2011 at its introduction... http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2011/h375

Video of Ron discussing Section 1021...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho2q-HyY6Z0

Here's Ron on the House floor on January 18, 2012, introducing a repeal of Section 1021 (re: Executive authority to indefinitely detain U.S. citizens)...
http://www.dailypaul.com/205623/ron-paul-ndaa-floor-speech-jan-18-2012

Final vote before the President signed it where Ron did not vote...
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll932.xml

Why didn't he vote?  Who knows, but more importantly, who cares!  Knowing this legislation, with minimal massaging, would pass both houses and get the President's signature would have made the minority in the House voting no quite futile.  Instead, he concentrated on discussing the subject publicly.  Keep in mind that before 2011, the average American had never heard of the NDAA... even though it is voted on every year.

Here's Ron discussing the initial passage of the 2013 NDAA in May 2012...
http://www.ronpaul.com/2012-05-24/ron-paul-ndaa-tyranny-continues/

Just use any search engine and you can find a mountain of additional articles, videos and related material.


Anyone claiming that Ron Paul is for the anti-liberty sections of the NDAA is a complete moron.

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Re: Question: Where Does Ron Paul Actually Stand On The 2012 NDAA?
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2012, 05:06:42 am »
a non vote is a yes vote in my opinion. these politicians have 1 job to do, and that is to vote. there is no reason what soever to have a non vote. every politician should be fired for non votes, if i went to work and didn't do my job, id be fired.
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Re: Question: Where Does Ron Paul Actually Stand On The 2012 NDAA?
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2012, 05:46:54 am »

a non vote is a yes vote in my opinion. these politicians have 1 job to do, and that is to vote. there is no reason what soever to have a non vote. every politician should be fired for non votes, if i went to work and didn't do my job, id be fired.


There are a few good reasons, but I understand the sentiment.

I think that really depends on the particular representative's constituents' opinion on the matter more than anything else.  Also, it could depend on if it was a scheduled vote and how advanced the notice of the vote is.  He was in New Hampshire that week.  Perhaps with a week's notice, his schedule could have been changed, but we wouldn't know the details unless we asked.

Or we could just speculate and accuse him of all sorts of nasty shit ad nauseam.

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Re: Question: Where Does Ron Paul Actually Stand On The 2012 NDAA?
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2013, 12:13:36 pm »
a non vote is a yes vote in my opinion. these politicians have 1 job to do, and that is to vote. there is no reason what soever to have a non vote. every politician should be fired for non votes, if i went to work and didn't do my job, id be fired.
^ He do have a damn-good point even though your retort has validity as well.

Anyway, MonkeyPuppet, thanks for the info and the links.
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Re: Question: Where Does Ron Paul Actually Stand On The 2012 NDAA?
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2013, 12:36:04 pm »
a non vote is a yes vote in my opinion. these politicians have 1 job to do, and that is to vote. there is no reason what soever to have a non vote. every politician should be fired for non votes, if i went to work and didn't do my job, id be fired.

Hum! Wasn't he running for President then? I believe he wasn't in Washington much of that time, since he was on the campaign trail. One valid reason!

I know he doesn't agree with the NDAA. He has spoken out against it numerous times.

Don't believe me. Look it up yourself!

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Re: Question: Where Does Ron Paul Actually Stand On The 2012 NDAA?
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2013, 12:43:16 pm »
What does he say about it and, more importantly, how did he vote on it?  The reason I ask is because I heard from some that he actually voted for it then saw a list where it appears he did.  So I just want some detailed clarification.

Plus, can I get some links to videos where he made comments about his position on it too?

Could you do some research and present some proof for your question? You sound like you think what you say is TRUE, but show nothing to back that up. If you make a statement here, please back it up with some source. This is how rumors get started and lies are propagated. If that's not your intention, please back up your statements here. Have any links, research, anything?

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For example, here's my research on the matter:

Ron Paul on the NDAA:
http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=9886
http://paul.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1936:the-ndaa-repeals-more-rights&catid=62:texas-straight-talk&Itemid=69

Ron Paul: The NDAA Codifies Obama's Power Grab
http://youtu.be/xm19GQKNWeM

http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-defense-bill-establishes-martial-law-in-america/
Don't believe me. Look it up yourself!

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