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« on: June 27, 2012, 08:18:08 AM »

Two articles on Yahoo news letting all the good little sheep know that not only is being smart overrated, it can hurt your chance at getting a job. If this is a blatant sign of their plans to turn (what's left of us after the great culling) into a sub-intelligent worker drone (backed up by a few cherry-picked "scientist drones" who are just smart enough to advance existing theories and tech but lack any wisdom to be inventive with new ideas) then I don't know what is.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/intelligence-is-overrated--what-you-really-need-to-succeed.html

http://career-services.monster.com/yahooarticle/stupid-job-search-mistakes#WT.mc_n=yta_fpt_article_stupid_job_search_mistakes

But yeah... it just sickens me that employers now have so much sway they can be this open about wanting only drones just smart enough to do their tasks. Perfect way to get rid of the smarts ones that wont fit in line, starve them out of the gene pool. Of course if you want to go into business for your self these days you better have a decent bucket of cash, a lawyer and the patients to deal with all the red tape, tax "laws", codes and licenses you need in order for the state to let you make money. That sickens me even more, all the sheep think that we're free when we need to ask mommy may I to our overlords for permission to make money and then let them take their "fair share" of every penny we make all the while they force you to operate under almost impossible to for full regulations that are pretty much designed to let only those who pay even more under the table survive.[/rant]
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« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2012, 10:43:05 AM »

I worked in Tech Support for a major cell phone company.  I was routinely chastised for "thinking too much".  I was actually told on numerous occasions that I needed to "just go dumb" when providing tech support and follow the canned troubleshooting instructions - even when they didn't make sense.

Thinking outside the box was not only not encouraged, it was actively DISCOURAGED.
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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2012, 10:56:34 AM »

 ;DHey, hasn't anyone noticed who gets the promotions now days?? Dumb & Dumber are running things now, in the corporations, the cities, the counties, the states, and especially, the good ol' Washington, DC barrel of monkeys...sorry, I mean, "distingushed government officials" HA!HA!HA!.

I can't get a job in a city of less than 1/4 million people, of which, over 40,000 are "officially" unemployed, because the places hiring give

1. "psych" tests, which basically ask the same 10 questions over & over, just reword them (Do you like to work independently, or in a group? Does working in a group of people who have different backgrounds make you uncomfortable? blah, blah, blah), or

2. Have the applicant answer questions about whether they have been on food stamps or in jail within the past 18 months. Since I haven't been either, I, who has an Associates Degree, gets aced out of a customer service job by welfare using ex-cons.
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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2012, 11:15:54 AM »

Next they'll be teaching this in the schools and universities.  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2012, 11:18:55 AM »

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George Carlin on education and the "real owners" of America

But if you talk to one of them about this -- if you isolate them, sit 'em down, rationally, and you talk to 'em about the low IQs and the dumb behaviour and the bad decisions -- right away they start talking about education. That's the big answer to everything: education. They say we need more money for education. We need more books, more teachers, more classrooms, more schools; we need more testing for the kids.

And you say to them, "Well, you know we've tried all of that, and the kids still can't pass the tests." And they say, "Ah, don't you worry about that, because we're going to lower the passing grades." And that's what they do in a lot of these schools, now, they lower the passing grades so more kids can pass -- more kids pass, the school looks good, everybody's happy, the IQ of the country slips another 2 or 3 points, and pretty soon all you'll need to get into college is a f**kin' pencil. Got a pencil? Get the f**k in there, it's physics.

Then everyone wonders why 17 other countries graduate more scientists than we do. "Education" -- politicians know that word, they use it on you. Politicians have traditionally hidden behind 3 things: the flag, the bible, and children -- "no child left behind; no child left behind." Oh, really? It wasn't too long ago you were talking about giving children a "head start." Head start? Left behind? Someone's losing f**king ground here.

But there's a reason...There's a reason for this. There's a reason education sucks, and it's the same reason it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It's never gonna get any better, don't look for it, be happy with whatcha got.

Because the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talkin about the real owners now: the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians; they're irrelevant. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They've long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the statehouses, the city halls; they've got the judges in their back pockets; and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They've got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying...to get what they want. Well we know what they want: they want more for themselves and less for everybody else.
  
But I'll tell you what they don't want. They don't want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don't want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They're not interested in that. That doesn't help them. That's against their interests. That's right. You know something? They don't want people who are smart enough to sit around the kitchen table and figure out how badly they're getting f**ked by a system that threw them overboard 30 f**kin' years ago. They don't want that.
  
You know what they want? They want obedient workers, obedient workers -- people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly sh*ttier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it. And now, they're comin' for your Social Security money. They want your f**kin' retirement money. They want it back, so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know somethin'? They'll get it. They'll get it all from ya sooner or later, because they own this f**kin' place. It's a big club, and you ain't in it. You and I are not in the big club.

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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2012, 11:56:24 AM »

George Carlin spoke the truth, although I cannot believe he wasn't censored by the PTB. It's amazing just how accurate his insights were. He died almost 4 yrs ago, yet he spent most of his career saying the truth. If only more people in the entertainment industry were like him. Man, there'd be a huge wake up in this country!
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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2012, 12:20:48 PM »

;DHey, hasn't anyone noticed who gets the promotions now days?? Dumb & Dumber are running things now, in the corporations, the cities, the counties, the states, and especially, the good ol' Washington, DC barrel of monkeys...sorry, I mean, "distingushed government officials" HA!HA!HA!.

I can't get a job in a city of less than 1/4 million people, of which, over 40,000 are "officially" unemployed, because the places hiring give

1. "psych" tests, which basically ask the same 10 questions over & over, just reword them (Do you like to work independently, or in a group? Does working in a group of people who have different backgrounds make you uncomfortable? blah, blah, blah), or

2. Have the applicant answer questions about whether they have been on food stamps or in jail within the past 18 months. Since I haven't been either, I, who has an Associates Degree, gets aced out of a customer service job by welfare using ex-cons.

Thats just not true, impossible to get a job even with an arrest showing up... I know trust me. They discriminate, I guess if you cant get a job because every employer thinks anyone that has done anything wrong in their life is a piece of crap that can't be hired and you have to use food stamps to feed yourself and your family that you should never get a job to begin with? Nice logic.
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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2012, 12:30:51 PM »

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The Seven-Lesson Schoolteacher - By John Taylor Gatto

Teaching means different things in different places, but seven lessons are universally taught from Harlem to Hollywood Hills. They constitute a national curriculum you pay for in more ways than you can imagine, so you might as well know what it is. You are at liberty, of course, to regard these lessons any way you like, but believe me when I say I intend no irony in this presentation. These are the things I teach, these are the things you pay me to teach. Make of them what you will.

1. CONFUSION

A lady named Kathy wrote this to me from Dubois, Indiana the other day:

"What big ideas are important to little kids? Well, the biggest idea I think they need is that what they are learning isn't idiosyncratic -- that there is some system to it all and it's not just raining down on them as they helplessly absorb. That's the task, to understand, to make coherent."

Kathy has it wrong. The first lesson I teach is confusion. Everything I teach is out of context. I teach the un-relating of everything. I teach disconnections. I teach too much: the orbiting of planets, the law of large numbers, slavery, adjectives, architectural drawing, dance, gymnasium, choral singing, assemblies, surprise guests, fire drills, computer languages, parents' nights, staff-development days, pull-out programs, guidance with strangers my students may never see again, standardized tests, age-segregation unlike anything seen in the outside world....What do any of these things have to do with each other?

Even in the best schools a close examination of curriculum and its sequences turns up a lack of coherence, full of internal contradictions. Fortunately the children have no words to define the panic and anger they feel at constant violations of natural order and sequence fobbed off on them as quality in education. The logic of the school-mind is that it is better to leave school with a tool kit of superficial jargon derived from economics, sociology, natural science and so on than to leave with one genuine enthusiasm. But quality in education entails learning about something in depth. Confusion is thrust upon kids by too many strange adults, each working alone with only the thinnest relationship with each other, pretending for the most part, to an expertise they do not possess.

Meaning, not disconnected facts, is what sane human beings seek, and education is a set of codes for processing raw facts into meaning. Behind the patchwork quilt of school sequences and the school obsession with facts and theories, the age-old human search lies well concealed. This is harder to see in elementary school where the hierarchy of school experience seems to make better sense because the good-natured simple relationship of "let's do this" and "let's do that" is just assumed to mean something and the clientele has not yet consciously discerned how little substance is behind the play and pretense.

Think of the great natural sequences like learning to walk and learning to talk; following the progression of light from sunrise to sunset; witnessing the ancient procedures of a farmer, a smithy, or a shoemaker; watching your mother prepare a Thanksgiving feast -- all of the parts are in perfect harmony with each other, each action justifies itself and illuminates the past and the future. School sequences aren't like that, not inside a single class and not among the total menu of daily classes. School sequences are crazy. There is no particular reason for any of them, nothing that bears close scrutiny. Few teachers would dare to teach the tools whereby dogmas of a school or a teacher could be criticized since everything must be accepted. School subjects are learned, if they can be learned, like children learn the catechism or memorize the Thirty-nine Articles of Anglicanism.

I teach the un-relating of everything, an infinite fragmentation the opposite of cohesion; what I do is more related to television programming than to making a scheme of order. In a world where home is only a ghost, because both parents work, or because too many moves or too many job changes or too much ambition, or because something else has left everybody too confused to maintain a family relation, I teach you how to accept confusion as your destiny. That's the first lesson I teach.

2. CLASS POSITION

The second lesson I teach is class position. I teach that students must stay in the class where they belong. I don't know who decides my kids belong there but that's not my business. The children are numbered so that if any get away they can be returned to the right class. Over the years the variety of ways children are numbered by schools has increased dramatically, until it is hard to see the human beings plainly under the weight of numbers they carry. Numbering children is a big and very profitable undertaking, though what the strategy is designed to accomplish is elusive. I don't even know why parents would, without a fight, allow it to be done to their kids.

In any case, again, that's not my business. My job is to make them like it, being locked in together with children who bear numbers like their own. Or at the least to endure it like good sports. If I do my job well, the kids can't even imagine themselves somewhere else, because I've shown them how to envy and fear the better classes and how to have contempt for the dumb classes. Under this efficient discipline the class mostly polices itself into good marching order. That's the real lesson of any rigged competition like school. You come to know your place.

In spite of the overall class blueprint, which assumes that ninety-nine percent of the kids are in their class to stay, I nevertheless make a public effort to exhort children to higher levels of test success, hinting at eventual transfer from the lower class as a reward. I frequently insinuate that the day will come when an employer will hire them on the basis of test scores and grades, even though my own experience is that employers are rightly indifferent to such things. I never lie outright, but I've come to see that truth and schoolteaching are, at bottom, incompatible just as Socrates said they were thousands of years ago. The lesson of numbered classes is that everyone has a proper place in the pyramid and that there is no way out of your class except by number magic. Failing that, you must stay where you are put.

3. INDIFFERENCE

The third lesson I teach kids is indifference. I teach children not to care about anything too much, even though they want to make it appear that they do. How I do this is very subtle. I do it by demanding that they become totally involved in my lessons, jumping up and down in their seats with anticipation, competing vigorously with each other for my favor. It's heartwarming when they do that; it impresses everyone, even me. When I'm at my best I plan lessons very carefully in order to produce this show of enthusiasm. But when the bell rings I insist that they stop whatever it is that we've been working on and proceed quickly to the next work station. They must turn on and off like a light switch. Nothing important is ever finished in my class, nor in any other class I know of. Students never have a complete experience except on the installment plan.

Indeed, the lesson of the bells is that no work is worth finishing, so why care too deeply about anything? Years of bells will condition all but the strongest to a world that can no longer offer important work to do. Bells are the secret logic of schooltime; their logic is inexorable. Bells destroy the past and future, converting every interval into a sameness, as the abstraction of a map renders every living mountain and river the same, even though they are not. Bells inoculate each undertaking with indifference.

4. EMOTIONAL DEPENDENCY

The fourth lesson I teach is emotional dependency. By stars and red checks, smiles and frowns, prizes, honors and disgraces I teach kids to surrender their will to the predestined chain of command. Rights may be granted or withheld by any authority without appeal, because rights do not exist inside a school -- not even the right of free speech, as the Supreme Court has ruled -- unless school authorities say they do. As a schoolteacher, I intervene in many personal decisions, issuing a pass for those I deem legitimate, or initiating a disciplinary confrontation for behavior that threatens my control. Individuality is constantly trying to assert itself among children and teenagers, so my judgments come thick and fast. Individuality is a contradiction of class theory, a curse to all systems of classification.

Here are some common ways it shows up: children sneak away for a private moment in the toilet on the pretext of moving their bowels, or they steal a private instant in the hallway on the grounds they need water. I know they don't, but I allow them to deceive me because this conditions them to depend on my favors. Sometimes free will appears right in front of me in children angry, depressed or happy about things outside my ken; rights in such matters cannot be recognized by schoolteachers, only privileges that can be withdrawn, hostages to good behavior.

5. INTELLECTUAL DEPENDENCY

The fifth lesson I teach is intellectual dependency. Good people wait for a teacher to tell them what to do. It is the most important lesson, that we must wait for other people, better trained than ourselves, to make the meanings of our lives. The expert makes all the important choices; only I, the teacher, can determine what you must study, or rather, only the people who pay me can make those decisions which I then enforce. If I'm told that evolution is a fact instead of a theory, I transmit that as ordered, punishing deviants who resist what I have been told to tell them to think. This power to control what children will think lets me separate successful students from failures very easily.

Successful children do the thinking I appoint them with a minimum of resistance and a decent show of enthusiasm. Of the millions of things of value to study, I decide what few we have time for, or actually it is decided by my faceless employers. The choices are theirs, why should I argue? Curiosity has no important place in my work, only conformity.

Bad kids fight this, of course, even though they lack the concepts to know what they are fighting, struggling to make decisions for themselves about what they will learn and when they will learn it. How can we allow that and survive as schoolteachers? Fortunately there are procedures to break the will of those who resist; it is more difficult, naturally, if the kid has respectable parents who come to his aid, but that happens less and less in spite of the bad reputation of schools. No middle-class parents I have ever met actually believe that their kid's school is one of the bad ones. Not one single parent in twenty-six years of teaching. That's amazing and probably the best testimony to what happens to families when mother and father have been well-schooled themselves, learning the seven lessons.

Good people wait for an expert to tell them what to do. It is hardly an exaggeration to say that our entire economy depends upon this lesson being learned. Think of what would fall apart if kids weren't trained to be dependent: the social-service businesses could hardly survive; they would vanish, I think, into the recent historical limbo out of which they arose. Counselors and therapists would look on in horror as the supply of psychic invalids vanished. Commercial entertainment of all sorts, including television, would wither as people learned again how to make their own fun. Restaurants, prepared-food and a whole host of other assorted food services would be drastically down-sized if people returned to making their own meals rather than depending on strangers to plant, pick, chop, and cook for them. Much of modern law, medicine, and engineering would go too, the clothing business and schoolteaching as well, unless a guaranteed supply of helpless people continued to pour out of our schools each year.

Don't be too quick to vote for radical school reform if you want to continue getting a paycheck. We've built a way of life that depends on people doing what they are told because they don't know how to tell themselves what to do. It's one of the biggest lessons I teach.

6. PROVISIONAL SELF-ESTEEM

The sixth lesson I teach is provisional self-esteem. If you've ever tried to wrestle a kid into line whose parents have convinced him to believe they'll love him in spite of anything, you know how impossible it is to make self-confident spirits conform. Our world wouldn't survive a flood of confident people very long, so I teach that your self-respect should depend on expert opinion. My kids are constantly evaluated and judged.

A monthly report, impressive in its provision, is sent into students' homes to signal approval or to mark exactly, down to a single percentage point, how dissatisfied with their children parents should be. The ecology of "good" schooling depends upon perpetuating dissatisfaction just as much as the commercial economy depends on the same fertilizer. Although some people might be surprised how little time or reflection goes into making up these mathematical records, the cumulative weight of the objective-seeming documents establishes a profile that compels children to arrive at certain decisions about themselves and their futures based on the casual judgment of strangers. Self-evaluation, the staple of every major philosophical system that ever appeared on the planet, is never considered a factor. The lesson of report cards, grades, and tests is that children should not trust themselves or their parents but should instead rely on the evaluation of certified officials. People need to be told what they are worth.

7. ONE CAN'T HIDE

The seventh lesson I teach is that one can't hide. I teach children they are always watched, that each is under constant surveillance by myself and my colleagues. There are no private spaces for children, there is no private time. Class change lasts three hundred seconds to keep promiscuous fraternization at low levels. Students are encouraged to tattle on each other or even to tattle on their own parents. Of course, I encourage parents to file their own child's waywardness too. A family trained to snitch on itself isn't likely to conceal any dangerous secrets.

I assign a type of extended schooling called "homework," so that the effect of surveillance, if not that surveillance itself, travels into private households, where students might otherwise use free time to learn something unauthorized from a father or mother, by exploration, or by apprenticing to some wise person in the neighborhood. Disloyalty to the idea of schooling is a Devil always ready to find work for idle hands.

The meaning of constant surveillance and denial of privacy is that no one can be trusted, that privacy is not legitimate. Surveillance is an ancient imperative, espoused by certain influential thinkers, a central prescription set down in The Republic, in The City of God, in the Institutes of the Christian Religion, in New Atlantis, in Leviathan, and in a host of other places. All these childless men who wrote these books discovered the same thing: children must be closely watched if you want to keep a society under tight central control. Children will follow a private drummer if you can't get them into a uniformed marching band.

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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2012, 01:16:33 PM »

Thats just not true, impossible to get a job even with an arrest showing up... I know trust me. They discriminate, I guess if you cant get a job because every employer thinks anyone that has done anything wrong in their life is a piece of crap that can't be hired and you have to use food stamps to feed yourself and your family that you should never get a job to begin with? Nice logic.
No, my post had nothing to do with having a problem "doing something wrong" or "being on food stamps", it has to do with the fact that employers NEVER used to ask these questions. People were hired based on their education and/or experience. Now, the GOVERNMENT steps in, gives employers "incentives" (MONEY) to specifically hire certain people. We do not have a free market employment situation; haven't since they passed EOE laws. 
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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2012, 01:51:11 PM »


Thats just not true, impossible to get a job even with an arrest showing up... I know trust me. They discriminate, I guess if you cant get a job because every employer thinks anyone that has done anything wrong in their life is a piece of crap that can't be hired and you have to use food stamps to feed yourself and your family that you should never get a job to begin with? Nice logic.


There are a number of reasons employers do not hire people.  Whether those reasons are based on some government incentive program, ignorance or simply preference is really irrelevant... the end result is the same.

For example, I cannot lawfully sign a W4 or W9 because to do so would require me to commit perjury (I know too much).  I also cannot morally work for anyone that requires me to disarm while on their premises.  This really narrows the job pool... just as the criminal record or debt problem stuff does for others.

However, there's more than one way to work in a "free" country.  If you have a skill that people value, they will pay for it.  Some have their preferences, some don't.  It's just a matter of finding those for whom to work (contractually) that are not complete asshats.  Yes, again, it's a narrow pool, but they're out there.  There are both companies and individuals that require the skills of others.  Nevermind the "under the table" garbage... that's a false narrative as our right to contract is unlimited and no government has any lawful interest in the fruits of our labor.

Good luck... just think outside the box.
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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2012, 01:54:44 PM »

There are a number of reasons employers do not hire people.  Whether those reasons are based on some government incentive program, ignorance or simply preference is really irrelevant... the end result is the same.

For example, I cannot lawfully sign a W4 or W9 because to do so would require me to commit perjury (I know too much).  I also cannot morally work for anyone that requires me to disarm while on their premises.  This really narrows the job pool... just as the criminal record or debt problem stuff does for others.

However, there's more than one way to work in a "free" country.  If you have a skill that people value, they will pay for it.  Some have their preferences, some don't.  It's just a matter of finding those for whom to work (contractually) that are not complete asshats.  Yes, again, it's a narrow pool, but they're out there.  There are both companies and individuals that require the skills of others.  Nevermind the "under the table" garbage... that's a false narrative as our right to contract is unlimited and no government has any lawful interest in the fruits of our labor.

Good luck... just think outside the box.

Oh yes, I know its out there, just difficult to find at the moment. I am going back to school as we speak working on becoming a certified hvac tech. I guess we will see how it goes when im done : /. I get depressed because I used to always have a job and now I have been unemployed for a little over a year now.
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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2012, 01:56:16 PM »

No, my post had nothing to do with having a problem "doing something wrong" or "being on food stamps", it has to do with the fact that employers NEVER used to ask these questions. People were hired based on their education and/or experience. Now, the GOVERNMENT steps in, gives employers "incentives" (MONEY) to specifically hire certain people. We do not have a free market employment situation; haven't since they passed EOE laws. 

Oh okay, I took it that you were saying those thing in a derogatory manner.
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« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2012, 02:41:43 PM »

... I get depressed because I used to always have a job and now I have been unemployed for a little over a year now.

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« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2012, 03:29:22 PM »

1. "psych" tests, which basically ask the same 10 questions over & over, just reword them (Do you like to work independently, or in a group? Does working in a group of people who have different backgrounds make you uncomfortable? blah, blah, blah), or

Oh yeah, I hate those. They're there just to do two things, find those who have a drone like mind set and or see if you're willing to jump through hoops and crawl on knees to get that job. And another thing, those questions are getting creepier and creepier, I've seen some that ask you if you think politicians are honest or that tax laws are just (I am not kidding). I would like to say I don't know what the hell my political opinion has got to do with hiring me or not but.. I already know the truth to that.

But yeah, Monkeypuppet has the right idea, try to make your money through "side jobs" if you can. So long as you're not messing around in "their" system they got nothing to "tax" you on so long as you don't get their attention (since let's face it, a little thing called the law never stopped the I.R.S before and they will still try to claim that ANY money you make is taxable). 
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« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2012, 10:29:54 PM »

Quite frankly, I feel pretty dumbed down.
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