FF ALERT: Provoking Turkey to Attack Syria to Jump-start War

[Optimus]

Downed Turkish jet prompts fears of Syrian confrontation

A Turkish fighter jet crashed into the waters off Syria on Friday, triggering fears of a confrontation between Nato and the Assad regime amid allegations that it had been shot down.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9350341/Downed-Turkish-jet-prompts-fears-of-Syrian-confrontation.html


Syrian security forces 'shoot down Turkish fighter jet' over Mediterranean Sea

F4 jet disappeared over eastern Mediterranean Sea near Syrian border
Turkish PM Erdogan said it is unclear what happened to the jet
A search and rescue operation has been launched to look for two pilots

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2163281/Turkish-military-F-4-plane-vanishes-near-Syria-border-Mediterranean-Sea.html#ixzz1yYhURUTN


Confusion surrounds fate of Turkish fighter missing close to Syria

Confusion surrounds the fate of a Turkish fighter missing over the Mediterranean.

Earlier reports suggested Syrian air defences shot the plane down.

Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said he had no information as to how the plane went down but investigations are continuing:

http://www.euronews.com/2012/06/22/confusion-surrounds-fate-of-turkish-fighter-missing-close-to-syria/

[Optimus]

Downed Turkish Jet Will Be Used By West to Draw Turkey Into Bilderberg and NATO’s Plan
http://www.infowars.com/downed-turkish-jet-will-be-used-by-west-to-draw-turkey-into-bilderberg-and-natos-plan/
         
Patrick Henningsen
Infowars.com
June 22, 2012

Details regarding today’s reports of a Turkish Jet which lost contact with air traffic control over Syrian airspace and crashed into Syrian territorial waters, are still unclear.

It is not known whether the jet was shot down or not.

According RT, Turkish President Erdogan “did not confirm reports that Damascus had apologized for shooting down the plane”. Turkey has so far refrained from giving any information the two pilots, who are said to have been rescued earlier. More information is expected to be released after a security meeting scheduled for this evening.

If the West and NATO is to enforce a Libya-style ‘no fly-zone’ in Syria, then Turkey would be the tool of choice to run such an operation.  In addition, the Syrian Air Force is considering bombing raids as part of their fight against insurgents and al-Qaida terrorists north of Aleppo – who have been using Turkey as refuge from the Syrian Army.

Syrian National Council representative Bassma Kodmani was in attendance at this year’s Bilderberg Meeting in Chantilly, VA, another indication that the West’s plans for Syrian regime change and later balkanization – have already been signed off. Kodmani is the Head of Foreign Affairs with the SNC, a coalition of Syrian opposition groups based in Istanbul, Turkey. Clearly, an external agenda is set regarding the destiny of that country.

For full analysis on today’s events, watch this breaking report:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfmRxOQ9Dq0&feature=player_embedded

[chris jones]

 Yes, FF ,and what else do they have on the table.

[Baihuigau]

Interesting enough only time you dip very low to the map of the earth is when you do not want radar or sams to pick you up, so only method is aa artilery, it could also be the plane was having issues by i doubt it, turkey uses f4`s for recon, wonder what turkey was doing recon of.

[Optimus]

Turkey vows action against Syria for downing jet

By SUZAN FRASER

Associated Press
Posted:   06/23/2012 06:33:57 AM PDT
Updated:   06/23/2012 06:33:58 AM PDT

ANKARA, Turkey -- Turkey will take retaliatory steps against Syria for the downing of a Turkish military jet, President Abdullah Gul said Saturday, even as he suggested that the aircraft may have unintentionally violated Syrian airspace.

It was not clear if Gul was suggesting military retaliation, increased sanctions against Syria or other possible steps, including demands for an apology, and his aide would not comment on his words. But Faruk Celik, Turkey's Labor and Social Security Minister, said Turkey would retaliate "either in the diplomatic field or give other types of response."

"Even if we assume that there was a violation of Syria's airspace -- though the situation is still not clear -- the Syrian response cannot be to bring down the plane," Celik told reporters.

"The incident is unacceptable," he said. "Turkey cannot endure it in silence."

Syria said Friday its forces had shot down a Turkish military plane that entered its air space. The plane, an unarmed F-4, went down in the Mediterranean Sea about 8 miles (13 kilometers) from the Syrian town of Latakia, Turkey said.

More: http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_20924176/turkey-vows-action-against-syria-downing-jet

[EvadingGrid]

How far into Syrian Territory ?

On the one hand we are told it was just 1 Kilometer here

Syria claims it violated its airspace by 1 kilometre

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2163281/Syrian-military-admit-shooting-Turkish-fighter-jet-Mediterranean-Sea.html#ixzz1ydHI8OSq


Yet read this very carefully and then do the math...
Erdogan confirmed that the plane went down some eight miles (13km) from the Syrian town of Latakia over the Mediterranean Sea.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2163281/Syrian-military-admit-shooting-Turkish-fighter-jet-Mediterranean-Sea.html#ixzz1ydH201SS
The Math

The 12 mile limit is 22 Kilometers...  
To be 13 kilometers from Latakia, you would have to be 22Km minus 13Km inside Syrian Territory which is 9 Kilometers.

To be clear, for the plane to be only 1Km into Syrian Terrirory, it would have to be 21Km from Latakia, and not 13Km.

The 12 mile limit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_waters

[chris jones]

 FF. Syria is on the elites agenda.SKETCHY- SOP- Its kinda obvious we will never get the truth.
 MSM is posting this, that tells me they got the word from the Ole Gov/elites.
 Turkey and Syria were getting along fairly well untill the Arab Spring (elite) deal came along.

[Optimus]

Turkey Mobilizes for War with Syria
http://www.infowars.com/turkey-mobilizes-for-war-with-syria/

Infowars.com
June 26, 2012

Turkey is moving a large number of troops and hardware to the Syrian border, according to Turkish media reports.

On Tuesday evening, the Times of Israel reported:

    Large numbers of Turkish troops — including at least 15 long-range artillery pieces and tanks – moved to the Syrian frontier from the eastern city of Diyarbakir. A video published by the Turkish Cihan News Agency showed Turkish tanks being transported by carrier trucks toward the frontier.

Following the shoot-down of a Turkish warplane over Syrian territory, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said his military will respond to any future incident.

“As awe-inspiring as Turkey’s friendship is, Turkey’s wrath is equally awe-inspiring,” Erdogan said in a speech delivered before parliament.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0HtCvyeBg0&feature=player_embedded

[EvadingGrid]

I wonder wot would happen if a Syrian Jet Fighter strayed into Turkish Airspace... 

[Byrne0ut]

I wonder wot would happen if a Syrian Jet Fighter strayed into Turkish Airspace... 

Well I highly doubt Syria would be dumb enough to send fighter jets any where near Turkish airspace. This is all saber rattling and I highly doubt there will be any western intervention in Syria. I have noticed that there is 0 coverage of this story in the lame stream media.

[stray85]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSg_ttXr5q0

The lot numbers are on the morter shells....

[chris jones]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSg_ttXr5q0

At least that's what the caption say's...

The lot numbers are on the Morter shells....

              FF's, rebels they say, how about well paid Mercs or SF's /Seals/Iz on TDY to the agency, Mossad hirelings under orders/ brit commandos on loan/
who is running this shitshow,               the elites & their supercorp sucklings.

[stray85]

Well who knows if this video is legit but that shell looked U.S. military.

[John_Back_From_The_Club_O]

Is everyone else timing this out on their wrist watch?

Are the Germans going to invade Poland setting England into motion setting the US into motion.

...as in the US going to bomb Syria setting Russia and China into motion.

[Optimus]

Turkey authorizes military action in Syria after mortar attack that killed civilians

By Liz Sly, Updated: Thursday, October 4, 8:17 AM

BEIRUT — Turkey’s parliament voted Thursday to authorize military cross-border operations into Syria, a day after an apparently errant mortar strike from inside Syria killed five Turkish civilians.

Deputy Prime Minister Besir Atalay told the Associated Press that the 320-129 vote “is not for war,” but is intended to deter Syria from further violence that could spill over the border.

Atalay also said that Syria has taken responsibility and formally apologized for the death of the five Turkish civilians, and reassured the United Nations that “such an incident will not occur again,” AP reported.

Though this was not the first time the Syrian conflict has spilled over into Turkey, the five people killed Wednesday after a shell launched by the Syrian military crashed into the Turkish border town of Akcakale were the first Turkish civilians to die.

Within hours of the strike, Turkey launched two artillery attacks against Syria in retaliation, marking the most serious escalation in international tensions since the Syrian revolt erupted 19 months ago.

More: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/turkey-again-shells-syria-to-retaliate-for-mortar-attack-that-killed-civilians/2012/10/04/ff256bcc-0e0b-11e2-a310-2363842b7057_story.html?wpisrc=al_national

[EvadingGrid]

Turkey approves military operations in Syria
Turkey's parliament has approved military operations against targets in Syria following the deaths of five Turkish citizens from Syrian shelling.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9586845/Turkey-approves-military-operations-in-Syria.html
By Richard Spencer, Middle East Correspondent, and Barney Henderson
1:27PM BST 04 Oct 2012





The mandate, valid for one year, was passed by 320 votes in the 550-seat Turkish parliament, it added.

Turkey's deputy prime minister, Besir Atalay, said authorising the use of force in Syria is not a declaration of war but is intended as a deterrent.

The vote came as Turkey resumed shelling Syrian government military positions on Thursday morning in retaliation for a mortar round which landed over its border killing five of its citizens.

[EvadingGrid]

Turkey launches artillery attacks on Syrian targets in retaliation after five civilians were killed in mortar strike

    * Turkish PM: 'Our armed forces responded immediately to abominable attack'

   * Five people killed when Syrian shells struck border village earlier in the day

    * Action by Ankara threatens to drag the West into military conflict with Assad

    * NATO holds emergency meeting and stands by its member Turkey

    * Foreign Secretary William Hague condemns Syria's 'outrageous act'

    * US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton: 'It's a very, very dangerous situation'

By Rob Preece
PUBLISHED: 21:09, 3 October 2012 | UPDATED: 09:39, 4 October 2012
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2212471/Turkey-launches-artillery-attacks-Syrian-targets-retaliation-civilians-killed-mortar-strike.html

Fears that the West could be dragged into the war in Syria grew today after Turkey fired on targets inside President Bashar Assad's country.

The artillery strikes were in retaliation for the bombing of a Turkish village earlier in the day which killed a woman and four children.

The violence, which prompted NATO to convene an emergency meeting, marks a dangerous escalation of the war which has engulfed Syria for 18 months.

[John_Back_From_The_Club_O]

The only thing missing from this script is that we need an 'Arch Duke' from some western europe country to get assassinated while in Turkey.

[EvadingGrid]

The only thing missing from this script is that we need an 'Arch Duke' from some western europe country to get assassinated while in Turkey.

A Secret Society .....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hand_%28Serbia%29

You gotta laugh...
They even tell you this at school...

A Secret Society triggers one of the biggest wars in history...
But we are all "conspiracy theorists" ..#

[John_Back_From_The_Club_O]

A Secret Society .....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hand_%28Serbia%29

You gotta laugh...
They even tell you this at school...

A Secret Society triggers one of the biggest wars in history...
But we are all "conspiracy theorists" ..#

NOTE THE SKULL AND BONES ON THIER CREST

"NOTHING TO SEE HERE FOLKS GO BACK TO WATCHING YOUR WHEEL OF FORTUNE, NFL REFS..."

[EvadingGrid]

NOTE THE SKULL AND BONES ON THIER CREST

"NOTHING TO SEE HERE FOLKS GO BACK TO WATCHING YOUR WHEEL OF FORTUNE, NFL REFS..."

Good point.

I've also been informed by a serb that these secret societies are still active to this day in the former Yugoslavia.


Anyone Know about Secret Societies in Turkey ?

[chris jones]

The intelligence agencys in both Turkey and Syria are not morons, they know exactly what is going on, the deal its (classified) information. Little people don't get the real deal.
 The guys in the boots do not get this info, only the brass has a handle on it.
Consider the Pheonix Program, Colby and Westmoreland hand and hand, thats a peek into who truly pulls the militarys strings, going up the ladder we get to OLE Gov., don't even stop there, the globalists have strings attached to these loons.
 It's the so called rebels dropping mortors on Turkey,FF  expanding their terror -tory.
Just as the Embassy being attacked in Libya, thespin was pulled of by Hillary sending in the FBI to discover who did it, to blanket the fact they knew all alongand the pretense is exibited they are hunting down these guys.
               

[TahoeBlue]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/05/syria-agrees-buffer-zone-turkish-border-reports
Syria agrees to buffer zone along Turkish border, say reports

Turkish media says deal struck in wake of this week's deadly border shelling incident which killed five Turkish civilians
Martin Chulov in Beirut
Guardian.co.uk, Friday 5 October 2012 13.34 EDT

Syria has agreed to keep its forces six miles (10km) back from the Turkish border in the wake of this week's deadly shelling incident, Turkish media has reported.

Such a move would amount to a buffer zone – fulfilling a longstanding request by Syrian opposition groups that would allow rebels to operate freely and civilians to seek refuge.

Syria has not confirmed the claim and Ankara has made no official announcement. However, several Turkish media outlets, citing well-placed sources, claimed a deal had been struck.
...

[Optimus]

New shelling exchange along Syrian-Turkish border

October 6, 2012 |  4:57 am

BEIRUT--Turkey fired retaliatory shells into neighboring Syria on Saturday for a fourth consecutive day after a Syrian mortar projectile again struck Turkish territory, news agencies reported.

The latest exchange comes a day after Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan gave a fiery address warning that it would be a “fatal mistake” to test Turkey’s resolve in the matter.

“We are not interested in war, but we are not far from it either,” Erdogan said.

World leaders fear a broader regional war arising from the conflict raging inside Syria, where rebels are fighting to oust President Bashar Assad. Turkey has called on Assad to step down and has provided a haven for Syrian rebels and political dissidents.

On Saturday, the Turkish press reported, a mortar shell from Syria landed in a field near the Turkish border village of Guvecci, in Hatay province. No one was hurt,  but the incident prompted Turkish batteries to fire volleys  into Syria. There was no immediate word on possible casualties on the Syrian side.

More: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2012/10/new-shelling-exchange-along-syrian-turkish-border.html

[EvadingGrid]

Russia Today pointed out the mortar shells are coming from an area controlled by the 'rebels'.

[TahoeBlue]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/06/us-syria-crisis-idUSBRE88J0X720121006
...
Turkey has nearly 100,000 Syrian refugees in camps on its territory, has allowed rebel leaders sanctuary and has led calls for Assad to quit. Its armed forces are far larger than Syria's.
...
Turkish calls for a safe zone in Syria would require a no-fly zone that NATO states are unwilling to police.
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Syria has since ordered its warplanes and helicopters not to go within 10 km (six miles) of the Turkish border and artillery units not to fire shells close to the border, according to Turkish broadcaster NTV. Syria has not confirmed this.

[Sasha]

Think tank: path to Iran nuke warhead 2-4 months
By GEORGE JAHN
Associated Press
Oct 8, 12:22 PM EDT

VIENNA (AP) -- Iran could produce enough weapons-grade uranium to arm a nuclear bomb within two to four months but would still face serious "engineering challenges" - and much longer delays - before it succeeds in making the other components needed for a functioning warhead, a respected U.S. think tank said Monday.

While Iran denies any interest in possessing nuclear arms, the international community fears it may turn its peaceful uranium enrichment program toward weapons making - a concern that is growing as Tehran expands the number of machines it uses to enrich its stockpile of enriched uranium. As those fears grow, so does concern that Israel could carry out its threats to attack Iran's nuclear facilities before that nation reaches the bomb-making threshold.

In a strident call for an internationally drawn "red line" on what he said is Iran's move toward nuclear arms, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Sept. 28 that the world has until next summer at the latest to stop Tehran before it can build an atomic bomb. Flashing a diagram of a cartoon-like bomb before the U.N. General Assembly, Netanyahu said Iran is ready to move to the "final stage" of making such a weapon by then.

For now, U.S. military and intelligence officials say they don't believe Iran's leadership has made the decision to build a bomb, while also warning that the country is moving closer to the ability to do so.

The Institute for Science and International Security did not make a judgment on whether Iran plans to turn its enrichment capabilities toward weapons making. But in its report made available to The Associated Press ahead of publication Monday, it drew a clear distinction between Tehran's ability to make the fissile core of a warhead by producing 25 kilograms (55 pounds) of weapons-grade uranium from its lower enriched stockpiles and the warhead itself.

"Despite work it may have done in the past," Iran would need "many additional months to manufacture a nuclear device suitable for underground testing and even longer to make a reliable warhead for a ballistic missile," the report said.

Beside its payload of weapons grade uranium, a nuclear warhead also needs to have a complicated trigger mechanism that sets off a chain reaction in the weapons grade uranium - the fissile core of such a weapon - resulting in the high-power blast and widespread radiation characteristic of such weapons. While the International Atomic Energy Agency says Iran may have worked secretly on testing such a nuclear trigger, Iran vehemently denies any nuclear weapons experiments.

Additionally, ISIS - which often advises Congress and other branches of U.S. government on Iran's nuclear program - said any attempt to "break out" into weapons-grade uranium enrichment would be quickly detected by the United States and the IAEA, which monitors Tehran's known enrichment sites. With Washington likely to "respond forcefully to any "break-out" attempt, Iran is unlikely to take such a risk "during the next year or so," said the report.

Still, the report suggested a narrowing window as Iran positions itself to increase enrichment.

Iran now has more than 10,000 centrifuges enriching uranium at its main plant at Natanz, 225 kilometers (140 miles) southeast of Tehran, making low-level material. Additionally it has about 800 machines turning out 20 percent enriched uranium at Fordo, a bunkered structure fortified against an air attack near the holy city of Qom, as well as about 2,000 more installed but not yet running.

Uranium enriched to 20 percent can be turned into weapons-grade material much more quickly than low-enriched uranium. If the centrifuges at Fordo, which are now idle, also start operating and are used to make 20 percent material, Iran - using its total enrichment output of low and higher grade uranium - could produce enough weapons-grade uranium for a warhead within three or four weeks, said the summary.

Olli Heinonen, who stepped down as the IAEA's deputy director general in charge of the Iran file in 2010, said the Institute for Science and International Security report contains "good and technically sound estimates."

He said Fordo will nearly double its production capacity of 20 percent enriched uranium to up to 30 kilograms (more than 60 pounds) a month, if and when all the machines there are operating.