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« on: June 21, 2012, 11:05:16 PM »

I would put much more stock in all this talk if Ron Paul himself came out and said... "we are in it to win it"... and ... "we are not going to just give Mittens RP's delegates".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHkPgBVQ8_8&feature=youtu.be
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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2012, 09:20:22 AM »

Ron Paul ONE - Lawyers for Ron Paul - Part II

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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2012, 11:16:27 AM »

Ron Paul to run on the Meritocrat Party
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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2012, 11:17:00 AM »

Ron Paul Delegate Revolt Underway
http://afteramerica.wordpress.com/2012/06/18/ron-pauls-most-recent-message-to-supporters/
June 16, 2012
By Nathaniel Downes

There is an old saying, never count your chickens before they’re hatched. In Santa Ana, California,
a group of 162 delegates is suing to be allowed to vote
for the nominee of their choice at the national convention.

The legal brief filed Monday claims that state parties have forced the delegates to sign away their rights under both federal laws and the national GOP rules, as well as having broken various election laws.

As reported on Courthouse News, Richard Gilbert, the lawyer from Gilbert & Marlow who is handling the case for the delegates, has been quoted as saying “To have a real convention, the delegates must have free will so that when they meet, they can persuade each other and then decide who to vote for.” This spells trouble for the party bosses, who according to rumor selected Romney to be the candidate at the Las Palmas meeting with wealthy donors back in 2011. The allegations in the court documents, which include party rule changes in the middle of voting, delegate removal and manipulation of the system, harken back to a dark era in US politics, where secret handshakes and backroom deals were the way of things and the people had little say.

If the lawsuit is successful, then the Republican Party Convention in Tampa, FL becomes a wild west free for all. And if that happens, all bets are off. The real winner in such a scenario is Texas Congressman Ron Paul, who carefully packed delegate selections with his people. The 2012 convention would rival the chaos of the 1920 convention, where initially, all eyes were on Leonard Wood as the nominee. The nomination went instead to Warren G. Harding, who had placed a distant 5th place finish in the primaries with less than 7% of the “pledged” delegates.

The judge on the case, Justice David Carter, is a Clinton appointee who has overseen notable cases such as the Mexican Mafia and Aryan Brotherhood Trials as well as Barnett vs Obama where he threw out the Birther claims against the President. He also serves as a professor at the University of California, Irvine, and is reported to have a reputation as a strict judge who is fair and honest among his peers.

No date has yet been set for the case hearing.
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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2012, 11:20:48 AM »

CAMPAIGN 2012
RNC Faces Suit From Paul Backers

http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/rnc-faces-suit-from-paul-backers-20120619
By Caroline Roth
Updated: June 20, 2012 | 6:46 a.m.
June 19, 2012 | 4:55 p.m.

A slate of Ron Paul backers elected to the Republican National Convention that will be held later this summer in Tampa have sued the national party for the right to vote for their chosen candidate.

In a lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in California, the 132 delegates -- representing 18 states and accounting for more than 5 percent of the total number of delegates elected to vote in Tampa -- allege that the RNC violates federal law by requiring them to sign pledges to back a certain candidate. The RNC's "Unit Rule," which restricts delegates' voting options, illegally limits their vote, they say.

An RNC spokesperson called it "a frivolous lawsuit that we're not worried about."

Richard Gilbert, an attorney representing the Paul delegates, said he hopes that a judge will issue court orders protecting delegates from coercion. Gilbert said he had been in touch with Paul's campaign, and that while one official urged him not to file suit, another Paul adviser -- Doug Wead -- told him to "go for it."

The suit names the RNC, Chairman Reince Priebus, 55 state and territorial Republican Parties and their respective chairmen. It also accuses national Republicans of engaging in an orchestrated campaign to deny Paul backers the right to elect delegates.

In a memo to members obtained by The Hotline, RNC General Counsel John Phillippe says that the lawsuit deserves a serious response, although he called it "completely frivolous." Phillippe said that RNC members will hold a conference call in coming days to plan legal strategy.

The suit accuses state party organizations of using security officers to intimidate legitimate delegates, refusing to certify other delegates, and unlawfully taking steps to force delegates to vote for a certain candidate.

"Plaintiffs allege there has been a systematic campaign of election fraud at state conventions including programing a voting machine in Arizona to count Ron Paul votes as Governor [Mitt] Romney votes; ballot stuffing, meaning the same person casting several ballots in several states; altering and falsifying ballot totals for each candidate; the use of violence at several state conventions; altering procedural rules to prevent votes being cast for Ron Paul," one of the charges reads.

Gilbert told The Hotline that he filed suit over "crime and violence taking place at state conventions, where bones were being broken, fingers broken, and voting machines rigged." He compared the Romney campaign to "an organized-crime syndicate, like locusts, committing crimes to influence votes."

The plaintiffs say that because delegates cannot be bound to a specific candidate, Romney has not yet locked up the GOP nomination. By internal RNC counts, Romney has collected well more than the 1,144 delegates he needs to become the party's presumptive nominee.

And while Paul has said he is no longer actively seeking the nomination, his supporters haven't stopped trying to influence the results. Several state party organizations, seeking to blunt the influence of Paul supporters who show up at state conventions where delegates will be elected, have altered rules, canceled meetings, or taken other steps to avoid being taken over by pro-Paul forces. Paul backers have successfully taken over party organizations in states such as Iowa, Alaska, Maine, and Nevada.

The suit was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California's Southern District -- which sits in the Ronald Reagan Federal Building and Courthouse in Santa Ana.
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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2012, 11:29:08 AM »

Written on June 16, 2012 at 2:33 pm by Tim Brown
RNC Sued By GOP Delegates To Vote Conscience
http://frontporchpolitics.com/2012/06/rnc-sued-by-gop-delegates-to-vote-conscience/

A new lawsuit against the GOP by delegates to the Republican National Convention claims that they have been illegally coerced into voting for Mitt Romney for the party’s presidential nominee and they are demanding to be “unbound” to vote their conscience in favor of another candidate.

The lawyers, Giblert & Marlowe of Santa Ana, CA, are representing nearly 200 delegates to the GOP national convention, many of whom are Ron Paul supporters. The lawsuit has been filed in the U. S. District Court in California. The plaintiffs in the case are from California, Arizona, Maine, Texas, Georgia, Nevada, South Carolina, Missouri, New Jersey, Michigan, Massachusetts, Louisiana, Illinois, Colorado and Alabama.

The plaintiffs are citing federal law in their complaint which reads,

    11 CFR IOO.2(e): Defining a national convention as a “Federal Election” for the purpose of electing a candidate for federal office. Which states:

    “( e) Caucus or Convention. A caucus or convention ofa political party is an election ifthe caucus or convention has the authority to select a nominee for federal office on behalf of that party.”

and

    42 USC 1971 -Sec. 1971. Voting rights. Which states:

    “No person, whether acting under color of law or otherwise, shall intimidate, threaten, coerce, or attempt to intimidate, threaten, or coerce any other person for the purpose of interfering with the right of such person to vote or to vote as he may choose, or of causing such other person to vote for, or not to vote for, any candidate for the office of President.”

Not only are they arguing with federal law, but they are also arguing that the Republican National Committee and its Chairman, Reince Priebus, have violated Rule 11 of the Rules of the Republican Party. For the past six months the RNC and the Chairman have, “”No person, whether acting under color of law or otherwise, shall intimidate, threaten, coerce, or attempt to intimidate, threaten, or coerce any other person for the purpose of interfering with the right of such person to vote or to vote as he may choose, or of causing such other person to vote for, or not to vote for, any candidate for the office of President,” the lawsuit claims.

What is the proof offered in the lawsuit for such claims?


    “The Republican National Committee (hereafter RNC) and its Chairman have been aiding the Governor Romney Campaign for at least six months up to and including the present time notwithstanding that no candidate has won the nomination. Governor Romney does not have 1144 Delegates, the minimum number of Delegates required to win the nomination and, no candidate can be assured that they are the nominee until the Delegates vote because the Delegates have a statutory and Constitutional Right to vote their conscience.”

It also argues, “These Defendants have intentionally violated Federal Laws and Supreme Court Decisions by seeking to bind Delegates to the Candidate of Defendants’ choice and these Defendants have refused to follow Federal Law.”

The lawsuit also cites allegations of other harassment, foul play at state conventions, and out right voter fraud.

WND reports,

    “Some campaigns act like organized crime syndicates – and I mean organized crime, no doubt about it,” Gilbert told Courthouse News. “In Arizona, the voting machines were rigged so that Ron Paul votes were counted as Mitt Romney votes. It was so intentional that a Romney delegate refused to certify the vote count, and for that he got thrown off the convention.”

    The plaintiffs are asking the court to order the RNC to inform delegates they can vote for the nominee of their choice, to reinstate delegates who lost their seats at the convention because they refused to sign loyalty affidavits and to recount ballots by hand or hold another convention in areas “where the sanctity of the ballots are untrustworthy.”

Richard Gilbert, one of the attorney in the lawsuit, said, “They don’t want to be bound to any candidate, or even be forced to vote for the nominee. To have a real convention, the delegates must have free will so that when they meet, they can persuade each other and then decide who to vote for.”

“If the judge rules in our favor, I won’t be surprised if three or four new candidates, say Sarah Palin, jump in and say they want to be considered,” Gilbert continued. “It will be the most interesting national convention in my lifetime if the judge rules for us on this.”

The following video explains the lawsuit by some of its allies:

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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2012, 11:31:48 AM »

ELECTION 2012
GOP delegates sue to be free from Romney
123 Republicans and counting want to be 'unbound' at national convention
http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/gop-delegates-sue-to-be-free-from-romney/

Over 120 delegates to the Republican National Convention have joined a lawsuit against the GOP arguing they have been illegally coerced into choosing Mitt Romney for the party’s presidential nominee and demanding they be “unbound” to vote for another candidate instead.

The federal lawsuit, filed this week in U.S. District Court in California by mostly supporters of Ron Paul, demands the delegates be freed to “vote their conscience” for presidential nominee at the party’s August national convention in Tampa, Fla., rather than being “bound” to vote for a certain candidate, as many state party bylaws require, based on the primary elections and other delegate selection procedures.

Courthouse News Service reports at least another 40 additional national convention delegates have asked to join the lawsuit.

Supporters of the effort say there is “evidence that the voting rights of Ron Paul Republican delegates and voters … have been violated by nearly every state GOP party and the RNC during the 2012 primary election phase.”

The delegates claim the party violated federal law by forcing them to sign loyalty affidavits, under threat of perjury, to vote for Mitt Romney, though he is not yet the official nominee.

“They don’t want to be bound to any candidate, or even be forced to vote for the nominee,” Richard Gilbert, of Gilbert & Marlowe, attorney for the delegates, told Courthouse News. “To have a real convention, the delegates must have free will so that when they meet, they can persuade each other and then decide who to vote for.”

The courts have typically allowed political parties leeway in the nomination of their candidates, but this case asks the court to consider the choice of presidential nominee a “federal election,” subject to laws that would free delegates from party procedures to vote their conscience.

Beyond merely asserting delegates’ “right” to vote their conscience, however, the lawsuit asserts the GOP has engaged in a racketeering-like scheme to push Romney as the candidate.

“The Republican National Committee and its chairman have been aiding the Governor Romney campaign for at least six months,” the lawsuit asserts. “The RNC and its chairman, defendant Reince Priebus, have … combined with a particular candidate with all of the aid the RNC can possibly, but improperly give … to obstruct, intimidate and harass delegates from voting their conscience.”

Specifically, the lawsuit charges Republican officials and operatives have used threats of violence, certified unlawful slates of delegates, demanded affidavits of loyalty to Romney under penalty of perjury and have even altered ballot results to make sure the national convention is stacked with delegates who will vote for Romney.

“Some campaigns act like organized crime syndicates – and I mean organized crime, no doubt about it,” Gilbert told Courthouse News. “In Arizona, the voting machines were rigged so that Ron Paul votes were counted as Mitt Romney votes. It was so intentional that a Romney delegate refused to certify the vote count, and for that he got thrown off the convention.”

The plaintiffs are asking the court to order the RNC to inform delegates they can vote for the nominee of their choice, to reinstate delegates who lost their seats at the convention because they refused to sign loyalty affidavits and to recount ballots by hand or hold another convention in areas “where the sanctity of the ballots are untrustworthy.”

Yet striking down party rules that bind candidates to vote in accordance with the primary process could suddenly open up the nomination to another campaign season, as presidential hopefuls could attempt to sway the elected delegates to their side, a potentiality Gilbert recognizes.

“If the judge rules in our favor, I won’t be surprised if three or four new candidates, say Sarah Palin, jump in and say they want to be considered,” Gilbert told Courthouse News. “It will be the most interesting national convention in my lifetime if the judge rules for us on this.”

A video created by allies of the lawsuit explaining its basics can be seen below:
(see previous post for this video)

Some sources report that Gilbert & Marlowe represent presidential hopeful Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, but the attorney’s office would not confirm with WND whether it has represented Paul previously nor whether the congressman has any connection to the current lawsuit.
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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2012, 09:15:59 PM »

The only thing missing from this is RP himself.
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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2012, 11:48:30 AM »

Can't Ron Paul just get a money bomb to gain ballot access in all 50 states at this point ?

How hard would that be ?
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