Ron Paul: "no way!" to Romney endorsement

[Valerius]

"Ron Paul: Romney ‘doesn’t have the control of the hearts and the minds of the people’"


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[larsonstdoc]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ron-paul-theres-no-way-im-endorsing-romney.html


Ron Paul: There’s “No Way” I’m Endorsing Romney
                   
“He has the delegates, but he doesn’t have the hearts and the minds of the people”
Steve Watson
Prisonplanet.com
June 20, 2012

Congressman Ron Paul has appeared on two major news networks and declared that there is “no way” he will endorse Mitt Romney for president.
On last night’s Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer, Paul said that despite his own son’s endorsement for Romney, he would not be throwing his hat in with the former Massachusetts governor.
“Well, it looks like he has the delegates, yes,” Paul told Blitzer. “But he doesn’t have the control of the hearts and the minds of the people. And right now a lot of people — a lot of delegates who are pledged to vote for Romney are actually very strong supporters of ours and will be strongly supporting us when we want to put things into the platform that say, hey, we don’t need another war. Yes, we do need to audit the Federal Reserve. Yes, we ought to really cut spending.”
Despite assurances from Rand Paul last week that he had discussed the Romney endorsement with his father, the senior Paul said he was not ready to fade away and vowed to fight on with his campaign all the way to the convention, even though victory is now impossible.
“I think it’s legitimate for us to continue to debate,” Paul said. “I know they don’t want the debate at the convention. Everything has to be smooth and proper.”
“But, you know, I helped pay for the convention because the taxpayers pay Republicans $18 million-plus. And Obama gets $18 million plus to have these grand parties. I think we should be serious and discuss differences.”
The Congressman also declined to oppose a lawsuit that has been brought against the RNC by his supporters. The suit, challenges the GOP’s “binding delegate” rule that enforces delegates in certain states to vote for the candidate who won the state primary. It argues that delegates have the “Constitutional right to vote their conscience” at the national convention.
“If they have a legitimate argument that they can make and that’s what they want to do, I’m not going to say ‘Don’t do it’,” Paul said.
Watch the video:

Appearing on MSNBC’s Morning Joe today, Paul repeated that he would not endorse Romney.
“I would say he has core convictions, but I just disagree with them,” the Congressman said.
Paul also outlined his desires for the national convention, noting that although he will not have enough delegates to “take over the convention”, he would relish a speech on the floor or failing that an on site “meeting” to influence the party platform.
“All I want to do, if I don’t get a speech on the floor in the convention, all I want to do is have a meeting and say, ‘Look, we have numbers, we have people, we have enthusiasm, we believe in something. Why don’t you pay a little attention?’ And actually I think they are. They don’t know quite how to handle it.” Paul urged.
“I think [the GOP] has lost its way. I think a long time ago. I can’t see the difference” between Presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush, Paul argued. “They’re both very militaristic, interventionist, pro-war… do Republicans really stop welfare expansion? No. Do they really cut back and balance the budget? No, they usually introduce bigger budgets.”
“When it comes to the philosophy of government, there’s not enough difference for me,” Paul concluded. “I would like to change those convictions of the Republican Party because there were times when they had much better positions. And there’s no reason why we can’t restore those and improve upon them.”
Watch the interview:

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Steve Watson is the London based writer and editor for Alex Jones’ Infowars.net, and Prisonplanet.com. He has a Masters Degree in International Relations from the School of Politics at The University of Nottingham in England.

[masterofthemoon]

Chew on that provocateurs!

[chris jones]

 Finaly

[chris jones]

P.S.
I wish he had responded immediately, WISHES*, also that he had run 3rd party.
BUT- We have know from the get go Ron is a die hard Republican.
 

[ES]

Good. I hope he endorses Johnson or whoever the Constitution party has.

[HAZMAT]

Still not sure if I trust him.

[tritonman]

Chew on that provocateurs!

Remember it is their paranoia that speaks for them.  Although they have had no where near the impact of Dr.Paul  they find they feel more important by projecting and having their paranoia accepted by others.  This all picked up steam once they knew Dr. Paul was likely not to become the nominee.  Prior to that things were much different here.  One can't really blame them for their paranoia given the fight they have undertaken.  It was the backstabbing of others that did bother me however.  Again some never did subscribe to Ron Paul's idea's and I can not fault them for that but they were few and far between prior to Rands actions.  Others judged one man falsley by the actions of another unfortunately.

[empire]

Too early to say for sure. Let's wait and see.
This is politics after all.

[EvadingGrid]

Remember it is their paranoia that speaks for them.  Although they have had no where near the impact of Dr.Paul  they find they feel more important by projecting and having their paranoia accepted by others.  This all picked up steam once they knew Dr. Paul was likely not to become the nominee.  Prior to that things were much different here.  One can't really blame them for their paranoia given the fight they have undertaken.  It was the backstabbing of others that did bother me however.  Again some never did subscribe to Ron Paul's idea's and I can not fault them for that but they were few and far between prior to Rands actions.  Others judged one man falsley by the actions of another unfortunately.

Many of us simply let the Paul machine run because he was a useful ally making noise about return to constitutional govt, and attacking the federal reserve.

That said, as he was :

Team Blue player - I do not play the Two Party Dictatorship.

Silent on 911 - Not a truther.

Austian Cult 'Economist'.

Just because many of us did not want to start some destructive infighting, please do not mistake that silence for support.

Yes, he was a useful Ally.
But no I am not at all surprised that it ended badly.

Republicans are not Truthers, they are still stuck in the Matrix.

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Here's what he gets for not endorsing Romney...trending on Yahoo.

Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitutional
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/20/ron-paul-social-security_n_1612117.html


Oh my, he's taking back the money he paid in, and not letting the feds keep it to pay for running guns, drugs and slaves.

He also thinks the income tax is unconstitutional but continues to pay it.

What kind of "truther" would ride a bandwagon they thought followed some sort of "cultist"?  Now I fully understand why I haven't been posting here lately.  

[Jacob Law]

True, about time, what took you so long? Nothing is impossible, why so negative? Hope to inject your views, how?

Did you see Luke try to inteview Rand? Who was that witch handling him? She looked like one of the Minon in the Devil's Advocate.

[tritonman]

Many of us simply let the Paul machine run because he was a useful ally

You let him run ? bwaahahahahahahahah

[tritonman]

Remember it is their paranoia that speaks for them.  Although they have had no where near the impact of Dr.Paul  they find they feel more important by projecting and having their paranoia accepted by others.  This all picked up steam once they knew Dr. Paul was likely not to become the nominee.  Prior to that things were much different here.  One can't really blame them for their paranoia given the fight they have undertaken.  It was the backstabbing of others that did bother me however.  Again some never did subscribe to Ron Paul's idea's and I can not fault them for that but they were few and far between prior to Rands actions.  Others judged one man falsley by the actions of another unfortunately.

Oh and their egos bruise easily I should have mentioned.  How dare Ron not run his platform according to each and every one of their views.   Now we have no USE for him.    Alex said, Alex said,, Alex said   bak bak bak bak,,,,bakk bak bak.

[EvadingGrid]

Oh and their egos bruise easily I should have mentioned.  How dare Ron not run his platform according to each and every one of their views.   Now we have no USE for him.    Alex said, Alex said,, Alex said   bak bak bak bak,,,,bakk bak bak.

You gonna support Mit Rommney then ?

[tritonman]

Evading, WHY in the WORLD would you even consider supporting Romney??   WTH.... I swear this place has gone mad...

[Satyagraha]

Evading, WHY in the WORLD would you even consider supporting Romney??   WTH.... I swear this place has gone mad...

Wow... that was a response worthy of the David Frum award for debate steering.

WHY in the WORLD did you think Evading Grid would support Romney? WTH ... I swear you're not even reading before you respond. 

His question was whether YOU would vote for Romney. You didn't answer, not in this thread at this point.
But you won't vote for Romney, because you've criticized him quite a bit in the past, so unless you've made some great change in your philosophy, then you won't vote for either one of the two fake-opponent-puppet candidates.

... So the question is; who will you vote for in November? Will you write-in Dr. Paul's name?
Or perhaps go with the Libertarian candidate?

That's a conundrum for many of us:  who to vote for, now that there will be no Ron Paul on the ballot.
If we're able to write him in, then that's great. But many don't have that option; or their votes will be discarded if they do.

One thing I know we both can agree on: Romney is not the 'solution'.

Besides, all we have to do is look at who supports Romney:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJNI1qw0l04

And add Jeb Bush to that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkLJNN_qioQ

And the Bilderberg group is all excited about him: Mitt Romney Promises To Continue Obama's Treason!

So we can see the 'left media' abandoning the Obama push in favor of focusing on his recent "Fast and Furious" watergate-level scandal. The timing was great - coinciding with the 'official' Bilderberg endorsement of Romney, the great propaganda machine is now 'on-board' with the Romney choice.

But really, we know about the left/right paradigm; the fact that there's one body above it all - controlling the puppet du jour:
And there's no difference whether you vote for Obama, or you vote for Romney. The agenda will continue:

Obama's Campaign Donors                   Romney's Campaign Donors
     

The surveillance grid team support for Obama is well-represented. And the Banksters are all in for Romney.

Either way, we lose.

Ron Paul is determined to influence the GOP, from within the GOP, in an effort to change the party for the better.
I wish him well with that - but hope that the Ron Paul delegates DON'T support Romney at the GOP Convention.

Romney is NWO. Obama is NWO.
You can't vote for either of them and consider yourself anti-NWO.

[tritonman]

Look he was the one who pretended not to know that I was NOT voting for Romney/  keep me the hell out of it...  I can speak for myself thank you very much..  Speaking of stearing you are doing pretty well at it yourself.
For the record I never have stated nor will I ever state I am backing Romney, but then you already knew that.  To bring this up is absolutely nuts but keep in mind I am not the one who did so ..  
Everyone here knew that I was not supporting Romney and the question was SILLY......  Thus a silly responce.

[egypt]

I feel Ron Paul's kinda late declaration that he would not endorse Romney is lame.

We should take a closer look at Sheriff Mack.  He is running for Congress.  He told me that someone has to take Ron Paul's place there, now that Ron Paul has retired and he is going there to be that man.

I know this.  Rand Paul does not have my vote for anything - especially if he runs for President.  How can I support someone who supports what Romney is about?  No Way.  But, for me it goes a step further in seeing Rand's lack of integrity.  How can I even begin to support someone who duped their own constituents?  He presented himself one way, then ran turncoat.   Rand Paul is just another one of the gangster mob with no values, in my opinion.

For one thing.  Anyone knows that no matter what Rand Paul is promised, or given by the GOP machine aka The Elite, they would NEVER even begin to let Rand Paul anywhere near their power structure.  He would be killed first, if nothing else.  So this idea, that Rand Paul has something up his sleeve wherein he'll takeover the GOP, or have any kind of power/influence is ridiculous and delusional thinking.  Ron Paul's SON?  We already know elitist obsession regarding lineages, families and genetics.  Take the JFK scene as an example.

The elitists won with regard to Rand and Ron Paul.  The Pauls have discredited themselves.  Oh my, the delight in this.   The Liberty Movement?  aaah well -- we are used to the bad press, right?  Doesn't affect good ideas for Liberty at all!

For the record.  I support those who promote Liberty and the Constitution.  I view others who oppose Liberty and the Consitution to be in favor of seeing an extinct Humanity.

[tritonman]

I feel Ron Paul's kinda late declaration that he would not endorse Romney is lame.

For Real??  You actually believed he needed to??
Are you now going to be coming here next to declare you do not beat your children or worship at the grove?  Ron Paul never gave any indication what so ever he was going to back Romney any more than you gave indications of beating your children or worshiping at the grove.  Ron Paul is not our scape goat the last I checked at least.   I believe anyone should vote for their choice and can find no fault with that.  That is our right, but at least be fair to the man and give credit where it is due...

I do not even know 100 percent for sure  that Ron Paul will not be on the ballot however it is unlikely it would seem.  That being said , there is still a lot of time between now and november and I am going to have to see how things play out all the way around before making a final choice.  Romney and  Obomber are out indeed but I still have choices to make.  Perhaps a write in for Paul or another candidate.  I just can not be sure at this early stage.

[egypt]

Tritonman,

My statement is based in that Rand and Ron Paul's coordination with Rand's endorsement of Romney is blatant.  This to me, gives the stamp of approval by Ron Paul on Rand's stance.  Also, they live together when in Washington DC.  Ron Paul's silence and a late/lame statement also tells me he supports his son's endorsement of Romney...

?  It follows that if he supports his son's stance, that he himself supports Romney.     I do not know.   Like you, I will wait and see.

I understand that you seem emotional over what has happened.  But.  We all knew that ~even if~ somehow Ron Paul were elected President, that there is no way he would be allowed to walk into that White House and act as President...  Truly it was a given, anyway, he wouldn't be on the ballot.  This is despite the fact that he really did win the primaries.

Have you considered a mind-control aspect in what has happened?  Those 30-minute tete-a-tetes that Rand had with Romney would be perfect for that to happen.

Right on the Ballot where we live, it says it is "illegal" to write in a name.   I hope this isn't the case in other States.  Romney was Elitist choice from the beginning (financial backing of candidates by the Elite showed this).  All was a stage and play toward that regard.

When it comes to your statements about:

1. I don't have kids (beating my kids)
2. I protested the last Bohemian Grove and don't attend except in that context (worship at Bohemian Grove)

What about the part where Ron Paul could run on a 3rd Party ticket?  Is that out of the question, now?  If he did that with his same Liberty/Constitution platform, I would vote for him.

[tritonman]

Tritonman,

My statement is based in that Rand and Ron Paul's coordination with Rand's endorsement of Romney is blatant.  This to me, gives the stamp of approval by Ron Paul on Rand's stance.  Also, they live together when in Washington DC.  Ron Paul's silence and a late/lame statement also tells me he supports his son's endorsement of Romney...

?  It follows that if he supports his son's stance, that he himself supports Romney.     I do not know.   Like you, I will wait and see.

There was no coordination that anyone has shown////
There never was a "stamp of approval""///
Ron NEVER in any way hinted he would support Romney...  People hoping to sink his campaign did however.

His statement on the matter was very clear for those wishing to understand his posisition or those who remain clueless yet....
If he ran as a third party they would still  vote for him after calling him a liar on this matter ?? Really??


Ron Paul: There’s “No Way” I’m Endorsing Romney
                   
“He has the delegates, but he doesn’t have the hearts and the minds of the people”
Steve Watson
Prisonplanet.com
June 20, 2012

Congressman Ron Paul has appeared on two major news networks and declared that there is “no way” he will endorse Mitt Romney for president.
On last night’s Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer, Paul said that despite his own son’s endorsement for Romney, he would not be throwing his hat in with the former Massachusetts governor.
“Well, it looks like he has the delegates, yes,” Paul told Blitzer. “But he doesn’t have the control of the hearts and the minds of the people. And right now a lot of people — a lot of delegates who are pledged to vote for Romney are actually very strong supporters of ours and will be strongly supporting us when we want to put things into the platform that say, hey, we don’t need another war. Yes, we do need to audit the Federal Reserve. Yes, we ought to really cut spending.”
Despite assurances from Rand Paul last week that he had discussed the Romney endorsement with his father, the senior Paul said he was not ready to fade away and vowed to fight on with his campaign all the way to the convention, even though victory is now impossible.
“I think it’s legitimate for us to continue to debate,” Paul said. “I know they don’t want the debate at the convention. Everything has to be smooth and proper.”
“But, you know, I helped pay for the convention because the taxpayers pay Republicans $18 million-plus. And Obama gets $18 million plus to have these grand parties. I think we should be serious and discuss differences.”
The Congressman also declined to oppose a lawsuit that has been brought against the RNC by his supporters. The suit, challenges the GOP’s “binding delegate” rule that enforces delegates in certain states to vote for the candidate who won the state primary. It argues that delegates have the “Constitutional right to vote their conscience” at the national convention.
“If they have a legitimate argument that they can make and that’s what they want to do, I’m not going to say ‘Don’t do it’,” Paul said.
Watch the video:

Appearing on MSNBC’s Morning Joe today, Paul repeated that he would not endorse Romney.
“I would say he has core convictions, but I just disagree with them,” the Congressman said.
Paul also outlined his desires for the national convention, noting that although he will not have enough delegates to “take over the convention”, he would relish a speech on the floor or failing that an on site “meeting” to influence the party platform.
“All I want to do, if I don’t get a speech on the floor in the convention, all I want to do is have a meeting and say, ‘Look, we have numbers, we have people, we have enthusiasm, we believe in something. Why don’t you pay a little attention?’ And actually I think they are. They don’t know quite how to handle it.” Paul urged.
“I think [the GOP] has lost its way. I think a long time ago. I can’t see the difference” between Presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush, Paul argued. “They’re both very militaristic, interventionist, pro-war… do Republicans really stop welfare expansion? No. Do they really cut back and balance the budget? No, they usually introduce bigger budgets.”
“When it comes to the philosophy of government, there’s not enough difference for me,” Paul concluded. “I would like to change those convictions of the Republican Party because there were times when they had much better positions. And there’s no reason why we can’t restore those and improve upon them.”
Watch the interview:

[egypt]

tritonman,

Thank you for the information.  Just what is up with Rand Paul?  I have heard him speak and thought he was right on board with Liberty/Constitution.  What is this "timing" with his "endorsement" of Romney?  Sounds like a daemon-son from hades to me!

Ron Paul has basically retired.  He'll not run for Congress again and knows that short of a well-executed kinetic action, he would not be instilled as President.   Might this be where he comes from -- might as well support his progeny?

Alex is so right on about campaign visuals.  None of the candidates show in yards/bumpers except for Ron Paul.  In Southern NV there were a couple of Romney signs placed next to Ron Paul ones.  We traveled all over for 3 months (Nevada, California, Utah, Idaho, Montana, Washington, Oregon) and this was the true case...

So, in this regard, Ron Paul does have the hearts and minds!  Not only that:  Delegates = Heart & Minds (last I knew)    Strange statement by Watson, but.. I can see why it was made with this bruhaha.

Maybe we can get Lord Monckton to run for President since citizenship of any kind as a requirement has been thrown out the window.

Mitt Romney is NOT a natural-born citizen of the United States and according to the Constitution is not eligible to run for President.  His father was born in Mexico = done deal according to The Definition of a "Natural-Born Citizen."   Natural-Born Citizen is not some made-up, concoction by the Founding Fathers.  It was a well-known and discussed concept by many nations and means a specific thing.







Love, e

[empire]

Folks the bottom line is that the Ron (and Rand) Paul movement is dead, and you guys are more than likely arguing over a non-issue IMO. Long live liberty.

[egypt]

empire,

Please define what you call the "Ron (and Rand) Paul movement" as even though I campaign for Ron Paul, I do not know of one.

[EvadingGrid]

It is over.

All these threads are about are letting people vent a little emotion.

[empire]

empire,

Please define what you call the "Ron (and Rand) Paul movement" as even though I campaign for Ron Paul, I do not know of one.

I was just using a little artistic licence to make a point.
In my eyes Ron and Rand Paul's credibility have been damaged beyond repair, there is no coming back from this. I'm not saying Ron is a bad guy but in terms of having that platform of support and political capital, well I believe that has now largely been eroded.

[tritonman]

So many more people would prefer an Obama or Romney presidency to that of Dr.Paul.  I just find this so disturbing after all the work we have done to educate people.

[empire]

So many more people would prefer an Obama or Romney presidency to that of Dr.Paul.  I just find this so disturbing after all the work we have done to educate people.

Seriously, that's trolling 101 right there.
Where do you even get a hint that that's what people are saying here

[tritonman]

Empire you can not possibly be that clueless??? Really??  Do you ever come into contact with the public at all??
I sure would be interested in knowing what part of the country you come from that Ron Paul is doing so well.  

However please keep in mind that Ron Paul was more the idea of liberty than the actual presidency, not that the latter would not make a great bonus.   Ron Paul has done his job of waking up so many young people to the idea of liberty and that message is still going forward and will continue to do so long after his passing the scene, The reLOVEution has begun indeed.
     None of this however changes the facts that stand and many are still hopelessly lost in the Obama/Romney lie...  At least anywhere I am hearing from......
By the way, calling someone a troll with zero evidence is actually a trolling 101 play.   Do try bring some facts with you if you are going to make silly claims in the future.

[egypt]

empire trolls

[empire]

Empire you can not possibly be that clueless??? Really??  Do you ever come into contact with the public at all??
I sure would be interested in knowing what part of the country you come from that Ron Paul is doing so well.  

However please keep in mind that Ron Paul was more the idea of liberty than the actual presidency, not that the latter would not make a great bonus.   Ron Paul has done his job of waking up so many young people to the idea of liberty and that message is still going forward and will continue to do so long after his passing the scene, The reLOVEution has begun indeed.
     None of this however changes the facts that stand and many are still hopelessly lost in the Obama/Romney lie...  At least anywhere I am hearing from......
By the way, calling someone a troll with zero evidence is actually a trolling 101 play.   Do try bring some facts with you if you are going to make silly claims in the future.

Speed reading for the fail I thought you were referring to myself and others here on then forums My bad..

[EvadingGrid]

Speed reading for the fail I thought you were referring to myself and others here on then forums My bad..

Yea, but you get bonus points for admitting your "bad", so all is not lost.  

[empire]

Yea, but you get bonus points for admitting your "bad", so all is not lost.  

I knew there was a reason I liked this place

So does that mean I avoided pulling a "Ron Paul"..

[EvadingGrid]

I knew there was a reason I liked this place

[donnay]

To my way of thinking; they have taken the press box, the jury box, the ballot box and next they are coming for the cartridge box.  We must never lose focus.  It was never about Ron Paul, it was about his message.

We should stop fooling ourselves that voting matters--because it doesn't.

Idea's are bullet proof!

The idea is that you gain knowledge and know that this fight is going to have to be taken individually.  By that I mean, Individual Resistance is the only way to fight this beast.

[empire]

So many more people would prefer an Obama or Romney presidency to that of Dr.Paul.  I just find this so disturbing after all the work we have done to educate people.

I don't think we should underestimate the influence Paul has had. To my mind he has woken up a lot of people in the US, creating a third dimension to US politics. Breaking people out of a paradigm that has ruled their entire lives is not as simple as one would hope, but the message Paul delivered has contributed to that, and the liberty movement has gained a huge boost from his campaign. With or without Ron Paul on board, the liberty movement moves forward and is better off now thanks to him, and in the end that's all that counts.

[Satyagraha]

I don't think we should underestimate the influence Paul has had. To my mind he has woken up a lot of people in the US...

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