Ron Paul, doing what he does so very well, Syria speech 6/19

[tritonman]

Ron Paul speaks about Syria Intervention on House Floor 6/19/12

   GoRon Go give em what for.  There are still many of us who appreciate all you do for us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEGJdU02r2U&feature=youtu.be

[Satyagraha]

Ron Paul speaks about Syria Intervention on House Floor 6/19/12

   GoRon Go give em what for.  There are still many of us who appreciate all you do for us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEGJdU02r2U&feature=youtu.be

And there are those of us who realize that perpetuating the myth of the "official" report of the 911 false flag is destructive to our efforts to expose and bring the real criminals to justice. And there are those of us who get angry when the 911 myth is perpetuated by someone who espouses the ideals of freedom and liberty, and chooses to ignore the biggest hoax of our age.
We appreciate his calls for restraint, and we are disappointed that he apparently buys the 'official' report hook, line and sinker.

“We must abandon our military effort to promote and secure an American empire. Besides, we’re broke. We can’t afford it and, worst of all, we’re fulfilling the strategy laid out by Osama Bin Laden, who’s goal had always been to bog us down in the Middle East, and bring on our bankruptcy here at home. “ - Ron Paul, June 19, 2012 before Congress.

That statement qualifies my description of "hook, line and sinker". But it's too late to use the excuse that Ron Paul has "hasn't got enough time", "has more important things to do", "is busy with 'end the Fed', or that the subject is "too controversial, and would impede his run for president".

Osama Bin Laden did not destroy our economy; it was taken down by design.
Osama Bin Laden did not move all the jobs to India and China.
Osama Bin Laden did not give the international banksters huge 'bailouts'.
Osama Bin Laden did not install all the surveillance cameras across the country.
Osama Bin Laden did not write the "Patriot Act."
Osama Bin Laden did not build and deploy the drones that are currently spying on American citizens.
Osama Bin Laden did not build the FEMA camps.
Osama Bin Laden did not draft the NDAA.

But Osama Bin Laden is the perfect scapegoat for the destruction of our liberties.

The acceleration of the destruction of our liberties was enhanced, through 'shock and awe', "you're with us or you're with the terrorists", the fear-mongering 'terrorist alert level red/yellow/orange' psyop, and "post 911 world" propaganda spun out of the 911 false flag - gaining citizens' support for their own enslavement.

That 'support' has facilitated the breakneck speed at which we have lost more freedoms than any time in history.

Go Ron Go?
How about "WAKE UP RON WAKE UP!"



Q: Many of your supporters call themselves 911 Truthers. They believe that the US government was in some way complicit with the 911 attacks, or covered it up. Are you tonight prepared to either embrace that rhetoric, or ask those supporters to abandon it, or divorce themselves from your candidacy?

Ron Paul: “I can’t tell people what to do, but I’ve abandoned those viewpoints, I don’t believe that and that’s the only thing that is important. And so I don’t endorse anything they say...”

Q: Would you ask them to cease that rhetoric tonight on your behalf?

Ron Paul:  “Well it doesn’t do me any good, so if they care about me they should, but the only thing I have control over is what I believe and what I say, I can’t tell them what to do, so I don’t endorse what they say, and I don’t believe that...”

[Geolibertarian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhQ8xi312l8

Q: Many of your supporters call themselves 911 Truthers. They believe that the US government was in some way complicit with the 911 attacks, or covered it up. Are you tonight prepared to either embrace that rhetoric, or ask those supporters to abandon it, or divorce themselves from your candidacy?

Ron Paul: “I can’t tell people what to do, but I’ve abandoned those viewpoints, I don’t believe that and that’s the only thing that is important. And so I don’t endorse anything they say...”

Q: Would you ask them to cease that rhetoric tonight on your behalf?

Ron Paul:  “Well it doesn’t do me any good, so if they care about me they should, but the only thing I have control over is what I believe and what I say, I can’t tell them what to do, so I don’t endorse what they say, and I don’t believe that...”

Have you seen this? (Scroll to 5:26):

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNNPNga0CYg

Paul Craig Roberts got it right:

"America’s fate was sealed when the public and the anti-war movement bought the government’s 9/11 conspiracy theory. The government’s account of 9/11 is contradicted by much evidence. Nevertheless, this defining event of our time, which has launched the US on interminable wars of aggression and a domestic police state, is a taboo topic for investigation in the media. It is pointless to complain of war and a police state when one accepts the premise upon which they are based." -- Paul Craig Roberts

[tritonman]

Ron Paul speaks about Syria Intervention on House Floor 6/19/12

   GoRon Go give em what for.  There are still many of us who appreciate all you do for us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEGJdU02r2U&feature=youtu.be

I would hate to loose the great message for what ever reason you choose.  It bears repeating this man did more for the movement than any of us here ever hoped we could and many of us appreciate his tireless efforts/  
But then many who now say they do not ,in fact did prior to his sons backing of
Romney.  How very sad for people like that.  They overlooked any of his shortcomings for all of the good hard work he did.  Now they want to turn on him and will soon be wondering why people run from their endorsements after the way they treated Ron Paul  ... I for one know I would not blame them one little bit for it...  

So YES INDEED  ,,,,Go Ron Go,,,, Keep on doing what you do best and better than any other man or woman in our movement.  

We knew your position on 9/11 and still we supported you oh yes we did..  Many of us will not be joining in the party of putting you down now that you are leaving your post as our esteemed and most diligant watchman.  So for those of us without bittnerness over your son's actions   ..Goddluck Ron and Godspeed./

[Effie Trinket]

Ron Paul speaks about Syria Intervention on House Floor 6/19/12

   GoRon Go give em what for.  There are still many of us who appreciate all you do for us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEGJdU02r2U&feature=youtu.be

“We must abandon our military effort to promote and secure an American empire. Besides, we’re broke. We can’t afford it and, worst of all, we’re fulfilling the strategy laid out by Osama Bin Laden, who’s goal had always been to bog us down in the Middle East, and bring on our bankruptcy here at home. “ - Ron Paul, June 19, 2012 before Congress.


My blood almost f*cking boiled when I heard this f*cking lie while eating dinner.  I'm glad I never gave one single God damned red cent to this fake defender of liberty.  That's God damned right--FAKE DEFENDER OF LIBERTY.  It is 100% impossible to be against the "wars" while still propping up the official Bin Laden lie as if he had F_UCK ALL to do with why we were in Afghanistan.  Now it's clear to me why the New World Order allows this man to live--because he's pushing the blowback and official 9/11/Afghanistan war lie, and Ron Paul also supports the RMA (even though I do not believe he even knows what the RMA is)--he does so whether he realizes it or not.  Shameful as all hell, inexcusable, indefensible, wickedly sickening pathetic bullsh*t.  

It doesn't count that you want to do anything against the federal reserve when you support the official 9/11 excuse for attacking Afghanistan, prolonging the "war", and defending a proven patsy.

It doesn't count that you've had a 30 year voting record that is nearly impeccable minus the vote for the Afghan war (I don't even want to hear excuses defending this)

It makes absolutely zero sense, and is monumentally, epically hypocritical to have publicly stated that "the CIA needs to be taken out", and to publicly state that "I'm worried about a false flag", while simultaneously holding the position of the military industrial complex official mythology that Bin Laden was allegedly why we attacked Afghanistan.  ZERO F_CKING SENSE.

Ron Paul just shit on the graves of every man woman and child that died in Afghanistan and Iraq, by citing a fake reason that all of these people allegedly lost their lives over.

Look at how f*cked real 9/11 truthers are now when they want to go out and wake people up about 9/11:  "9/11 was a false flag attack carried out by the New World Order"--response from someone aware of Ron Paul's statements:  "But Ron Paul doesn't believe that, he said Bin Laden had gotten us bogged down in the Afghanistan war, and that later it is good that he was killed by smaller, elite units instead of massive invasions like Iraq.  You're not calling Ron Paul, the defender of Liberty, a liar now are you?  Don't you realize how ridiculous Ron Paul makes all you 9/11 twoofers look?"

You see how this scumbag piece of shit Ron Paul has f*cked anyone talking about the now known facts of 9/11?  His group-think/hero worship has poisoned the minds of God knows how many.  Because Of Ron Paul, now even "awake" people might as well be no different than dumbass sheep, because even "awake" Ron Paul supporters won't take them seriously now.

Anyone who supports Ron Paul might as well adopt the official 9/11 lie as well.  I'm glad that I don't have to go outside tomorrow and use a steam gun to remove a pro-Ron Paul bumpersticker from the back of my car, because there was never one there to begin with.  Know why?  because I know full God-damned well that unless AT LEAST ONE PERSON within the U.S. that has been proven to be involved in 9/11 is arrested and indicted for high treason and mass murder, THAT THIS COUNTRY IS ABSOLUTELY GOD-DAMNED F*CKED, F*CKED, F*CKED, F*CKED, F*CKED.  

But the stupid shit for brains public got mesmerized by memes like "End The Fed", which isn't good enough, and isn't a substitute for calling out the real 9/11 perpetrators, the real architects of the "wars", the real reasons for the "wars".  But nope, tens of millions of shit for brains Americans too God-damned lazy to think for themselves, too afraid to question the all-mighty "30 year voting record", and the magical future federal reserve trump card that would magically simultaneously indict all of the real 9/11 perpetrators if the fed suddenly was ended.  Keep drinking f*cking Kool-Aid folks.  I exposed this son of a bitch a long time ago, and got viciously attacked for it.  Yeah, I was way more diplomatic back then, but then there's this new statement by the deceiver who gets continually photoshopped with a constitution superimposed.  I guess all of you Ron Paul slaves must have thought Bin Laden attacked you for your freedom, and that's why Bin laden took all your freedom away, and not an unelected elite who has most everyone in government at virtual gunpoint to do their bidding.

When Ron Paul publicly admits the real reasons we invaded Afghanistan, I will be the 1st person to apologize for my incendiary semantic carpet bombing.  But until that happens, every God damned word I said is well deserved against a man who has the shameless, nonchalant ignorance of audacity (I'm not sure which, either one is insane) to say:  “We must abandon our military effort to promote and secure an American empire. Besides, we’re broke. We can’t afford it and, worst of all, we’re fulfilling the strategy laid out by Osama Bin Laden, who’s goal had always been to bog us down in the Middle East, and bring on our bankruptcy here at home"

[Geolibertarian]

To clarify, I don't think that Ron Paul should be demonized, just that we shouldn't err in the opposite direction by acting as though each and every thing he says is above and beyond scrutiny merely because he is the one who said it.

"Trust but verify," yes.

But also remember who the real enemy is:

     http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=216458.msg1295756#msg1295756

[tritonman]

“We must abandon our military effort to promote and secure an American empire. Besides, we’re broke. We can’t afford it and, worst of all, we’re fulfilling the strategy laid out by Osama Bin Laden, who’s goal had always been to bog us down in the Middle East, and bring on our bankruptcy here at home. “ - Ron Paul, June 19, 2012 before Congress.

At least Ron Paul is speaking the TRUTH in that statement ..  This was Bin Ladins goal and it is working..  No matter who Bin Ladin works for this was his wish even if he had handlers who wished the same.  The diatribe is unwarented in this case.  Given that the facts stand with Ron Paul on this statement no matter if you liked it or not.

[PeaceAndFreedom]

At least Ron Paul is speaking the TRUTH in that statement ..  This was Bin Ladins goal and it is working..  No matter who Bin Ladin works for this was his wish even if he had handlers who wished the same.  The diatribe is unwarented in this case.  Given that the facts stand with Ron Paul on this statement no matter if you liked it or not.

True, but we must understand the rage many here feel about Paul's championing what amounts to a controlled opposition view (the Michael Scheuer blowback notions). It clearly has been difficult to get the public to hear the sweet reason of non-intervention, no matter how often Paul has argued for it, because he has refused to attack the major premise for people's embrace of intervention. It's like he's been advocating cleaning out the zoo, while leaving the elephant in it.

More saddening is how the compromises Paul made on 9-11 have blunted the momentum of the truth movement over the last 5 years. 9-11 truth was going full team circa 2006-7, when the grassroots largely decided to transfer that energy into the Paul movement. Going from our providing early funding to launch the Paul campaign, to seeing him distance himself from truthers, was not only painful from the point of view of abandoning the truth, but because by the time it happened he had firmly established himself as in the control position insofar as the "liberty movement" was concerned, to the exclusion of anybody else being treated as reputable.

Many Paul supporters frankly have used him as a shield ever since, to say, "stay away from that crazy truther stuff, or that ranting Jones guy." Perhaps with the end of the Paul era in sight, there is a possibility of rebuilding the momentum of the truth movement, that was sacrificed in 2007 onwards to support his candidacy.

[tritonman]

Many Paul supporters frankly have used him as a shield ever since, to say, "stay away from that crazy truther stuff, or that ranting Jones guy." Perhaps with the end of the Paul era in sight, there is a possibility of rebuilding the momentum of the truth movement, that was sacrificed in 2007 onwards to support his candidacy.

I find myself becoming disgusted with the whole movement the more Paul is used as a punching bag by the movement as a whole.  I am learning much about those who I thought  I could trust and I am not likeing what I see,  So be it and I am sure I will be a better and happier man for it when all is said and done.  At present rate the forum will be blaming Paul for space alien attacks.

[Valerius]

...  At present rate the forum will be blaming Paul for space alien attacks.

And Obama will offer amnesty if they graduate from high school