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« on: June 15, 2012, 07:42:25 AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cC0Ovm-3-Y

Phone conversation recorded by Carol Paul saying Ron Paul wasn't informed about Rand endorsing Romney

Also video of wearechange talking to Rand Paul


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?380754-Rand-Paul-Confronted-on-Mitt-Romney-Endorsement-by-wearechange
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« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2012, 07:47:27 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2012, 08:51:21 AM »

So Ron says he didn't know, now that's on a level that he was well aware or he would have publicly disowned his kid.
 Old testament stuff, didn't King David have a son betray him, if I remember right it caused a battle and his son was killed..
 Loving daddy, real cute, pat sonny on the head and F**K the people, honor and integrity.
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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2012, 11:45:47 AM »

Two points here.

How could Rand and Ron share the same apartment and Ron not know about this?

How could Rand do this and not realize all the negative repercussions that would come from it? The whole thing is strange.
Even when Rand went of Fox News to make his announcement,Sean Hannity  had a look on his face like WTF!
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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2012, 12:03:53 PM »

What I really want to know is WHY all of a sudden Ron Paul is NOT SAYING ANYTHING when for years he was always out spoken.  Why now right after bilderberg did this happen and why is his wife his mouthpiece?
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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2012, 12:40:59 PM »

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=233200.msg1361801#msg1361801
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« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2012, 12:48:57 PM »

What I really want to know is WHY all of a sudden Ron Paul is NOT SAYING ANYTHING when for years he was always out spoken.  Why now right after bilderberg did this happen and why is his wife his mouthpiece?

In light of all the time and money his grassroots supporters have invested in his campaign for the past seven or eight months, I think those are questions that deserve an answer.

Has anyone even seen Ron Paul this week?

Did he take some time out to recover from the enormous stress of the campaign? If so, then that's perfectly understandable. But if that's all it is, then why not simply tell us?
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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2012, 02:08:43 PM »

In Ron's defense, as his email this week explains, he's been busy trying to get Audit the Fed passed this week. I think that may have been a stipulation of his meetings with Bernanke and Romney the past few weeks: Lay off threatening to upend our fraudulent election at the conventions (which usually gets outsiders killed), and we'll let you pass Audit the Fed.
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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2012, 02:19:58 PM »

In Ron's defense, as his email this week explains, he's been busy trying to get Audit the Fed passed this week.

So now we're back to the "too busy" excuse again -- the same excuse that's been used for the past three months to justify why he hasn't co-sponsored the impeachment resolution.

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I think that may have been a stipulation of his meetings with Bernanke and Romney the past few weeks: Lay off threatening to upend our fraudulent election at the conventions (which usually gets outsiders killed), and we'll let you pass Audit the Fed.

Then again it may "not" have. Guess we'll find out one way or the other soon enough. Time has a way of revealing the underlying truth of things.
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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2012, 07:00:34 PM »

So now we're back to the "too busy" excuse again -- the same excuse that's been used for the past three months to justify why he hasn't co-sponsored the impeachment resolution.

Then again it may "not" have. Guess we'll find out one way or the other soon enough. Time has a way of revealing the underlying truth of things.
End the Fed was a battlecry, now its an audit. Who will be appointed to audit, Holder maby Embarrassed
 Whatever (the  R.P's)  the hell was done behiind closed doors we will never be privy to. I wish I had a more time in this life, mayby in another 50 years JFK's true assassins will be exposed, my point, the elites and their minions have methods of keeping  STATE secrets, matters of N.S..
 I was blind but now I see, I confess in my younger years  I was nieve, a true believer in any and all U.S. authority, a typical brainwashed citizen. To come to terms with reality was not a walk in the park. I am priledged to see the young Americans come to an understanding as to the real world, please use this awakening to your advantage, all we have taken for granted in this nation was paid for in the blood of honorable men and woman. People of soul and integrity created this nation, is it perfect, no, but it the best we have if we stick to our rights. Rant over, buckle up, be prepared.
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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2012, 08:37:38 PM »

It is time for our forum members who can do so much better than Ron Paul to put up or shut the hell up.  Go take his place if you think you can do better lol.  Sour grapes is getting really old around here. lol.  Good luck if you think you can torpedo our freedom movement  just by bad mouthing our leaders,  with backers like some of you who  in hell needs an enemy.  If no one can please you well fine , just have the BALLS to admit it.  Wink
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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2012, 08:55:38 PM »

It is time for our forum members who can do so much better than Ron Paul to put up or shut the hell up.  Go take his place if you think you can do better lol.  Sour grapes is getting really old around here.

Alex himself has had some less-than-praiseworthy things to say about our "leader" this week, so perhaps you should call his show and lecture him as well.

Be sure to explain to him why certain people should always be above and beyond scrutiny, no matter how questionable their behavior.
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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2012, 08:59:35 PM »

Alex himself has had some less-than-praiseworthy things to say about our "leader" this week, so perhaps you should call his show and lecture him as well.
Both you and Alex are free to fill Dr. Paul's shoes if you think you can, have at it. Wink  good luck with that.
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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2012, 09:04:33 PM »

Both you and Alex are free to fill Dr. Paul's shoes if you think you can, have at it. Wink  good luck with that.

If you criticize Obama, and an Obama cultist responds by saying -- "If you think you can do better as President, then have at it. Good luck with that." -- how would you respond?
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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2012, 09:13:59 PM »

I would say nothing as I am not backing Obama  and could care less what his socialist backers claim. Grin  I do however support Ron Paul.  Remember it is not Ron Paul who changed it was some of his fair weathered supporters who are turning tail now that things look tuff.  If that shoe fits either you or Alex so be it, however as I recall you never did wear those shoes /
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« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2012, 09:20:27 PM »

Lets all cut it out, we just don't know how this is going to work out.

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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2012, 09:32:15 PM »

Lets all cut it out, we just don't know how this is going to work out.

Romans 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

To that I would add:

"For unto whomsoever much is given [e.g., campaign donations], of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much [e.g., time, money and sweat], of him they will ask the more." -- Luke 12:48
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« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2012, 09:40:12 PM »

Yes, and Ron Paul has certainly given Much more than anyone here ever dreamed of being able to thankfully. I agree it was expected of him. Now it is time his supporters  do their part and not turn and run away. Wink

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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2012, 09:44:22 PM »

If you criticize Obama, and an Obama cultist responds by saying -- "If you think you can do better as President, then have at it. Good luck with that." -- how would you respond?

Ron Paul did it for me better than I could.
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« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2012, 10:16:56 PM »

Yes, and Ron Paul has certainly given Much more than anyone here ever dreamed of being able to thankfully. I agree it was expected of him. Now it is time his supporters do their part and not turn and run away.

Translation: "Now is not the time for independent thought. Groupthink is needed now more than ever."

And this mentality distinguishes Ron Paul supporters from the Obama supporters of '08 how, exactly?

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What set off this whole controversy in the first place was Rand Paul's endorsement of Mitt Romney, and the question this raised as to whether or not this was done with Ron's blessing.

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT0TQSZhwfM

And the simple fact is that Ron doesn't even mention either Rand or Mitt's name in the above clip, let alone address said question.

His supporters deserve better than this, and you should frankly be ashamed of yourself for essentially accusing them of "blasphemy" and of "losing the faith" merely for wanting to have a say in how their money is spent.

This is supposed to be a political campaign, not a personality cult. The more you and others imply otherwise, the more you emulate the very things we were making fun of Obama worshipers (and rightly so) for doing four years ago:

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q9nTfXh1eQ
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« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2012, 10:41:51 PM »

Translation: "Now is not the time for independent thought. Groupthink is needed now more than ever."

And this mentality distinguishes Ron Paul supporters from the Obama supporters of '08 how, exactly?

Translation: The very best I could come up with is to attempt to put words in others mouths that suits my claim best even though false. 
If you can not tell the difference between Ron Paul and Obama and like wise their supporters you are more cluesless than I ever thought possible.
    I certainly would never find you guitly for what your child did if you had one.  Unfortunately you would not be so honorable to myself. Wink
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« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2012, 10:55:03 PM »

I've been pretty disappointed over the Rand-Mitt-Ron fiasco, but also hate to see it divide the movement and cause in-fighting.
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« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2012, 10:58:47 PM »

I've been pretty disappointed over the Rand-Mitt-Ron fiasco, but also hate to see it divide the movement and cause in-fighting.
That was the goal all along more than likely and unfortunately it seems to be working all to well.
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« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2012, 11:16:25 PM »

That was the goal all along more than likely and unfortunately it seems to be working all to well.
Ron Paul's final term as a Texas Congressman comes to an end in January 2013.  Then he is officially retired from political office.  It's a devastating blow to cast aside 30 years of principles simply to tee up his son's political future.  I'm trying to keep myself from assuming the worst about this, but it isn't easy.
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« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2012, 11:25:33 PM »

Ron Paul's final term as a Texas Congressman comes to an end in January 2013.  Then he is officially retired from political office.  It's a devastating blow to cast aside 30 years of principles simply to tee up his son's political future.  I'm trying to keep myself from assuming the worst about this, but it isn't easy.
You are not doing so well at it. lol.  All we have is assumption in this case and well, you know what happens after assuming.  Nothing we have seen from Dr. Paul is any different than prior to Rands statement.  Wild assumptions have been tearing the movement apart, someone needs to put an end to the stupid speculation here.  I get people upset with Rand backing Romney totally, but to make the wild jump that Ron Paul is guilty for that well that is something else entirely.  Nor do I imagine in my wildest dreams that he should have to explain his son's actions any more than I could if it were my kid. 
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« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2012, 01:12:49 AM »

Jim Tucker
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Estulin: Elitists Consider Assassinating Ron Paul
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/ron_paul_estulin_bbg_consider_assassinate_rp.htm

Unless tucker and estulin are now  racist genocidal freemasons too? Because it certainly makes loads of sense to target your inside man. So tarpley, watt and all the other arm chair crusaders can suck on that.
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Wild assumptions have been tearing the movement apart, someone needs to put an end to the stupid speculation here.  I get people upset with Rand backing Romney totally, but to make the wild jump that Ron Paul is guilty for that well that is something else entirely.  Nor do I imagine in my wildest dreams that he should have to explain his son's actions any more than I could if it were my kid. 


Is The Ron Paul Era Over? Jon Rappoport Reports

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Published on Jun 12, 2012 by TheAlexJonesChannel

Last week, Ron Paul announced he had lost his battle for the nomination. He urged his troops not to disrupt the Republican Party machinery in Tampa at the convention. In a coordinated declaration, his son, Senator Rand Paul, endorsed Obama's twin, Romney, for president.

This has caused an explosion in the ranks of Ron's supporters, Tea Parties, other Constitutionalists, and people who prize individual freedom and also vote. That's a lot of people.

But was Ron ever intending to re-shape the Republican Party? Was that his proactive goal? Was he campaigning to win the nomination and become the titular head of the Republican Party and call the shots? Was he truly working to become the next president? Was he striving all-out to clean out corruption in Washington? Those are all heavy objectives.

Most importantly, when it surfaced there was the possibility he had actually won the Primaries in the first several states and had been robbed by his own Party; and when, much later, his campaign workers were going into states where delegates weren't legally bound to vote for the announced Primary winner and grabbing off those delegates, did Ron come out and say, YES, LET'S DO IT, LET'S RECLAIM THE STATES THAT ARE OURS AND LET'S UPSET THE WHOLE APPLECART? DID HE? DID HE STAGE AN ALL-OUT REVOLT? DID HE SAY THE MAJOR POLITICAL PARTIES ARE ONE BODY WITH TWO HEADS? DID HE LEAD THE CHARGE FOR A PALACE REVOLUTION?

Was that his goal?

We saw no real evidence of it.

Unless Ron comes out now and makes a tremendously convincing speech that explains his current position and reaffirms his underlying values, his political career on the national stage is finished. And if he imagines his son, Rand, who has just sold out by endorsing Romney, can take up the sword of the father in the future, he's delusional. In one day, Ron has ditched his own political career and his familial legacy.

By 2008, Ron Paul had enough cache to start a run at the presidency on his own terms as an Independent, but he didn't do it. He would have blown apart his status as a (barely) mainstream voice, but so what? Was there ever a chance the GOP establishment and its media allies would have permitted him to gain the Party's nomination for president?

Running as an Independent is a different game. You're no longer "a lone voice in the wilderness" of the two-Party system, because you have stepped outside the system. Something more is required of you. In this day and age of Internet access, you need to reach out for every inch and minute of space and time you can get online. You are supposed to stand strong and establish your beachhead and state your claim to, yes, power. The power to make real, not phony change happen.

Is this Ron Paul? Or has Ron decided that he has to shape his son's future within the framework of the Republican Party?
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« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2012, 05:53:39 AM »

THANK YOU, RON PAUL
WHY RAND PAUL ENDORSED ROMNEY
THE ILLUSION OF “WORKING WITHIN THE SYSTEM”
WHO’S BUYING THE FAIRY TALE

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After my last article about Ron Paul, and after my conversation with Alex Jones two days ago, I’ve had a chance to reflect further on this whole fiasco, and I’ve seen a deeper operating level. So I’m writing a follow-up.

The Paul family and the Romney family are friendly, so it isn’t much of a stretch to imagine Romney telling Rand he agrees with Rand on many points, but that it will take time to introduce “real change we can believe in” to the current American political system.

This is a classic bait and switch. “Join us for the long haul. We need men like you. We’ll win the fight.” Then Rand joins, and lo and behold, the inside game isn’t what he thought it would be. It’s something else entirely.

Meanwhile, Rand is thinking that if Romney loses to Obama in the election, he, Rand, could strengthen his position within the GOP and launch a run for the presidency in 2016, while retaining his father Ron’s wide base of support all over America. Rand is thinking that maybe the Republican Party can’t win national elections without the liberty movement, and he is the liberty movement.

This is all a delusion. First of all, the Republican Party doesn’t need Rand Paul or his ideas. It needs the Democratic Party. And vice versa. That’s the game. As long as both Parties control the dialogue and the conflict between them, and as long as these Parties can exclude outsiders, they have things exactly as they want them. The last thing they want is a sudden demand for the Constitution.

And if Rand believes he can pick up the liberty movement again, like a coin lying in the street, after he’s joined the mainstream Republicans, he’s in for a surprise.

This was the year for an Independent candidate for president, and his name is Ron Paul. But Ron walked out on that notion. Ron should have bolted the Party and declared his candidacy as an Independent. Not as a Libertarian, not as a member of any party.

And to those who would have screamed that he was handing the election to Obama, Ron should have said the Romney doll and the Obama doll were made in the same globalist factory.

The takeaway lesson from this Ron/Rand fiasco is: don’t invest all your trust in anyone close to The One Political Party With Two Heads.

How many times, how many blowups, how many scandals does it take to convince us that the Republicans and the Democrats are chronic globalist racketeers?

To try to revolutionize the Republican/Democratic Party on a national level is a mission Don Quixote would have rejected out of hand.

The liberty movement, in all its forms, is far from finished, but it will remove itself from Republican/Democrat national politics, if common sense prevails.

When you try to reform an endemically corrupt system by working inside it, by cozying up to it, you find yourself receiving marching orders, and if you don’t march, they kick you to the side of the road.

The two major political parties in America are striving to place the nation under the control of a global management machine. That is their unspoken agenda, and it has been their agenda for a long time.

Rand Paul is working from a playbook others have studied. They have failed, and so will he. The playbook is called “reforming and enlightening career criminals.”

Note: I’m not talking about what can happen on a local political level, I’m talking about the national scene, and especially about presidential politics.

Frankly, many people in the liberty movement have opted for the easy way out. That’s right. They saw Ron Paul as a man who could utilize “the equipment” of the Republican Party to move into the presidency of the United States. The Republican Party was already there. The apparatus of the GOP was already there. There was no need to reinvent the wheel. No need to start from scratch with a truly Independent candidacy, which would have required the herculean task of waking voters up from the delusion that Republicans or Democrats are somehow legitimate agents of the American Republic.

The idea of Ron Paul “slipping into the presidency” via the Republican Party…that’s why many people in the liberty movement went along with Ron Paul as a Republican candidate. That’s why, against their better judgment, many people looked the other way and fed themselves a fairy tale about presidential politics.

I understand that fairy tale. I’m not blaming anybody. And you see, Ron and Rand told themselves the same tale. Apparently, they’re still telling it to themselves.

So you had an embrace-of-illusion between Ron, Rand, and a large number of their supporters. They were all in it together. That’s why the people who now feel betrayed and angry should stop for a minute and assess what really happened here. When you buy a false myth, you need to own up to it. You can’t go around being a betrayed martyr for the cause. That gets you nowhere.

Instead, you have face up to the reality that a person with the vision to run for the presidency of the United States, on behalf of liberty, in the face of the operating system called The One Party With Two Heads—and all that Party really stands for—a person who is going to take on that task as a true candidate IS going to have to start from scratch, as an Independent.

Ron Paul isn’t superman. Over the years, he’s bounced in and out of the Republican Party. He’s seen—and then not seen—that his real road was as a complete Independent.

When it comes to presidential politics, the Tea Party has expressed exactly the same in-and-out ambiguity.

So be it.

You live, you learn.

Some day, if he’s awake enough, Rand Paul will learn, too.

Where many people in the liberty movement have stopped short in their thinking is on the issue of what globalism really means, and how the leadership of the Democratic and Republican Parties are committed to it, day after day, year after year, presidency after presidency. Liberty advocates see it and then they don’t see it. They create a blur in their thought process. They avoid the fact that any presidential candidate who throws his hat in the ring, on the side of either major political party, is asking for a fall.

It’s as if a free and strong long-distance runner said to himself, “I’ll put myself in a wheelchair for a little while, and then I’ll stand up.”

The kind of limited central government that is needed to restore personal freedom is the nemesis of the core of the Republican and Democratic Parties.

For a long time, both Parties have been building out the federal government so that it locks hands with other governments, with international organizations, with financial controllers, with military establishments, in order to create empire. This, at times, has looked like an American empire, but as perverse as such an ambition is, that goal has been superseded.

Remember It Takes a Village (to raise a child)? Well at this point in time, the adage should be, It Takes a Village to Allow One Atom of Freedom for an Individual. That’s the blueprint. That’s the globalist goal. False flag operations, manufactured crises, whatever it takes, the plan is to derive the operation of planet Earth from Central Planning.

The real movers within the Democratic and Republican Parties are on board with this objective. They will stay on board.

Whether the Ron/Rand blow-up turns into a stew of lost opportunities, simmering with self-pity, anger, regret, and betrayal is simply a question about the second half of a fairy tale, about how a fairy tale ends, when the ring that was supposed to restore real justice and freedom is finally placed on the finger of the hero, and everyone sees that the ring was never the transformative object it was said to be.

Do the people become stronger, or were they never in it to become stronger?

Are they doomed to want to live in the first half of the fairy tale?

A year ago, Ron Paul could have stood up and given a speech that started out something like this: “My name is Ron Paul and I’m an Independent. I reject the central program of both political parties. I reject the idea that America is supposed to be part of some bigger scheme, because I assure you, that bigger scheme involves giving up your freedom. That’s why I’m running for president. I will never bow to the dictates of either party. I will not seek to belong to either party. And I think you understand why, and I think you are with me on this. You want individual freedom to prevail, and you want the kind of limited government our Founders created, to sustain that freedom. This is not an obsolete idea. It’s an independent idea, and that is precisely why I’m running as an Independent…”

But you see, he didn’t make that speech. You can blame him for not making it, but what good does it do to fashion him into someone he wasn’t? I’m not criticizing the man. I’m just saying people still have the choice of taking a scintillating vision of liberty and turning it into actuality. They don’t have to over-praise or attack Ron Paul. He walked his road, and he woke many people from their slumber. Nothing about that will ever change.

If the marathon for liberty develops the component of a relay race, we can crack open consensus reality that way, too. We can live with that. We can thrive. Ron Paul carried the relay-baton a long way. We don’t have to submit to the notion that his son now has the baton. We can take it.

I know some people are wondering whether Ron was really a “designer product” aimed at ultimately driving the liberty movement into a ditch, a dead-end. I know some people are wondering whether the Ron Paul movement was created as a safety valve, to blow off harmless steam from the tightening control operations of the federal government and the globalist elite. Unless hard evidence is brought forward to prove that, I say no. Ron Paul was a man who did what he could, within his own assessment of the political realities, to expose what has been happening to America and put it back on the correct path. He did this brilliantly. Not perfectly. Perfect is part of the fairy tale. Ron lived a lot of years inside the Dragon of Washington DC. Not many people with his ideas could have done that. He saw, up close, how the Dragon works, and if he came away believing that certain compromises are necessary, in order to win the day, so be it. We don’t have to eat our own to prove how pure our own vision is. The battle is not lost. The game is afoot. Freedom never dies. The free individual is forever. That’s not a fairy tale. It’s a fact that can sustain us through any crisis. And it will.
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« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2012, 09:05:44 AM »

 If all that comes out of this is Ron Pauls speeches and wake up call , its something at any rate.
No one who supported him is pleased with this turn of events, agreed, we couldn't see this coming and it was a kick in the groin.
That said, we have a responsibility in maintaining the truth, getting it out there to the sleepers.
This has confirmed our beliefs and then some, a tough pill to swallow but its ours and no getting around it is there.
 We have underestimated the influence and power of the elites, they have been in motion 24/07 for decades and have proved they will stop at nothing to expand their goal.
 The Pauls & Romney are Republicans, Oby is Dem, this sheds light on the fact  these two pártys are in league despite the rhetoric and old time chest banging. Its a staged show, as long as people remain as an  dill witted audience things will remain the same.
 Exposure, MLK was a master of this art, lets follow his lead. P.S. *hats off to Alex and all of you for hanging in there all these years.
 
 
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« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2012, 10:16:43 AM »

Keep in mind no matter how much you whine and cry about it, Ron Paul did not change but his supporters sure have.  Also keep in mind that anyone running for office that hopes to have  even half a chance is going to distance themselves from you just as fast and as far as they can  and who could blame them after seeing how we have begun to eat our own. Huh
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« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2012, 11:03:52 AM »

It appears that our movement has been co-opted no matter the mechanism by which it has been accomplished.
 It has taken years for the Ron Paul movement (our movement) to gather the momentum it has, and I fear there is not time to once again do so. We would best be served if we took what time we my have and attempt to find a solution (peaceful) to stop this tyranny we call government from continuing down it's present path,our destruction.

Ron Paul was a symbol of what we believe in and still may yet be that symbol, only time will tell. With or without him my belief in this cause to eliminate the tyranny and injustice within our political structure will never be diminished, nor should yours.
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« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2012, 11:05:06 AM »

Keep in mind no matter how much you whine and cry about it, Ron Paul did not change but his supporters sure have.  Also keep in mind that anyone running for office that hopes to have  even half a chance is going to distance themselves from you just as fast and as far as they can  and who could blame them after seeing how we have begun to eat our own. Huh
I think most people just want a explanation from Ron Paul as to why Rand decided to support a establishment politician like Mitt Romney and where he stands on it.Most aren`t throwing Ron Paul under the bus.They just want some feedback as to why.

With Ron Paul retiring many looked to Rand to pick up where his father left off and becoming the leader of the liberty movement.
Supporting a ass kisser of the establishment like Romney is a huge disappointment.

Come November I will vote for Ron Paul regardless of this.
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« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2012, 11:52:50 AM »

people just want a explanation from Ron Paul as to why Rand decided to support a establishment politician like Mitt Romney



From my perspective, any explanation should come from Rand.
Rand made his decision.
Rand endorsed Romney.
Rand has to live with the consequences.


This perspective come from my relationship with my own adult sons.

My sons are individuals.
Individuals have their own minds.
Individuals have their own will.
Individuals make their own decisions.
Individuals are responsible for their own actions.

I expect not to be judged by the actions & decisions of other individuals, including my sons.
I expect to be judged on my own individual merits & faults.
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« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2012, 12:13:18 PM »

Keep in mind no matter how much you whine and cry about it, Ron Paul did not change but his supporters sure have.  Also keep in mind that anyone running for office that hopes to have  even half a chance is going to distance themselves from you just as fast and as far as they can  and who could blame them after seeing how we have begun to eat our own. Huh
            Hi T. Don't you have a feeling there may be a solution to all this? I was a RP supporter for years, if he made a reference as to his son, doesn't have to slander his kid, just to give those folks who have spent money, time, energy, and the  belief in his ability to say what's going on, the truth, thats all, we can handle it.
            Being realistic, if his son abandoned him people have to be a tad curious as to why, thats it. This issue hits home, no one wants to boil him in oil and eat his bones, a simple reply would suffice. To ignore this is to loose. I realize if this was a shock to Ron why he may explain it as my son is an individual stuff, but can we truly disregard it. This is not simply about dad and son, its about the political system in total, the future, the reasoning for it. Lets face it, this has sent his supporters into a tailspin and effected the course of the peoples future.
           For that matter even IF Rand were to explain this we may gain a heads up as to what the frig is going on, we are the little people, these guys are faces( big dogs) I suppose we should just go along and wiggle the flag, NOPE, the collaterall effect is staggering, can we truly ignore this?? Some folks put their lives on the line for this nation, all we ask for is an explanation, a few sentences!
            
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« Reply #34 on: June 16, 2012, 12:57:10 PM »


From my perspective, any explanation should come from Rand.
Rand made his decision.
Rand endorsed Romney.
Rand has to live with the consequences.


This perspective come from my relationship with my own adult sons.

My sons are individuals.
Individuals have their own minds.
Individuals have their own will.
Individuals make their own decisions.
Individuals are responsible for their own actions.

I expect not to be judged by the actions & decisions of other individuals, including my sons.
I expect to be judged on my own individual merits & faults.
I understand.We are individuals.

The fact is that Rand ran on his father coat tails with the Liberty movement.Being the son of Ron Paul had alot to do with him being elected a senator.Silence on this matter doesn`t sit well with many.
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