Alex Interview with Tarpley at Bilderberg: Lots of Good Information

[Satyagraha]

Tarpley had a lot of information packed into the interview Alex did with him at Bilderberg. I've transcribed it and put it into sections, as they moved to different topics. His comments about Ron Paul and Rand Paul were offensive to Ron Paul supporters, although they have somewhat been bourne out by Rands endorsement of Romney.  But at the time the video was posted, that endorsement had not yet been made.

I think that Tarpley, whether or not you agree with his politics, or his view of the Paul candidacy, has a lot of good information to offer, and I would encourage you to watch the videos, and read the following transcript. His perspective of geopolitical gamesmanship is valuable to help understand what we see happening right here. The reasons Bilderberg chooses to make a 'sharp right turn' to Romney is discussed by Tarpley; in relation to events happening in Russia and elsewhere.  

There are a few videos floating around; to get the text clearly, I listened to a couple different videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRFwInTsxkk&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S_HwnFcEt4&feature=relmfu

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Tarpley on the Rand Paul Deception:
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Tarpley:  My information is that Rand Paul made a pilgrimage, secretly,  to the offices of the Weekly Standard and essentially deal with William Kristol, that Rand Paul would commit to being 'open' to an attack on Iran (which he is in public - in the sense that he's willing to enter to an attack on Iran), and that he would support, vote for, economic warfare measures against Iran.

Now we've just had Rand Paul flirting in public with Romney, and he's obviously making a bid for the vice presidential spot. Now, based on the Bilderberger group here, it looks like Mitch Daniels is in the line ahead of Rand Paul, but even so, we should remember that the whole idea of the Ron Paul campaign was to get Rand as vice president. In other words, if you've been knocking yourself out, sweating blood, giving money bombs and whatever it is to Ron Paul, you've got to realize that the whole purpose of that was to get Rand on the republican ticket for vice president. Because, even though he has no qualifications, he thinks he should be president. It reminds me of other people that we've, we've passed.
The fact is though, that Romney has gone over the 1144 mark on his own power, so he won't need Ron Paul at the convention to transfer the delegates to him. So at that point, Rand (interrupted)...

Alex:  My info was is that Romney reached out to Rand, I mean Rand shouldn't meet with him?

Tarpley:  It's the deal in the background, now let's talk about the deal. The deal is that Romney is a weak candidate, and he knows it --

Alex:  He needs conservative credentials ..

Tarpley:  He's got to have two wingmen: he's gotta have a left wingman, that was his cousin - his cousin Huntsman, Huntsman being this Mormon billionaire , so Huntsman's main purpose in those debates was to run interference for Romney, to fend off attacks.  And whoever was the main enemy of Romney at the time, whether it was Bachman, or Cain, or Perry, or Gingrich, or Santorum - whoever it was, the main activity of Ron Paul was to attack Romney's main enemy at any given time.

He also did other services; in Virginia primary - here we are in Virginia - we had a primary; this was a head-on, a one-to-one primary, Paul against Romney.  Ron Paul punted! He wouldn't campaign, because he was afraid of defeating Romney, now that might have caused the collapse of the Romney campaign. But Ron Paul's goal is to keep Romney as the leading candidate, but at the same time, get enough delegates so that he is indispensable for Romney. And he wasn't able to thread-(unintelligible)...

A couple of other things, Romney wanted to avoid debates. The Georgia debate was aborted because Romney said he didn't want to go; Ron Paul agreed he didn't want to go. The Arkansas debate - same story, didn't want to go. So Ron Paul is a kind of an auxilliary to the entire Romney campaign.

Alex:   That was always a talking point, what's your proof? What's your proof?

Tarpley:  I was out of the gate on the 10th of January with this - the 10th of January. My proof is, if you watch those Republican debates and you can't see that Romney is being helped by Ron Paul, you don't have any political judgment. In other words, it's all (interrupted)..

Alex:  Ron Paul ran five different ads, forgive me, that was an establishment democratic talking point...

Tarpley:  It was the first one, it was mild, it was that he was a 'flip-flopper'; everybody else was a 'criminal' or whatever it was they are - but Romney was only a 'flip-flopper'.  

Let's take the Michigan primary. The function of Ron Paul is to take 10 or 15 percent of anti-Bush republican voters and put them in the deep freeze. Put them in the candidate who's never going to win - can't get the nomination. Romney's problem was that the republican party is maybe 40 percent, people - you know, country club plutocrats, whatever, who would vote for Romney. That leaves 50, 60 percent who would vote for an anti-establishment candidate. So what Ron Paul does is take 15 percent, sometimes 17 percent of the anti-establishment republican votes off the table.

Now the Michigan primary - look at a couple of others - but Michigan was the clearest. Romney won Michigan by a paper-thin margin, that's the Ron Paul effect. Now Ron Paul didn't win Michigan, but he did pay with his money for anti-Santorum election ads. So, you're in the presence of a deception operation; this is not real.  Ron Paul is famous as a nepotist: my figures are that he's got 60 people plus, of his relatives, relatives from the congressional office payroll, or on the payroll of his campaign. Jesse Benton, that a lot of people in the Ron Paul campaign tell me they can't stand, is married to Ron Paul's granddaughter, I believe, right? And remember, the entire purpose of the campaign is nepotism; it's to feather the nest for little Rand so that he has a future.  And again, let's look at who this is: this is Romney. Now people, I think the better people who are interested in Ron Paul, they don't really understand his economics, although they should...

Alex: So Obama's gonna save us...

Tarpley: No, the Bilderberg people are turning for Romney. Romney-Mitch Daniels but they just...

Alex: The word I've got is that Romney's in. From all the big power brokers...

Tarpley: That's the Bilderberg - Bilderberg is throwing their weight, which is considerable, on this side of Romney/Mitch Daniels.. but now you - you want to get me away from this last point that I had...

Alex: I'm not trying to get you away Webster, I came over here to interview you ... and nicely, you're my friend, I was going to interview you, you were interrupting, telling me 'shut up', and now you're saying I want to keep you from the audience, that's bullshit... No listen, that's bullshit... no no no no no, I'm saying, I'm interviewing you, I'm not trying to censor you, but I have views on all of this, that's all. For heaven's sake, I'm not trying to shut you down, make your point. I want to get your point on Al Qaeda, Syria, Libya, Russia - the Russian at the meeting. I want to talk about that instead of this obsession about Ron Paul.

Tarpley:  A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Romney. This is the tragic reality, and I sympathize with the people who were duped in this regard. Remember, Ron Paul runs as an anti-war candidate, even though he voted for the Afghan war. Everybody should remember, Ron Paul voted for the Afghan war. Like Kerry, he was for the Afghan war before he was against it.

Now let's look at Romney, if your supporting Romney, what are you going to get? The biggest war-monger; Romney is out there saying that Russia is the main strategic enemy of the United States, and Romney is out there saying he doesn't want the option to attack Iran on the table - he wants it in his hand.  So, a vote for.. (interrupted)

Alex: Well there you go, Webster, Ron Paul's a war monger. Two days after 911, he says, 'ok, use the force in Afghanistan to get Bin Laden', now you're saying he's a war monger. He's been against all these damn wars, (interrupted)

Tarpley... he voted for the Afghan war. Barbara Lee voted against it. (interrupted)

Alex: I think this is sophistic*, Tarpley, I'm very embarrassed. The difference is you have a belief in the state to empower people, Ron Paul doesn't.

(* In reality, Tarpley's statement was not sophistic, it's a fact. He's raising the point that Barbara Lee voted against going to war with Afghanistan, even though she was in the same 'shock and awe' circumstances as Ron Paul. So Ron's vote for war (even though he changed his mind later) was a fact, not a 'plausible but fallacious contention, as claimed by Alex's use of the word "sophistic".)

Tarpley: ... Barbara Lee voted against it, Ron Paul voted for it. You look for a statesman, Barbara Lee is a statesman, Ron Paul didn't make the grade.

Alex:  The difference is you have a belief in the state to empower humans; Ron Paul doesn't.

Tarpley: No, you're dodging the issue. If the big thing about Ron Paul is that he's against imperialist wars, how come he voted for the Afghan war? Where's the beef, in other words?

Now, underlying all this, right, we're talking about the Mormon's, ok? An important issue. The theology of the Mormons is that they are anti-black. The holy books of the Mormon church say, say that the blacks, the black population, afro-americans, are the spawn of the people who sided with Lucifer in the great battle in heaven. This was then sort of gotten away in 1978.  

I would say that Ron Paul represents the southern jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite of Free Masonry, which means the old confederates.

Alex: Hold on, Masons are a diverse group - some good, some bad, there's no proof of Ron Paul in Masonry. You are pulling out... why are... why are the globalists so upset at Ron Paul?

Tarpley: ... the wife is in the Eastern Star, the daughters are in the Rainbow Girls, the parents are all Free Masons, I think there's a pretty good case.

Alex: Really, where's the proof of that? They never produced the proof of that -- I think you're going off rumors, Tarpley...

Tarpley: I think that's pretty good research.

Alex: .. so now, I thought you liked the American system, I'm not endorsing the Masons, but George Washington, all those guys.. now if you're a Mason, you're the devil.

Tarpley: Not 'the devil', but when you put that together with the rest of this stuff, what I see ...(interrupted)

Alex: El Diablo...

Tarpley: I see a convergence between the Scottish Rite Free Masons, Mormonism, which is a religion which has profound Free Masonic overtones...

Alex: It is a Masonic religion.

Tarpley: Yes, I think there is this element to it. Yes, so, right now we have Rand Paul, flirting with Romney in public, and if I were a Ron Paul supporter, my worldview would be crashing to the ground right now. After all that work and all those sacrifices, now Alex - let me talk to you --

Alex:  Be sure that states' rights' movement is destroyed...

Tarpley: States' rights has always been a reactionary slogan, states rights meant... (interrupted)

Alex:  (Sarcastic) Only the federal supreme government will save us for Soviet recollectivization, yes, only Sovietism will save us...

Tarpley: Yes, c'mon, be serious now.... I'm almost finished .. if I can just remember what the last point was...

(Unfortunately - the last point - the connection between Mormonism and Free Masonry, was derailed by Alex's heckling comments about states rights' and the sarcastic reference to the Soviets.  Too bad. We need to learn more about the Mormon-Free Mason connection; particularly as we look at Bilderberg's choice -Romney's possible presidential win, and the Pauls' assistance in that effort.)

Alex: (sarcastic comments...)

Tarpley: To talk then about Ron Paul's economics. Let's get down- the thing that got me going - Ron Paul made a terrible mistake; he published his economic views on his website, in the Restore America Program.  Now, Ron Paul - when he gets up on the stump, Ron Paul can dance and bob, and weave and shuffle with the best of them.  But, when he puts the numbers on the page -- let's look at the United States. You've got about 50 million people, who, thanks to Bill Clinton, are ...(Interrupted)

Alex:  He said it's going to be slowly phased in ... no one can say dependence has been successful..

Tarpley: No.. no..no.. he talks about one trillion dollars in cuts in one year. One trillion dollars in cuts in the first year, and then balance the budget (interrupted)

Alex:  But the bankers; they don't want that, they want - they want us dependent...

Tarpley: They seem to want that - quite a few of them do want it. Peter Thiel is a pretty good banker and he seems to think it's great.

Alex: He's only one member; all the other Bilderbergs hate him... all right so...

Tarpley: I don't know how many you need.

Alex: (continuing heckling)

Tarpley: You gotta stop this stuff -

Alex: ..your obsession with Ron Paul...

Tarpley: No - your obsession with defending him.

Alex: No - you are obsessed.

Tarpley: Let me talk to you - you are better than Ron Paul.  You don't need Ron Paul. Let's take an issue like 911. You have stuck to your guns on 911 Truth.

Alex:  Alright, since you brought that up, Ron Paul was asked four years ago about it, and after he said, well, (interrupted)

Tarpley: And again on January 1st he repudiated it --

Alex: he's been so busy he hasn't been able to deal with it..

Tarpley: wow, it's the greatest issue of our time...

Alex: But he knows about false flags, Ron Paul knows false flag terror is real, there's been a CIA coup, all of that - Ron Paul; I know him...

Tarpley:  When did he say that? Did he say that on the presidential debates?

Alex: He said that on my show and others... I know Ron Paul's family, man, Ron Paul is good. All I know is there's bigger -- why are you so obsessed with Ron Paul?

Tarpley: In the presidential debates he was asked... he was asked ...Because I see lots of people who are useful and productive people...(interrupted)

Alex: Useful idiots for your soviet model?

Tarpley: ... who have been highjacked by a flim-flam artist. Ron Paul is the most successful con artist in the entire campaign.

Alex:  60 seconds on your obsession because I want to get to other issues... oh really, only Ron Paul, in the entire galaxy, it's all Ron Paul ... not Syria, not Libya, not Russia, not NATO, not Europe collapsing, not the pigs being sucked dry, Ron Paul! Ron Paul! Ron Paul! He's so Evil! He's so Bad! Tarpley -Tarpley - he'll save us - along with the communists!

Tarpley: You are undercutting, if you want to protest Bilderberg, I would say to you, 'don't go out there and say Ron Paul, Ron Paul - I know a lot of people, including myself, who say, 'I don't want to hear about any reactionary republican for the rest of my life. I'm sick of republicans, I don't want any of them'. I know a lot of people who, after Bush, swore that they would never vote for a reactionary republican for 10 thousand years, and now (interrupted)

Alex: hey, I'm against the whole power structure..

Tarpley:  but you're tied to the republican party - are you guys all registered republicans? What is this?

Alex: Can we now move on to the next topic..(interrupted)

Tarpley: Why do we have to be tied to a cynical politican of the republican power structure?

Alex: Webster, I exposed Obama, I exposed Bush...(interrupted)

Tarpley: How about Ron Paul? When are you going to expose him? But you're running interference for Ron Paul...and he's running interference for Romney - where does that leave you? You see what I mean?

Alex: Listen, Romney's an unknown country, I've exposed his ties to banking and all of it. Now listen, stop right there. Finish up with your Ron Paul fetish. Let's move on to the next subject, go ahead.

Tarpley: A vote for Ron Paul was a vote for Romney.

Alex: So you love Obama?

Tarpley: No, no, no.  (over Alex heckling) I take second place to nobody - (Alex heckling) - I was the first out of the gate - the first, I think, in the relevant universe to expose Obama, so I have the credentials, in other words, I was telling left liberals in 2008 - "You're being duped - watch out!"

Alex: Webster, I like you - can we move on to WWIII please...

Tarpley: Today, I will tell people like you "you're being duped by Ron Paul. Stop it. Same story."

Alex: we're going to move on to the next issue.

Tarpley: I suppose, now, let me just talk about your triumphalism, right, what you're saying that the patriot movement is winning, whatever this is...

Alex: (sarcasm) Oh - we're failing... you're such a good friend of liberty... we're going to run out of live feed real soon... we've got about 10 minutes on batteries... infowars.com...

Tarpley:  Let's talk about, let's talk about something real... let's talk about what it takes, you want to break the power of finance capitalism?  Because that's what Bilderberg is - Bilderberg is the finance capitalism in the NATO framework.

Alex: this is the phoney centralized government.

Tarpley: You wanna break their power - you better find an example that works.

Alex: Infowars.com

Tarpley: Doesn't work -- Ron Paul doesn't work - Adbusters doesn't work.  (Asks Alex to stop heckling)...

Alex: Ok Webster, now I've got an earpiece in, get into the other issues...tell everybody how bad Ron Paul is...

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Tarpley on the success of the Syriza Movement in Greece
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Tarpley: Not Ron Paul, and not Occupy Wall Street is effective. What is effective? Let's look at Greece. The Syriza Movement of Alexis Tsipras. That has gone from 4 percent to 30 percent.
One of the big themes that's going on in this Bilderberger meeting,
is that they are terrified of Alexis Tsipras and the Syriza Movement. Why?

Because he has all the things we don't have here.

They have a leader, that's Tsipras himself. They have an organization, that is The Syriza, which is twelve components that have now been welded together into the most effective fighting force in the country. They now have a program - let's go through the program - it's not like Ron Paul's. It says, 'Roll back austerity, no wage cuts, no pension cuts, if public workers are fired, hire them again'. Second point - 'stop anti-worker measures. Stop union-busting'. Rand Paul and Ron are for union-busting, right, they're scabbing on every union in the country, but in Syriza it's the opposite. Third point, social justice - I know some people think that's a terrible thing. Fourth point: investigate the crash, put the felon bankers in jail. And the fifth point? Debt moratorium. Don't pay Goldman Sachs, don't pay Morgan Stanley, don't pay JP Morgan Chase.

Alex: It's all fraud, all fraud.

Tarpley:  This is what the bankers hate and fear. This is what is winning in Greece.
Now if you want to break the power of finance capital, you've got to have something on that, along those lines. I would say, one of the main themes being debated in here (Bilderberg meeting) is the question of whether or not there will be a coup d'etat in Athens in the next two weeks. The elections are on June 17th. Right now Syriza will emerge as the largest party. The trick of the Greek parliament is if you come in first, you get 50 votes extra. You get a bonus for coming in first.
If they do, we will have, essentially, the first anti-banker government in the western world.

Alex: No, Iceland, Iceland, Iceland...

Tarpley: They never had an anti-banker government; they had a social democrat who was finding ways to pay. The other thing about Iceland - the stuff about Iceland is baloney, you know why? Because the living standard in Iceland has been cut in half. The devaluation of the Icelandic Crown cut the living standard in half. So if you want to be serious about breaking the power of the bankers, you better have those five things: a leader, an organization, a program (I guess it's four), and a strategy. And the strategy is 'no austerity, no deals' - don't enter into any austerity coalitions.

Now, the other thing is, you're concerned about dictatorship?
I'll tell you how dictatorship comes.

One way is what we just saw in Greece, right?
In Athens, there could be a NATO coup in Greece,
because Syriza - Tsipros has gone on television saying, "there shouldn't be any Greek soldiers in Afghanistan,
why are we in NATO?"

And we have now got similar things going on; in Macedonia, in Serbia, in Montenegro to some degree, to Croatia -there's a revolt...

Alex:  And they should say "no" up front, to any foreign soldiers in Greece.

Tarpley: Yes, and they should essentially get out of NATO. NATO should essentially be busted up. But, the intelligence of Tsipros is he doesn't put that up front: he puts the demands that actually have mass traction. Demands that have mass traction are the ones that do something to help working families solve their immediate problems in a condition of depression. So that's what's going on.

(Note; we know what the elite do when someone threatens their power: they use deadly force to either 'change' their mind, or they eliminate the problem. Watch Greece as the June 17 election approaches, and the Syriza Movement's Tsipros' potential to win the race. False flag time.)

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Tarpley on How Dictatorship Comes to a Country...
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Tarpley: Now, dictatorship, right - you're against dictatorship. Let's see how it comes.

Let's look first of all at Michigan. We have the reactionary, or really, fascist Governer Snyder in Michigan, and he says, "emergency management law", he says 'if I don't like the mayor of Benton Harbor, if I don't like Flynt, and Pontiac and Ecourse, and if I don't like the Detroit School System, I get to send in a dictator, and he becomes the austerity dictator of those places.

It's now been taken over by Rajoy, who is basically the neo-fascist prime minister of Spain. Rajoy says, 'if Andalusia, under the socialists, won't carry out my austerity decrees', right - and austerity - we know who's for austerity here - and he says, 'I get to send in a dictator'.
Now the worst one is Trichet, the head of - the former head of the European Central Bank, who's now on record saying, 'if..' - and this is a speech given at the Peterson Institute in Washington - Trichet says, 'If there's a government that's not carrying out sound economic policies, we send in a dictator. The prime minister is out, the parliament is out, we dictate economic policies.

Alex: That's the technocrats.

Tarpley: That's the technocrats. That's Papademos in Greece, who's from the Boston Fed, that's Monti, in Italy, who's from Goldman Sachs, that's Draghi in the European Central Bank.

In Spain we have Guindos, the fascist, neofascist finance minister. He's from Lehman Brothers.

But again, you want to break that stuff - you've got to have organization - you've got to be able to carry out a general strike. You've got to be able to break their power. It's not enough to say 'people now know there's a Bilderberger group', that won't help them...

Alex: I understand that. Our batteries are running down, hey Webster - they drain incredible amounts of power - it's going down - I'd say 10 more minutes.. can we get into the larger geopolitical establishment (?) ...

Tarpley: yes, but this was it - this is the fighting front: what to do. I know you don't like this; you never want to talk about this, but if you want to do something I'm telling you; not Ron Paul, not Adbusters, it's oh - another one - the fight to recall Walker; the fight to recall Walker..

Alex: Hold on just a minute; this is what Tarpley does, he is in a crazed mode - our batteries are going dead. I can see right here.. hold on ... ok, we've covered Greece, we've covered the pols, and I'm like, I'm the interviewer here, and I'm sitting here -he's going for like 10 minutes at a time - and I'm the demon, I'm the bad man, and listen - all I'm saying is what's happening with the pigs, what happening with Russia, what's happening in Syria, what's happening - and then I'm bad - I'm asking geopoliltically, as a questioner, every 10 minutes, a question, and I'm demonized that I'm - you're acting like I'm covering something up - hey Tarpley, dammit, listen - you're saying I'm covering something up, and I'm here, interviewing your ass, and you're in an aggressive crazy mode, and you're pissing me off, ok? You said I don't want to talk about these issues, I want to get to Medvedev and Putin's threatened a nuke, and all this crazy stuff, that's what I'm worried about; go ahead.

Tarpley: I just want everybody in Wisconsin - vote to kick out the fascist Walker.

Alex: Ok, great. The other issues... I want to know about Russia.

Tarpley: I want to go to Italy.

Alex: What about Bilderberg having a chess player right here...

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Tarpley on the situation in Italy & BRICS ...
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Tarpley: Here's big news. Fighting the bankers in Italy. Ok, we've got Michaele Ruggiero.
Michaele Riggiero's one of the gutsiest most courageous people in the world. He's the finest investigating judge in Europe and probably in the entire western world. Michaele Ruggiero (sp?) has just filed a five-count indictment against Standard & Poor's, and he's saying, 'you guys have been attempting to destabilize Italy'. The destabilization ..

Alex: That's right, they downgrade.. they downgrade, on purpose.

Tarpley: But this is now a magistrate; in other words, a judge who can issue indictments. He has completed his investigation, and he's got five or six members of the Standard & Poor's team in Italy. Now, this is fighting - fight the bankers! He is the government, but here's part of the government that's actually doing the work that needs to get done...

Alex: He's not a corporate fascist...

Tarpley: No, he's fighting those agencies that are attempting to destroy his country, ok?

Now, concerning Bilderberger and their strategic discussion.

The obvious problem is the BRICS, right? Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. But in particular, the idea of a BRICS development bank. The BRICS development bank is, as of the last conference, now being created, and the idea there is to create a system of finance clearing and a development institute, right - a credit source that would be independent of the United States dollar. This is one of the things that the Bilderbergers are undoubtedly discussing, in other words, I'm very skeptical of reports that don't focus on an issue of that magnitude.

Now we wanted to hear about Russia. Let's go to Russia.

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Tarpley on the situation in Russia ...
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Tarpley: There are three Russians here (at Bilderberg) that I can see. One is a representative of the Russian Academy of Sciences, who I think probably is pretty much the government. But then we have Anatoly Chubias.  Anatoly Chubias is the expert of what? Privatization! What the Austrian school loves - privatization - deregulation.

This is the mother of the Oligarchs, in other words it's thanks to Anatoly Chubias that we have Karakovsky (sp?), Potanin, Berezovsky,   Guzinsky (sp?), Friedman, the rest of them.

In other words, the state property of the Soviet Union was privatized to the nomenclatura, to the oligarchy, to these predators - and they have now constituted the state within the state, right - we saw it in the presidential election.

Alex: But Putin kicked them out...

Tarpley: Putin has fought them more effectively than anybody else. Now, the other guy you have, in addition to Chubias - who's name is execrated all across Russia: Gary Kasparov. Now, Kasparov is a chess champion...

Alex: And he's at Bilderberg... now what does that mean?

Tarpley: Yes, but who is he? This is essentially somebody who goes - he's an agitator who goes into the streets to organize a color revolution, a color revolution against Putin.

And his ally is, quite frankly, a Nazi. There's a guy called Edward Limonov, who calls himself a 'national bolshevik', who I think, by anybody's reference, would get himself pretty much into the brownshirt category.

Limonov is a hooligan! He's somebody who fights with cops all the time in the streets to attack Putin. So when you have Kasparov, it's like bringing Limonov to the meeting. In other words, this is an affront, this is a primitive affront to Putin and Russia, to have somebody of this wretched level of Kasparov that I'm amazed that he gets out. But he is here now, so this is basically saying "we declare war on Russia". Basically when it comes out of this meeting...

Alex: What does is mean when even Medvedev is now saying 'nuclear war'?

Tarpley: Because he's now reading the speeches that Putin writes for him.

Chubias is the dark side of Medvedev, and Medvedev; the entire government.

What's coming out of this for U.S. domestic politics is a hard right turn. I see millions of signs:

They want to dump Obama.

They want to bring in Romney/Mitch Daniels

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Tarpley on why the Globalists want Obama Out ...
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Tarpley: And now, this is not just what they want to do - the New York Times, this week has this thing about Obama's "kill list", Obama's "terrorist Tuesdays", how Obama wants to - basically signs the death orders himself; for Al Awaqi the CIA-lackey, and all these other people.

It seems to me that this is quite possibly the beginning of a Watergate scandal against Obama, coming out of the establishment itself.  In other words, I look back - is it like the Pentagon Papers? Is it like Monica Lewinsky? It's of this type.

This morning on MSNBC, I was amazed, Chris Hayes, of The Nation magazine; a left liberal -- he's got Jacobs of the Army, he's got a panel of other people, he's got Jeremy Scahill from The Nation, and they're talking about how Obama is committing murder. Now, if you want to do something to suppress and demoralize Obama's left-liberal base, the real shock troops of Obama, it's to put this story on MSNBC.

Now, MSNBC is who? It's Jeff Imelt. Imelt, of course, a big supporter of Obama last time around. It seems to me Imelt, along with other groups in the ruling class, have now decided to get rid of Obama. Couple of others...

Alex: Yes, we're seeing the Washington Post and Politico talk bad about Obama.

Tarpley: Yes, it's growing. You can see the political wind has changed.

I smell Watergate: at least a scandal, maybe not impeachment, but maybe - it's easy to do.

It's complicated, ah.. Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton, great barometer of what the ruling class is thinking. Bill Clinton goes out on the campaign trail and he says, 'It's not right to talk about Romney as a hedge fund hyena, and an asset-stripper, and a zombie banker - that's not fair to him, we shouldn't do that..'  Because that's Obama's only hope - is to demonize Romney for what he is, which is an asset-stripper, a one-percenter and all the rest of it. If Clinton comes out with that, he's cutting off Obama at the knees, and he's doing it, along with Cory Booker and other people, he's doing that in the service of this ruling class cabal.

The unemployment statistics this week were not only bad, but the previous months results were brought down from a wretched 120 thousand to a microscopic 50 to 60 thousand. It looks to me like networks inside the government bureaucracy are also now getting the line ' it's time to make Obama look bad'. So, what that leaves us with, is that this faction of the ruling class - you gotta look at reality the way it is - has basically said we want a sharp right turn.

The Supreme Court in June, it's now June - the Supreme Court is going to come out on ObamaCare; what might they say? They might say 'ObamaCare is unconstitutional, and we have orbiter dicta, right - they get to say other things, right...

Alex: You were against ObamaCare...

Tarpley: ObamaCare, the ObamaCare - the reason they're against it is they don't want Americans to think they have a right to healthcare. I do think that Americans have a right to healthcare. I know Ron Paul says 'no'  ...

Alex: You love vaccines Tarpley - you drink diet Coke Tarpley - you want to shoot your mouth off; why do you drink diet Coke - why do you take the flu shots - why does Tarpley take flu shots?

(Banter about Tarpley's dietary/medical behaviors...)

Tarpley: From June to December. June is the Supreme court:  the orbiter dicta would say, 'every gain of the American people in labor struggles - somehow they were all so crazy, they wanted to have unions, and economic rights', and all the things that the Austrian school tells us we can't have... to December.

And December is 'whoever has won the election: the Grand Bargain. And the Grand Bargain is to strip and flay the American people on this cross of austerity that Ron Paul loves so much, that Merkel - from Merkel to Ron Paul, and Romney and the rest of them; right? We have Ron Paul, we have the Republican Study Group, we have Ryan (?), and then we have Obama who does it in the most gradual way.
 
The objection of the ruling class to this stuff, to ObamaCare, is they don't want you to think you have economic rights. And then they want to take it into December; they don't like Obama because the austerity, the looting, the sacking, is too slow. It's too gradual.  They want to have a sharp turn towards ...

...towards 1 trillion dollars in cuts, which is what your candidate, your candidate wants 1 trillion in cuts.

Alex: My batteries are about to die... infowars.com... Tarpley is in a fit of Soviet love.. we're almost out of time... someone has a question... our battery's dying... go ahead..

Question from Audience member: Why did Rick Santorum drop out so quickly? He was there, ...then 'boom' he's gone.

Tarpley: The defeat of Santorum, you have to look:  every debate where he had a chance, Ron Paul was attacking him, because Ron Paul was the attack dog for Romney. And anybody who watched it shoudl be able to see that fact. So he was overwhelmed with all of that stuff.

Alex: we have about 5 minutes of battery...

Tarpley: we've been on 5 minutes of battery for a long time..
(Banter about state of the batteries... )'

Tarpley: It's time to look for new political perspectives.... How to fight this economic fascism of the Romney/Mitch Daniels ticket....

Look at this Syriza movement in Greece. Look at what they're doing. They just said, 'stop all privatizations' - Ron Paul wants to privatize everything: look in the Restore America Program, that Paul put on his website; in there you'll find his plan to cut two thirds out of the food stamp budget and 15 percent out of the Pentagon structural budget. I thought it was supposed to all come out of the defense budget, but no - suddenly we find it's the social safety net that gets savaged, and the Pentagon gets nicked a little bit. This is worth looking at.

Other than that, I would appeal to people again: defeat Walker in Wisconsin on Tuesday, stop reactionary and fascist republicans from busting unions, and introducing totalitarian rule in all these statest; that goes for Snyder, it goes for Kaysich and others. The reason they like Mitch Daniels here at the Bilderberger group, is that he's the strike-breaker that gets it done quickly, and neatly and elegantly, without much resistance, compared to these other states. But above all, Syriza - and the idea of a program.

(Video continues).

[Geolibertarian]

I think Webster is flat wrong on the drug war, and don't think he gives Ron Paul nearly enough credit for all the things he's done right on foreign policy issues, civil liberties and national sovereignty:

     http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=208525.0

On the other hand, I mostly agree with his critique of Austrian School economics, particularly when it comes to "genocidal austerity" and "liquidationism."

     http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=192293.0
     http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=202072.msg1234508#msg1234508

As for his theory about the Paul-Romney alliance being the manifestation of a silent "convergence" between Mormonism and Scottish Rite Free Masonry, that I'll have to reserve judgement on until I've seen whatever supportive evidence he has (if any).

[Satyagraha]

I think his comments about the Greek Syriza movement are interesting; pointing out why that particular movement gained traction in Greece to become a potential threat to the ruling elite. That the movement gained such traction among working class families is important - the issues faced by people struggling through a depression are the issues they targeted. I hope they survive.

Also his perspective on the politics of Russia; the potential color revolutionaries at Bilderberg (Kasparov? and the Limonov 'silent' attendance), and why the globalists need Obama 'out' and Romney 'in'.

[Letsbereal]

Yep, I agree, lots of good info in the Bilderberg Jones/Tarpley debate.

Here's a little follow up on that debate on AJS on Jun 11, 2012:

The Rand Paul Deception with Webster Tarpley http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4MahRKtM5s

[Effie Trinket]

I think his comments about the Greek Syriza movement are interesting; pointing out why that particular movement gained traction in Greece to become a potential threat to the ruling elite. That the movement gained such traction among working class families is important - the issues faced by people struggling through a depression are the issues they targeted. I hope they survive.

Also his perspective on the politics of Russia; the potential color revolutionaries at Bilderberg (Kasparov? and the Limonov 'silent' attendance), and why the globalists need Obama 'out' and Romney 'in'.

http://links.org.au/node/2873
By Antonis Davanellos and Sotiris Martalis, members of the coordinating secretariat of SYRIZA

May 20, 2012

Dear comrades, dear brothers and sisters of the anti-war movement

We salute your mobilisations against the NATO Summit [in Chicago] and we send you our solidarity from Greece.

We don’t need to say much about the reasons to raise our voices against NATO. Millions of people are familiar with its record or crimes over the last years in the Balkans, in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Libya to name just a few.

And if we look further back, NATO has provided nothing but wars, dictatorships and terror around the globe, from the day it was founded, and during all the years of its existence.

In summits like the one here in Chicago, they are planning the creation of a “new kind of NATO”, even more ruthless, aggressive and dangerous. Under the guise of the so-called “global war on terror”, NATO wants to act as the global watchdog against anyone resisting the imperialist interests of Western powers. We have seen how they label people or movements as “terrorist” in order to target whole countries in the Middle East, but also anti-war activists in the West. In a previous summit in Lisbon, NATO named a new challenge it will deal with: they call it “political turbulence in member states” and it’s a direct threat to social and political movements in the West.

Here in Greece, the struggle against NATO has always been important and the demand to exit the war machine, and shut down its military bases in Greece had always been central for the Greek left since the '70s.

More recently, we still remember that the foundations for the emergence of the radical left, SYRIZA, that today is on the rise, are back at the anti-war movement of 2003 against the invasion in Iraq. And today, the country that is most hardly hit by the crisis and austerity, maintains military presence to Afghanistan, it supported actively the war on Libya, it deploys its navy in Somalia and Lebanon. Greek governments, in their competition with the Turkish state about which power can act best as the“military bully” of the area, had been spending billions of euros in a frenzy of constant armaments. And the military spending continues even now, at the time of the most severe austerity that threatens public schools and hospitals with collapse. We know that the same is happening with your government in the USA, and the trillions of dollars that are spent on wars on Iraq and Afghanistan, and not in education, health care and jobs.

Today, fighting against NATO is also a fight in solidarity with our brothers and sisters in the Arab world who revolt against their dictators. The Arab revolutions are under threat and NATO is the sword and shield of the counter-revolution. The anti-war movement in the member states of the war machine has the duty, and the power, to block any attempts to derail or crush the revolt of the Arab peoples. We face this task more than ever before here, as Greece has established a strategic alliance with the Zionist State of Israel, becoming its no.1 ally in the eastern Mediteranean. This is against the will of the Greek people, who have traditionally been pro-Palestinian, and we pledge to do our best to break this alliance. We know that the same goes with the US, that what the White House and the Pentagon are doing is against the will of the American people. And we are happy to learn about demonstrations like the one you are staging today, where the “other America” speaks, where ordinary people can shout “not in our name”.

The struggle against NATO, against imperialist wars, against occupations and dictatorships, in defence of the Arab revolution, in solidarity with Palestine, in defence of the right of every people to self-determination is a global one. But you comrades and friends in the US are the ones who are struggling in the “belly of the beast”. It is a hard struggle, but it is a struggle worth fighting. The anti-war movement in the US is the one that can stop the leading force of the war machine.

For these reasons, you have our deep and sincere respect for all your efforts, and our solidarity to your struggle. Today’s demonstration in Chicago is exciting news, and we are sure that your presence in the streets is really bad news for the warmongers. The press in Europe said the previous days that “NATO is preparing for war in Chicago”. You should all be proud for being out there.

There is this slogan we use in Greece, it doesn’t rhyme in English but today it’s dedicated to all of you demonstrating in the US: “From New York to Palestine – workers' struggles, internationalism, peace”.

In these times of severe economic crisis, their war machine is more dangerous than ever, threatening with holocausts in Iran or in the eastern Mediterranean, just to protect their profits. And in such times of austerity, it becomes even more important to organise and fight for our needs and not more fuel to the war machine. And we can achieve that. In the US, in Greece, and in every country waging and sponsoring wars abroad while ruining the lives of the working people and the poor inside them, its important more than ever, to remember and realise an old slogan back from the 1960s and the movement against the war on Vietnam: “Bring the war home!”.

[masterofthemoon]

Being pro drug war isn't something to brush of lightly, Tarpley is a proponent of violence against those who disagree with the state.
 Do not forget his libelous and paranoid accusations of ron being a rascist or high level freemason(I dont see many here condemning the 'founders' for being masons or aligned with foreign masons during the war). I'm bringing this up just to remind people that while he may have had accurate analysis of the rand paul situation, its still no reason to accept all his other assertions uncritically. 

I am not a proponent of the austrian school however tarpley is guilty of extreme mischaracterization when he accuses them and paul of being 'pro-genocide(which implies obvious intent and no alternative to be made available for those receiving assistance)'. Alex should have Lew Rockwell on to debate or provide people with a non hyperbolic explanation of this aspect of the austrian school.

[Dig]

First and foremost...

God bless Satyagraha for taking the time and energy to do this. This has to be one of the most explosively enlightening interviews ever in the history of the truth movement. No holds barred and although Alex is obviously frustrated on the attacks against RP, and although Alex has no where near the thousands of books of knowledge indexed and cross referenced that Tarpley does in order to formulate tempered rebuttals, the entire interview is just plain awesome for anyone looking into what the hell is going on.

Like Geo, I disagree with the attacks on RP's foreign policy stands and like Geo I have concerns about the monopoly men manipulating his movement into an austerity, strict gold standard genocide. I also have concerns about the Revolution in Military Affairs and some of Ron Paul's statements regarding the fake bin laden raid that AI and squarepusher have exposed.

But, to say that Barbara Lee is a statesman and RP is not boggled my mind a bit. She was an awesome voice against the Afghan war and her speech to congress was outstanding, absultely a statesman caliber speech. But, to say she is a statesman and Ron Paul is not makes little sense. She voted for Deathcare, for the dream act, for limiting and subsidizing various energy initiatives, for USAID (CIA) in the Carribean, votes to limit the 2nd amendment, for federal funding of abortions, for Homeland Security appropriations, for annual military appropriations, for sectioning off land for 'federal' uses, etc. I am in agreement that she is genuine, and genuinely cares about America. She also was a volunteer of the original constitutionally defending Black Panthers which makes her a hero in my book. But then she endorsed Obama which was kind of ridiculous given her past. Even RP refused to endorse McCain and even had an opposition convention right next to the RNC which had more people attending where he spoke against the wars, against the patriot act, against the fed, and all about liberty, the constitution, and freedom (that was fricking unbelievable). I disagree with the way Tarpley makes a reference to the Afghan vote as if that proves RP is not a statesman. The Afghan bill was limited to pursing attackers which was never done (mainly because of 9/11 truth being subverted among other things). I agree with parts of Tarpley's concern about 9/11 truth not being the foremost issue for RP, but he completely sidesteps the continual attacks on the illegal federal reserve, completely sidesteps the continual attacks on illegal wars, and the continual promotion of individual liberties that Ron Paul has dedicated 40 years to exposing. Also Tarpley side stepping Ron Paul saying to a public group that the CIA has performed a coup in America and needs to be "taken out" was BS. That was a JFK caliber "FU NWO" truth bomb that will send shock waves throughout the inner chambers of Bilderberg until their eventual realization that sovereign countries are no longer willing to be enslaved by them. And the stuff about Santorum is comical at best. Santorum is a Knights Malta. Santorum had 0% support and the only support he was given by NWO factions could not be sustained. To make it appear that he was a bona fide candidate is a joke. From the beginning it was only supposed to be Paul v. Romney within a few months. But, the NWO supported the likes of Santorum and Gingrich (who both had zero support in the polls, the debates, the money, getting on the ballots, etc. Then all of a sudden Santorum fake wins Iowa and Gingrich fake wins SC. Tarpley again just sidesteps these absolute facts.

The shit about Greece is awesome and the Iceland stuff requires more research. I absolutely agree with the Walker issue and people better wake up to it quickly. Walker is a 100% scumbag and 5 coleagues of his have been indicted in the largest voting fraud scandal in recent history (which is saying a lot). Walker is blaming the people for the debt, using debt crisis to shove in offshore bankster limitations of civil liberties. He won the recall from voter fraud and the media will not touch it. We all know the insanity of voter fraud and I give Tarpley an A+ for bringing up that issue.

To reiterate the most important part of this thread...

God bless Satyagraha for taking the time and energy to do this.

[John_Back_From_The_Club_O]

Expose Both Obama and Romney as equal frauds.

It's simple.

[Effie Trinket]

On the other hand, I mostly agree with his critique of Austrian School economics, particularly when it comes to "genocidal austerity" and "liquidationism."

     http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=192293.0
     http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=202072.msg1234508#msg1234508

Check out this old thread in light of current events and this transcript (I'll excerpt the debate between Sane and Squarepusher):
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=146474.msg886984#msg886984
Tarpley and Paul: Like Jefferson and Adams?

Well, Webster Tarpley is also against Peter Schiff - so I don't see how merely running 'against' a candidate makes him to be automatically bad. There can be some sincere disagreements over economic policy - and Webster Tarpley talked a lot about how the Austrian school were the most vicious rent gauchers and practitioners of institutionalized wage slavery in all of economic history - and that the Chicago school is basically an Americanized/dumbed-down version of that.

I am suspicious of the NGOs behind Nader, though.

no one automatically anything, this thread backs up its statements. where did you see anyone automatically doing anything? can you include reference to what tarpley has said so that perhaps we may understand it? thanks

Well, it's been a recurring motif in his 'World Crisis Radio' talks. He says Peter Schiff is one of these Austrian school 'free market' ideologues that Webster likes to talk derisively about for days on end. He took issue with his association to the 'Ludwig Von Mises Institute' and his business ventures.

But essentially, Webster Tarpley basically dismisses the entire Ron-Paul/Peter Schiff free-market school on the basis that the 'free market' has never existed and that their solutions - if they want to go back to the principles of Von Mises and Von Hayek - would be such a catastrophic step backwards it would leave little of the country. He does support Ron Paul's 'Audit the Fed' bill and he is in support of Ron Paul in so much as that he is a wrecking ball in the Republican Party - but nothing more.

You know, I have seen a lot of evidence of this exploitation of innuendo to create rifts in the truth movement before.  Ron Paul and Peter Schiff are not fundamental extremists, but are rational free thinkers. There are some manufactured provocateured articles that have appeared on mises in the past (I know because I have read that site for a long time now) similar to provocateured articles on other sites. But to say that because Tarpley does not support "rand-holes" (people who blindly follow some pie in the sky utopian belief that the right free market leader will allow all roads to be paved in gold) does not mean that he believes Peter Schiff is an inferior candidate for Senate than Chris Dodd. I have included over 30 videos of Peter Schiff over 2 years ago plus some now that show you from the source what the man is saying. So if it would not be too much trouble, could you simply provide me with one clip concerning your use of Tarpley as a mechanism to say that Peter Schiff engages in unsound economic discourse?

Check out the shows from today to two weeks ago - I'm not sure which exact one it was, but in one show he brings up the name Peter Schiff and he basically makes some mocking commentary about him: "Oh yeah, you definitely want to follow his advice alright - all the way over the cliff". And that is paraphrasing here - not an exact quote - but it were not exactly flattering words.

And Webster Tarpley has continually ripped into Ron Paul for saying he follows Von Hayek and von Mises - that he finds utterly despicable. So I think when you say Tarpley is just criticizing 'Rand-holes' (Rand as in 'Ayn Rand'), I think you're forgetting or overlooking the fact here that Webster Tarpley includes Ron Paul and Peter Schiff into that exact same category as well. To him, Ron Paul is the personification of an 'Ayn Rand freak'.

your use of adjectives to describe the statements by Tarpley has little effect without the actual dialog. Please provide an actual transcript and clip, how is this so difficult. Tarpley says many things and offers great critique of everythingh, it does not mean that people's arguments are not based on rationality. This is exactlyt the methods that we have been conditionede to use to keep the barbarians from coming together. Why would you be using these tactics here without any supporting information. Either you really do not care about this issue and just enjoy dropping innuendo on this forum or you do care but the raw evidence does not support your arguments.

I have provided over 30 pieces of evidence supporting my arguments, why do you find it impossible to provide one piece of evidence supporting your outlandish conspiracy theories?

'outlandish conspiracy theories' - haha, that's a good one. So just because Webster Tarpley rips into Peter Schiff and I'm telling you that he did on his show, I'm the 'conspiracy theorist'. Whatever dude.

It's not my fault if Webster Tarpley thinks Paul and Schiff are both bad news - which he thinks they are.

I am NOT USING ANY TACTICS HERE - MERELY STATING WHAT IT IS HE IS SAYING ABOUT PAUL AND SCHIFF.

Go on, listen to the shows yourself - if you had actually bothered to listen to the shows from the past few months, you wouldn't be needing any supporting information from me here - it would be self-evident to you as to what Tarpley thinks about the Austrian school and Ron Paul and Peter Schiff.

I'm getting a bit sick of the naval-gazing here and the instant knee-jerk reaction of 'Oh you're a divider - you're using tactics here to divide people' - c'mon folks - get a grip - different people have different opinions on different subjects - and in the case of economic policy, there's such a difference of opinion between Tarpley and Ron Paul.

Webster Tarpley even disagrees with Ron Paul when he says "Health care is not a right" - even that he disagrees with him with. There isn't much he agrees with him on - perhaps the Audit the Fed bill.

In another talk Webster Tarpley said that the free-market libertarians needed to get a grip and just accept that they will need to pay taxes to the government.

As for 'where can you find out' - well, it's all over his talks and his videos. Here is one example though (watch the talk in full)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7916497706221999239&ei=b3ITS-7TNouW-Aas-enqCg&q=Webster+Tarpley&hl=nl&client=firefox-a#

I think there's a Part 2 of this somewhere - in any case, he says here that Ron Paul is bad news, and that the libertarians just have to accept paying taxes and supporting more progressive economic policies.

And for the record, I can see kinda where he is coming from. There's a lot in Ron Paul's message that I support - there's a lot in Webster Tarpley's message that I can agree on. It shouldn't be a polar opposite here - we could mix things of both schools.

Sane - in that video, go to 27:30 and 33:00.

[Satyagraha]

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Tarpley on the success of the Syriza Movement in Greece
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Tarpley: Not Ron Paul, and not Occupy Wall Street is effective. What is effective? Let's look at Greece. The Syriza Movement of Alexis Tsipras. That has gone from 4 percent to 30 percent.
One of the big themes that's going on in this Bilderberger meeting,
is that they are terrified of Alexis Tsipras and the Syriza Movement. Why?

Because he has all the things we don't have here.

They have a leader, that's Tsipras himself. They have an organization, that is The Syriza, which is twelve components that have now been welded together into the most effective fighting force in the country. They now have a program - let's go through the program - it's not like Ron Paul's. It says, 'Roll back austerity, no wage cuts, no pension cuts, if public workers are fired, hire them again'. Second point - 'stop anti-worker measures. Stop union-busting'. Rand Paul and Ron are for union-busting, right, they're scabbing on every union in the country, but in Syriza it's the opposite. Third point, social justice - I know some people think that's a terrible thing. Fourth point: investigate the crash, put the felon bankers in jail. And the fifth point? Debt moratorium. Don't pay Goldman Sachs, don't pay Morgan Stanley, don't pay JP Morgan Chase.

Alex: It's all fraud, all fraud.

Tarpley:  This is what the bankers hate and fear. This is what is winning in Greece.
Now if you want to break the power of finance capital, you've got to have something on that, along those lines. I would say, one of the main themes being debated in here (Bilderberg meeting) is the question of whether or not there will be a coup d'etat in Athens in the next two weeks. The elections are on June 17th. Right now Syriza will emerge as the largest party. The trick of the Greek parliament is if you come in first, you get 50 votes extra. You get a bonus for coming in first.
If they do, we will have, essentially, the first anti-banker government in the western world.

Alex: No, Iceland, Iceland, Iceland...

Tarpley: They never had an anti-banker government; they had a social democrat who was finding ways to pay. The other thing about Iceland - the stuff about Iceland is baloney, you know why? Because the living standard in Iceland has been cut in half. The devaluation of the Icelandic Crown cut the living standard in half. So if you want to be serious about breaking the power of the bankers, you better have those five things: a leader, an organization, a program (I guess it's four), and a strategy. And the strategy is 'no austerity, no deals' - don't enter into any austerity coalitions.

Now, the other thing is, you're concerned about dictatorship?
I'll tell you how dictatorship comes.

One way is what we just saw in Greece, right?
In Athens, there could be a NATO coup in Greece,
because Syriza - Tsipros has gone on television saying, "there shouldn't be any Greek soldiers in Afghanistan,
why are we in NATO?"

And we have now got similar things going on; in Macedonia, in Serbia, in Montenegro to some degree, to Croatia -there's a revolt...

Alex:  And they should say "no" up front, to any foreign soldiers in Greece.

Tarpley: Yes, and they should essentially get out of NATO. NATO should essentially be busted up. But, the intelligence of Tsipros is he doesn't put that up front: he puts the demands that actually have mass traction. Demands that have mass traction are the ones that do something to help working families solve their immediate problems in a condition of depression. So that's what's going on.

(Note; we know what the elite do when someone threatens their power: they use deadly force to either 'change' their mind, or they eliminate the problem. Watch Greece as the June 17 election approaches, and the Syriza Movement's Tsipros' potential to win the race. False flag time.)

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Tarpley on How Dictatorship Comes to a Country...
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Tarpley: Now, dictatorship, right - you're against dictatorship. Let's see how it comes.

Let's look first of all at Michigan. We have the reactionary, or really, fascist Governer Snyder in Michigan, and he says, "emergency management law", he says 'if I don't like the mayor of Benton Harbor, if I don't like Flynt, and Pontiac and Ecourse, and if I don't like the Detroit School System, I get to send in a dictator, and he becomes the austerity dictator of those places.

It's now been taken over by Rajoy, who is basically the neo-fascist prime minister of Spain. Rajoy says, 'if Andalusia, under the socialists, won't carry out my austerity decrees', right - and austerity - we know who's for austerity here - and he says, 'I get to send in a dictator'.
Now the worst one is Trichet, the head of - the former head of the European Central Bank, who's now on record saying, 'if..' - and this is a speech given at the Peterson Institute in Washington - Trichet says, 'If there's a government that's not carrying out sound economic policies, we send in a dictator. The prime minister is out, the parliament is out, we dictate economic policies.

Alex: That's the technocrats.

Tarpley: That's the technocrats. That's Papademos in Greece, who's from the Boston Fed, that's Monti, in Italy, who's from Goldman Sachs, that's Draghi in the European Central Bank.

In Spain we have Guindos, the fascist, neofascist finance minister. He's from Lehman Brothers.

But again, you want to break that stuff - you've got to have organization - you've got to be able to carry out a general strike. You've got to be able to break their power. It's not enough to say 'people now know there's a Bilderberger group', that won't help them...

They're getting ready to CLAMP DOWN on Greece...

EU: Capital-flow limits only for public safety
12 June 2012, by Frances Robinson - Brussels (MarketWatch)
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/eu-capital-flow-limits-only-for-public-safety-2012-06-12

Restricting movement of people or funds
within the European Union can only be done
if public safety is at risk and not for economic reasons,
the European Commission said Tuesday.

Asked about reports that capital controls could be put in place if Greece were to leave the single currency, Commission spokesman Olivier Bailly said that EU rules on capital flows and the Schengen agreement on passport-free cross-border travel can only be suspended in specific circumstances.

"There is a possibility for member states to restrict movement of capital in specific cases relating to public order and public security," Bailly told reporters, adding that this couldn't be done for economic reasons.

He added that while there may be discussions about various scenarios for the single currency bloc, the Commission's role is to provide legal information in its role as the EU's executive--and that it isn't working on plans, as some have suggested.

"Some people are working on scenarios, we are providing information about EU laws as the guardian of the treaties," he said. "The Commission is not working on a Greek exit plan."

"We're working on one plan and one plan only and that's to keep Greece in the euro zone," he added.

[Dig]

Check out this old thread in light of current events and this transcript (I'll excerpt the debate between Sane and Squarepusher):
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=146474.msg886984#msg886984
Tarpley and Paul: Like Jefferson and Adams?

that guy sane was an asshole

[Satyagraha]

Keep an eye on Greece:
If the Campaign for Liberty had not been cut off at the knees, this is what NWO retaliation would look like:


Greeks withdraw cash ahead of cliffhanger vote
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/13/us-greece-banks-idUSBRE85C0E720120613

(Reuters) - Greeks pulled their cash out of the banks and stocked up with food ahead of a cliffhanger election on Sunday that many fear will result in the country being forced out of the euro.

(Reuters gives us their opinion that the reason for Greeks pulling their cash out of banks is "the country being forced out of the euro". Spin control. However, don't you think it's more likely they're pulling out cash because of the THREAT issued - that cash and movement will be restricted? Reuters (NWO puppet news service), doesn't want you to look behind the curtain. This about the Greeks KNOWING that their cash will be SHUT DOWN.

Bankers said up to 800 million euros ($1 billion) were leaving major banks daily and retailers said some of the money was being used to buy pasta and canned goods, as fears of returning to the drachma were fanned by rumors that a radical leftist leader may win the election.

The last published opinion polls showed the conservative New Democracy party, which backs the 130 billion euro ($160 billion) bailout that is keeping Greece afloat, running neck and neck with the leftist SYRIZA party, which wants to cancel the rescue deal.

(Spin controlled narrative translation: The SRYIZA party wants to exit NATO... and REJECTS the gut-splitting austerity measures imposed by the IMF/World Bank.)

As the election approaches, publishing polls is now legally banned and in the ensuing information vacuum, party officials have been leaking contradictory "secret polls".  

On Tuesday, one rumor making the rounds was that SYRIZA was leading by a wide margin.

"This is nonsense," one reputable Greek pollster said on condition of anonymity. "Our polls show the picture has not changed much since the last polls were published. Parties may be leaking these numbers on purpose to boost their standing."

The pollster said there was some consolidation, with voters turning to New Democracy and SYRIZA from smaller parties but the pool of undecided voters remained unusually large so close to the election and the result was impossible to predict.

Both parties say they want Greece to remain in the single currency but SYRIZA has pledged to scrap the bailout agreement signed in March which has imposed some of the toughest austerity measures seen in Europe in decades.

The European Union and International Monetary Fund have warned that Greece, which has only enough cash to last for a few weeks, must stick to the conditions of the bailout deal or risk seeing funds cut off.

(continued)

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REPORT: Greek Banks Are Bleeding Deposits
http://www.businessinsider.com/greek-bank-deposit-withdrawals-2012-6
Sam Ro | Jun. 13, 2012, 4:51 AM | 1,320 | 5

One of the great fears of the euro crisis is that there could be a run on the banks.  In particular, experts fear that speculation of a Greek exit from the euro currency could cause a major run in Greece, potentially causing the banking system to collapse.

But according to Bloomberg's Elisa Martinuzzi and Christos Ziotis, Greeks are withdrawing their money at a pretty high clip:

Greek deposit outflows have accelerated before this weekend’s elections, two bankers familiar with the situation said, on concern the nation may move closer to abandoning the euro.

Daily withdrawals have increased to the upper end of a 100 million-euro ($125 million) to 500 million-euro range this month, one banker said, asking not to be identified because the figures aren’t public. A second banker said the drawdown may have exceeded 700 million euros yesterday. An official for the Bank of Greece (TELL), the Athens-based central bank, declined to comment.
...
At 500 million euros a day, deposit outflows would probably exceed the previous monthly peaks since the outset of the crisis, and wouldn’t be sustainable if they continued over several months, according to one person.

Reuters recently reported that EU leaders are considering ATM withdrawal limits
and border checks should thing really deteriorate in the wake of a Greek exit.

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EU leaders will limit the Greek people's Cash and Movement. Total shutdown.

[Satyagraha]

EU Has ‘Contingency Plan’ if Greece Leaves Euro
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/world/eu-has-contingency-plan-if-greece-leaves-euro-250905.html
By Alex Johnston
Epoch Times Staff
Last Updated: June 13, 2012

Eurozone countries have been discussing action plans if, in the worst-case scenario, Greece decides to leave the 17-nation common currency bloc.

Officials who wished to remain anonymous told Reuters that there are a number of contingency plans being prepared, although they also said they do not expect they will be needed. The officials who spoke to the news agency said they cannot imagine Greece leaving the currency.

Specifically, finance ministers have talked about limiting the size of withdrawals from ATMs,
imposing border checks, and setting up capital controls.

The Ekathimerini newspaper recently reported that between $7.5 billion and $8.75 billion was withdrawn from banks in Greece last month. In the past several days, the withdrawals have increased.

“Contingency planning is underway for a scenario under which Greece leaves,” a source involved in the talks told Reuters. The source added, “These are not political discussions, these are discussions among finance experts who need to be prepared for any eventuality.”

The planning, he said, is “sensible,” because anything could happen in a “worst-case scenario.”

Another official stressed: “All the contingency plans (for Greece) come back to the same thing: to be responsible as a government is to foresee even what you hope to avoid.”

Greece will hold fresh elections on Sunday after last month’s vote failed to produce a government. The chief point of disagreement was over how to handle the highly unpopular austerity measures mandated by the EU and International Monetary Fund as part of the deal to give Greece the latest $170 billion bailout.

The far-left SYRIZA party, which opposes the cuts, is expected to do well in the elections, possibly even gain a majority.

SYRIZA chief Alexis Tsipras on Tuesday reiterated that his party will not form a unity government with parties who favor the EU bailout. But he added that he wants to keep Greece in the eurozone.

“If one of the 17 countries [in the euro zone] is brought to collapse… the fire will become uncontrollable and will not be limited to Greece and the southern countries… it will break up the euro zone and that will not be in anyone’s interest,” he warned, according to the Wall Street Journal.

[Geolibertarian]

Tarpley had a lot of information packed into the interview Alex did with him at Bilderberg.

Indeed he did. I do take issue, however, with a claim Alex made and which Tarpley agreed with -- the claim that Ron Paul is now a co-sponsor of the impeachment resolution.

If that is indeed the case, then why is he still not listed as one?

     http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:HC00107:@@@P
     http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hconres107

Contrary to what some may claim, to merely ask this question is light years away from "nitpicking" over a "non-issue" -- particularly in view of the following:

     http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-war-machine-announces-invasion-of-syria.html

[chris jones]

Geo. Hammer hits nail.
     “The U.S. military has completed its own planning for how American troops would conduct a variety of operations against Syria, or to assist neighboring countries in the event action was ordered, officials tell CNN.”
CNN says the Pentagon has “finalized its assessment of what types of units would be needed, how many troops, and even the cost of certain potential operations.”
     Perpetual WAR, the elites dream come true, WAR=Domestic domination as well.

[Satyagraha]

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Tarpley on the Rand Paul Deception:
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Tarpley:  My information is that Rand Paul made a pilgrimage, secretly,  to the offices of the Weekly Standard and essentially deal with William Kristol, that Rand Paul would commit to being 'open' to an attack on Iran (which he is in public - in the sense that he's willing to enter to an attack on Iran), and that he would support, vote for, economic warfare measures against Iran.

Now we've just had Rand Paul flirting in public with Romney, and he's obviously making a bid for the vice presidential spot. Now, based on the Bilderberger group here, it looks like Mitch Daniels is in the line ahead of Rand Paul, but even so, we should remember that the whole idea of the Ron Paul campaign was to get Rand as vice president. In other words, if you've been knocking yourself out, sweating blood, giving money bombs and whatever it is to Ron Paul, you've got to realize that the whole purpose of that was to get Rand on the republican ticket for vice president. Because, even though he has no qualifications, he thinks he should be president. It reminds me of other people that we've, we've passed.
The fact is though, that Romney has gone over the 1144 mark on his own power, so he won't need Ron Paul at the convention to transfer the delegates to him. So at that point, Rand (interrupted)...

Alex:  My info was is that Romney reached out to Rand, I mean Rand shouldn't meet with him?

Tarpley:  It's the deal in the background, now let's talk about the deal. The deal is that Romney is a weak candidate, and he knows it --

Alex:  He needs conservative credentials ..

Tarpley:  He's got to have two wingmen: he's gotta have a left wingman, that was his cousin - his cousin Huntsman, Huntsman being this Mormon billionaire , so Huntsman's main purpose in those debates was to run interference for Romney, to fend off attacks.  And whoever was the main enemy of Romney at the time, whether it was Bachman, or Cain, or Perry, or Gingrich, or Santorum - whoever it was, the main activity of Ron Paul was to attack Romney's main enemy at any given time.

He also did other services; in Virginia primary - here we are in Virginia - we had a primary; this was a head-on, a one-to-one primary, Paul against Romney.  Ron Paul punted! He wouldn't campaign, because he was afraid of defeating Romney, now that might have caused the collapse of the Romney campaign. But Ron Paul's goal is to keep Romney as the leading candidate, but at the same time, get enough delegates so that he is indispensable for Romney. And he wasn't able to thread-(unintelligible)...

A couple of other things, Romney wanted to avoid debates. The Georgia debate was aborted because Romney said he didn't want to go; Ron Paul agreed he didn't want to go. The Arkansas debate - same story, didn't want to go. So Ron Paul is a kind of an auxilliary to the entire Romney campaign.

Alex:   That was always a talking point, what's your proof? What's your proof?

Tarpley:  I was out of the gate on the 10th of January with this - the 10th of January. My proof is, if you watch those Republican debates and you can't see that Romney is being helped by Ron Paul, you don't have any political judgment. In other words, it's all (interrupted)..

Alex:  Ron Paul ran five different ads, forgive me, that was an establishment democratic talking point...

Tarpley:  It was the first one, it was mild, it was that he was a 'flip-flopper'; everybody else was a 'criminal' or whatever it was they are - but Romney was only a 'flip-flopper'.  

Let's take the Michigan primary. The function of Ron Paul is to take 10 or 15 percent of anti-Bush republican voters and put them in the deep freeze. Put them in the candidate who's never going to win - can't get the nomination. Romney's problem was that the republican party is maybe 40 percent, people - you know, country club plutocrats, whatever, who would vote for Romney. That leaves 50, 60 percent who would vote for an anti-establishment candidate. So what Ron Paul does is take 15 percent, sometimes 17 percent of the anti-establishment republican votes off the table.

Now the Michigan primary - look at a couple of others - but Michigan was the clearest. Romney won Michigan by a paper-thin margin, that's the Ron Paul effect. Now Ron Paul didn't win Michigan, but he did pay with his money for anti-Santorum election ads. So, you're in the presence of a deception operation; this is not real.  Ron Paul is famous as a nepotist: my figures are that he's got 60 people plus, of his relatives, relatives from the congressional office payroll, or on the payroll of his campaign. Jesse Benton, that a lot of people in the Ron Paul campaign tell me they can't stand, is married to Ron Paul's granddaughter, I believe, right? And remember, the entire purpose of the campaign is nepotism; it's to feather the nest for little Rand so that he has a future.  And again, let's look at who this is: this is Romney. Now people, I think the better people who are interested in Ron Paul, they don't really understand his economics, although they should...

Alex: So Obama's gonna save us...

Tarpley: No, the Bilderberg people are turning for Romney. Romney-Mitch Daniels but they just...

Alex: The word I've got is that Romney's in. From all the big power brokers...

Tarpley: That's the Bilderberg - Bilderberg is throwing their weight, which is considerable, on this side of Romney/Mitch Daniels.. but now you - you want to get me away from this last point that I had...

Alex: I'm not trying to get you away Webster, I came over here to interview you ... and nicely, you're my friend, I was going to interview you, you were interrupting, telling me 'shut up', and now you're saying I want to keep you from the audience, that's bullshit... No listen, that's bullshit... no no no no no, I'm saying, I'm interviewing you, I'm not trying to censor you, but I have views on all of this, that's all. For heaven's sake, I'm not trying to shut you down, make your point. I want to get your point on Al Qaeda, Syria, Libya, Russia - the Russian at the meeting. I want to talk about that instead of this obsession about Ron Paul.

Tarpley:  A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Romney. This is the tragic reality, and I sympathize with the people who were duped in this regard. Remember, Ron Paul runs as an anti-war candidate, even though he voted for the Afghan war. Everybody should remember, Ron Paul voted for the Afghan war. Like Kerry, he was for the Afghan war before he was against it.

Now let's look at Romney, if your supporting Romney, what are you going to get? The biggest war-monger; Romney is out there saying that Russia is the main strategic enemy of the United States, and Romney is out there saying he doesn't want the option to attack Iran on the table - he wants it in his hand.  So, a vote for.. (interrupted)

Alex: Well there you go, Webster, Ron Paul's a war monger. Two days after 911, he says, 'ok, use the force in Afghanistan to get Bin Laden', now you're saying he's a war monger. He's been against all these damn wars, (interrupted)

Tarpley... he voted for the Afghan war. Barbara Lee voted against it. (interrupted)

Alex: I think this is sophistic*, Tarpley, I'm very embarrassed. The difference is you have a belief in the state to empower people, Ron Paul doesn't.

(* In reality, Tarpley's statement was not sophistic, it's a fact. He's raising the point that Barbara Lee voted against going to war with Afghanistan, even though she was in the same 'shock and awe' circumstances as Ron Paul. So Ron's vote for war (even though he changed his mind later) was a fact, not a 'plausible but fallacious contention, as claimed by Alex's use of the word "sophistic".)

Tarpley: ... Barbara Lee voted against it, Ron Paul voted for it. You look for a statesman, Barbara Lee is a statesman, Ron Paul didn't make the grade.

Alex:  The difference is you have a belief in the state to empower humans; Ron Paul doesn't.

Tarpley: No, you're dodging the issue. If the big thing about Ron Paul is that he's against imperialist wars, how come he voted for the Afghan war? Where's the beef, in other words?

Now, underlying all this, right, we're talking about the Mormon's, ok? An important issue. The theology of the Mormons is that they are anti-black. The holy books of the Mormon church say, say that the blacks, the black population, afro-americans, are the spawn of the people who sided with Lucifer in the great battle in heaven. This was then sort of gotten away in 1978.  

I would say that Ron Paul represents the southern jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite of Free Masonry, which means the old confederates.

Alex: Hold on, Masons are a diverse group - some good, some bad, there's no proof of Ron Paul in Masonry. You are pulling out... why are... why are the globalists so upset at Ron Paul?

Tarpley: ... the wife is in the Eastern Star, the daughters are in the Rainbow Girls, the parents are all Free Masons, I think there's a pretty good case.

Alex: Really, where's the proof of that? They never produced the proof of that -- I think you're going off rumors, Tarpley...

Tarpley: I think that's pretty good research.

Alex: .. so now, I thought you liked the American system, I'm not endorsing the Masons, but George Washington, all those guys.. now if you're a Mason, you're the devil.

Tarpley: Not 'the devil', but when you put that together with the rest of this stuff, what I see ...(interrupted)

Alex: El Diablo...

Tarpley: I see a convergence between the Scottish Rite Free Masons, Mormonism, which is a religion which has profound Free Masonic overtones...

Alex: It is a Masonic religion.

Tarpley: Yes, I think there is this element to it. Yes, so, right now we have Rand Paul, flirting with Romney in public, and if I were a Ron Paul supporter, my worldview would be crashing to the ground right now. After all that work and all those sacrifices, now Alex - let me talk to you --

Alex:  Be sure that states' rights' movement is destroyed...

Tarpley: States' rights has always been a reactionary slogan, states rights meant... (interrupted)

Alex:  (Sarcastic) Only the federal supreme government will save us for Soviet recollectivization, yes, only Sovietism will save us...

Tarpley: Yes, c'mon, be serious now.... I'm almost finished .. if I can just remember what the last point was...

(Unfortunately - the last point - the connection between Mormonism and Free Masonry, was derailed by Alex's heckling comments about states rights' and the sarcastic reference to the Soviets.  Too bad. We need to learn more about the Mormon-Free Mason connection; particularly as we look at Bilderberg's choice -Romney's possible presidential win, and the Pauls' assistance in that effort.)

Alex: (sarcastic comments...)

Tarpley: To talk then about Ron Paul's economics. Let's get down- the thing that got me going - Ron Paul made a terrible mistake; he published his economic views on his website, in the Restore America Program.  Now, Ron Paul - when he gets up on the stump, Ron Paul can dance and bob, and weave and shuffle with the best of them.  But, when he puts the numbers on the page -- let's look at the United States. You've got about 50 million people, who, thanks to Bill Clinton, are ...(Interrupted)

Alex:  He said it's going to be slowly phased in ... no one can say dependence has been successful..

Tarpley: No.. no..no.. he talks about one trillion dollars in cuts in one year. One trillion dollars in cuts in the first year, and then balance the budget (interrupted)

Alex:  But the bankers; they don't want that, they want - they want us dependent...

Tarpley: They seem to want that - quite a few of them do want it. Peter Thiel is a pretty good banker and he seems to think it's great.

Alex: He's only one member; all the other Bilderbergs hate him... all right so...

Tarpley: I don't know how many you need.

Alex: (continuing heckling)

Tarpley: You gotta stop this stuff -

Alex: ..your obsession with Ron Paul...

Tarpley: No - your obsession with defending him.

Alex: No - you are obsessed.

Tarpley: Let me talk to you - you are better than Ron Paul.  You don't need Ron Paul. Let's take an issue like 911. You have stuck to your guns on 911 Truth.

Alex:  Alright, since you brought that up, Ron Paul was asked four years ago about it, and after he said, well, (interrupted)

Tarpley: And again on January 1st he repudiated it --

Alex: he's been so busy he hasn't been able to deal with it..

Tarpley: wow, it's the greatest issue of our time...

Alex: But he knows about false flags, Ron Paul knows false flag terror is real, there's been a CIA coup, all of that - Ron Paul; I know him...

Tarpley:  When did he say that? Did he say that on the presidential debates?

Alex: He said that on my show and others... I know Ron Paul's family, man, Ron Paul is good. All I know is there's bigger -- why are you so obsessed with Ron Paul?

Tarpley: In the presidential debates he was asked... he was asked ...Because I see lots of people who are useful and productive people...(interrupted)

Alex: Useful idiots for your soviet model?

Tarpley: ... who have been highjacked by a flim-flam artist. Ron Paul is the most successful con artist in the entire campaign.

Alex:  60 seconds on your obsession because I want to get to other issues... oh really, only Ron Paul, in the entire galaxy, it's all Ron Paul ... not Syria, not Libya, not Russia, not NATO, not Europe collapsing, not the pigs being sucked dry, Ron Paul! Ron Paul! Ron Paul! He's so Evil! He's so Bad! Tarpley -Tarpley - he'll save us - along with the communists!

Tarpley: You are undercutting, if you want to protest Bilderberg, I would say to you, 'don't go out there and say Ron Paul, Ron Paul - I know a lot of people, including myself, who say, 'I don't want to hear about any reactionary republican for the rest of my life. I'm sick of republicans, I don't want any of them'. I know a lot of people who, after Bush, swore that they would never vote for a reactionary republican for 10 thousand years, and now (interrupted)

Alex: hey, I'm against the whole power structure..

Tarpley:  but you're tied to the republican party - are you guys all registered republicans? What is this?

Alex: Can we now move on to the next topic..(interrupted)

Tarpley: Why do we have to be tied to a cynical politican of the republican power structure?

Alex: Webster, I exposed Obama, I exposed Bush...(interrupted)

Tarpley: How about Ron Paul? When are you going to expose him? But you're running interference for Ron Paul...and he's running interference for Romney - where does that leave you? You see what I mean?

Alex: Listen, Romney's an unknown country, I've exposed his ties to banking and all of it. Now listen, stop right there. Finish up with your Ron Paul fetish. Let's move on to the next subject, go ahead.

Tarpley: A vote for Ron Paul was a vote for Romney.

Alex: So you love Obama?

Tarpley: No, no, no.  (over Alex heckling) I take second place to nobody - (Alex heckling) - I was the first out of the gate - the first, I think, in the relevant universe to expose Obama, so I have the credentials, in other words, I was telling left liberals in 2008 - "You're being duped - watch out!"

Alex: Webster, I like you - can we move on to WWIII please...

Tarpley: Today, I will tell people like you "you're being duped by Ron Paul. Stop it. Same story."

Alex: we're going to move on to the next issue.

Tarpley: I suppose, now, let me just talk about your triumphalism, right, what you're saying that the patriot movement is winning, whatever this is...

Alex: (sarcasm) Oh - we're failing... you're such a good friend of liberty... we're going to run out of live feed real soon... we've got about 10 minutes on batteries... infowars.com...

Tarpley:  Let's talk about, let's talk about something real... let's talk about what it takes, you want to break the power of finance capitalism?  Because that's what Bilderberg is - Bilderberg is the finance capitalism in the NATO framework.

Alex: this is the phoney centralized government.

Tarpley: You wanna break their power - you better find an example that works.

Alex: Infowars.com

Tarpley: Doesn't work -- Ron Paul doesn't work - Adbusters doesn't work.  (Asks Alex to stop heckling)...

Alex: Ok Webster, now I've got an earpiece in, get into the other issues...tell everybody how bad Ron Paul is...

Alex got the information from Tarpley at the Bilderberg meeting; he didn't want to hear it though.
Alex used tactics that the powers-that-be use whenever someone tries to confront them with truth.
Listen to the interview; you will hear it loud and clear.
The fact that Alex is on a rampage about Ron Paul now, does not excuse the utter bullshit he threw in Tarpley's face, trying to discredit him - so that Tarpley's message would be rejected by listeners.

But once you recognize the distraction, disinfo, and get your mind out of the GROUPThink of "No One But Ron Paul", you can hear the truth of what Tarpley reveals. Alex didn't listen. Some of us did. So this 'revelation' about Jesse Benton is not a revelation at all - it's business as usual in the Ron Paul campaign.

[Geolibertarian]

Indeed he did. I do take issue, however, with a claim Alex made and which Tarpley agreed with -- the claim that Ron Paul is now a co-sponsor of the impeachment resolution.

If that is indeed the case, then why is he still not listed as one?

     http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:HC00107:@@@P

Weeks after I posted the above, Ron Paul (to his credit) finally became a co-sponsor of the impeachment resolution.

Unfortunately it continues to get zero attention, despite the growing threat of World War III.