Dr. Steve Pieczenik

[bento]

Just watch when he gets enough credit he is going to push for a con-con. I will wait to comment when he dose, and will say I told you so. People will probably go right along with it at that point.

[africknamerican]

Ok, here's my impression of Pieczenik. I think I have heard just about all of his interviews with Alex in recent years.

1) He has always seemed highly suspicious to me. Too good to be true, too available, too fast-talking like a salesman. On the air, he does not converse -- he filibusters, which I find highly annoying as well as disrespectful. Besides maybe Steve Quayle, he is the only guest of many that I have heard who can steamroll Alex Jones into silence.

2) His spin on recent history is highly questionable. His insistence that everything just recently went bad under Bush Jr, and that Bush Sr was a superb guy (rather than the crypto-Nazi and international criminal that he is, as well as the grey eminence BEHIND his son's rule), is absurd and ought to call his credibility into question at once.

3) The part that is unaddressed in this thread: His insistence on 4/1 that Sandy Hook never happened. I know this is the popular conspiracy theory du jour, but I need more proof that this is true and that the entire town of Newtown could be in on the plot, and somehow there is not one Newtown resident, local reporter or local cop who has not blown the whistle. Citing the existence of FEMA crisis actors is not proof.

Also on 4/1 he celebrated the death sentence for James Holmes, though I'm sure it was not proven he actually even did the Aurora shooting or -- if he did -- that he did not do it under mind control.

His chief credential is being a bigwig in psyops - I would think we would want to consider whether he's not psy-oping US.

Alex + producers, if you are not real familiar with advanced embedded NLP induction and commands, which Pieczenik would have to have mastered and which could be done on virtually anyone without them noticing, you'd better get familiar before you talk with this dude again.

If he is honest, then he will welcome any questions about the above!

[africknamerican]

I should add, I'm open to anything if you bring the evidence. And, i have not listened to all of 4/1 yet, so maybe I haven't heard the part where he announced it was all an April Fool's joke.

[Dorrogeray]

Uhm, so, anyone listened to thursday (9.5.2013) broadcast with Steve Pieczenick?

Because it went somewhat like this:

[shortly after initial talk about Benghazi]

..you either execute them or incarciate them.. [akward silence] ..i have done it before..

..yes, I am calling for treason.

Its quite simple really. There are not that many options.

After Steve mentioned executing or incarciriating of POTUS and several other individuals, AJ started freaking out..

At the end of the interview, Steve Pieczenick stated that the fact he can say what he just did is a standown.

Steve: [about several people involved in 9/11] ..can I take them out [I assume he meant exposing their involvement]? Yes. Are they afraid of me? Yes. Am I afraid of them? No. Am I the only one who can say this? No. Is this a standown? [Steve Pieczenick being able to say what he does] Yes.

So, there you go. Steve also repeatedly called for the medium ranking military officers - captains, majors, etc - to do what needs to be done.

If he is genuine than it has serious implications. If he is not, that perhaps even more.

I will outline two possible scenarios:

Scenario A:

Steve Pieczenik is genuine, and has sufficient backing within the intelligence and military that he can call for treason, indictment and execution of people like Obama, Bush, Cheynee and others on radio, pretty much bitchslapping them in the meantime for being incompetent aside from being criminal, and get away with it. In that case, hurray, looks like the infowars had much futher reach than we imagined, and there actually is a real standoff within the system.

Scenario B:

Steve Pieczenik is not genuine, and is allowed to say what he says. Later on there will be some intentionaly unsuccessfull military coup, which will be used to take out any real patriots within military, because they will be lurked into a prepared trap. After unsuccessfull coup, Obummer or any other puppet that will be there at the time, will be free to declare martial law and purge the military. The purge will than include even people, who were not involved in the failed coup, but are for one reason or another on some lists.

Of course, you can imagine various combinations of the two scenarios above. Either way, this is above my paygrade. However the fact that i really want to belive that Steve Pieczenick is genuine is rather troubling. We must question everything, the stakes are too high. One wrong move and the restoration of the republic, which is ATM building pressure at an accelerating pace, could be undone.

I ask senior members to take their time and say what their take is on this..

[chris jones]

B.
     He is saying what mainstream patriots like AJ have been declaring for years. The kicker is he was State Dept & the brain for black ops.
 He mimics the base of the reality, OK, sure I'll give him that, we all want the truth and America back on the map.
     I'm still kicking this around, here is a guy who gave 30 years of his life to the regime, all of a sudden he does a 180, was it a conscience call, a soul search, is he doing a Smedly Butler reinactment.
      I say,get hot on his motives and find the true man, the subject matter has been on site for years, we know all of his background and its top level NSA/CIA/DOD etc level. We get it, but what of the mans motivation. WHO is the real Steve.
      I'm a cynic,OK sure I would like to fall for the mainline, standard patriotic line of reasoning he is proposing, however as far as I can see he is capable of manafacturing a personage, WHO is the real Steve..   That's my worry.
      I followed blindly for some time,      NEVER again.
 

[JT Coyoté]

B.
     He is saying what mainstream patriots like AJ have been declaring for years. The kicker is he was State Dept & the brain for black ops.
 He mimics the base of the reality, OK, sure I'll give him that, we all want the truth and America back on the map.
     I'm still kicking this around, here is a guy who gave 30 years of his life to the regime, all of a sudden he does a 180, was it a conscience call, a soul search, is he doing a Smedly Butler reinactment.
      I say,get hot on his motives and find the true man, the subject matter has been on site for years, we know all of his background and its top level NSA/CIA/DOD etc level. We get it, but what of the mans motivation. WHO is the real Steve.
      I'm a cynic,OK sure I would like to fall for the mainline, standard patriotic line of reasoning he is proposing, however as far as I can see he is capable of manafacturing a personage, WHO is the real Steve..   That's my worry.
      I followed blindly for some time,      NEVER again.
 

Think of it like this Chris...

His first appearance on the Alex Jones show was in 2002 to break the news that bin Laden died in a Yemen hospital of renal failure in December of 2001...

Is it possible there are good People in the CIA, FBI, DIA, or DOD...?

Are there good Christians as well as evil ones so called...

Are there good Jews, and bad Jews, good Muslims and Evil ones...

Are there good Patriots and bad ones...

Are there good people and bad People...

Is Steve Pieczenik, good or bad...?

"By their fruit ye shall know them."

Never follow blindly, always check sources, you will know...

JTCoyoté

"The subconscious is ceaselessly murmuring,
and it is by listening to these murmurs that
one hears the truth." ~Gaston Bachelard

[chris jones]

Hi JT.
        If I can inject a thought here. This abomination taking place is a global endeavor , not to be confined to any one ethnic group. I'm not saying I'm fond of the tribe running Israel, just to mention our regime is on a par.
        I'd prefer facing the reality that the positioning of these sociopath powermongers is of a brutal context based on the overlords/ elites knowledge of mans nature. Any religion can be used to gain access to mind  control with the flavor of rightness, fear of the unknown, biases that have been passed down through the generations.
Governments, since when has any regime dismissed the elites from the table of power,/ we do remember the last few men who stood toe to toe with the elites and their following assassinations.
       The generalization of a race due to the result of their leaders, be it religiously based or the daily haranguing of ideological national rhetoric is standard operating procedure..
  Are human beings molded by society, religions, governments? The blatant justification or acceptance of the wars & genocides  leads me to believe that mankind in general has been led by those in positions of power feeding on our nature.
  Steve. as for this man I would have to withhold my oppinion, I admit I'm not well informed as to this mans philosophy, from what I have read , a good portion of what he says seems historically correct,his analysis of the ongoing deceptions seems to be along the lines we are on.
  As for his past, I can't avoid the fact he was an NSA brainiac for 30 years before retiring and his change of heart, I do beleive it would help if if anyone should know the cause of his awakening and  why he doesn't show his face, I'm fairly sure he is not hiding from the Gov, then who?
  AJ is a different case alltogther, he questioned authority as a young man and kept on going.
  I better shut up or I'll be off the map again.

         
       
       

[Scarbo]

I liked what he said yesterday and he's right. It's about bringing criminals to justice. The most interesting part was when he said something to the effect of "I'm not afraid of them but they should be afraid of me." I wonder if Steve is the guy who would get sent in after John Perkins' efforts to persuade a head of state to roll over failed.

It's interesting that Alex gets skittish when Steve lays it on the line, and I wonder if Alex isn't feigning that. It does seem to me that sometimes Alex is intentionally being overly dramatic, as if he's in a play. I'm not calling him fake, or a shill, just that he knows he's putting on a show, even if he's talking about real life.

Many in Washington should be tried for treason, that's obvious. The penalty is the penalty. Someone mentioned the idea of a new constitutional convention, but so far I think Steve's saying we need a reboot of the constitution we're supposed to already have. Just enforce that one. And I seem to remember him saying as much once.

[chris jones]

 Does anyone know why he said,TO  QUOTE: "I'm not afraid the them, they should be afraid of me"
  Did he go on to explain why?
   
   

[Dorrogeray]

Because:

1) He has the evidence of scale to blackmail some of the characters personally with 9/11, and they know that if he wants to, he has the capability to ensure that his evidence are publicly presented and reviewed. They cant just shout conspiracy theorist at him. Doesnt work against guy who has been in deep psyops for 30 years. Note that he recently mentioned some estabilishment newspapers, and even Fox News, when they covered some of the real stuff. Like having Lt Gen Mclnerney on, who than proceeded to state that "only president can give the stand-down order" and by implication accused Obama with treason. I think that Pieczenick is pulling strings in some of the estabilishment media, using either blackmail or by "explaining" to some of the rats why it is better not to be accused of treason when the tables are turned.

2) He has been overthrowing governments for last 30 years
3) He is highly competent, unlike the degenarates (or thats his perspective, likely a valid one)

..but most of all..

4) He is clearly backed by all sorts of not-entirely-evil people in military and intelligence community. He is their voice. And they clearly want to end the spectacle of america being totally destroyed as soon as possible in what they percieve as "before it is too late" - which is a matter of opinion. Of course, when all you do is assasinations and overthrows of regimes, its the first tool you think of. Its the one you are most confident with. AJ and us Infowarriors are more confident in winning the information war, because thats what we are doing all the time.

Note: All of this is of course based on my scenario A, which is that Steve Pieczenick is genuine.

[Dorrogeray]

It's interesting that Alex gets skittish when Steve lays it on the line, and I wonder if Alex isn't feigning that. It does seem to me that sometimes Alex is intentionally being overly dramatic, as if he's in a play. I'm not calling him fake, or a shill, just that he knows he's putting on a show, even if he's talking about real life.

AJ is afraid of the scenario B, clearly. He cannot know what Pieczenick is actually capable of. He is just as carefull as humanly possible, for good of all of us. AJ took the right position during the interview, and he at the same time let Steve say what someone had to say either way. Steve can say this because, as he said, there is a standown when he is talking. They are scared of him. Also note that AJ took a day off after Pieczenick interview. Can you imagine how exhausting all of this is on him, especially if he understands the consequences and feels the insane amount of responsibility he has, not to make any mistakes?

[JT Coyoté]

Does anyone know why he said,TO  QUOTE: "I'm not afraid the them, they should be afraid of me"
  Did he go on to explain why?
    

Chris,

Here is the exact extended quote... first the lead up for context...

(S.P.)"... If I'm asked to do what I was asked to do in five administrations; to take out Aldo Moro, to take out Noriega, and to take out others... why would I not want also to take out the very people that have committed the crimes against our own government. That is not an act of treason when you have tyranny, and it's been proven... (crosstalk)

(A.J.) Oh, I hear ya... this is just completely over the top...

(S.P.)... (crosstalk) ...I'll go to jail... but if I'm the one to go to jail, then who else will join me. This is the ...(unintelligible)... of freedom not some right-wing nut. I said this about Osama bin Laden, I said it about 9/11, I said this about George Bush Jr., I said it about Cheney... how many times can I repeat it. You don't take a vote, you don't let them go, you just incarcerate them, or you...(unintelligible)..., or you execute them... it's not complicated, but you don't listen to his words.... and we have a bunch of sociopaths--Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Bush Jr., you have Obama, you have Biden. These are all sociopaths. They are rewarded by us, and they are enforced by their own little group called the secret service, and a whole group of other sociopaths called the CIA which is a total disaster. You have generals who have allegiance to their pensions and not to the country. and they pave wars they can't even win, Iraq...Afghanistan...(crosstalk)...and Somalia...

(A.J.) Alright... man I tell ya, this is an insane time to be alive and I just wish...

(S.P.) ...  Insane? No, it's like Thomas Jefferson said...(more crosstalk and a break)...

(Alex does the lead in after the break... and they banter a bit more...all good...)

(A.J.) They are creating a secret army... the billions of bullets. They are training for war with us. Uhh.... so I'm trying to stop all this before it goes to that.

(S.P.) It's not going to get to that because number one, this army didn't even function well in Iraq, a war which they created.... (more banter... again all of it revealing...)

(S.P.)... I'm not worried about what happens to me. I'm not desperate at all, I'm as calm, cool, and collected as I was the day I said to you, 9/11 was a stand down, it was Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Pearle, Dean Hadley, Sandy Berger, in rendition, I know them all. This is not something that I was totally surprised this is something... but nothing was done. Then they all got frightened that I might take them out, no I'd never take them out... Can I take them out? Yes. Does the intelligence Community know I can take them out? Yes. Are they afraid of me? Yes. Am I afraid of them? No? Is this a stand down? Yes. Am I the only American who can save us? No. But every American is afraid to say, "this is what I am, I'm an American citizen and I'm sick of what's going on." That's all they have to say..."

There is more... the context is all important though...

Oldyoti

"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government
to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to
restrain the government -- lest it, [the government] come
to dominate our lives and interests." ~Patrick Henry

[chris jones]

 Thanks to all for the information.
     I applaud any insider who comes forward.
Can we take it for granted his connections are still in tact, that others of his substance are in agreement and will step up?
     I maintain the belief that the people NEED insiders and any who have inside influence, they will need the us as well.
I'll bet Steve realizes in order to step up to the plate the G.P must be well aware before the scenario begins, that all options are limited, no place to run and hide, no illusionions, no cover storey's, strait up facts in the faces of the citizens.
     I just finished reading his interview with AJ. I listened to him speaking on his site, he most definitely is with a history, his mind is in high gear ( lucid ) intelligent, etc.
     I wish that I could believe  his intentions , we are well aware of his former position and capabilities, I admit to being hesitant and a tad skeptical.
     Folks , any input on this gent would be appreciated.


 

[Momster]

I watched the interview, and all he did was to repeat the same facts over and over when Alex tried to get him to be more specific. To me he's a fraud. He may have connections, contacts, but he's so full of himself my gut tells me he's untrustworthy.

[chris jones]

I watched the interview, and all he did was to repeat the same facts over and over when Alex tried to get him to be more specific. To me he's a fraud. He may have connections, contacts, but he's so full of himself my gut tells me he's untrustworthy.

          Hi momster.
 My reasoning is based on my cynicism, I wasn't allways this way, life's experiences kinda modified my mindset, once long ago I was a true Ole pseudo flagwiggling die hard.
  That out of the way, checking out if an individual gains profits from their enterprise, is Money a motivator. ( I don't know about this man).
  Is his past history validated, yes.
  His has admitted his classified assignments involved , manipulation. An art for a man of that caliber.
  Some guys I knew had met a guy named Colby, their opinion was the same, he was mechanical methodical in interviews, focused eye set, no inflexions in voice, no body language whatsover, no telltale emotions.      Steves voice ( on his site ) reminded me of this.
  For me, it's a wait and see, I like his words, it doesn't go to follow I am convinced in his intentions.
 
 
 
 

[Dorrogeray]

Agreed Chris. I am giving him a benefit of doubt, but we must remain vigilant.

[JT Coyoté]

These high level whistle blowers like Steve Pieczenik know the toes they cannot step on without repercussion...You must take what you know or have researched as fact, and fill in the gaps.

His endorsement of "Daddy Bush" even though GHWB has been seen as a participant in the JFK killing, and the likely instigator of the Reagan assassination attempt. It resulted in Bush carrying the 2 terms as defacto president under Reagan when the 25th amendment was evoked in March '81 and was never revoked throughout the entire 2 terms... and there are more Bush horrors S.P. does not address.

With that aside, the point is that just because S.P. baulks and hedges in some areas, does not mean that everything he says is prevarication. The thing is to weed the truth from the mix not to discount everything because a few things he says are questionable...

The globalists know that the average person has been dumbed down to the point that if one thing a person says is wrong or inaccurate they automatically deem everything that person says is a lie... don't fall for it. This is exactly how they are able to hide the truth right before your eyes, and have done so for decades.

JTCoyoté

“They [the NWO] will stage another terrorist
attack, and blame it on the Easter Bunny...
and then the government will shutter in fear."
~Alex Jones, on the air, 9/11/08

[jofortruth]

I still don't trust him! Heard him say in his last appearance on AJ, that the CFR was nothing and just a debating society! IMO, that is far from the truth!

Stevo, still has some convincing to do!

[EvadingGrid]

I do not trust anyone who ever worked or collaborated with The District Of Criminals.

I've noticed that anyone that makes the right noises gets a free ride off the truthers, this is an epic mistake in my opinion.

And when I say anyone, I mean it.



So by that logic I do not see why we should view Pieczenik with anymore suspicion than anybody else that has worked collaborated or worked with The District Of Criminals.

[Sailor]

So by that logic I do not see why we should view Pieczenik with anymore suspicion than anybody else that has worked collaborated or worked with The District Of Criminals.

Pieczenik is different. He is a psychological warfare expert who has shown no real commitment to do anything that is manifestly helpful in the real world outside of his psychological warfare interviews on AJ's show which if dissected show a combination of truth and lies like all psychological operations do. What I believe he is doing is hijacking and implementing a program of redirection for the truth/Ron Paul movement. Pieczenik's new visible persona is happening in conjunction with a roll out of the complete hijacking of the libertarians with shows like this clown:
http://www.americanowradio.com/main.html

Pieczenik is playing us like a piano.
            

[Letsbereal]

I am intrigued by the Steve Pieczenik character. I am certainly not saying you have to believe everything he says and his 'good guys' aren't always my 'good guys'.

But he does show us a certain mind setting which could be important to understand and read their way of thinking.

He also shows us that there's a struggle within the system now people who can put two and two together understand that this is gonna end very badly and even worse if no one does something.

Steve Pieczenik could even be our enemy, for all I know, who just decided very pragamatically 'If you can't beat them join them' in the sense of using AJ's airwaves to get his message out.

But in that message there also is information, directly but also indirectly when a man as Pieczenik talks.

In general 'Know Thyself' but in war 'Know Thy Enemey' from Sun Zu I believe. And we are in the Infowars as we all know oh so well.

[TahoeBlue]

I do not trust anyone who ever worked or collaborated with The District Of Criminals.

I've noticed that anyone that makes the right noises gets a free ride off the truthers, this is an epic mistake in my opinion.

And when I say anyone, I mean it.

So by that logic I do not see why we should view Pieczenik with anymore suspicion than anybody else that has worked collaborated or worked with The District Of Criminals.  

Thank you, thats sort of what i have been trying to say.

To anyone see and read about Colby.  He was a devout catholic (jesuit trained?) in the "JedBurgh OSS" , He ensured Italy went Democratic post WWII , He was  interrogated by congress for all the ills of the CIA while they brought down Nixon and they replaced Colby with Bush Senior.

Pieczenik would have been in the middle of all this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgJ-ULqCY_s
The Man Nobody Knew (CIA Documentary 2011) - Official Trailer [HD]
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2011/09/former-cia-director-william-colby--the-man-nobody-knew

...
It was a directive that came after William Colby testified before Senator Frank Church’s 1975 hearings on U.S. intelligence operations. In that post-Watergate era—four of the burglars had been found to have C.I.A. connections—and as Saigon was falling at the end of the Vietnam War, former C.I.A. Saigon station chief Colby’s blunt and controversial recounting of the agency’s more nefarious practices not only brought on Congressional oversight of the C.I.A. for the first time but also ensured Colby’s sacking later that year by President Ford.
 ...
The dramatic events surrounding Colby’s career include a secret collaboration with the Vatican to defeat the Communist Party in Italy in the late 50s, his tenure as the head of the C.I.A. in the Far East during the buildup of the Vietnam war, the assassination of Vietnam’s president Ngo Dinh Diem in 1963, and Colby’s stewardship of the controversial Phoenix program—a measure that sanctioned the killing of thousands of suspected Viet Cong.

[chris jones]

Thank you, thats sort of what i have been trying to say.

To anyone see and read about Colby.  He was a devout catholic (jesuit trained?) in the "JedBurgh OSS" , He ensured Italy went Democratic post WWII , He was  interrogated by congress for all the ills of the CIA while they brought down Nixon and they replaced Colby with Bush Senior.

Pieczenik would have been in the middle of all this.
The dramatic events surrounding Colby’s career include a secret collaboration with the Vatican to defeat the Communist Party in Italy in the late 50s, his tenure as the head of the C.I.A. in the Far East during the buildup of the Vietnam war, the assassination of Vietnam’s president Ngo Dinh Diem in 1963, and Colby’s stewardship of the controversial Phoenix program—a measure that sanctioned the killing of thousands of suspected Viet Cong.

             Colby was an inigma, a robot in a skinsuit , Gen. Westy would bluster and play for the press, Colby was as stone, cold and calculated,  of a genius mentality.( Sociopaths are difficult to catch ) the clever ones hide out in the open...
 S.P., do I trust him, nope, but he chatters up a storm at time. That alone could give folks pause, a moment of contemplation as to how things are done on the inside.