Ron Paul to Continue Delegates Fight, But Ends Primary Spending

[Satyagraha]

Sorry, I'm not buying this. Rand Paul rode his Daddy's coat tails on the Liberty Movements dime, and Ron didn't say anything. And now that Rand has turned prepubescent Neo-Con, Ron hasn't said anything again. I'm sorry but if Ron is not going to condemn his son's actions, then he's an enabler, and he's letting his son tear down the reputation he's built that took 30 years to build, and Ron needs to be called out as such. They were interchangeable when Rand wanted to get elected but now they're not? Pffft.

They were never interchangeable; if you'd read any of Rand Paul's documents, you would not have made that statement.
Ron has not endorsed Romney yet.
But go right ahead and convict him. I'm not ready to say that his silence is acquiescence.
I'll wait to hear from him, when he gets around to speaking up.

[pac522]

They were never interchangeable; if you'd read any of Rand Paul's documents, you would not have made that statement.
Ron has not endorsed Romney yet.
But go right ahead and convict him. I'm not ready to say that his silence is acquiescence.
I'll wait to hear from him, when he gets around to speaking up.

I'm not convicting him but calling him out on the points that I find pertinent. And I'm not going to sit there and defend Ron, not in the least. Give him the benefit of the doubt? Hello no, not when I spent hundreds of dollars, hours of my time and drove all over with a 3 foot by 4 foot Ron Paul sign on my truck for the past year. The least I deserve is an explanation and now, not tomorrow. I'm not towing the line any more, you can but I'm pissed.

And not interchangeable? Tell that to Campaign for Liberty.

[Satyagraha]

I'm not convicting him but calling him out on the points that I find pertinent. And I'm not going to sit there and defend Ron, not in the least. Give him the benefit of the doubt? Hello no, not when I spent hundreds of dollars, hours of my time and drove all over with a 3 foot by 4 foot Ron Paul sign on my truck for the past year. The least I deserve is an explanation and now, not tomorrow. I'm not towing the line any more, you can but I'm pissed.

And not interchangeable? Tell that to Campaign for Liberty.

They were blind to Rand's neocon agenda (apparently they don't read), so yes, perhaps they considered the two interchangeable.
Sad. But until Ron speaks up, I'll withhold judgment. I'd like to hear him speak out now, and hope he doesn't wait until the convention at the end of August.

If you read the Tarpley interview with Alex, Tarpley's opinion is that all the Anti-Bush republicans were put into the 'deep freeze' in order to pull the final op: deliver them to Romney. A cynical viewpoint, but we have only to wait and see whether Tarpley was right. Because that particular strategy makes sense...one way to get more support behind Romney. Pretty evil if that's the case.

Tarpley:  I was out of the gate on the 10th of January with this - the 10th of January. My proof is, if you watch those Republican debates and you can't see that Romney is being helped by Ron Paul, you don't have any political judgment. In other words, it's all (interrupted)..

Alex:  Ron Paul ran five different ads, forgive me, that was an establishment democratic talking point...

Tarpley:  It was the first one, it was mild, it was that he was a 'flip-flopper'; everybody else was a 'criminal' or whatever it was they are - but Romney was only a 'flip-flopper'. 

Let's take the Michigan primary.
The function of Ron Paul is to take 10 or 15 percent of anti-Bush republican voters
and put them in the deep freeze.
Put them in the candidate who's never going to win -
can't get the nomination.

Romney's problem was that the republican party is maybe 40 percent, people - you know, country club plutocrats, whatever, who would vote for Romney. That leaves 50, 60 percent who would vote for an anti-establishment candidate.

So what Ron Paul does is take 15 percent,
sometimes 17 percent of the anti-establishment republican votes off the table.

Now the Michigan primary - look at a couple of others - but Michigan was the clearest. Romney won Michigan by a paper-thin margin, that's the Ron Paul effect. Now Ron Paul didn't win Michigan, but he did pay with his money for anti-Santorum election ads. So, you're in the presence of a deception operation; this is not real.  Ron Paul is famous as a nepotist: my figures are that he's got 60 people plus, of his relatives, relatives from the congressional office payroll, or on the payroll of his campaign. Jesse Benton, that a lot of people in the Ron Paul campaign tell me they can't stand, is married to Ron Paul's granddaughter, I believe, right? And remember, the entire purpose of the campaign is nepotism; it's to feather the nest for little Rand so that he has a future.  And again, let's look at who this is: this is Romney. Now people, I think the better people who are interested in Ron Paul, they don't really understand his economics, although they should...

Alex: So Obama's gonna save us...

Tarpley: No, the Bilderberg people are turning for Romney. Romney-Mitch Daniels but they just...

Alex: The word I've got is that Romney's in. From all the big power brokers...

Tarpley: That's the Bilderberg - Bilderberg is throwing their weight, which is considerable, on this side of Romney/Mitch Daniels.. but now you - you want to get me away from this last point that I had...

Alex: I'm not trying to get you away Webster, I came over here to interview you ... and nicely, you're my friend, I was going to interview you, you were interrupting, telling me 'shut up', and now you're saying I want to keep you from the audience, that's bullshit... No listen, that's bullshit... no no no no no, I'm saying, I'm interviewing you, I'm not trying to censor you, but I have views on all of this, that's all. For heaven's sake, I'm not trying to shut you down, make your point. I want to get your point on Al Qaeda, Syria, Libya, Russia - the Russian at the meeting. I want to talk about that instead of this obsession about Ron Paul.

Tarpley:  A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Romney. This is the tragic reality, and I sympathize with the people who were duped in this regard. Remember, Ron Paul runs as an anti-war candidate, even though he voted for the Afghan war. Everybody should remember, Ron Paul voted for the Afghan war. Like Kerry, he was for the Afghan war before he was against it.

Now let's look at Romney, if your supporting Romney, what are you going to get? The biggest war-monger; Romney is out there saying that Russia is the main strategic enemy of the United States, and Romney is out there saying he doesn't want the option to attack Iran on the table - he wants it in his hand.  So, a vote for.. (interrupted)

[pac522]

I hear ya Sat, and I thought as you did two days ago but the more I've been thinking about it the more angry I've become. Because if there is a logical explanation then Ron Paul should have just came right out with it. The more time that passes, I feel, he is trying to come up with some type of excuse or damage control. It's really that simple. If what you think is true then why not just come out right away and put it to bed. It's starting to look and smell like a turd, maybe it is.

[bento]

Guess people should have listened to Tarplys recent "second" interview on Alex's show. Alex let him speak quite a bit more on many issues.

1.) Pauls share the same apartment in Washington and talk to each other just about every day. (no way they don't know what each other is doing)

2.) Ron didn't fight the blatant corruption at all, in the states he didn't just pass over completely. (Shows he didn't really intend to fight to win.)

3.) More and more distancing himself from many real issues like 9/11. (Playing politics)

4.) Complete silence on the matter when this bomb shell gets dropped. (doesn't state his intentions after the fact)

There is more, but this doesn't look good at all. You cannot get along with neocons period.

[PeaceAndFreedom]

Right.. so everyone: Keep DONATING TO THE PAUL Campaign, and BE RESPECTFUL at the GOP... you wouldn't want to be 'scapegoated'!
Be NICE. Be GENEROUS.
Be UTTER AND COMPLETE DOORMATS.
If your good little boys and girls, Uncle Mitt may let you stay in the GOP.
 

No, the point under the takeover plan is precisely to MAKE SOME NOISE at the convention, to signal we are NOT doormats and are soon taking over the party, while not giving the enemy an excuse to abuse the Paul supporters in a manner that sets US back. Like protesting,effectively, without throwing a rock at the cops, so the headline isn't "violent liberty crazies justly arrested" or some such thing.

The Pauls are building a full political infrastructure for the liberty movement, to replace the anti-liberty infrastructure. That's why they are asking for the donations to keep coming. The time horizon is longer than this election. Whether you agree or disagree with whether the GOP can be reformed, their actions in developing such a power base is consistent with that plan, not with selling out.

[Satyagraha]

No, the point under the takeover plan is precisely to MAKE SOME NOISE at the convention, to signal we are NOT doormats and are soon taking over the party, while not giving the enemy an excuse to abuse the Paul supporters in a manner that sets US back. Like protesting,effectively, without throwing a rock at the cops, so the headline isn't "violent liberty crazies justly arrested" or some such thing.

The Pauls are building a full political infrastructure for the liberty movement, to replace the anti-liberty infrastructure. That's why they are asking for the donations to keep coming. The time horizon is longer than this election. Whether you agree or disagree with whether the GOP can be reformed, their actions in developing such a power base is consistent with that plan, not with selling out.

The "Takeover Plan" -- when did they announce this plan? Or did this become the plan when Rand's endorsement became "official"?
The Pauls' are "building an infrastructure" based on lies. They are serving the GOP, an organization that is utterly corrupt.
The GOP can't be "reformed" - it has to be decimated, along with the Democratic party. Both are NWO herding pens for the sheep.

[EvadingGrid]

The "Takeover Plan" -- when did they announce this plan? Or did this become the plan when Rand's endorsement became "official"?
The Pauls' are "building an infrastructure" based on lies. They are serving the GOP, an organization that is utterly corrupt.
The GOP can't be "reformed" - it has to be decimated, along with the Democratic party. Both are NWO herding pens for the sheep.

We have been sold out !
 

[All4truth]

We have been sold out !
 

The movement as gain many people that are now awake, don't let this go to waste because of the Pauls.  Keep it going, show the establishement that their little plan failed, and the people will be stronger than ever.  I have a feeling this was done to blow the air out of people, don't let them win.  Become stronger, more vocal show them the game is not over, the fat lady hasn't sung yet (election). 

[tritonman]

Could someone post the link for Ron Paul's talking about this particular "Takeover Plan"  .

[Geolibertarian]

No, the point under the takeover plan is precisely to MAKE SOME NOISE at the convention

Making some "noise" at a Republican national convention changes nothing, and the bankers know it. It functions merely as a pressure-release valve, which is to say it allows those who feel marginalized to vent their pent-up frustrations for a few hours and experience a few emotional highs, that way when the monied interests who own the Republican Party get back to business as usual the next day, they can do so free of distraction (i.e., without the background noise of people complaining).

I'm reminded of the following:

"The [1992] Republican convention...struck such chords that I began looking up some literature on fascism from the 1930s. I looked up Hitler's speeches to women's groups and big rallies. The rhetoric was very similar to that of the 'God-and-country' rally the first night of the Republican convention.

"But I don't really take that similarity too seriously, because the levers of power are firmly in the hands of the corporate sector. It'll permit rabid fundamentalists to scream about God and country and family, but they're very far from having any influence over major power decisions.

"That was obvious in the way the campaign developed. They were given the first night to scream and yell. They were even given the party platform--it was pre-Enlightenment. But then when the campaign started, we were back to business as usual."

-- Noam Chomsky, The Prosperous Few and the Restless Many, pp. 77-78

to signal we are NOT doormats and are soon taking over the party

Alex himself regards this as "delusional" thinking, and I agree with him:

       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT0TQSZhwfM

[Lisbeth]

It's all controlled opposition.  Tarpley is extremely astute and saw the situation for what it was.  We all know the Democrat and Republican Parties follow the same agenda.  The elite are well ahead of the curve.  They are aware of the increasing dissatisfaction among the population.  Hence Obama comes along to channel that opposition, offering Hope and Change - many people fell for this.  Now with the growing discontent for Obama a new candidate has to be found.  Romney lacks the support needed to get elected on his own merit so the plan is hatched.  Paul takes out the discontented voters to give Romney the edge.  Anyone who thinks Ron Paul did not know what his own son was going to do is extremely naive.  This is his son, he wants the best for him and this was one way of getting him a platform for future presidential elections.  It was obviously all planned and the voters and all those who gave money to Ron's campaign have been duped.  It's disgraceful but typical of US politics.

[Valerius]

The "controlled opposition" in this case got people to talk about the federal reserve where previously most people didn't even know what it was.

[Geolibertarian]

The "controlled opposition" in this case got people to talk about the federal reserve where previously most people didn't even know what it was.

There are some who think this was done to derail the momentum of the anti-Fed/pro-Greenback movement that Ellen Brown, Bill Still, Stephen Zarlenga and others had set in motion -- a movement to which both Keynesians and Austrians (despite being supposed "opposites") are equally hostile.

If that is indeed the case, it certainly wouldn't be the first time:

     http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=98465.msg1241740#msg1241740

[Valerius]

I agree with this caller who said he was in his 70s.

[Constitutionary]

As far as I am concerned Ron Paul has 4 options:

1) Run as an independent.     

2) Endorse Romney...   

3) Endorse Gary Johnson LP   

4) Endorse Virgil Goode CP   

It is sad that this country can't make the Globalist connection with the oligarchy despite things getting worse and worse all the time.

Maybe it will take people getting thrown into FEMA Camps in America before the real revolution begins.

I'll tell you what tho, post revolution, 3rd, 4th, 5th etc party discrimination will be just as bad as skin color discrimination as far as many are concerned.

[PeaceAndFreedom]

Making some "noise" at a Republican national convention changes nothing, and the bankers know it. ]

Alex himself regards this as "delusional" thinking, and I agree with him:

       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT0TQSZhwfM

And I also agree with Jones. I don't subscribe to the takeover the GOP theory. But I do believe Paul has decided to build the liberty movement within the Republican party, and many Paul supporters subscribe to the concept. I'm just pointing out that pursuing the takeover method, and the actions that follow from doing so, is different than being a sellout. A lot of people are simply pursuing a wrong (or inferior) strategy, that's all.

[Constitutionary]

Still plenty of time to get Gary Johnson and Virgil Goode on his show !!!!!!!!!   

[Lisbeth]

And I also agree with Jones. I don't subscribe to the takeover the GOP theory. But I do believe Paul has decided to build the liberty movement within the Republican party, and many Paul supporters subscribe to the concept. I'm just pointing out that pursuing the takeover method, and the actions that follow from doing so, is different than being a sellout. A lot of people are simply pursuing a wrong (or inferior) strategy, that's all.

Flawed thinking.  You can't build a liberty movement from within a Party which is bought and paid for by the bankers and their multinational corporations, not to mention AIPAC.  A new party is needed which is truly independent and libertarian.

[Constitutionary]

We've got 2 with the Constitution and Libertarian Parties.

Although I just heard on Alex's show that gary Johnson has some banker ties.

[JT Coyoté]

Us Louisiana boys ain't no slouches either. But to put things simple, I feel like my best friend just took my prom date under the bleachers. I at least want an explanation before I kick his ass.

The situation in Louisiana is soup and nuts when seen in the context of Ron Paul's comment that folks should be "respectful" at the republican convention... we all know that the bad guys were hoping for a confrontation that they could false flag at the RNC. His comment was the same thing that Gandhi and MLK did when dealing with the globalist provocateurs.

It is clear that the Cops in Louisiana were there to promote and inflame confrontation. Dr. Paul merely reiterated his non-violent stance... which was taken in light of the Rand Paul announcement as some kind of capitulation to the status quo, which it clearly was not.

Oldyoti

"The liberties of our country, the
freedom of our civil Constitution,
are worth defending at all hazards."
~Samuel Adams

[stymo1]

... we all know that the bad guys were hoping for a confrontation that they could false flag at the RNC.

Maybe they will try to stir something up before the RNC with this festival.

http://www.paulfestival.org/

[pac522]

The situation in Louisiana is soup and nuts when seen in the context of Ron Paul's comment that folks should be "respectful" at the republican convention... we all know that the bad guys were hoping for a confrontation that they could false flag at the RNC. His comment was the same thing that Gandhi and MLK did when dealing with the globalist provocateurs.

It is clear that the Cops in Louisiana were there to promote and inflame confrontation. Dr. Paul merely reiterated his non-violent stance... which was taken in light of the Rand Paul announcement as some kind of capitulation to the status quo, which it clearly was not.

Oldyoti

"The liberties of our country, the
freedom of our civil Constitution,
are worth defending at all hazards."
~Samuel Adams

My comment was tongue in cheek to tritonman's comment. But if thats true you should let Alex know because he was making a beef about that very subject.

[Jackson Holly]

The situation in Louisiana is soup and nuts when seen in the context of Ron Paul's comment that folks should be "respectful" at the republican convention... we all know that the bad guys were hoping for a confrontation that they could false flag at the RNC. His comment was the same thing that Gandhi and MLK did when dealing with the globalist provocateurs.

It is clear that the Cops in Louisiana were there to promote and inflame confrontation. Dr. Paul merely reiterated his non-violent stance... which was taken in light of the Rand Paul announcement as some kind of capitulation to the status quo, which it clearly was not.

Oldyoti

"The liberties of our country, the
freedom of our civil Constitution,
are worth defending at all hazards."
~Samuel Adams

Perfect analysis, JT ... but it is bound to get a little rowdy when
the PARTY snubs them and takes away their lawfully gained
power. I hope they walk out and create an alternate party
with RP as presidential candidate ... yeah right,
dream on Holly!

[JT Coyoté]

Still plenty of time to get Gary Johnson and Virgil Goode on his show !!!!!!!!!    

The third leg of this Constitutional promise, is Rep. Walter Jones of NC... he is the heir apparent to Ron Paul's position in the House and must be supported now that Dr. Paul is retiring... The interview with Chuck Baldwin last night on the Nightly News was very insightful and is well worth a listen.

With regard to what prompted the the Rand announcement... there must be clarity after the shock... this is clearly explained in the latest video by Tom woods, and the interview with Lou Rockwell, both aired on today's show.

JTCoyoté

"He who is void of virtuous attachments in private life is,
or very soon will be, void of all regard for his country.
There is seldom an instance of a man guilty of betraying
his country, who had not before lost the feeling of moral
obligations in his private connections."~Samual Adams,
in a letter to James Warren, Nov. 4, 1775

[JT Coyoté]

Maybe they will try to stir something up before the RNC with this festival.

http://www.paulfestival.org/

This may be part of the reason why Dr. Paul has floated the possibility of not attending the Liberty Rally... this is understandable if people are going to use it as an excuse to get "rowdy" and thus be easily molded into a mob and led into violent confrontation...

Oldyoti

"...Once government uses force to mold behavior,
or mold the economy, they have overstepped their
bounds and have violated the whole concept of our
revolution and our Constitution." ~Ron Paul
in debate, 12/10/11

[angel]

"...Once government uses force to mold behavior,
or mold the economy, they have overstepped their
bounds and have violated the whole concept of our
revolution and our Constitution." ~Ron Paul

Conjecture is preventing insight as to the depth of this philosophy.  I can't judge this individual however I can see by his fruits (and insight) he has an understanding that goes beyond mere politics. 

The above phrase sums up the heavenly principle of free will.  No living, free will creature can be forced into morality or a certain way of thinking, but God would have every man be "convinced in his own mind".  Whenever a king or civil authority attempted to impede on this God-given right, as with Pharaoh of Egypt, divine disaster soon followed. 

Prophecy supports we will once again give up our freedoms, surrender the decisions of conscience over to the state, and usher in the mark of the beast along with the plagues.  He is a human being and not immune to weakness or temptation,  but I do see the words of RP as spiritual discernment and understand his relentless call for liberty.