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Author Topic: How To Get Out From Under The Social Security Monster  (Read 1327 times)
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« on: May 07, 2012, 12:10:44 PM »

It has been reported that Social Security will be broke by 2030. There is no law that requires people to have a Social Security Number. There is no valid law that requires people to use that number if they have one.

Are you tired of paying into an account that government officials are stealing money from? Want to stop paying into Social Security?

Here is a 143 page document that shows you how. http://famguardian.org/TaxFreedom/Forms/Emancipation/SSTrustIndenture.pdf
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2012, 12:47:19 PM »


As a general rule, any scheme that proclaims to rid you of any perceived obligations regarding taxation and uses the word "trust" to do it... it's a fool's errand.

The truth is that Social Security is not a tax, a tax filing obligation, nor a perceived tax from which to remove yourself anyway.  The Federal Insurance Contribution Act (FICA) is the legislation that covers the taxing mechanism.  As far as the Treasury is concerned, it's just another income tax.  This was laid out for all to see in Helvering v. Davis.

As much as I respect the efforts of those at famguardian, there is only one way to stop being a victim to the mal-application of federal tax law.

First, you must learn HOW federal tax law could not apply to you.  Without this understanding, you would be ill-equipped to stand your ground in the face of what the IRS calls an "interview".  Second, and this is why no one else should tell you whether federal tax law does or does not apply to you, you must determine through this research whether or not you are a taxpayer for federal tax purposes.  I can say with the utmost confidence that the income tax, FICA and other federal income tax schemes do not apply to the vast majority of Americans living and working within the 50 states... that includes companies and corporations as well.

As for FG's "method" for removing oneself from the Social Security system... it is simply not possible.  There is no regulatory authority or method for employees of the Social Security Administration to remove a number after it has been assigned.  Look through the regs yourself.  The ONLY way to renounce the number is to inform the SS Admin of your intent to disregard the application that was filed for you (most likely as a child) in assumpsit.  Keep in mind that this holds relatively no legal weight whatsoever.  You would have to follow up by NEVER using the number again... ever.

Are you obligated to provide the number, even before doing the previous, when asked?  That really depends on what you are doing, and if it really matters to provide it.  IF you are opening a bank account and do not plan to use it to bank for activities that are among those upon which Congress has and can impose a tax, then no, you don't have to provide the number.  Keep in mind that the request, while they may claim it is required by law, is merely a company policy.  If the banking institution insists, there's no point in fighting them... they have the right to require anything they want.  Instead, find a banking institution that does not require the number... credit unions are typically easier to deal with in this regard.

If you are applying for credit, there's pretty much no way around it unless the credit institution is willing to consider manually underwriting the loan or line of credit.  Manual underwriting is widely unpopular these days, but some places will still do it.  It is based upon your verified average annual income over a number of years as well as personal and professional letters of recommendation, and any other pertinent information the institution might require.  None of this requires a SS#, nor does it require running a credit check (which requires a SS# since that's the number the reporting agencies use).

The scenarios go on and on, but there are some things that you simply can't get around without using the number, so you must choose whether it holds any significance to use it.  I.E. applying for a concealed handgun permit or drivers license, or even a passport.

Also consider that unless what you are doing involves the exercise of federal privilege, the number is just a number and means nothing.  It's akin to a banking institution opting to use a state's fishing license number system if most of the citizens of that state have one... they do the same thing with drivers licenses already.  What does fishing (or driving) have to do with opening a bank account?  Nothing.  Same goes for Social Security.  However, should you not have done the research regarding federal tax law and only half-ass your way to sovereignty, you might find that the IRS/Treasury can f**k with you in all those ways you thought were irrelevant at the time.

Sites like famguardian and SEDM are great resources for information, but they tend to have the wrong conclusions about how to go about utilizing the information.  Just be careful.  There is no magic paper trail.  There is merely the understanding of whether or not you are among those upon whom Congress has and can impose a tax, and putting that knowledge into practice while contracting with others.  Nothing more.
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2012, 01:40:31 PM »

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As a general rule, any scheme that proclaims to rid you of any perceived obligations regarding taxation and uses the word "trust" to do it... it's a fool's errand.

Exactly! Somebody is up to no good with their little sham. Seems like some scam... "Come buy our program and we'll make you rich, and you'll never pay taxes again!"  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2012, 08:02:46 PM »

Actually, you are obligated to give to Soc sec due to the CONTRACT you made with the corporation known as the Social Security Administration. http://www.freedom-school.com/invisible-contracts.pdf

I suggest you read page 255.
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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2012, 08:00:13 AM »


Actually, you are obligated to give to Soc sec due to the CONTRACT you made with the corporation known as the Social Security Administration. http://www.freedom-school.com/invisible-contracts.pdf

I suggest you read page 255.


This is "Truth" Movement nonsense.

I suggest you read Helvering v Davis.

People in the "Truth" Movement love to find some super secret special reason for all of the things they don't understand.  While most seemingly mandatory interaction between the vast majority of Americans and the federal government does indeed involve nefarious schemes, the mechanisms are simply not common knowledge.  This makes it all oogey boogey and whatnot.

Topics of study like statutory construction, regulatory purpose and jurisdictional limitation practically eliminate all the intentional obfuscation.
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