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I know the "official" delegate count is largely the product of election fraud. Nevertheless, as any objective historian or political scientist will tell you, it's not how many delegates the candidate in question "should" have been awarded by the Republican Party machinery that determines whether or not he wins that party's presidential primary, but how many he's actually been awarded.

And at present the official delegate count stands as follows:

       Twitt Romney...847

       Ron Paul..........80

       Source: http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/delegates

Since 1,144 delegates are all that's needed to win, that means Romney has to win only 31% of the remaining delegates (962) to clinch the nomination.

Now, in view of what Romney's average vote percentage has been thus far (particularly since the Illinois primary), it would be the height of self-delusion to assert that the odds are not very much in Romney's favor at this point.

With that political reality in mind, an obvious question arises: does Ron Paul have even a remote chance of winning the GOP primary without attacking Romney far more aggressively than he's done so far?

His campaign management team seems to think so, because if you go to the main page of his official campaign web site, you'll see three video ads featured on the right-hand side, only one of which even mentions Romney's name, and only then in the context of referring to him very briefly as a "flip-flopper" (which is like calling Hitler a "jaywalker"), and none of which mention any of the reasons why a vote for Romney is a vote for the NWO; and you'll see only one measly headline out of six that actually mentions Romney, and only then in the context of some pathetic fluff piece about why Paul "appeals to young voters more than Romney." No mention of Romney's support of the treasonous NDAA. No mention of his alliance with the treasonous Bush family. No mention of his support of the globalist cap and trade scam. And so on and so forth.

I have a lot of respect and admiration for Ron Paul (even though I don't agree with him on everything). But I'm afraid I can't say the same for his campaign team.
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Those delegate numbers are still the ancient straw poll results and have not been updated with any actual delegate elections yet.

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Those delegate numbers are still the ancient straw poll results and have not been updated with any actual delegate elections yet.

These are all ancient straw poll results too then I take it?

     http://projects.wsj.com/campaign2012/delegates
     http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/republican_delegate_count.html
     http://www.cbsnews.com/primary-election-results-2012/scorecard.shtml?party=R
     http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/R-HS.phtml
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@GEO:

Do you think Paul should stay the course through
the Repub Convention? It seems everything is
so volatile right now ... Romney is such a snake
... a killer story might break about his corporate
whoredom or the Mormon connection, etc. They also
of course have JEB waiting in the wings ...  ???

Would waiting till after the Convention make it too late to run third party?

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Ron Paul can rant all he wants about how much of a corrupt sycophant Romney is, but it wouldn't do any good.  People have to want to wake up.  Many (most) people are still dead asleep to what is really going on in the world.  Ron Paul's message reaches those who wish to hear it.  Establishment neo-con Romney supporters prefer to live in denial because it's more comfortable for them.  I gave a speech on behalf of Ron Paul at my county caucus and the response was...silence.  I'm not the best speaker, but I had a great message.  The next person got up and spoke on behalf of Romney and the establishment.  He didn't say anything of substance, but he received an ovation. 

There are people who choose to live in ignorance.  If you are still denying that "terrorism" targeted at the West was a direct result of our past involvement in the Middle East and elsewhere in the world, if you are still denying that there are important, unanswered questions surrounding 9/11, if you are still denying that we are facing imminent economic collapse, if you are still denying that we live in an ever growing police state, if you are still denying that our government officials outright lie and obstruct justice, then you can certainly deny that Romney is a corrupt puppet.

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Do you think Paul should stay the course through the Repub Convention?

It depends. If he's willing wage an all-out political offensive against Romney, then yes. Otherwise no, because if he continues to treat Romney with kid gloves (e.g., calling him a "flip-flopper" instead of a Bill of Rights-hating, police state-worshiping warmonger), then Romney will end up winning easily by default.

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It seems everything is so volatile right now ... Romney is such a snake ... a killer story might break about his corporate whoredom

Dr. Paul could easily create such a story by consistently attacking Romney for his corporate whoredom, but for whatever reason has chosen not to.

If I were the one in charge of creating official campaign ads for Paul, I'd be embarrassed that Jabba the Newt's campaign team did a far better job than me exposing Romney as a corporate fascist:

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLWnB9FGmWE

And I'd be even more embarrassed that an unpaid supporter of Paul did a better job than me attacking Romney for his inexcusable support of the treasonous NDAA:

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRX3fUwUtIE

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Would waiting till after the Convention make it too late to run third party?

Probably, since the Constitution Party has already had its national convention, since tomorrow is the last day of Libertarian Party's national convention, and since getting on the ballot as an independent would be prohibitively expensive (if not impossible, since by late August the deadline for submitting ballot access signatures in most states will have long since passed).
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Ron Paul could win it as an independent if he has to.

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Ron Paul can rant all he wants about how much of a corrupt sycophant Romney is, but it wouldn't do any good.

Sorry, but that simply isn't true. If attack ads didn't work, then major party candidates wouldn't invest millions of dollars producing them every single election season.

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Establishment neo-con Romney supporters prefer to live in denial because it's more comfortable for them.

Of course they do, but those people don't even count. An anti-Romney attack ad would be targeted not at his neocon cheerleaders, but at those who merely see Romney as the "lesser of two evils" when compared to Obama. If one of the purposes of Paul's campaign is to "educate" people, then how about educating them about the fact that, on the issues that matter most, Romney practically is Obama?

What's the alternative? To continue the failed strategy of not aggressively attacking Romney?

To use a boxing analogy, if you're about to start the 11th round of a 12-round fight, and your opponent is way ahead of you on points -- and so has only to dance around the final two rounds to win the fight -- do you (a) wage an all-out offensive in hopes of landing a knock-out punch, or (b) make excuses for not waging an all-out offensive?
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These are all ancient straw poll results too then I take it?

     http://projects.wsj.com/campaign2012/delegates
     http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/republican_delegate_count.html
     http://www.cbsnews.com/primary-election-results-2012/scorecard.shtml?party=R
     http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/R-HS.phtml

Yep, all but TGP are ap sourced aswell.

TGP is the only one that actually has decent listings, tho they didnt update anything according to recent delegate conventions yet.

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An anti-Romney attack ad would be targeted not at his neocon cheerleaders, but at those who merely see Romney as the "lesser of two evils" when compared to Obama. If one of the purposes of Paul's campaign is to "educate" people, then how about educating them about the fact that, on the issues that matter most, Romney practically is Obama?


^^ This ^^

This is exactly what the Paul campaign needs to address (the "lesser of two evils" douchebags).  Thus far, this is practically every Republican and self-proclaimed independent I've talked to... and I'm in Texas.

Very few are actually voting for Romney, but rather against Obama.  With the right selection of ads targeting TwoFace, not only could these people be shown how their strategy is so obviously flawed, but also give them something to vote for... if not Dr. Paul, at least the -ideas- being put forth for the cause of liberty.

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Sorry, but that simply isn't true. If attack ads didn't work, then major party candidates wouldn't invest millions of dollars producing them every single election season.

That statement is a logical fallacy.

In this situation concerning attack ads you also have to consider that Romney has the entire MSM on his side.  That is a losing battle for Ron Paul which is why he has chosen not to engage in it.  Your metaphor for the boxing match is lacking.  Ron Paul is in the 11th round of a 12 round boxing match, he is losing in points, and the match is rigged so that RP couldn't win even if he knocked Romney out.  Why fight?  RP will only get injured.

The MSM is already maneuvering to denounce an RP victory by claiming that if RP wins it will be an afront to the political process.  It's about liberty not winning.  Freeing ourselves from the corrupt political process is the first step in achieving that.  We don't need the RNC to affirm that RP is the right guy.  You can't use the system against itself.

So, to continue the metaphor, we should all just leave the boxing match.  We can set up our own boxing matches with our own rules, and Romney isn't invited.

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I agree with him need to take the offensive and fight hard like he really wants the title, to borrow from the boxing analogy put forth by Geo.

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Yep, all but TGP are ap sourced aswell.

TGP is the only one that actually has decent listings, tho they didnt update anything according to recent delegate conventions yet.

That's irrelevant to the central point I've been making. The point is that every single delegate count I know of shows that Romney is over 600 delegates ahead of Paul, and how this illustrates an urgent need to go on the offensive against Romney.

If you're saying Paul shouldn't go on the offensive against Romney, then all I can say is that, with "opponents" like you, the Romney campaign doesn't need any allies.
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If you're saying Paul shouldn't go on the offensive against Romney, then all I can say is that, with "opponents" like you, the Romney campaign doesn't need any allies.

The point isn't that Romney shouldn't be called out for being the establishment whore that he is.  We should call him out.  The point is that RP need not involve himself in this fight.  If RP is embroiled in petty fighting with the Romney camp that will detract from his message of liberty.  RP has all of the grass roots support he needs to smear Romney and his idiotic supporters.  We should be on the attack, but we don't need any orders or direction from RP.  THAT is the point, and I believe RP is relying on us.  We the people need to end the power of the establishment.  RP can't do it alone.  Placing too much value on RP weakens the liberty movement.  Without RP the message of liberty still resonates.  RP is just the current face of the operation, and we cannot tarnish it through the use of silly attack ads.

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Sorry, but that simply isn't true. If attack ads didn't work, then major party candidates wouldn't invest millions of dollars producing them every single election season.


Ron Paul is having funding problems ?  Excuse me.    ;)

Party, he needs no stinking Party.

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In this situation concerning attack ads you also have to consider that Romney has the entire MSM on his side.  That is a losing battle for Ron Paul which is why he has chosen not to engage in it.

And the delegate count now reflects that "losing" strategy.

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Your metaphor for the boxing match is lacking.  Ron Paul is in the 11th round of a 12 round boxing match, he is losing in points, and the match is rigged so that RP couldn't win even if he knocked Romney out.  Why fight?  RP will only get injured.

If there's no reason to fight, then why cheerlead?

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We don't need the RNC to affirm that RP is the right guy.

No, but people can't vote for RP if he's not on the ballot. (Anyone who thinks a candidate can win a presidential election as a "write-in" is completely ignorant of U.S. political history and is quite frankly living in fantasy world.)

And you can't defeat tyranny by parroting feel-good slogans about "liberty" all day long, either.

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You can't use the system against itself.

Not if you make excuses all day for not fighting, you can't!

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So, to continue the metaphor, we should all just leave the boxing match.

And do what? Run as the Constitution Party candidate? It's too late for that. Run as the Libertarian Party candidate? It's too late for that too. Run as an independent? Good luck getting on the ballot.

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We can set up our own boxing matches with our own rules.

You can do anything you want in imaginationland. But in the real world it's not nearly as simple as you're making it out to be.
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Ever hear of Ross Perot and Ralph Nader ?   ;)

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This would be the $#!tZ tho if Ron Paul took the Presidency as an independent because America FINALLY caught on to the Bilderberg connection with the oligarchy parties.

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Ever hear of Ross Perot and Ralph Nader ?   ;)

Yes, and I've also heard of deadlines for submitting ballot access signatures. (This is why Perot had to spend millions of dollars just to get on the ballot in all 50 states.)

Others, apparently, have not heard of them, which would explain why they act as though ballot access is automatic for anyone who runs as an independent. It's not, and there's no amount of cheerleading or sloganeering that can possibly change that fact between now and November. Unfortunately many people who are smart enough to know better seem determined to find this out the hard way. Oh well, I tried.
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The CP & LP just got their candidates can't Ron Paul just have his own "Bull Moose Party"  so to speak ?

Or maybe he may just win it by the write in campaign.

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@Geolibertarian: Headbutting the establishment will get you nowhere.  It has been tried before to no avail.  I am afraid that you are the one living in imaginationland on this one.  I am not relying on RP to set me free, and if you are then you have already lost whether or not RP wins.

As you can see from my posts here on RP delegate news I would love to see RP win, but RP is not the ultimate solution.  An RP presidency is a stepping stone to true liberty.  Maybe this will help you out.  Fast forward the video to 8min and 50sec for the most relevant part and watch until about 13min, or just watch the whole thing.

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This maybe a few days old but...is this the real projected delegate count?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012


Mitt Romney

Candidate    Secured delegates 724    Projected delegates 869   

Delegations with plurality 28
Alaska, American Samoa, Arizona, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Florida, Guam, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, New York, Northern Mariana Islands, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Puerto Rico, Rhode Island, U.S. Virgin Islands, Vermont, Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming

Rick Santorum

Candidate    Secured delegates 217    Projected delegates 254   

Delegations with plurality 6
Alabama, Kansas, North Dakota, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Tennessee

Newt Gingrich

Candidate    Secured delegates 131    Projected delegates 146   

Delegations with plurality 2
Georgia, South Carolina

Ron Paul

Candidate    Secured delegates 54 Projected delegates    92   

Delegations with plurality 1
Minnesota
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Or maybe he may just win it by the write in campaign.

If there's even a semi-realistic chance that a presidential candidate with good ideas could win as a "write-in," then why do you think 3rd parties spend so much time and money every election season collecting ballot access signatures? The answer, of course, is that they know full well that, no matter how good your ideas are, you have a better chance of being struck by lightning thee times in one day than you do of winning the presidency as a write-in candidate (especially in the age of touch-screen voting machines). It just isn't going to happen.

But that's all besides the point anyway. The point is that Ron Paul obviously has no intention of running as a write-in, and so -- in view of the current delegate count -- must start doing to Romney politically what Ray Mercer did to Tommy Morrison:

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEp87venT98
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Or maybe the whole delegate process needs to be challeneged ?

Remember when only land owners were able to vote in certain cultures ?

They call these Timocracies, a form of government in which a certain amount of property is requisite as a qualification for office.   Either voting or running for office.   These delegate processes remind me of just that.

True each party has a right to vote on their own candidate, however this other party discrimination by the 2 oligarchy parties has got to stop.   We don't tolerate discrimination of women and minorities but yet it is still tolerated with non-oligarchy parties.  THIS NEEDS TO STOP !!!!!!

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I know the "official" delegate count is largely the product of election fraud. Nevertheless, as any objective historian or political scientist will tell you, it's not how many delegates the candidate in question "should" have been awarded by the Republican Party machinery that determines whether or not he wins that party's presidential primary, but how many he's actually been awarded.

And at present the official delegate count stands as follows:

       Twitt Romney...847

       Ron Paul..........80

       Source: http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/delegates

Since 1,144 delegates are all that's needed to win, that means Romney has to win only 31% of the remaining delegates (962) to clinch the nomination.

Now, in view of what Romney's average vote percentage has been thus far (particularly since the Illinois primary), it would be the height of self-delusion to assert that the odds are not very much in Romney's favor at this point.

With that political reality in mind, an obvious question arises: does Ron Paul have even a remote chance of winning the GOP primary without attacking Romney far more aggressively than he's done so far?

His campaign management team seems to think so, because if you go to the main page of his official campaign web site, you'll see three video ads featured on the right-hand side, only one of which even mentions Romney's name, and only then in the context of referring to him very briefly as a "flip-flopper" (which is like calling Hitler a "jaywalker"), and none of which mention any of the reasons why a vote for Romney is a vote for the NWO; and you'll see only one measly headline out of six that actually mentions Romney, and only then in the context of some pathetic fluff piece about why Paul "appeals to young voters more than Romney." No mention of Romney's support of the treasonous NDAA. No mention of his alliance with the treasonous Bush family. No mention of his support of the globalist cap and trade scam. And so on and so forth.

I have a lot of respect and admiration for Ron Paul (even though I don't agree with him on everything). But I'm afraid I can't say the same for his campaign team.

His gloves have been off for a long time and Ron Paul has blown the New York Times totally bullshit numbers out of the water.

The New York Times still thinks that Romney/Santorum won Iowa...RON PAUL DID!

They think that Romney/Santorum won Louisiana..RON PAUL DID!

They think that Romney/Santorum won Massachussetts..RON PAUL DID!

They think that Romney/Santorum won Alaska..RON PAUL DID!

They think that Romney/Santorum won Colorado..RON PAUL DID!

They think that Romney/Santorum won Nevada..RON PAUL IS!
http://www.dailypaul.com/230919/first-poster-but-wanted-to-get-word-out-live-streaming-rp-nv-convention

They think that Romney/Santorum won Maine..RON PAUL IS!
http://www.dailypaul.com/230910/maine-state-convention-update-thread

There are at least 15 other states that Ron Paul has a chance of winning. THe media wants us to blame Ron Paul for low numbers WHICH DO NOT EXIST, THEY ARE FANTASY!

Ron Paul's campaign has guaranteed a spot on the nomination in Tampa, the GOP is required to have his name on the ballot for all the states to vote. The media is clueless about the electoral process in the US or they are lying their asses off.

And Ron Paul is transforming the entire GOP in America, the old warmongering neocon psychopathic debt spenders are losing every position in the GOP framework.

Please go to dailypaul.com as often as possible, it is about the only true news source covering the 2012 GOP nomination.
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As predicted, Ron Paul backers take over Maine GOP convention
http://bangordailynews.com/2012/05/05/politics/as-predicted-ron-paul-backers-take-over-maine-gop-convention/
By Eric Russell, BDN Staff
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AUGUSTA, Maine — Fervent supporters of Ron Paul assumed control of the Maine Republican Party convention on Saturday with hopes of using their new power to send a majority of delegates to represent Maine at the national convention.

The narrow election late Saturday morning of Paul delegates as convention secretary and convention chairman allowed Paul’s supporters to shift the event away from the Maine GOP establishment.

Maine Republican Party Chairman Charlie Webster had predicted in an email last week to Republicans that Paul supporters would attempt to assert their authority at the convention and that’s exactly what happened.

“Takeover is strong word; we’re all registered Republicans here,” said Matthew McDonald of Belfast, a Waldo County Republican and a Paul supporter. “But Chairman Webster called Ron Paul supporters wingnuts, he saw us as a fringe minority; now we hold the power of the convention.”

It was a major symbolic coup for Paul supporters and a bit of a letdown for Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee. Ironically, Romney’s brother, Scott Romney, was scheduled to deliver the convention’s keynote address on Saturday evening.

Rep. Jeffrey Timberlake, R-Turner, said this was his third state convention but he hasn’t experienced anything like what happened on Saturday.

“What has taken six or seven hours today is normally done in 15 to 20 minutes,” he joked. “I think this is the last stand of the Paul supporters and it’s certainly their right to do it. This is a prime example of why we should go to a primary instead of caucus.”

Even before the convention kicked off in earnest Saturday morning, there was a buzz around the event.

Would Webster face a backlash for apparently bending the rules to name a convention chairman ahead of time and not at the convention? Would Ron Paul supporters “take over” the convention, as Webster feared? Would what is supposed to be a party-building gathering devolve into a fractured mess?

Those questions were answered by lunchtime: Yes, yes and yes.

In extremely close votes late Saturday morning, convention-goers elected Ron Morrell, a Paul delegate, as secretary and then elected Brent Tweed, also a Paul delegate, as chairman.

Both were picked ahead of candidates that had been endorsed by the party establishment and those votes signaled a shift in how the convention would unfold.

After hours of confusion, a break for lunch and a 20-minute speech by U.S. Sen. Susan Collins, the convention resumed with Tweed holding the gavel instead of Webster.

From there, things didn’t get any smoother.

Convention-goers began the process of nominating delegates to represent Maine at the national GOP convention in Tampa in late August.

Maine gets 24 delegates. Three delegates already were spoken for before the convention. Those spots go to the state party’s national committeeman, national committeewoman and the current chairman, Webster.

Six more delegates will be picked by the congressional district committees — three from the 1st District, three from the 2nd — and that is expected on Sunday.

That leaves 15 at-large delegates that were to be selected on Saturday. Paul needs 13 of them to break for him and if that happens, it means he would effectively win Maine. It also would reverse a February announcement by the Maine GOP that Romney had won the state, according to a controversial presidential preference poll that helped galvanize Paul’s supporters.

Time seemed to be running out on Saturday for those at-large delegates to be selected. That piece of business likely will be decided either late Saturday evening or on Sunday morning.

Asked whether the convention chaos would hurt the party, Timberlake said he thinks just the opposite will happen.

“At the end of the day, we’re all going to be united,” he said.

The convention began early Saturday with more than 3,000 Maine Republicans filing into the Augusta Civic Center. The event continued throughout the day on Saturday and was scheduled to resume on Sunday.

In addition to Scott Romney and Collins, the featured speakers on Saturday included U.S. House candidates Jonathan Courtney and Patrick Calder in the 1st District and Kevin Raye and Blaine Richardson in the 2nd District.

On Sunday, Gov. Paul LePage, Sen. Olympia Snowe and the six Republicans who want to take over her seat are expected to address the convention.
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Romney to get less than 50% of delegates from the early states
http://www.dailypaul.com/231153/romney-to-get-less-than-50-of-delegates-from-the-early-states
Submitted by GrahamW on Sat, 05/05/2012 - 18:32

I've been gathering data and reports to keep track of how many delegates have actually been chosen so far, and who they support. And to try to come up with a more reliable estimate of how many delegates Ron Paul is likely to win in states that have not chosen their National delegates yet.

It is all here at the Mises Wiki: http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012

So the big question: how is Ron Paul doing?

Here is my analysis of the first 13 states. Between them, these 13 states send 426 delegates to RNC.

--- Three states (CO,MN,WY) (105 delegates) have finished assigning delegates. Vote count: Paul 50, Romney 39, Other 16.
--- One state (NH) has finished assigning delegates, but it has assigned 20 when it only has an allocation of 12. Delegate count: Paul 5, Romney 12, Other 3. (This may be factored down to Paul 3, Romney 7, Other 2)
--- One state (MO) (52 delegates) has assigned some delegates. Vote count: Paul 4, Romney 12, Other 11. The remaining 25 are assigned on 2 June.
--- Four states (IO,NV,ME,WA) (123 delegates) have yet to assign any delegates (all do in May or early June), but RP is expected to do well. RP is expected to take all 24 delegates from ME, a majority of delegates in IO (14+), NV (14+) and WA (22+).
--- Three states (SC, AZ, MI) (84 delegates) have yet to assign any delegates.
--- One state (FL) (50 delegates) is involved in a dispute involving how to assign it’s delegates: winner-take-all or proportional.

From the five states (169 delegates) where delegates have been assigned, we have: Paul 57 (40%), Romney 58 (40%), Other 29 (20%), plus 25 more to be assigned in MO. If these 25 are assigned in the same proportion as the first 27 in that state, we have an additional Paul 4, Romney 11, Other 10.

If the projections of a clean-sweep in ME and Paul majorities in IO, NV and WA are accurate, Paul can expect at least another 74, leaving Romney with no more than 49, from those four states. Assume the worst-case that all these 49 go to Romney. Adding these estimates to the totals, we get from these nine states (292 delegates): Paul 135 (46%), Romney 118 (40%), Other 39 (13%).

Assume that FL ends up using winner-takes-all and all 50 go to Romney. The mainstream media are projecting zero delegates for Paul in SC, AZ or MI. They project 94 for Romney, and 40 for Other. Taking these worst-case scenarios for these four states, we have Paul 135 (32%), Romney 212 (50%), Other 79 (19%). The delegates in the Other category were mostly candidates bound to Santorum or Gingrich, and many of these are now free to vote for whoever they wish.

The Ron Paul delegate strategy appears to be working. It looks like Romney might win less than 50% of the delegates from the 13 early states.


Delegate Strategy Working! - Video - "Be the Win"
http://www.dailypaul.com/230996/delegate-strategy-working-video-be-the-win
Submitted by Ah Hey Hardie on Fri, 05/04/2012 - 22:33

Ron Paul's delegate strategy is paying off in huge ways.

http://youtu.be/G5ZPFLTl090

Make sure every Ron Paul delegate knows how important it is that they continue to fight for the win.

Let's get every one of our people out to their conventions this weekend and send a message to the country that this race is not over.
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With that political reality in mind, an obvious question arises: does Ron Paul have even a remote chance of winning the GOP primary without attacking Romney far more aggressively than he's done so far?

His campaign management team seems to think so, because if you go to the main page of his official campaign web site, you'll see three video ads featured on the right-hand side, only one of which even mentions Romney's name, and only then in the context of referring to him very briefly as a "flip-flopper" (which is like calling Hitler a "jaywalker"), and none of which mention any of the reasons why a vote for Romney is a vote for the NWO; and you'll see only one measly headline out of six that actually mentions Romney, and only then in the context of some pathetic fluff piece about why Paul "appeals to young voters more than Romney." No mention of Romney's support of the treasonous NDAA. No mention of his alliance with the treasonous Bush family. No mention of his support of the globalist cap and trade scam. And so on and so forth.

I have a lot of respect and admiration for Ron Paul (even though I don't agree with him on everything). But I'm afraid I can't say the same for his campaign team.

I am not convinced that this is something that Ron's "campaign team" is doing of their own accord.  If that were true, then you would have to believe that the campaign team operates without the knowledge or consent of Ron Paul... which would bring Ron Paul's 'leadership' into serious question.
How could we believe in his leadership as president, if he allows his campaign team to blunder in such a huge way? He's allowing his campaign team to be 'soft' on his main adversary in the GOP race?

I don't think that's the case; I think they are marching to Ron Paul's orders.

If, at this late stage in the GOP primary race, Ron Paul is pulling punches against Romney, (which has clearly been the case), then you have to wonder why. Tarpley's interview suggests a reason:

Webster Tarpley interview: May 3, 2012:
http://tarpley.net/2012/05/03/romney-allied-to-netanyahu-ron-paul-allied-to-romney/

Tarpley makes these points (at appx 29 mins into the interview):

Ron Paul has not attacked Romney beyond calling him a "flip-flopper", something that Tarpley likens to calling Hitler "a jaywalker". He has not pointed out the most alarming truths about Romney; those truths that would lessen Romney's influence with voters, and possibly bring more people into the Ron Paul camp.

So why not? He starts with Romney's friendship with Netanyahu:

Romney & Netanyahu formed a friendship while both worked for Boston Consulting Group in the late 70s.

This friendship was invoked by Romney in the Republican debates, when, in response to Gingrich's statements that the Palestinian people are "an invented people", he countered with,

"And if I'm president of the United States, I will exercise sobriety, care, stability and make sure that I don't say anything like this. Anything I say that can affect a place with -- with rockets going in, with people dying. I don't do anything that would harm that -- that process. And, therefore, before I made a statement of that nature, I'd get on the phone to my friend, Bibi Netanyahu and say, would it help if I say this? What would you like me to do? Let's work together because we're partners. I'm not a bomb-thrower. Rhetorically or literally."

(also see: http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/64950/romney-backers-laud-resolute-approach-to-mideast-policy/

Tarpley points out that this is Romney's admission that he would be "farming out the US/Middle East policy to Israel, with a blatancy and openness ..which goes beyond many earlier practitioners."

Romney is a hawk, and in concert with Netanyahu, would seek invade Iran, and, although Ron Paul doesn't mention this, he would do so with the aid and support of the US.

If you've watched the Republican debates, you will have to agree with Tarpley's observation that Ron Paul did not attack Romney in any substantive way, but instead ran interference for Romney. At the time, I had to agree with Dig, that this was because Ron Paul was actually 'running' his campaign against the other contenders; so that as the convention neared, he would then focus his energy on defeating Romney with a full-on attack.

But that's not happening.

So Tarpley's belief is that Ron Paul is going easy on Romney because he believes he does not have enough delegates to win against Romney, and because of his concern for his son's future.
Perhaps Tarpley has a point.


Rand Paul: 'It would be an honor' to serve as Mitt Romney's VP
The State Column | Feb 23, 2012
http://www.indyinasia.com/2012/02/rand-paul%E2%80%99it-would-be-an-honor%E2%80%99-to-serve-as-mitt-romney%E2%80%99s-vice-president/
U.S. Sen. Rand Paul, a Kentucky Republican, told reporters in Kentucky after a speech Wednesday that he would be honored to serve as Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s vice presidential running mate, WFPL News reports.

The son of Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul gave a speech in Louisville, Kentucky Wednesday, and afterwards reporters asked him if he would accept an offer from Mr. Romney to be his running mate if the situation presented itself.

“I don’t know if I can answer that question, but I can say it would be an honor to be considered,” said Mr. Paul.

Kristol: There's room in the GOP for Rand Paul
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/kristol_theres_room_in_the_gop.html

Bill Kristol, editor in chief of the Weekly Standard and a contributor to The Post, was one of the national security hawks contacted in March by allies of Trey Grayson with a warning about Rand Paul. "On foreign policy, [global war on terror], Gitmo, Afghanistan, Rand Paul is NOT one of us," wrote Cesar Conda, a former aide to Dick Cheney, to Kristol and to other conservatives.

Now that Paul is the GOP's nominee in Kentucky, what does Kristol think of him?

"Paul ran a good campaign," Kristol said. "He did a good job of being less like his dad -- seeming less 'out there' -- so if you were a normal Kentucky voter you thought you were voting for a Sarah Palin-like, anti-Washington figure, not someone who bought into the whole Ron Paul agenda."

Would Kristol welcome Rand Paul into the GOP fold?

"It's a big Senate," said Kristol, laughing. "It'll be a bigger Republican caucus next year. There'll be room for him. It's a very small price to pay for a very helpful and hopeful upsurge of tea party, anti-establishment feeling."

And is it better to have Ron Paul's supporters working inside the GOP, even if it means they can knock off candidates supported by Cheney, Conda, et al?

"Was it better for the Democrats to have the MoveOn people join them? Yes, obviously. People like me were disgusted by them, and they did some things that were disgusting, like the General Petraeus ad. At the end of the day, in American politics, you can't have a big, energetic grass-roots movement without having a lot of elements of it that you're not going to personally like or agree with. But to be fair to Rand Paul, there's a lot of distance between Rand Paul's agenda, which isn't exactly mine, and the caricature of nativism or isolationism."

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Rand Paul on Iran Sanctions
Submitted by rudys_fire on Thu, 03/01/2012 - 18:23
http://www.dailypaul.com/217658/rand-paul-on-iran-sanctions

March 1, 2012

About a month ago, I decided to email Dr. Rand Paul and asked why he voted for Iran Sanctions. He finally replied back to me. On the premise of sanctions not affecting the people of Iran, I accept his response although I can't say I'd do the same thing. What do you think?

Here it is below.

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Dear Mr. Peterson,

Thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding sanctions on Iran. I appreciate hearing your thoughts on this issue.

In November 2011, the Senate began debate on the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for Fiscal Year 2012 (S. 1867). NDAA provides the authorization for spending by the Department of Defense (DoD) for procurement, base management and military operations.

While debating S. 1867, Senator Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) introduced an amendment to place sanctions on the Central Bank of Iran (S.Amdt.1414). S.Amdt.1414 passed unanimously by the Senate and included in S. 1867. Following the passage of S. 1867, the language contained in S.Amdt.1414 was included in the conference committee version of NDAA (H.R. 1540). Despite my opposition, H.R. 1540 passed both the House of Representatives and the Senate by votes of 283-136 and 86-13 respectively. H.R. 1540 has been signed into law by President Obama.

The Iranian regime is engaged in the pursuit of nuclear weapons and supports terrorism across the globe. I supported S.Amdt.1414 because the sanctions are targeted to the regime's financing of those activities through the central bank and unlike other sanctions, not against the Iranian people.


Rest assured as debate continues in the Senate regarding Iran, I will keep your thoughts in mind. Feel free to contact me again regarding any federal issue in the future.

Sincerely,

Rand Paul

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So Rand Paul wants sanctions against the "central bank" of Iran; not the Iranian people.
Is he so naive to think sanctions against the central bank won't be the same thing? He's either kidding himself, or he's disingenuous. Either way, he supported the NDAA, and he supported sanctions against Iran.
His views on that are consistent with Romney's.

No wonder Bill Kristol would welcome him.

And yet, Ron Paul is not Rand Paul.
Then why not 'take off the gloves'?


When the "Ron Paul could be Romney's VP" rumor was floated, the argument in support of his reluctance to slam Romney was that he needed to focus his efforts to defeat Gingrich & Santorum. Well, he did.

Now why not take off the gloves?



 
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Earlier today Alex aired a speech in which Ron Paul said:

"One time a few months ago somebody asked me in the media, they said: 'Who are you running against? What indvidual are you running against?' I think they wanted me to say that 100% of our problems came from Obama. And I didn't yield to their temptation to say that, even though he's responsible for an awful lot of the mess we have. No, I said: 'The one individual that I'm running against is Keynes.' . . . Some people didn't understand it. But guess what? I'm getting the debate changed through his apostle, Paul Krugman."

Was it Keynes or Krugman who said that, as President, he would have signed the treasonous NDAA? No, it was Romney:

      http://www.prisonplanet.com/romney-would-sign-ndaa.html

Was it Keynes or Krugman whom the treasonous Bush family endorsed for President this year? No, it was Romney:

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkLJNN_qioQ (Jeb Bush Endorses Mitt Romney Calls On Party To Unite)
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJNI1qw0l04 (Mitt Romney gets George H.W. Bush endorsement)

Is it Keynes or Krugman who's stealing delegates from Ron Paul? No, it's ROMNEY:

     http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=231811.0

Am I the only one disgusted by this ongoing reluctance to draw attention to just how horrible a candidate Romney is?

     http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=219836.0 (The Mitt Romney Deception)
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Maybe Ron Paul has decided to run against the establishment - the left/right paradigm - in the sense that he's just out there talking about liberty, waking people up, not focusing on actually running 'against' his opponents, but running against the system in general. He mentioned Keynes, and how he is using Krugman to point out the bs.  So he is essentially not running against Romney, he's doing his own campaign against the economic policies.

Ron Paul vs. the way things are now.

Ron Paul vs. Obamney (same guy in two different suits)

Voters will have to recognize there's only one candidate for president:
the Romney/Obama ticket. Vote for either, you get the same thing.

Ron Paul is not going to divert attention to the specifics of Romney's 'soft spots', he's going to continue to run against the policies.
I think I get this now - he's busy waking people up to the loss of our liberties; and focusing on Romney diverts from the more important issues.  He's already conceded: he's using his time in the spotlight (what little he gets) to continue his fight to make us aware of what we've lost, and the looming danger that we face. That's his platform: he's a patriot first and foremost, and it makes sense that he's not getting into the dirty politics of bashing the gladiator put before us; he's bashing the guys who organize the matches.

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Maybe Ron Paul has decided to run against the establishment - the left/right paradigm - in the sense that he's just out there talking about liberty, waking people up, not focusing on actually running 'against' his opponents, but running against the system in general. He mentioned Keynes, and how he is using Krugman to point out the bs.  So he is essentially not running against Romney, he's doing his own campaign against the economic policies.

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Ron Paul is not going to divert attention to the specifics of Romney's 'soft spots', he's going to continue to run against the policies.

That's an emotionally comforting theory. The problem is that, when specifically asked "who" he was running against, instead of saying he wasn't running against any particular individual but rather against certain "policies," he said point blank he was running against "Keynes."

Must even simple statements like that be creatively interpreted as though we were looking at a Da Vinci painting?

With regard to "policies," isn't the NDAA one of the policies we should be most concerned about?

     http://www.prisonplanet.com/yes-americans-will-be-targeted-as-terrorists-under-the-ndaa.html
     http://www.infowars.com/ndaa-another-step-in-the-fascist-takeover-of-america/
     http://www.naturalnews.com/034291_SB_1867_war_on_terror.html
     http://www.prisonplanet.com/indefinite-detention-bill-passes-senate-93-7.html
     http://www.prisonplanet.com/happy-new-year-obama-signs-ndaa-indefinite-detention-now-law-of-the-land.html
     http://www.prisonplanet.com/obamas-ndaa-signing-statement-is-meaningless.html
     http://www.prisonplanet.com/myth-busted-yes-the-ndaa-does-apply-to-americans-and-heres-the-text-that-says-so.html
     http://www.prisonplanet.com/final-curtain-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-of-citizens-into-law-as-final-act-of-2011.html
     http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28611
     http://www.prisonplanet.com/ndaa-is-washingtons-totalitarian-response-to-political-dissent-and-economic-collapse.html

When Romney says that, as President, he would've signed that treasonous bill, are we supposed to blame Keynes for that too?
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I think I get this now - he's busy waking people up to the loss of our liberties; and focusing on Romney diverts from the more important issues. 
What do you under-stand?

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That's an emotionally comforting theory. The problem is that, when specifically asked "who" he was running against, instead of saying he wasn't running against any particular individual but rather against certain "policies," he said point blank he was running against "Keynes."

Must even simple statements like that be creatively interpreted as though we were looking at a Da Vinci painting?

With regard to "policies," isn't the NDAA one of the policies we should be most concerned about?

     http://www.prisonplanet.com/yes-americans-will-be-targeted-as-terrorists-under-the-ndaa.html
     http://www.infowars.com/ndaa-another-step-in-the-fascist-takeover-of-america/
     http://www.naturalnews.com/034291_SB_1867_war_on_terror.html
     http://www.prisonplanet.com/indefinite-detention-bill-passes-senate-93-7.html
     http://www.prisonplanet.com/happy-new-year-obama-signs-ndaa-indefinite-detention-now-law-of-the-land.html
     http://www.prisonplanet.com/obamas-ndaa-signing-statement-is-meaningless.html
     http://www.prisonplanet.com/myth-busted-yes-the-ndaa-does-apply-to-americans-and-heres-the-text-that-says-so.html
     http://www.prisonplanet.com/final-curtain-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-of-citizens-into-law-as-final-act-of-2011.html
     http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28611
     http://www.prisonplanet.com/ndaa-is-washingtons-totalitarian-response-to-political-dissent-and-economic-collapse.html

When Romney says that, as President, he would've signed that treasonous bill, are we supposed to blame Keynes for that too?

Yes, it's emotionally comforting; because the COGNITIVE DISSONANCE that is created by his refusal to co-sponsor the bill that would impeach Obama is very difficult to comprehend. What's up with that? The only thing I can think of (short of something sinister, which I doubt), is that he's not 'going there', instead continuing to hammer at the fed.
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Yes, it's emotionally comforting; because the COGNITIVE DISSONANCE that is created by his refusal to co-sponsor the bill that would impeach Obama is very difficult to comprehend. What's up with that? The only thing I can think of (short of something sinister, which I doubt), is that he's not 'going there', instead continuing to hammer at the fed.

Impeaching Obama would play into the left-right paradigm.  Ron Paul is too smart for that.  RP doesn't need to get caught up in such childish antics.  If Obama is going to be impeached we better impeach the majority of Congress and SCOTUS along with him or else THAT would be cognitive dissonance.

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Impeaching Obama would play into the left-right paradigm.

Wrong, it would be defending the U.S. Constitution.

Since when is that playing into the left-right paradigm?

Before you wrap your counterargument in the flag of Ron Paul again, please understand that not even Alex agrees with you on this, and he's the one who coined the term "left-right paradigm":

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http://www.infowars.com/obama-impeachment-2012/

Obama Impeachment 2012

Kurt Nimmo and Alex Jones
Infowars.com
Aprill 11, 2012

We can only win by launching Impeach Obama 2012. Whether or not we fully impeach him, we are committed to rebuking these unconstitutional and criminal power grabs and are determined to take the case to the court of public opinion. -- Alex Jones

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b76mBlnm86w

Film director, producer, actor and writer Sean Stone has thrown his weight behind a resolution introduced in the House last month by North Carolina Republican Walter Jones. Resolution 107 states that should the president use offensive military force without the authorization of Congress that such an act would be “an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor.”

Article I, Section 8, of the Constitution reserves exclusively for Congress the power to declare war. Both Thomas Jefferson and James Madison argued that the power to declare war must reside in the legislative branch of government and the president will only act as the commander-in-chief and direct the war after it is declared by Congress.

“The constitution supposes, what the history of all governments demonstrates, that the executive is the branch of power most interested in war, and most prone to it. It has accordingly with studied care vested the question of war in the legislature,” Madison wrote.

In the video, Stone notes Obama’s unconstitutional war on Libya was waged “despite the fact that the United States was neither attacked, nor threatened for attack by the nation of Libya.”

Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta said during questioning by Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama that the Obama administration does not believe Congress has the exclusive right to declare war and that the Pentagon answers to the United Nations, not the people of the United States.

The Obama administration “does not believe that the Congress has the exclusive power to declare war,” Stone notes, and “accordingly the president should be impeached.”

Stone also mentions Obama’s facilitation of the banker engineered 2008 “bailout” as an additiojnal reason he should be tried for High Crimes and Misdemeanors and impeached. Obama’s efforts worked in favor of the “consolidation of private banks, many of them in Europe.”

“There was no investment of any meaningful type in the physical economy, there was no protection of the American people,” Sean explains. “Rather, an illegal commitment made on behalf of private banking interests, to commit the American people to paying a debt that the American people did not accrue.”

He rightly notes that Obama’s actions “represent the most clear violation of the principal of the general welfare of the people in the preamble of the Constitution of the United States.”

In addition to setting the stage for the economic rape of the American people and waging illegal and unconstitutional wars, Obama has committed a number of other egregious violations of the Constitution.

Specifically, Obama violated the Constitution’s Takings and Due Process Clauses when he bullied the secured creditors of automaker Chrysler into accepting 30 cents on the dollar while politically connected labor unions and preferential others received better deals.

In addition, the Dodd-Frank financial “reform” bill created the so-called Financial Protection Bureau and Financial Stability Oversight Council, bureaucratic monstrosities that are now engaged in unchecked and unconstitutional economic action without consulting Congress. The Dodd-Frank bill also further empowers the bankster’s preferred cartel, the Federal Reserve (which has engaged in unconstitutional activity for nearly a hundred years).

The Obamacare mandate is the most obvious violation. “No list of President Obama’s constitutional violations would be complete without including the requirement that every American purchase health insurance, on penalty of civil fine. The individual mandate is unprecedented and exceeds Congress’s power to regulate interstate commerce. If it is allowed to stand, Congress will be able to impose any kind of economic mandate as part of any kind of national regulatory scheme. Fortunately, the Supreme Court has a chance to strike this down during its current term,” writes Ilya Shapiro, a Senior Fellow in Constitutional Studies, Cato Institute.

Obama signed into law the NDAAwith a provision allowing the military to indefinitely detain American citizens. “He will forever be known as the president who signed indefinite detention without charge or trial into law,” said the executive director of the ACLU, Anthony Romero.

Finally, Obama may be tried and impeached for signing a large number of executive orders. Article II of the Constitution provides the president with three options when presented with legislation – do nothing, sign the bill, or veto it in its entirety.

“Obama’s use of signing statements has clearly shown his willingness to continue the George W. Bush legacy – not only of torture and illegal detainment, but in the dangerous trend of de facto rule by ‘executive fiat.’ Worse, such signing statements put in place a precedent for future presidents to follow – or expand upon,” writes Aaron Dykes.

Obama is definitely a renegade president in violation of the law. He is guilty of treason and must be brought up on formal charges. The House must introduce a resolution for impeachment and a trial must be held in the Senate.

It can be argued that Obama has done little different than any number of presidents going back to Abraham Lincoln. Now is the time to put an end to this treasonous and tyrannical behavior. If we continue to allow the executive to flagrantly violate the Constitution, we will eventually end up with a full-blown dictatorship run out of the White House. Congress will become ceremonial and the will of the American people will be null and void once and for all.

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Offline tritonman

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Two wrongs will never make a right, Of Course Obama Should be Impeached, good grief.  WAKE UP// ::)
Yes congressmen should go with him but your logic is absolutely nuts.

Offline Libertarian Perspective

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I see an increasing hickacking and infiltration of the Daily Paul by establisment peopel posing as "dissapointed Ron Paul supporters." They are posting thigs like: Why woin't ron paul attack Romney, challenge election fraud and so forth and chastising him for virtually suspending his campaign when he has done no such thing. When we can draw crowds thrice the size of Obama and 10 times the size of Romneys and are sweepeing the delegate count now is not the time to give up.

What you must do is become a delegate, go to the state convention take a camera document everything to stop shenannigans by the establisment but whatever you do DO NOT GIVE UP!
“Good luck to him. I don’t blame him at all, but I just
wish he had not hit me so hard. I know he had to protect
his property, and I probably would have done the
same thing in his position. This has certainly stopped
me committing any more crime.” - British burglar elaborating robbery

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Offline Libertarian Perspective

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I really don't understand you post. It's in fact the other way around, establisment people never challenge Romney or Obama on the important issues.
Do you have something to say about Ron Paul or are you interested in only talking about Romney?
“Good luck to him. I don’t blame him at all, but I just
wish he had not hit me so hard. I know he had to protect
his property, and I probably would have done the
same thing in his position. This has certainly stopped
me committing any more crime.” - British burglar elaborating robbery