Assassination of AZ militiaman J.T. Ready!?!?

[a ReVoLuTIONarY ideA]

"A leading neo-Nazi reportedly blamed by authorities in Arizona for killing two women, an Army veteran and a 16-month-old child in a suspected domestic incident was “cruel and controlling,” according to a former co-worker of one victim."

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/03/11518129-neo-nazi-who-killed-family-was-cruel-controlling-friend-of-victims-says#comments

This story is absolute bullshit, and it's being used to defame the militia movement.  Below is an interview with J.T. Ready.  This man was not a Neo-Nazi!  He was running for sheriff, and obviously someone didn't like that, pure and simple.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPOPzjWNrG0

At the end of the MSNBC article the truth comes out...

"A Facebook page entitled "JT Ready for Sheriff" carried a message from the administrator noting unconfirmed reports that "a cartel assassination squad murdered JT Ready and several of his friends and family this afternoon in Gilbert Arizona," according to Reuters."

[Kilika]

Really? You know the guy? So he was never a member of the National Socialist Movement?

Sure, the guy was running for sheriff, but that doesn't mean squat in relation to his past affiliations. He had a beef with illegals crossing the border and was a racist from all indications.

Did he leave behind his racist past and turn over a new leaf and come to his senses? I HIGHLY doubt it. THat said, he was messing around the border, and no doubt made some people mad, so the description of the scene tells me it could have been a murder suicide, OR he was knocked off by some illegals. Don't know.

What I do know is that the woman killed my wife knew, not personally but they worked in the same building before she left for maturnity leave to have the child that was killed also. Word is that the child was shot in the face. That's from some local comments of people in the area. I live right next to Gilbert. That woman was only like 20 years old, and all indications was that she was a really nice girl just trying to make a life with her child.

Whatever the deal, that guy was no angel. And the baggage that followed him he brought to that house and now 4 people, including a child, is dead. THAT is JT Ready.

[stymo1]

Do you know the guy Kilik? I know I don't, but if someone is against illegal immigration, does that make them a racist? I think not. Do you have proof he was/is a racist? If so bring it on.

[Kilika]

Have you ever heard of the National Socialist Movement? Enough said. That guy was no patriot. He was a thug in cammos trying to run for sheriff so he could further his agenda.

So tell me, if you don't know the guy, why are you defending him?

What about the little girl that was murdered there, along with her young mother? What about them? Don't they matter, yet here you people go whining about some thug playing army.

You got some screwed up morals!

[MonkeyPuppet]

Do you have proof he was/is a racist? If so bring it on.

Well, there's a lot of juicy shit over at http://whitereference.blogspot.com ... use their handy search tool.

[stymo1]

I'm not defending anyone. I don't like blanket statements without some backup. Like I said, I dont know the guy.

My morals are fine.

[MonkeyPuppet]

I'm not defending anyone. I don't like blanket statements without some backup. Like I said, I dont know the guy.

My morals are fine.

I didn't make any such inference with your post, stymo (and yes, I know this reply was meant for someone else), and I think your request for some background information on the claims of J.T.'s racism is completely valid.

As you can find at the link I posted, there's plenty to support the accusation.  The blog contains a large volume of articles dedicated to his endeavors as well as copies of his personal correspondence and articles.  While being "pro-White" is not necessarily "racist", much of his commentary doesn't exactly paint the the most tolerant of characterizations.

Perhaps he mostly despised what he considered a larger percentage of criminal and immoral behavior among non-whites, but it would take quite the sympathetic perspective to see it that way.  That said, there is much of the same type of commentary from the other side of the equation referring to whites in generalities as well.  One has to wonder why the double-standard... in this day and age, of course.  Not defending him, but that doesn't make the observation any less valid.

[Kilika]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey7JtRzpcmA

Just for starters. Know your enemy!

[Kilika]

It's confirmed, Ready was there.

He's dead, along with his girlfriend, the girlfriends daughter and granddaughter, and another male about the age of the young girl, which he may have been her boyfriend and father of the little girl. Not sure yet.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/02/arizona-police-respond-to-shooting-with-multiple-victims/?intcmp=obnetwork

[JT Coyoté]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey7JtRzpcmA

Just for starters. Know your enemy!

You are building a strawman here Kili, that has nothing to do with the facts of the massacre... emphasizing this man with the words "know your enemy" why are you doing that?

you're first post was a, "nothing to see here... move along..." post. Your strawman here seems to contradict that...

shouldn't the forensic facts at the scene be investigated thoroughly first...

Did you know the guy Kili...? Were you there when it happened...?

Should it be swept away without real inquiry because he was affiliated with a fringe group in his past... isn't it true he distanced himself from the government provocateur group, the NSM....when he realized their true roll...

Was his candidacy for sheriff gaining support...?

JTCoyoté

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever
may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the
dictates of our passions, they cannot alter
the state of facts and evidence."
~John Adams

[stymo1]

It's confirmed, Ready was there.

He's dead, along with his girlfriend, the girlfriends daughter and granddaughter, and another male about the age of the young girl, which he may have been her boyfriend and father of the little girl. Not sure yet.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/02/arizona-police-respond-to-shooting-with-multiple-victims/?intcmp=obnetwork

Doesn't much sound like a racist to me.... his girlfriend was Mexican (Mederos)?

[Kilika]

I actually live right next door to Gilbert, and drive through that area, and in fact have friends in that general neighborhood. Amber, the 22 year old my wife knew from work, as they worked in the same building in Chandler before the girl left on maternity leave to have the little girl that was also killed. So, I'm just sayin'.

You can't fully understand the situation we have here with the latino community and illegals if you don't live here as I do. Of course you don't understand how he could be dating a hispanic. No I wasn't there, of course. But the 19 year old daughter was and survived, so we shall see. JT Ready has made it very clear what type person he was. See the videos.

Did he do it? Some Mexican cartel tired of his bs? Who knows at this point, but the daughter knows apparently from what she is quoted so far.

And yes, Ready being the type guy he was (there are plenty of videos of this guy online), I consider him an enemy. He surely didn't represent the attitude I would prefer in this country.

[a ReVoLuTIONarY ideA]

And yes, Ready being the type guy he was (there are plenty of videos of this guy online), I consider him an enemy. He surely didn't represent the attitude I would prefer in this country.

No matter their creed or color, all people should recieve a full, impartial investigation on their behalf, and they should be given the benefit of the doubt.  Sadly, in this country the rule of law and reason seldom win the day.  The MSM hopping on the racist, baby-killer bandwagon once again proves how pathetic and servile the accepted mainstream opinion has become.

Time will tell, but I believe that there is much more to this story than the MSM is reporting on, however, I believe this may be the last we hear of this event in the MSM.  Just like the failed attempts by the FBI to frame young Muslims as terrorists, this story will fade away into obscurity and the outcome of the investigation will not get a follow up.  Instead the MSM will work up hysteria over the next tragedy in order to reel in more terrified sheeple in an attempt to prostitute themselves more effectively to their sponsors.

[Kilika]

Well, on the national level, I have little doubt this story will fade away in a few weeks. But the media is opportunists so they run with sensational hedlines and focus on the negative as usual, and do tend to add their bias.

Of course people are entitled to a fair investigation. I'm not even speaking on whether he did this or not, as I said, I don't know. I just commented on the type person the guy obviously was. His own words on video prove it.

I'm just baffled at the support this guy is getting here. Somebody needs to explain that to me. He wasn't at all what some people think he was.

[JT Coyoté]

Well, on the national level, I have little doubt this story will fade away in a few weeks. But the media is opportunists so they run with sensational hedlines and focus on the negative as usual, and do tend to add their bias.

Of course people are entitled to a fair investigation. I'm not even speaking on whether he did this or not, as I said, I don't know. I just commented on the type person the guy obviously was. His own words on video prove it.

I'm just baffled at the support this guy is getting here. Somebody needs to explain that to me. He wasn't at all what some people think he was.

The support here is not so much for him, as it is for the furthering of the process that will lead to the truth...

Side tracking the search for clues as to the actual events, hyping what makes up the background known about him, rather that a open investigation, seems counter productive.

Demonizing as a method to cloud or destroy an investigation is the oldest trick in the book... when I see it... I automatically look for the cover-up... and who would benefit from his demise and demonization and the pushing of any collateral damage that could be blamed on him...

He was an open carry advocate... some anti second amendment groups seem a logical avenue of investigation... provocateurs can be had for a song these days... fyi...

 Oldyoti

"Liberty can not be preserved
without a general knowledge
among the people." ~John Adams

[stymo1]

Kilik, theres nothing to be baffled by. There are only four of us posting in this thread and i fail to see any evidence of support for the man or any type of direct defense either. We dont know the facts, and i would say we were being non judgemental in our postings. This country has been turned into a circus, a trial by telly if you would. I recently got called up for jury duty. First time in my life. They asked us all to fill out questionaires so they could see where eavh possible juror would fit in. It was a first degree murder trial. Actually it was an accidental death due to an auto accident, but the accident took place durong a felony offense of running from the police, so by statute it was murder.

I was appalled by the answers that were given by prospective jurors while the attorneys were trying to build the jury. Most thought the man guilty just because the police said he was. Most thought it was the defendants obligation to prove his innocence. I would hope that all of us here know that is not how the sytem is supposed to work. Im not judging this either way. The media will spin it to fulfill whatever agenda they want to push, be it racism, anti gun, anti militia, anti border control… who knows? Im nuetral, looking for facts in the case and what the motives are in the surrounding circumstances.

[jerryweaver]

So what was the time frame in between discovery of the incident and the infobabes telling us what to think? That is the first clue that it was not investigated , but , instigated. Looks to me like the time frame was was an hour or less. 

[jerryweaver]

WED MAY 02, 2012 AT 06:10 PM PDT
JT Ready's Unbelievably Creepy Websites

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/02/1088357/-JT-Ready-s-Unbelievably-Creepy-Websites

"Ready's opponents were less kind. In its profile, the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups, described him as a white supremacist."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-arizona-shooting-20120503,0,6681278.story

The SPLC?

So what time did the incident occur?

[jerryweaver]

WED MAY 02, 2012 AT 06:10 PM PDT
JT Ready's Unbelievably Creepy Websites

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/02/1088357/-JT-Ready-s-Unbelievably-Creepy-Websites

"Ready's opponents were less kind. In its profile, the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups, described him as a white supremacist."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-arizona-shooting-20120503,0,6681278.story

The SPLC?

So what time did the incident occur?

It happened at 1pm .     I guess 5 hours is enough time to conduct a complete investigation and prepare a press release.  usually like in the 9/11 and Gifford / Tucson the TPTB will start telling us what to think in minute or even prior to the event.

[Kilika]

Oh come on! That guy was WELL known here. Very well known. They knew who they were dealing with as soon as they rolled up to the house because his girlfriend had 911 on the line when she got shot. The 911 operator heard the shots for crying out loud!

Look, there are many questionable shootings etc that goes on, but this one is a slam dunk. Ready murdered all those people and shot himself. The surviving daughter is a witness and so is the 911 operator.

I initially hesitated when they hadn't reported yet that it was him there, but it was rather obvious what happened and is now confirmed. JT Ready shot and killed 4 people, including a 15 month old baby!

Some people need to get their head out of the conspiracy sand! Not everything that happens is some rouge government pysop.

And as expected, the SPLC and the ADL are the go-to "experts" on hate. Par for the course. So what. Ready has been on their radar for years as a hater.

TPTB can talk all they want, but a person doesn't have to listen you know, so really, what they say is just words in one ear and out the other.

[stymo1]

The Post Mortem Demonization of Border Guard J. T. Ready

http://www.infowars.com/the-post-mortem-demonization-of-j-t-ready/

Patrick Henningsen and Shawn Helton
Infowars.com
May 7, 2012

As expected, there has been a dust storm of disinformation surrounding J. T. Ready and the recently reported mass murder/suicide event on May 2, 2012 in Gilbert, Arizona.

The mainstream media seems to be following its familiar pattern of quickly drawing a line under the narrative, and then demonizing the deceased subject – this time for his very public 2nd Amendment and constitutional beliefs.

Within hours of his death, Ready’s U.S. Border Guards website was strangely taken down off the web.

According to Veterans Today, Ready had feared for his life for the role he played in protecting our open borders and in a recent email he stated just that.

Ready’s Linkedin profile is still up online. Among the media anomalies surrounding his bio, his profile shows he was in the U.S. Marine Corps from ’93 to ’98, while the media reports he was discharged in 1996.

Interestingly, Ready’s resume states that he still retained a Department of Defense ‘Secret Clearance.’

Through the framing of Ready’s public persona with his alleged association with one of the SPLC’s pet ‘white supremist’ outfits, the National Socialist Movement, and the continued demonization of his volunteer border patrol unit the U.S.B.G., it seems the details of the crime itself are being totally overlooked.

Within hours of the event, the crime scene was descended upon by military trucks, and Federal agencies including the FBI, ICE, and DHS, alongside state and local police forces – all there for a reported ‘murder suicide’ involving what the media had predetermined as the ‘brutal act of a militant extremist.’

For such a high profile incident, one which dominated the headlines across all local and some national media channels last week, police and authorities have been peculiarly quiet about this case. There has been no established motive released, no release of ballistics results, nor results of the autopsies for the victims in what was reported as a five victim shooting.

There is also the problem of early reports immediately after the shooting from the Arizona Republic, reporting an unknown gunman at the scene wearing ‘body armor,’ opening fire in the area – a report which died quickly as soon as police secured the crime scene and began giving statements to the local media.

The prevailing themes surrounding this case could not be more timely – Arizona’s undefended border, Operation Fast and Furious, and state gun laws. Amazingly, all of these were areas which Ready was active and intimately involved with.

Despite the media’s full-spectrum character assassination of Ready, all evidence from his speeches and interviews point to a modus operandi that was not divisive, racist, or overly militant. On the contrary, this was an incredibly articulate, level-headed, and thoughtful political upstart – certainly an individual whose aspirations of gaining elected office in Arizona’s Pinal County were not at all unattainable.

Ready’s team of Border Guards had routinely apprehended not only drugs drops, but also criminal individuals associated with the Mexican drug cartels. This would have made him a target of the cartels, but it should also be pointed out here that gang members are also used in wet-work, or ‘murder for hire’ – and assassins sometimes include individuals who are also ‘federal informants,’ thus illustrating the grey area and overlap that exists in the dark world of narcotics enforcement operations.

Regarding relations with Mexico, Ready was recently interviewed discussing his thoughts on the border issue and stated, “We really should be working with our neighbors, not against them.”

Ready was also committed to border safety and control, and had been aware of large amounts of drugs, as well as the thousands of guns coming through the border, and had been very public about the lack of government intervention as to the serious threat this was posing to American safety and sovereignty.

Could it be that there are other media forces at work to “selectively” convince and condition the public as to who is dangerous in our society?

The public was steered to believe that J. T. Ready was a minority hating neo-nazi killer, much in the same way George Zimmerman has been painted as a vigilante racist murderer.

Was the murder/suicide the result of an estranged lover? Possibly. What really happened last week at this Arizona crime scene will certainly be the subject of some speculation in the future.

[MonkeyPuppet]

Great article with good questions and information, stymo.  Thanks for sharing.

I do have to point out, though, that the remark "his alleged association with... the National Socialist Movement" is somewhat disingenuous.  I understand the character damage control thing, but there is no "alleged" association here... he was a prominent member prior to his decision to focus on border security and politics.

Does that mean anything in the context of this incident?  Probably not, but then both sides (the MSM and this article) are fueling that topic by one side demonizing him for it and the other acting like it never happened.  Not mentioning it would be equally odd considering, so perhaps some intense digging into it and presenting the facts of it that shows it was/is irrelevant would be more useful?  We already know the MSM will use it in lieu of any pertinent information about the incident.  I would think the alternative media would do well by J.T. to deflate it so the MSM has to instead pony up the pertinent info.

[Kilika]

I wouldn't call it great. Disingenuous is a good word for it. Good catch Monkey.

It's really disturbing to see where his defenders are coming from. He had no character to defend. Online videos of the guy is proof enough what type person he was. End of story.

[a ReVoLuTIONarY ideA]

It's really disturbing to see where his defenders are coming from. He had no character to defend. Online videos of the guy is proof enough what type person he was. End of story.

So, Kilika, because someone has a history with a group that holds beliefs contrary to yours it is OK to dehumanize him and not afford him the benefit of the doubt?  Lee Harvey Oswald was a communist.  Does that automatically mean he killed JFK?

We are defending his innocence until more evidence to the contrary arises.  The media has defamed JT Ready.  The assumption that JT Ready is a killer is just that, an assumption.  His prior history with the NSM does not make JT Ready a mentally unstable murderer.

[Valerius]

I'm not up on this issue and this guy  may not have been someone I'd want to associate with if MSM is to be belived.  But you guys may want to check out this local coverage. http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=231843.msg1356053;topicseen#msg1356053

People's opinions of him personally, of course, should be independent of any investigation one way or another.

[Kilika]

His prior history with the NSM does not make JT Ready a mentally unstable murderer.

Agreed.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/arizona-neo-nazi-sheriff-candidate-killed-family/story?id=16269803

By ALYSSA NEWCOMB (@alyssanewcomb)
May 3, 2012
Anti-immigration militia leader J.T. Ready killed his girlfriend three others during a violent domestic argument as someone in the home called 911, Arizona police said today.

Police in Gilbert, Ariz., were joined by FBI agents and members of the Joint Terrorism Task Force in sorting through the carnage of the Wednesday killings.

Military-grade weapons and ammunition along with two barrels of chemicals found in the backyard have been removed from Ready's home.

"Right now we believe it's a domestic violence related situation," Sgt. Bill Balafas of the Gilbert, Ariz. Police Department told ABCNews.com.

An argument ensued inside the home J.T. Ready shared with his girlfriend Wednesday afternoon, police said.

"There was a 911 call regarding that argument. In the midst of that call, a shooting occurred. Mr. Ready shot and killed all four victims and then killed himself," Balafas said, adding that this will have to be confirmed through the medical examiner's report and forensics tests. No motive was given.

Three generations were among the dead. Ready's live-in girlfriend of two years, Lisa Mederos, 47, was killed, along with her daughter Amber Mederos, 23, and granddaughter Lilly, 1.

(cont.)