Junior Seau was was booked on trip to Hawaii w/ best friend [Suicide my ass!]

[Sasha]

Former NFL star Junior Seau found dead in home
By GILLIAN FLACCUS Associated Press Published: May 2, 2012 at 1:01 PM MDT Last Updated: May 2, 2012 at 2:03 PM MDT

OCEANSIDE, Calif. (AP) - Former NFL star Junior Seau was found shot to death at his home Wednesday morning in what police said appeared to be a suicide. He was 43.

Police Chief Frank McCoy said Seau's girlfriend reported finding him unconscious with a gunshot wound to the chest and lifesaving efforts were unsuccessful. A gun was found near him, McCoy said.

Seau's mother appeared before reporters, weeping uncontrollably.

"I don't understand ... I'm shocked," Luisa Seau cried out.

Her son gave no indication of a problem when she spoke to him by phone earlier this week, she said.

"He's joking to me, he called me a `homegirl,"' she said.

Seau was a standout linebacker with the University of Southern California before going to the San Diego Chargers, whom he led to the Super Bowl following the 1994 season.

"Everyone at the Chargers is in complete shock and disbelief right now. We ask everyone to stop what they're doing and send their prayers to Junior and his family," the team said in a statement.

Seau's death follows the suicide last year of former Chicago Bears player Dave Duerson, who also shot himself in the chest.

Seau remained with the Chargers until 2003 and went on to play with the Miami Dolphins and New England Patriots before retiring after the 2009 season.

In October 2010, Seau survived a 100-foot plunge down a seaside cliff in his SUV, hours after he was arrested for investigation of domestic violence at the Oceanside home he shared with his girlfriend. The woman had told authorities that Seau assaulted her during an argument.

There was no evidence of drugs or alcohol involved in the crash and Seau told authorities he fell asleep while driving. He sustained minor injuries.

Seau spent parts of 20 seasons in the NFL, including his 1990-2002 stint with his hometown Chargers. He helped them to their only Super Bowl appearance, was voted to a team-record 12 straight Pro Bowls and was an All-Pro six times.

He amassed 545 tackles, 56½ sacks and 18 interceptions in his career.

"Twenty years, to be part of this kind of fraternity, to be able to go out and play the game that you love, and all the lessons and the friends and acquaintances which you meet along the way, you can't be in a better arena," Seau said last August after the Chargers announced he would be inducted into the team's Hall of Fame.

Seau was the fifth pick overall in the 1990 draft out of Southern California, and stayed with the Charges until being traded to the Dolphins. He came out of retirement a few times to play with the Patriots in search of a Super Bowl ring and was with the team when they lost to the New York Giants in the Super Bowl following the 2007 season, which ended New England's quest for a perfect season.

[Sasha]

In the interest of a well rounded story, the other major possibility is that Seau, like Duerson shot himself in the chest and donated his brain to tramatic neurological research, however no indication for Seau's motivations have been asserted beyond the depiction of him as being psychologically unstable.  No note has been described.

All of that said, key parts of the Seau story are showing conflicting info.  For example, the police sources initially reporting to TMZ conflict with the police updated version several hours later.  The initial report indicated that his house keeper had discovered his body then later the story was altered to describe his girl friend having made the grisly discovery.

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http://laist.com/2012/05/02/former_nfl_star_junior_seau_reportedly_died_in_shooting.php

Junior Seau/TMZ

Police in San Diego County's Oceanside are investigating the death of former NFL star Junior Seau.

Seau's housekeeper discovered his body Wednesday morning at his Oceanside home, and a law enforcement source told TMZ police believe Seau shot himself.

The 43-year-old NFL legend is survived by three children and an ex-wife. Seau played college football at the University of Southern California (USC) and later played professionally for the San Diego Chargers, Miami Dolphins and New England Patriots.

Seau is not the first NFL player to commit suicide. Former NFL Dave Duerson shot himself in the chest in 2011; his suicide note requested his brain be donated to a research center due to the blows to the head suffered during his football career.

UPDATE 11:52AM Seau reportedly died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the chest. He texted his ex-wife and three children Tuesday, "Love you." Sources close to Seau said he showed no recent signs of depression.

UPDATE 12:45PM An Oceanside PD rep recently announced outside the residence that Seau's body was initially discovered in a bedroom by his girlfriend. Paramedics attempted to revive Seau; he was pronounced dead at the scene. A handgun has been recovered from the scene, and the death will be investigated as a suicide.

[Sasha]

His mother, earlier today, in an emotionally intense camera appearance said that he never said anything was wrong and infact said, "I don't know who do this to my son!"

He had previously said that he would never kill himself after driving off a cliff after falling asleep. (source - Fox News Shep's Fox Report)

[Dig]

Who the F shoots themself in the chest?

Whenever they say:

"a gun was found near him"

instead of:

"Ballistics and trajectory tests indicate a possibility of a self inflicted would, however hundreds of other foresics test will be carried out so that a consensus finding by the experts can be published. This will be done in the public interest given the thousands of clandestine murders which have been committed against the individual and then covered up to look like a suicide. As a matter of fact, our enire staff has memorized the CIA's handbook on assassinations published decades ago so that we can be aware of the tricks that enemies of the United States use in order to deprive the public of truth, justice, closure, and a healthy society."

then they are messing with us.

[Sasha]

Who the F shoots themself in the chest?

Whenever they say:

"a gun was found near him"

instead of:

"Ballistics and trajectory tests indicate a possibility of a self inflicted would, however hundreds of other foresics test will be carried out so that a consensus finding by the experts can be published. This will be done in the public interest given the thousands of clandestine murders which have been committed against the individual and then covered up to look like a suicide. As a matter of fact, our enire staff has memorized the CIA's handbook on assassinations published decades ago so that we can be aware of the tricks that enemies of the United States use in order to deprive the public of truth, justice, closure, and a healthy society."

then they are messing with us.

Exactly.  Plus the move to investigate this as a suicide rather than doing anything more than a visual investigation initially (as time permitted) can not be standard procedure in an emperical investigation.

[America2]

Human sacrifice? Maybe?

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--junior-seau-s-death-further-saddens-his-1995-chargers-teammates.html

Once again the phones started to ring, former San Diego Chargers from the franchise's lone Super Bowl team calling each other and digesting the news that another one of them was gone. With word that Junior Seau died Wednesday, the number of Chargers who played in the Super Bowl on Jan. 29, 1995, and are now dead, is eight.
 
Eight in 18 years; too many in too little time.

The subject is one I discussed, somewhat uncomfortably, with several of the former Chargers in 2008. This wasn't long after Chris Mims, their gregarious defensive end, was found dead in his Los Angeles apartment. Five had died back then. And that seemed like a lot.

I called a professor of actuarial science at the University of Wisconsin to see if she could put number on five men from a 53-man roster – all in their 20s and 30s – dying in so short a time. She said the odds were less than 1 percent.

In the resulting story that ran in The Washington Post, many former players and coaches talked about emotions that ranged from sadness for former players who were no longer there to a looming sense of unease about the uncontrollable.

"Is this a curse or something?" center Courtney Hall said then. "I just hope I'm not next."

On Wednesday, Hall sounded drained. Hours of phone calls with teammates had tired him. And there lingered that sense of confusion over how so many men who would be in their 40s, who seemed so vibrant, are no longer alive.

"I'm still kind of processing everything right now," Hall said. "I had more to say back [in 2008] than I do now. I really am at a loss for words."

The unsettling thing about the Chargers' deaths is their randomness. Five months after the Super Bowl, running back David Griggs died in a car accident on an off-ramp of the Florida Turnpike that was no more than 10 minutes from where the game had been played at Joe Robbie Stadium. The next year, running back Rodney Culver and his wife died on a ValuJet crash in the Florida Everglades, also not far from Miami. In 1998 linebacker Doug Miller was struck twice by lightning while camping in Colorado. Backup center Curtis Whitley died of a drug overdose in 2008 only months before Mims died from an enlarged heart and heart disease. Linebacker Lew Bush and defensive tackle Shawn Lee had fatal heart attacks last year.

And now Seau. The irony is that as a player he might have been the liveliest of them all – the first one to laugh, the one with the biggest smile, the biggest star – and to hear reports he had killed himself? It didn't make sense.

"The thing I related to everybody is that we are a brotherhood of those of us who played football," Hall said Wednesday. "We developed bonds and dealt with the same issues and the same ups and downs. For me, I've gotten to the point where I wish we as a group of elite athletes are able to reach out to each other more and are able to talk about what's going on in our lives."

Back in 2008, Hall talked about looking for some of his Chargers teammates. He found tight end Deems May on LinkedIn and asked the team for the phone numbers of other former players. Some of those may have been the same men he spoke with Wednesday.

Perhaps there's nothing anyone can do about a plane crash or someone getting hit by lightning twice, but so many of the other deaths seemed preventable. Tackle Stan Brock wondered in 2008 how Whitley could die alone in a trailer. "Where were his friends?" he asked. Mims suffered from weight problems and became depressed before his death. Lee was reported to have had weight and other health issues when he died.

Could phone calls have helped? Should they have been calling Seau and checking on him? Hall wonders. He said several of his teammates did too.

"In general we talked about getting together and reaching out to one another," he said. "I woke up this morning in pain [from old football injuries]. Everyone deals with everything differently."

He seemed to hope this latest bad news would bring them closer together.

Whenever players from the Super Bowl team talk about that season they always marvel at the magic they felt. They describe the locker-room camaraderie as the best they were ever around. Players stayed late at the practice facility. They ordered food. They arrived at the stadium early on home game days, throwing on their uniform pants and pads, then sitting in a room just off the stadium locker room playing Mortal Kombat and Madden NFL until they had to go onto the field for warmups.

It was a happy time. It was a wonderful time. It was the best time many of them ever had.

Then Wednesday they mourned another of them, the biggest name of them all.

And like with the others, it's too soon.

[Valerius]

'95 was a weird year.

[Monkeypox]

Who the F shoots themself in the chest?

Exactly.

[Kilika]

Not uncommon among women, but men? Nah. I think nearly half of all are to the head. It's almost like somebody walked right up to him and stuck a gun in his chest and pulled the trigger.

[America2]

Sounds like another round of human sacrifice from the NWO minions - NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and his wife have ties to the Illuminati families...the league has really been in chaos since he stepped in.

Overall, as much as I like professional sports, at the same time, everything just seems SO SECRETIVE about it. Some of the athletes in it like Lebron James and Tony Romo come off as MK Ultra mind control puppets.

[Ryujin]

Who the F shoots themself in the chest?

Whenever they say:

"a gun was found near him"

Of course... since finding a gun near a gunshot wound victim is 100% proof the wound is indeed self inflicted... seems legit 

[Constitutionary]

Probably just another media side-distraction until they can think of something better.

None of the old psy-op techniques are working and they are getting totally flustered.

[Dig]

'95 was a weird year.

The NFL report that covered up 90 years of evidence which directly resulted in the $billions in loss of quality of life for all NFL players came out in 1994.

[Dig]

Please read this entire thread:

The NFL has become a Pentagon Operation: Players and Audience are rats in a lab
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=188962.0


The Tillman Story shows that assassination/cover ups of NFL players has precedent.

[Dig]

last year:


NFL Officially BROKE

Maybe this WAS MEANT to happen, b/c TPTB knows the fan will hit the ceiling soon, so what's the point with any more Bread and Circus?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AmQXoitaTavTO0InLrLzLZAZc9AF?slug=ap-nfllabor

Players’ union decertifies as talks break down

WASHINGTON (AP)—The NFL players’ union has decertified, making the league’s first work stoppage since 1987 a near-certainty.

After 16 days of mediated talks with the NFL, the sides could not reach agreement on a new deal. The current one expires at the end of Friday, and the league could lock out its players.

By decertifying, the union has cleared the way for individual players to file antitrust lawsuits against the NFL, which opted out of the CBA in 2008. It has renounced its right to represent the players in contract bargaining.

The CBA was due to expire a week ago and was extended twice.

The union’s latest move sets the stage for a lengthy court fight that could potentially threaten the 2011 season.

[Dig]

Military to Adopt NFL's Instant Replay Technology
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=173347.0

[Dig]

Alex Jones Calls for NFL Boycott After Intrusive Pat-down Searches Announced

http://www.infowars.com/alex-jones-calls-for-nfl-boycott-after-intrusive-pat-down-searches-announced/

[Dig]

NFL Hall Of Famer Tony Dorsett & 300 Former Players Suing The NFL For Long-Term Injuries (Video)
http://www.jayforce.com/news/nfl-hall-of-famer-tony-dorsett-300-former-players-suing-the-nfl-for-long-term-injuries-video/

Former Dallas Cowboys Runnning Back & Hall of Famer Tony Dorsett speaking out on suing the NFL for the long-term injuries he & over 300 other former players have suffered over the years. Tony Dorsett says the league pressured injured players to “get back out” on the field, causing long-term damage.

[pac522]

Who the F shoots themself in the chest?

Whenever they say:

"a gun was found near him"

He shot himself in the chest so his brain could be donated for the study of head trauma that's going on in the NFL right now. Junior Seau was a straight up soldier. His father was some head warrior in his tribe, so that's his lineage.

When Seau played for 20 seasons teammates said that he would never say he was hurt nor would ever be checked by team doctors. He always went home and called his own doctor to come check him out and and care for him. They never knew if he had a concussion, and in the end he was suffering with some brain ailments from the head trauma.

In light of watching Steve Gleason, who played for the Saints deteriorate with Lou Gerigs disease for the past 18 months I think Seau didn't want to suffer and wanted to help fellow NFL players with injuries.

The problem is that the NFL has a workman's comp type of disability insurance it's supposed to pay out to injured players, yet it takes an act of Congress and the player to be on his death bed for them to pay out. The Saints recently became the scapegoat for these head injuries because of a bounty program yet that practice had been going on for years. The NFL just doesn't want to pay out benefits and these players with legit brain injuries are suffering.

No conspiracy here, Seau went out like a soldier and the NFL is like any other big corporation, cheap and they will circle the wagons and burn thier own to save a buck.

Former NFL Player Commits Suicide, Donates Brain to Science


http://www.wired.com/playbook/2011/02/duerson-suicide-brain-study/

[Dig]

He shot himself in the chest so his brain could be donated for the study of head trauma that's going on in the NFL right now. Junior Seau was a straight up soldier. His father was some head warrior in his tribe, so that's his lineage.

When Seau played for 20 seasons teammates said that he would never say he was hurt nor would ever be checked by team doctors. He always went home and called his own doctor to come check him out and and care for him. They never knew if he had a concussion, and in the end he was suffering with some brain ailments from the head trauma.

In light of watching Steve Gleason, who played for the Saints deteriorate with Lou Gerigs disease for the past 18 months I think Seau didn't want to suffer and wanted to help fellow NFL players with injuries.

The problem is that the NFL has a workman's comp type of disability insurance it's supposed to pay out to injured players, yet it takes an act of Congress and the player to be on his death bed for them to pay out. The Saints recently became the scapegoat for these head injuries because of a bounty program yet that practice had been going on for years. The NFL just doesn't want to pay out benefits and these players with legit brain injuries are suffering.

No conspiracy here, Seau went out like a soldier and the NFL is like any other big corporation, cheap and they will circle the wagons and burn thier own to save a buck.

Former NFL Player Commits Suicide, Donates Brain to Science


http://www.wired.com/playbook/2011/02/duerson-suicide-brain-study/

Your batshit crazy theory that he magically had this elaborate plan that no one but you and him knew about, and that it was because he might get Lou Gerigs disease even though the chances of that happening are one in 500 billion trillion trumps anything even found in the Weekly World News. And I have no clue what kind of 'soldier' you think he was but the bottom line is he was a momma's boy and loved his mother more than anything on the planet. THERE IS NO F-ING WAY HE COMMITTED SUICIDE LIKE THAT KNOWING THAT IT WOULD PSYCHOLOGICALLY SCAR HIS MOTHER FOREVER.

NO F-ING WAY, NOT IN A MILLION YEARS!

I got a question for anyone that says there is no conspiracy...

Why have 30 years worth of history of Junior Seau and his history with his loving family been erased from the Internet?

Why are there only over 100,000 articles which say the same exact thing about the same exact incident as if that one moment in time sums up Junior's entire life?

WHO IS MAKING THE FINAL CUT OF THE NARRATIVE OF JUNIOR'S LIFE AND WHY HAVE 7 BILLION PEOPLE BEEN CENSORED TO FIND OUT ANYTHING ABOUT HIM OTHER THAN THIS 100 WORD ESSAY WRITTEN BY A PUBLIC MYTH CREATOR AND APPROVED BY A SMALL GROUP OF ELITE INCESTUOUS PSYCHOS.

I DARE ANYONE TO FIND OUT ANYTHING ABOUT JUNIOR OTHER THAN THESE SAME 100 WORDS AND SAME 5 MINUTES OF SOUND BYTES!

The purpose: show the video of him mom freaking out to all the players suing the NFL...the message has been delivered to the people it needed to be delivered to and not one person is able to investigate the crime scene because the story has already been written for the public. And we are talking about California Crime Scene Investigation...

Robert F. Kennedy

Andrew Breitbart

Yup, there is more of a chance of discovering free energy than the the true cause of death in a high profile assassination in the state of California.

[pac522]

No way? Dig the brain injuries cause depression and for people not not act rationally or clearly. Couple that with steroids and you have a lethal cocktail. He was arrested last year for domestic abuse and then after leaving his Exs house drove his car off a cliff, no alcohol or drugs were found and Junior said he wasn't trying to kill himself and that he fell asleep at the wheel. I find that hard to believe he wasn't trying to kill himself.

And I never said Junior was going to get Gerhigs disease, I said that all NFL players had watched a high profile case deteriorate with it and that Seau didn't want to suffer with his brain injuries. The story I posted at the end of my comment is to show precident on why he shot himself in the chest. So regardless of what narrative the NFL and it's subsidiaries are putting out I doubt anyone killed him to scare other NFL players from dropping the lawsuit. I'm only saying this because I admin on an fan owned NFL website and have been following the players and NFL on brain injury story.

[Dig]

No way? Dig the brain injuries cause depression and for people not not act rationally or clearly.

When did you have time to read his full medical history which I assume you have done to so easily remark that Junior suffered exactly the injuries you are describing even though his immediate family refutes this seemingly expert analysis.

Couple that with steroids and you have a lethal cocktail.

And were you the one who was delivering Junior these steroids to know that he was currently taking them and was dosing in levels that would cause this behavior that only you seem to be aware of.   Not for nothing, but you do realize that you have profiled Junior in a way that the ADL and Cass Sunstein profiles conspiracy theorists. I mean WTF, unless you have lived with the guy how do you know this shit? Is every ex-NFL player  cocktail of rage waiting to explode in staged events that leave a crime scene identical to how a scene is supposed to be left according to the CIA manual on assassinations to look like suicides?

He was arrested last year for domestic abuse and then after leaving his Exs house drove his car off a cliff, no alcohol or drugs were found and Junior said he wasn't trying to kill himself and that he fell asleep at the wheel. I find that hard to believe he wasn't trying to kill himself.

He was falsely arrested on trumped up charges which were all dropped and never pursued. He was likely at a very high state of tension and then when released from jail after all that excitement his body becomes sleepy. The vehicle never even rolled over. It was not even so much a cliff, but rather a steep turn off. As far as trumped up domestic disturbance changes, cars driving off cliffs, and tales of suicide which family members refute continually...anyone else noticing an illuminating pattern?

And I never said Junior was going to get Gerhigs disease, I said that all NFL players had watched a high profile case deteriorate with it and that Seau didn't want to suffer with his brain injuries.

Number 1] You are assuming he had brain injuries to a level that would cause him to contemplate ending his life.

Number 2] You are assuming that he assumed that the high profile case would mimic his personal suffering.

Number 3] You assuming that he did not value life and his family enough to deal with this pain that only you seem to be aware of (his entire family refutes your 'expert' analysis).

Number 4] And I find this the most amazing...you are saying that his suicide is the sign of what he thought was being a good soldier even though you are saying that his rational was to escape a struggle and to give up on a courageous life leaving his family to bear the burden of shock, awe, loneliness, guilt, and so many unanswered questions.

The story I posted at the end of my comment is to show precident on why he shot himself in the chest. So regardless of what narrative the NFL and it's subsidiaries are putting out I doubt anyone killed him to scare other NFL players from dropping the lawsuit. I'm only saying this because I admin on an fan owned NFL website and have been following the players and NFL on brain injury story.

But the precedent is irrelevant because Junior did not suffer the same way, was not bankrupt like your 'precedent' victim was, and did not text family/friends, nor leave any note. In fact the only thing that you may say is similar is that another NFL player was shot in the chest and the media is reporting it as a suicide. All of the motivation that you are propagating as being similar is not and all of the evidence other than a blasted out chest is not either.

Now the area where it is impossible to refute is that Junior's case was ruled a suicide before the body was even moved from the home. His mother was immediately subjected to a public display of horror, shock, and fear almost like some sadist wanted to deliver a visual message to someone. I mean wtf insanity is this when a Bilderberg organization (TMZ) can shock and awe family members and then broadcast their suffering to the world like some kind of a phychotic freak? Doesn't the family deserve a little respect? This was a shock and awe operation (at least as far as the investigation. There was none, just thousands of immediate stories about how it was a suicide just like on 9/11 on how it was 19 guys in a cave. Same with Joseph Stack, same with Wheeler, Breitbart, DC Madam, Anthrax suspect, etc. On and on and on it goes, nothing is investigated anymore, all that is done is the manufacturing and refining of public narratives. This cannot be denied. So without any investigation one must assume that the death was intentional otherwise there would be no fear in a simple and mandatory investigation.

All of your statements have zero basis in reality as far as Junior. All you have done is said if one NFL player shoots himself in the chest (I am assuming there was no funny business with that case for the sake of this discussion) than any chest injury of an NFL player must be caused by a self inflicting operation. Are you denying that people have died from other people shooting them in the chest? Is it more likely or less likely that if you see someone shot in the chest that it was done by another party? How much less likely if that is what you are saying? 90% more likely? So if there is a 10% chance that it was another person, shouldn't 10% of the investigation focus on this? The fact that less than .0000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the investigation ids focused on this shows that there is a likely motivation to avoid this normal investigative process.

When you see every media outlet pushing the same narrative down your throat, ya gotta wonder why.

[Dig]

Police: Junior Seau Did Not Leave a Suicide Note
http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/05/02/police-junior-seau-did-not-leave-a-suicide-note/
Jason McIntyre
May 2nd. 2012, 6:40pm

Police today patched together some of the details surrounded Junior Seau’s [DEATH]. Among them:

* Junior Seau was in his house this morning with his girlfriend. She went to the gym. When she returned, she found the former linebacker dead.

* Police did not find a suicide note at the scene. Police say it is possible he could have left an electronic note.


Police are now just making shit up, they are interjecting and leading an investigation down a path of 'THIS IS SUICIDE, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO THINK ANYTHING ELSE. IF THE EVIDENCE DOES NOT SHOW SUICIDE THEN JUST ASSUME OTHER EVIDENCE EXISTS WHICH WILL COMPENSATE FOR THESE MISSING PIECES IN THE NARRATIVE"

W T F ?

[Dig]

BOMBSHELL: Seau was excited about trip to Hawaii with his best friend booked for next week!!!!!!!!!!!
Best Friend: Junior Seau and I we're booked to go to Hawaii next week, he was 'not the type who would do this'[/b]
By Jhttp://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2012/05/junior-seau-suicide-donald-takayama/1
im Corbett, USA TODAY

Junior Seau's close friend, six-time U.S. surfing champion and legendary surf board designer Donald Takayama, last spoke a week ago with the 12-time Pro Bowl linebacker about a surfing trip the two planned next week for Hawaii.

There was no hint of trouble or depression in his voice, he said, only eager anticipation for that Hawaii surfing trip. And then came the calls from friends Wednesday when Takayama was shocked to learn that the 43-year-old he encouraged to take up surfing during his temporary 2005 retirement from football is gone.

[pac522]

So my logical assumptions are trumped by your logical assumptions? Is it not set in reality that both of are coming to logical conclusions based on previous facts in other cases that led to certain outcomes? I understand your reasoning but I have yet to draw to an end as to why would the NFL go through so much trouble to send a such a message. The NFL has the full weight of not only this lawsuit but the entire NFLPA, both past and present players. I value your opinions, there is no reason to break everything you say I just happen to disagree with you on this. Time will tell.

[Dig]

So my logical assumptions are trumped by your logical assumptions? Is it not set in reality that both of are coming to logical conclusions based on previous facts in other cases that led to certain outcomes? I understand your reasoning but I have yet to draw to an end as to why would the NFL go through so much trouble to send a such a message. The NFL has the full weight of not only this lawsuit but the entire NFLPA, both past and present players. I value your opinions, there is no reason to break everything you say I just happen to disagree with you on this. Time will tell.

your logical assumption is repeated by project mockingbird on over 100,000 meme outlets. Mine is independent, at least come up with an independent analysis, we are all losing this right to public inquiry. At least investigate for yourself and use god's gifts to man of creative thought,  independent analysis, and thought provoking inquiry.

[decemberfellow]

from Dig:  

The NFL report that covered up 90 years of evidence which directly resulted in the $billions in loss of quality of life for all NFL players came out in 1994.

Just throwing this in the mix Junior was the 8th player of the 94 charger team to die before 45 years of age. don't know if it means much just  that the above quote from Dig seemed interesting year.

Junior Seau's death is the eighth among the 1994 San Diego Chargers, who won the AFC title and lost to the San Francisco 49ers in the Super Bowl. The list of players:

___

— Junior Seau, LB, 43, on Wednesday, from apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound, according to police.

— Lew Bush, LB, 42, December 2011, apparent heart attack.

— Shawn Lee, DT, 44, February 2011, heart attack.

— Chris Mims, DE, 38, October 2008, enlarged heart.

— Curtis Whitley, C, 39, May 2008, drug overdose.

— Doug Miller, LB, 28, July 1998, lightning strike.

— Rodney Culver, RB, 26, May 1996, in ValuJet crash, with his wife, Karen.

— David Griggs, LB, 28, July 1995, automobile accident.

Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/article/8-members-of-Chargers-Super-Bowl-team-have-died-3530012.php#ixzz1trfDnXEh

[pac522]

your logical assumption is repeated by project mockingbird on over 100,000 meme outlets. Mine is independent, at least come up with an independent analysis, we are all losing this right to public inquiry. At least investigate for yourself and use god's gifts to man of creative thought,  independent analysis, and thought provoking inquiry.

My logical assumption is created from my own independent thinking. I have not watched any news coverage on his death, and am only going on past news of the action's of Seau, the NFL and the lawsuit.

And we are owed an autopsy and no one should be jumping to conclusion or using this incident as a tool. Thank God this isn't the court of public opinion. Sorry if my opinion differs from yours, I have already wasted too much of my life on this thread.

[Kilika]

about a surfing trip the two planned next week for Hawaii.

Hmm, that's strange. I use to live in Hawaii, and I'm trying to think of where to go surfing there during this time of year, as it's between Waikiki and North Shore seasons. For an inexperienced surfer, Waikiki for longboarding would be the thing. I know of a couple other spots on Oahu, near Makaha where the locals do alot of surfing, but that's real local folks. It's the rough beach to surf!

I'd really like to know the details fo their trip and where they were going to surf because it doesn't fit.

[Dig]

Hmm, that's strange. I use to live in Hawaii, and I'm trying to think of where to go surfing there during this time of year, as it's between Waikiki and North Shore seasons. For an inexperienced surfer, Waikiki for longboarding would be the thing. I know of a couple other spots on Oahu, near Makaha where the locals do alot of surfing, but that's real local folks. It's the rough beach to surf!

I'd really like to know the details fo their trip and where they were going to surf because it doesn't fit.

In what world do you live in where it is normal to say that a 7 year surfer is inexperienced:

"he encouraged to take up surfing during his temporary 2005 retirement from football"

So he was surfing for at least 7 years and Junior had a minor amount of physical abilities to start with seeing as he was a 12 time pro-bowler in arguably the most physical sports on the planet.

Also, what world do you live in where a "six-time U.S. surfing champion and legendary surf board designer" named  "Donald Takayama" does not know much about the local beaches throughout Hawaii?

Doesn't fit? I feel like this is 2002 and I am arguing with the editorial staff of popular mechanics about WTC 7.

[Kilika]

In what world do you live in where it is normal to say that a 7 year surfer is inexperienced:

"he encouraged to take up surfing during his temporary 2005 retirement from football"

So he was surfing for at least 7 years and Junior had a minor amount of physical abilities to start with seeing as he was a 12 time pro-bowler in arguably the most physical sports on the planet.

Also, what world do you live in where a "six-time U.S. surfing champion and legendary surf board designer" named  "Donald Takayama" does not know much about the local beaches throughout Hawaii?

Doesn't fit? I feel like this is 2002 and I am arguing with the editorial staff of popular mechanics about WTC 7.

Who peed in your cereal, that caused you to not even read what I posted? I wasn't saying any of them were in experienced, but said from a basic standpoint of surfing Hawaii, I myself couldn't think of where to go, as I wasn't a surfer myself, nor claim to be some expert, I just lived there dude, but then you didn't bother to ask did you? The main surf seasons and where they are is just two places on Oahu, that I do know. Between, I don't know. No question he does. I can assure you that he could surf anywhere in the islands with Takayama, regardless of his ability. That I never questioned. Makaha may be the spot. And they could surf there all they want I have no doubt, but that wouldn't be the case for just any surfer there. That I know too.

[chris jones]

 2 cents. The reports are sketchy, a housekeeper finds body,or a girlfriend, or the milkman.  Whats the deal?
 Sketchy reports, you bet they are.
 Man found shot to death, OK, its evident he was shot and as dead as ceasar, but how many guys shoot themselves in the chest, 01% 0f 1 percent, ..just my opinion.
 A squad of these players have died under questionable circumstances, a coincidence or is there a tad more to this. I have to go along with dig on this, he checks out the angles and has hit on some solid ones. NFL is big money, power and influence .
 
   

[DireWolf]

Just a thought that might be way off but does anyone know that these men had any connection with Pat Tillman? What were their known political viewpoints. I know it's highly unlikely there is anything to this line of thought but truth is often stranger than fiction.