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    NWO Scum Rodriguez wrote an entire book on the sordid subject of waterboarding.  

In an interview on "60 Minutes" on Sunday night, ex-CIA chief Jose Rodriguez responded to criticism of the interrogation methods used on al Qaeda detainees after 9/11.
Rodriguez, the former head of the CIA's Clandestine Service and author of the new book, "Hard Measures: How Aggressive CIA Actions after 9/11 Saved American Lives," defended the "enhanced interrogation techniques," such as waterboarding and sleep deprivation in an interview with CBS' Lesley Stahl.
"We made some al Qaeda terrorists with American blood on their hands uncomfortable for a few days," Rodriguez said on Sunday's "60 Minutes." "I am very secure in what we did and am very confident that what we did saved American lives."

In particular, Rodriguez defended the treatment of suspected al Qaeda leader and 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who did not cooperate during initial questioning. After a combination of waterboarding, which simulates drowning, and sleep deprivation, Mohammed gave up information that helped disrupt 10 large-scale terrorist plots, Rodriguez said.
However, Rodriguez's words were not aligned with those made in a 2009 secret report from the CIA's Office of Inspector General.
"...it is difficult to determine conclusively whether interrogations have provided information critical to interdicting specific imminent attacks," the report said.

Stahl also questioned Rodriguez about reports that waterboarding and sleep deprivation forced Abu Zubaydah, another top-level terrorist, to give false information that wasted CIA resources. Rodriguez responded by saying that such reports were "Bull****." "He gave us a roadmap that allowed us to capture a bunch of al Qaeda senior leaders," Rodriguez told Stahl.
The former CIA chief then criticized the White House, which banned the use of waterboarding and released Bush-era memos on interrogation tactics in 2009, for "tying America's hands" in the war on terror.
"We don't capture anyone anymore Lesley...the default option of this administration has been to kill all prisoners. Take no prisoners," he told Stahl. "The drones. How could it be more ethical to kill people rather than capture them?"

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How many Kool-Aid drinking Obama cultists are still clinging to the fantasy that torture stopped under their lord and savior, Obama?

More than a few, perhaps?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxN5QaEk53o (Obama the War Criminal and His Torture Squad - part 1 of 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKpWQhf65NI (Obama the War Criminal and His Torture Squad - part 2 of 2)

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The Jose Rodriguez lesson
Perhaps it's a bad idea to trust the executive branch
to wield the most extreme powers in the dark, with no checks

By Glenn Greenwald
Tuesday, May 1, 2012 1:44 PM UTC

Jose Rodriguez, the high-ranking CIA official who ordered the destruction of 92 videos showing the agency’s interrogation of Terrorist suspects, was interviewed on Sunday night about his new pro-torture book by 60 Minutes (that show’s network, CBS, and the publisher of Rodriguez’s new book, Simon & Schuster, are both owned by the CBS Corp., now synergistically profiting off of torture advocacy). There is an important lesson to be learned from this interview.

As many commenters correctly noted, the torture-defending Rodriguez is clearly a crazed sociopath (of the distinctly banal type identified by Hannah Arendt). At Esquire, Charles Pierce has a perfect post about all of this, writing: “I’m pretty convinced that Rodriguez is both a sociopath and a maniac” (his first paragraph, on the Obama administration’s serial protection of these war criminals, is a must-read). The New Yorker’s Amy Davidson notes that Rodriguez did not even bother to defend torture as a necessary evil but rather “bragged about its use in proving the manhood of the torturer” (indeed, Rodriguez’ claim that authorizing torturing meant people in government were willing to “put their big boy pants on” exposed a whole new level of psychosexual creepiness). Andrew Sullivan says Rodriguez is “a war criminal” who “has no shame about any of this, and intends to make money off it.”

All of that is true, but the key point here is that Rodriguez — with all of his sociopathic, maniacal, proud war criminality — wasn’t some low-level rogue officer unrepresentative of the CIA. The opposite is true: he spent his career at that agency and advanced continuously, rising to lead what The Washington Post‘s Dana Priest this week called “the Central Intelligence Agency’s all-powerful operations directorate,” located “at the center of the universe at the agency.” He was essentially in charge of clandestine operations, including the CIA’s torture, rendition, black site and detention programs. And the criminal programs he is “sociopathically” defending were ones that were embraced by the highest levels of the U.S. Government, authorized by its Department of Justice, and protected from investigation and prosecution by the current administration. Rodriguez — sociopathy and all – isn’t some aberration in the U.S. Government’s intelligence and paramilitary world: he’s its symbol.

As so many people react with revulsion to the mindset of Jose Rodriguez, perhaps this is a good time to stop and realize why it’s so dangerous and wrong to trust the Executive Branch to exert the most extreme powers — of assassination, indefinite detention, rendition, surveillance — in the dark, with no oversight, constraints or transparency. Those of you who are content to have the Executive Branch decide — without checks or transparency — who lives and dies, who is free and imprisoned, who is entitled to due process and who isn’t, are putting your blind faith in the Jose Rodriguezes of the world.

Even people who don’t originally assume that level of unchecked power in a corrupted and sociopathic state can (and will) easily be transformed by it. That’s the inherently corrupting nature of unchecked power — of human nature — that led the American founders to insist on multiple levels of burdensome checks whenever power of this sort is exercised. Jose Rodriguez — his actions and mentality — is the inevitable fruit of placing faith and trust in the Goodness of American Executive Branch officials to exercise the world’s most awesome powers without any meaningful scrutiny and limits.

Yesterday, President Obama’s chief counter-terrorism adviser, John Brennan, gave a speech in which he purported to provide more “transparency” with regard to the Obama drone program. But he did nothing of the sort. Instead — while justifying everything the Government does with the standard mantra: “We are at war . . . Yes, war is hell.  It is awful.  It involves human beings killing other human beings, sometimes innocent civilians” – he offered a series of empty platitudes ensuring us all that “President Obama has demanded that we hold ourselves to the highest possible standards and processes” when it comes to the drone program. Whenever someone in the Executive Branch proposes a candidate for summary death, he said, officials “consider all the information available to us, carefully, responsibly”; “these efforts are overseen with extraordinary care and thoughtfulness”; and they “only authorize a strike if we have a high degree of confidence that innocent civilians will not be injured or killed, except in the rarest of circumstances.”

But these are all just vague, unverified assertions (the novelist Herman Hesse, in 1917, perfectly described the meaningless vapidity of Brennan’s assurances). The actual evidence which would reveal what the administration is actually doing, what the results of these drone attacks actually are, continue to be concealed (based on the administration’s long-standing insistence to courts that it cannot safely even confirm or deny the existence of the drone program, even though Brennan did exactly that yesterday: “the United States Government conducts targeted strikes against specific al-Qa’ida terrorists, sometimes using remotely piloted aircraft, often referred to publicly as drones”).

In lieu of evidence and oversight, we are asked, instead, to simply place our faith in John Brennan and his claims, judgment and magnanimity. Brennan himself — like Rodriguez — was a Bush-era CIA agent who expressly advocated “enhanced interrogation techniques” (short of waterboarding) and rendition. He also has a history of demonstrated lying about the civilian deaths from U.S. drones and spouting blatant, narrative-shaping falsehoods about the killing of Osama bin Laden. What possible justification exists for placing our blind faith in his unverifiable pronouncements, or more so, vesting him with the unchecked and secret power of life and death, imprisonment and freedom?

Indeed, there is no justification for placing any of those powers in the hands of any political leaders without a litany of checks, transparency and constraints. Anyone who toys with the notion that this can be safely done should spend some time watching the interview with Jose Rodriguez, who acquired power not by deviating from the Executive Branch’s mindset but rather by exemplifying it.

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As I noted last week — and as Pierce elaborated on — the real scandal from the Jose Rodriguez book tour is that the Obama DOJ has protected him and his fellow criminals from all forms of accountability. Yesterday, Democratic Sen. Diane Feinstein issued a statement about his 60 Minutes interview matter-of-factly stating that his order to destroy videotapes “illustrates a blatant disregard for the law.”

Yes, obviously it does: and that’s what makes the DOJ’s refusal to prosecute him so corrupt.
Of course, Executive Branch officials, even when it comes to most egregious crimes,
are beyond the rule of law when it comes to actions they take as part of U.S. Government policy.
And  the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, 
Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren,  ye have done it unto me.

Matthew 25:40

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Jose Rodriguez would say the exact polar opposite if he was forced to under torture.  ::)

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Hey Jose Rodriguez, you are a commie scumbag anti-american lying sack o shit for brains. move to North Korea. your books and interviews prove that you are a treasonous moron acting on behalf of enemies to the united states. you are a clear and present danger to the national security. stop aiding and abeding those who wish to destroy our constitution and our sovereignty. does your oath of office mean nothing you loony tunes nazi slave to New World Order puppetmasters?
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Prosecute Jose Rodriguez for violating the anti-torture statute (18 U.S.C. § 2340A)
He did it.  Enjoyed doing it. And would do it again

by Jesselyn RadackFollow Mon Apr 30, 2012 at 05:51 AM PDT

Rodriguez admitted on 60 Minutes that he organized, ordered, and destroyed evidence of "enhanced interrogation techniques." Yesterday's 60 Minutes featured CIA rendition-supporter/torture proponent/videotape destroyer Jose Rodriguez, giving him a platform to pimp his new book, Hard Measures: How Aggressive CIA Actions After 9/11 Saved American Lives, which discusses CIA black sites and touts torture. (It should not be lost on anyone that Simon & Schuster gave Rodriguez a book contract, 60 Minutes gave Rodriguez a main-stream-media platform, and CBS owns both Simon & Schuster and 60 Minutes.)

UPDATE: CBS also gave Rodriguez a book-pimping spot on CBS This Morning. Maybe if I had tortured John Walker Lindh instead of blowing the whistle in his case, my book would sell better.

Despite Rodriguez admitting his crimes on national television, the only person the Obama administration has criminally prosecuted in connection with the Bush-era torture program is John Kiriakou, who refused to participate in torture and blew the whistle on waterboarding.

How can we be a nation of laws when a former government official can proudly boast about his criminal behavior on national television without consequence?

Rodriguez's callous descriptions of torture do not make his behavior any less criminal:

We made some al Qaeda terrorists with American blood on their hands uncomfortable for a few days.

Rodriguez adopts the Nixonian "logic:" "if the President approves it, it's not illegal." This shouldn't save him from prosecution. "No one is above the law" - at least that is what Attorney General Holder told the Senate under oath during his confirmation hearings. Moreover, despite Rodriguez's stubborn re-naming waterboarding an "enhanced interrogation technique," there is no credible debate about whether waterboarding is torture. We can thank Attorney General Holder for that as well, as he unequivocally agreed under oath that "waterboarding is torture."

Waterboarding is torture, and torture is illegal, and it violates more than just the statute specifically prohibiting torture.

In addition to the torture statute:

* The Eighth Amendment to the Constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment.

* The War Crimes Act of 1996 (18 U.S.C. § 2441) makes it a criminal offense for U.S. military personnel and U.S. nationals to commit war crimes as specified in the 1949 Geneva Conventions. That includes Common Article 3, which prohibits "[v]iolence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment, and torture; . . . [and] outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment."

Rodriguez admitted his crimes on national television. Surely that is enough for the Justice Department to begin a prosecution, especially considering that that the Justice Department has spent millions of dollars hunting down news sources who exposed government illegalities, investigating how Guantanamo detainees found out the names of their torturers, and prosecuting whistleblowers. Contact Attorney General Holder and ask him to prosecute Rodriguez: 202-353-1555.

Then, instead of reading Rodriguez's torture-apologist swill, read Ali Soufan's The Black Banners: The Inside Story of 9/11 and the War Against al-Qaeda. Soufan recently won the Ridenhour Book Prize for The Black Banners, which offers a reasoned, first-hand experience account of interrogation and articulates beautifully the advantages of rapport-building (NON-torture) techniques in obtaining actionable intelligence from even the most hardened suspects.

Too often the Obama administration answers calls for accountability with "look forward not backward." I submit that if Rodriguez wants to "look backward" to sell books, then the Obama administration should look back to prosecute Rodriguez for his admitted crimes.
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On Bin Laden Killing, Ex-CIA Torture Chief Contradicted by…CIA

Former CIA clandestine service chief Jose Rodriguez’s torture tour was in full swing on Wednesday, with an op-ed in the Washington Post asserting that the name of the courier who unknowingly led the CIA to Osama bin Laden’s hideout was pried from the tattered mind of a black site detainee through the use of Bush-era torturous interrogation:
In 2004, an al-Qaeda terrorist was captured trying to communicate with Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of the terror organization’s operations in Iraq. That captured terrorist was taken to a secret CIA prison — or “black site” — where, initially, he was uncooperative. After being subjected to some “enhanced interrogation techniques”— techniques authorized by officials at the most senior levels of the U.S. government and that the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel confirmed were consistent with U.S. law — the detainee became compliant. He was not one of the three al-Qaeda operatives who underwent waterboarding, the harshest of the hard measures. Once this terrorist decided that non-cooperation was a non-starter, he told us many things — including that bin Laden had given up communicating via telephone, radio or Internet, and depended solely on a single courier who went by “Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti.”
Case closed, right? According to Rodriguez, torture—which he apparently considers a manly pursuit—works. There’s only one problem here: Rodriguez’ story directly contradicts what the former head of the CIA, Leon Panetta, has said about how the bin Laden courier’s name was discovered.

In May of last year, just after bin Laden was killed, the Washington Post‘s Greg Sargent obtained a letter sent to Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) from then-CIA Director Leon Panetta. The letter clearly states that “we first learned about the facilitator/courier’s nom de guerre from a detainee not in CIA custody in 2002,” and that “no detainee in CIA custody revealed the facilitator/courier’s full true name or specific whereabouts.” Panetta’s version of events is bolstered by a letter released by Senators Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Carl Levin (D-Mich.) earlier this week, which stated, “The original lead information had no connection to CIA detainees.” Feinstein and Levin noted a third detainee in CIA custody did provide information on the courier, but “he did so the day before he was interrogated by the CIA using their coercive interrogation techniques.”

This directly contradicts Rodriguez’s account, which is that the CIA learned of the courier’s identity from a detainee in CIA custody via torture.
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Re: Ex-CIA chief Jose Rodriguez defends waterboarding of suspected terrorists
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2012, 04:27:26 AM »
Jose Rodriguez would say the exact polar opposite if he was forced to under torture.  ::)

More than half our govt should be on trial