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« on: April 13, 2012, 05:09:21 PM »

NO AMERICANS SHOULD KNOW THIS JUST HAPPENED & EXISTS!
Iceland forgives mortgage debt of its population
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyxzg58JkYI

The people in Iceland rose up and kicked out the OLD politicians and now have put them AND their banker buddies on the bench of the 'ACCUSED'.

So, America?  Nothing can be done in your neck of the woods?
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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2012, 08:16:16 AM »

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That is why the New World Order is shitting bricks, paranoid as hell, engaging in 10-dimentional full spectrum surveillance of every carbon based life form, building millions of UAV's from nanobots to space station, go completely batshit crazy whenever anyone mentions 9/11 or Ron Paul or the Federal Reserve or illeal wars or vaccines or devolving education or 2nd amendment or constitution or founding fathers or liberty or freedom or anything other than 'we love our enslavement'.
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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2012, 09:25:38 AM »

Wow!

Now that is what I call reparation to the citizens !
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what about people who could not afford mortgages ?

Sounds like this may be a government with a heart  and a sense of justice .
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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2012, 10:10:54 AM »

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Does everyone realize that that is the literal opposite of "liquidating" such debt?

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As the German economist Wilhelm Lautenbach (himself a supporter of the American System of political economy, as discussed below) told a meeting of the Friedrich List Society in Berlin in September 1931 called to discuss ways of ending the depression and preventing Hitler’s seizure of power, there are basically four policy courses which are open to a nation state in a time of acute economic breakdown crisis. These policy options essentially exhaust the available choices for a modern economy and banking system. Whatever we think we may be choosing in the current depression, it is almost certain that we will in fact be choosing one of these four courses. Therefore, let us examine each one carefully, with all the diligence of a life and death decision.

Deflation and budget cutting, liquidationism.  The first policy option consists of letting the depression take its course, with minimal government intervention. Since this means letting the entire banking system sink into insolvency, and letting the supply of credit dry up completely, this approach leads to massive deflation of the type experienced in the US between 1929 and 1933, with astronomical rates of unemployment, widespread bankruptcy of small business, factory closings, and general immiseration, including widespread death by malnutrition and starvation. Deflationary policies are often accompanied by budget cuts and austerity, explained by the alleged need to balance the budget. Special targets of these austerity measures are social programs like unemployment insurance, food stamps, old-age pensions, government health care programs, and the like. This entire package is often justified by propaganda about doing away with the excesses of the speculative boom, punishing incompetent management, teaching the population to live within its means, and generally purging excesses from the system. In reality, deflation and budget cutting represent a policy which appeals to wealthy plutocrats of the criminal type. These are people who have money, and who believe that they will continue to have money, no matter what happens to the rest of the economy. Because of their inhuman cruelty and greed, they imagine that they will be able to buy up valuable distressed assets for pennies on the dollar, and that they will be able to employ skilled labor for coolie wages. These wealthy sociopaths are especially keen to target government run unemployment, food, and health programs so that starving and desperate workers can be forced to work for almost nothing to avoid starvation. For such plutocrats, every depression is an opportunity to institutionalize the low-wage, sweatshop economy.

The high priest of liquidationism was the sinister Andrew Mellon, the ultra-reactionary Secretary of the Treasury who dictated many aspects of financial and economic policy in the interests of a tiny cabal in Wall Street to Presidents Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover during the 1920s. Andrew Mellon is almost identical with today’s monetarists of the Austrian, Chicago, or supply side persuasion. Mellon’s favorite litany was: “Liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate … It will purge the rottenness out of the system. High costs of living and high living will come down. People will work harder, live a more moral life. Values will be adjusted, and enterprising people will pick up the wrecks from less competent people ….” Mellon demanded that the full fury of the world economic depression be visited upon a virtually defenseless US population. Don’t interfere with the depression, Mellon argued, and the crisis would turn out to represent nothing more than “a bad quarter of an hour.” Naturally, this approach gives no thought to the large numbers of persons who may lose their lives or their health during the crisis, nor to a generation of young people and working people who may be crushed into permanent despair by disastrous economic conditions. Indeed, liquidationists aim at the permanent lowering of the standard of living of the entire population as a positive good. Liquidationism is also prominent among the possible interpretations of the “creative destruction” slogan of another reactionary economist, Joseph Schumpeter. “Creative destruction” has generally been touted by those who did not expect to be destroyed.

Implicit in the demand by Austrians, Chicago Boys, and supply-siders that the depression be given free reign to do its disruptive work is a mystical notion of the so-called business cycle. For example, the Wall Street propagandist Miss Calamity Shlaes of the Council on Foreign Relations has developed a spurious argument, religiously repeated by right wing radical radio talk show hosts, to the effect that the Roosevelt New Deal “prolonged” the depression of the 1930s. Prolonged it in comparison to what? The Calamity Shlaes argument is evidently that the Great Depression of the 1930s would have ended automatically on its own at some point before the end of the decade if nothing whatever had been done to mitigate its devastating effects. It is notable first of all that Miss Shlaes does not ask anything about the human toll in terms of morbidity, mortality, ruined lives, despair or the permanent lowering of the living standard which her recipe of benign neglect would have entailed. She thinks that depressions are part of the business cycle and that they end up more or less automatically. In reality, there is no guarantee whatsoever that the descent into the trough of an economic depression will be followed by any kind of upswing or rebound. Quite the contrary. If we look at the 1930s, we see immediately the root cause of the collapse of world trade was the bankruptcy and default of the Bank of England on gold payments for the British pound in September 1931. This was a moment not just of collapse but true disintegration, meaning that the only world monetary system for financing trade which the world possessed at that time had been totally destroyed. World trade could not and did not revive until a new world monetary system was created under New Deal auspices at the Bretton Woods conference in New Hampshire in 1944. In order for that new world monetary system to be created, the Axis powers had to be defeated, and resistance from Great Britain and her satellites had to be drastically reduced by the de facto bankruptcy of the city of London. The new Bretton Woods monetary system, certainly not perfect but the most effective in human history up to that point, was in fact the indispensable prerequisite for a world economic recovery. If the very reactionary Miss Shlaes wanted to prove an automatic laissez-faire recovery from world depression, she would have to cite some country where Austrian school monetarist methods of opening the door wide to depression had in fact brought about a recovery before the middle of 1941. In fact, no such country existed.

Miss Shlaes and her co-thinkers also argue that the Great Depression was not ended by the government spending involved in the New Deal, but rather by the outbreak of World War II. We should point out that unemployment in the United States had virtually disappeared before Pearl Harbor as a direct result of Roosevelt’s Lend-Lease program of financially harnessing the credit resources of the Federal Reserve and the banking system for defense production, with first Great Britain and then the Soviet Union as the main beneficiaries of Lend-Lease deliveries. The reactionary argument against the New Deal is like saying that the depression was not ended by government spending, but rather by government spending. What the reactionaries are trying to say is that the depression was not ended by federal emergency relief for wage earners and other individuals, nor by infrastructure investments like the Tennessee Valley Authority (all of which they opposed tooth and nail), but rather by military expenditure. The entire position of these reactionaries is hopelessly dishonest, or garbled, and contradictory, and the fact is that liquidationism by itself has never led to an economic recovery, although it has inflicted untold damage on numerous societies. In the real world, you do not get out of a world economic depression through the mystical operations of some yin and yang cycle. You get out of the depression by producing your way out of it. For this to happen, it is generally necessary for the government to implement an adequate economic recovery program, since in a depression the private banking and financial sector by definition has completely struck out.

These monetarists and liquidationists demand today that the American people capitulate and surrender to the forces of economic and financial depression without any attempt at self defense. It is a doctrine of astounding impotence, callousness, and pessimism, and one which clashes most sharply with any traditional definition of American culture, which has always been founded on optimism and can-do spirit. We need to remember that, no matter how bad the economic policies of Herbert Hoover were in fact, Hoover never completely capitulated to the depression in the way that some Austrian monetarists are demanding today. During the depression, the Austrian monetarist Friedrich von Hayek produced articles demanding that all interference with the depression must immediately cease, while government spending should be cut. Hoover, despite the demands of some Republicans like Andrew Mellon, refused to fully embrace this course. As Hoover pointed out in his acceptance speech for the Republican presidential nomination in Washington, DC on August 11, 1932, he had tried to fight the depression. Hoover claimed that if he had followed the ultra-reactionary advice, “we might have done nothing. That would have been utter ruin. Instead, we met the situation with proposals to private business and to the Congress of the most gigantic program of economic defense and counterattack ever evolved in the history of the Republic. We put that program into action.” At a speech at Des Moines, Iowa on October 4, 1932, Hoover pointed out that “some of the reactionary economists urged that we should allow the liquidation to take its course until we had found bottom.” But Hoover stressed that his administration had “determined that we would not follow the advice of the bitter end liquidationists and see the whole body of debtors of the United States brought to bankruptcy and the savings of our people brought to destruction.” Deflation, budget cutting, and overall liquidationism in the spirit of Andrew Mellon lives on today among the followers of Milton Friedman and his Chicago school, von Hayek and von Mises of the Austrian school, and the various stripes of supply side doctrine. Liquidationism has generally been professed by the reactionary right wing of the Republican Party, especially when out of power, including such figures as Robert Taft, Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan, and Ron Paul today. This is the approach of Limbaugh, Hannity, Glenn Beck, and the other reactionary radio talk show hosts of our own time. One advantage of this form of argument is that it can be based on folksy comparisons to the kitchen-table discussion of the household budget, references to belt-tightening, thrift, and the like. This permits the blurring of certain dramatic differences between the situation of an individual household and that of a national government with resources including credit, currency, and sovereignty.

Historically, a notable exercise in the sustained and ruthless application of budget cuts was the regime of German Chancellor Heinrich Bruning. As German chancellor between March 1930 and May 1932, Bruning was unable to muster a majority of the parliament and therefore used presidential decree-laws signed by President von Hindenburg to reduce wages, reduce worker benefits, cut social welfare payments, and rob workers of the unemployment insurance which was due them. Taxes were increased, and the German living standard declined sharply. Unemployment increased disastrously from 5 million in the winter of 1930-31 to 6 million in the winter of 1931-32, which represented more than 20% and was the worst in Europe by far. By the time Bruning left office, Hitler’s seizure of power was little more than a half year in the future. The application of Austrian-school monetarism under Bruning was a catastrophic failure in economic terms, and politically opened the door for fascist dictatorship. How strange that today persons calling themselves libertarians should recommend similar policies.

-- Webster Tarpley, Surviving the Cataclysm, 2nd ed., pp. 10-13



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In case the fundamental difference between "liquidating" debt and "forgiving" it is still lost on anyone, the former means that the private bankers who engineered this depression in the first place are allowed to foreclose on everyone (even though they failed to provide "lawful consideration" for any of the collateral-backed IOUs they accepted in exchange for all the non-existent "money" they loaned), whereas the latter means they are not. So beware of anyone who wraps the former in the flag of "liberty."
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2012, 01:58:27 PM »

America could be right on par with Iceland had we voted Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party into the Oval Office.

Jump into your DeLorean and go back to 2008 and take the timeline that skewed into the Baldwin/Castle Presidency then we would be on par with ICELAND right now. Then Americans come to realize that a 3rd party vote is not a wasted vote after all.      Wink
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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2012, 02:47:22 PM »

America could be right on par with Iceland had we voted Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party into the Oval Office.

Doesn't Chuck advocate returning to a gold standard?

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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2012, 03:28:10 PM »

No more like sound money where as the assests in an economy equal to nearly that of the money supply like the Guernsey Model in the Money-Masters video.

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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2012, 03:37:57 PM »

No more like sound money where as the assests in an economy equal to nearly that of the money supply like the Guernsey Model in the Money-Masters video.

So Chuck is a Greenbacker?

That's news to me. But if that is indeed the case, then I'm as pleased as the anti-Greenbackers at the Daily Bell are horrified.
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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2012, 09:47:37 PM »

Iceland is way cool. Funny how most of Iceland's strong stands over this are nearly invisible to our "free" press.
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« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2012, 11:35:00 PM »

Interesting, unless you are the real estate SELLER who owner/financed and accepted mortgage terms from your buyer... and now, you do not have your property, and somehow the government says you are no longer entitled to your mortgage payments...
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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2012, 08:16:21 AM »

Interesting, unless you are the real estate SELLER who owner/financed and accepted mortgage terms from your buyer... and now, you do not have your property, and somehow the government says you are no longer entitled to your mortgage payments...
          Point taken, however I don't know if this is applicable to private sales,( *no banks?)

 
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« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2012, 10:11:56 AM »

I gotta ask my friend in Iceland about this.
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« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2012, 08:43:27 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2012, 09:14:19 PM »

I gotta ask my friend in Iceland about this.


I would be interested to hear what your friend's take on this is. Tarpley mentioned Greece in his interview with Alex, pointing out that the standard of living has been drastically cut: that the Icelandic government is not "saying no" to the banksters, but finding 'ways to pay' the debt. I wonder how they're doing that?


Tarpley:  This is what the bankers hate and fear. This is what is winning in Greece.
Now if you want to break the power of finance capital, you've got to have something on that, along those lines. I would say, one of the main themes being debated in here (Bilderberg meeting) is the question of whether or not there will be a coup d'etat in Athens in the next two weeks. The elections are on June 17th. Right now Syriza will emerge as the largest party. The trick of the Greek parliament is if you come in first, you get 50 votes extra. You get a bonus for coming in first. If they do, we will have, essentially, the first anti-banker government in the western world.

Alex: No, Iceland, Iceland, Iceland...

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They never had an anti-banker government; they had a social democrat who was finding ways to pay.
The other thing about Iceland - the stuff about Iceland is baloney, you know why?
Because the living standard in Iceland has been cut in half.
The devaluation of the Icelandic Crown cut the living standard in half. So if you want to be serious about breaking the power of the bankers, you better have those five things: a leader, an organization, a program (I guess it's four), and a strategy. And the strategy is 'no austerity, no deals' - don't enter into any austerity coalitions.

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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2012, 03:36:43 AM »

I would be interested to hear what your friend's take on this is. Tarpley mentioned Greece in his interview with Alex, pointing out that the standard of living has been drastically cut: that the Icelandic government is not "saying no" to the banksters, but finding 'ways to pay' the debt. I wonder how they're doing that?


Well I've e-mailed him...

But he is not an "awake" person, and very much caught up in the mainstream media fairy tale world of show biz personalities, blockbuster films, rock bands and such like.

Mind you, I used to be a bit like that myself, back in the day. Grin
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« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2012, 06:48:30 AM »

The exact quote from the OP's video is:

"The government announced that the majority of the mortgage debts of the population would be forgiven as a response to citizens' demand"

So the OP's headline was inaccurate (for starters); they did not forgive "all" mortgage debt for the "entire" population, as the original headline stated.
Also, in the video, there's not much information, and what we are 'hearing' from the subtitles is news we have to take on faith that the information was accurately translated.

Ok. So anyway, let's look at who's running the show in Iceland.

It's a little hard to believe in the 'benevolence' of the former IMF & Bank of International Settlements (BIS) leadership of the Icelandic economy, as shown in the following articles:

Iceland and unilateral adoption of another currency
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_crown

Some small countries such as El Salvador, Ecuador and Montenegro have unilaterally adopted the use of a more stable currency as a means of controlling inflation. The cost of such an adoption is generally very high, as the adopting country loses all control over monetary policy, and all the benefits of seignorage. A currency board is a second tier solution, where the exchange rate of the currency is fixed to that of another country, or a basket of currencies.

In a Gallup poll, seven out of ten Icelanders stated a preference to abandon their currency to adopt another, and the most favoured choice was the Canadian dollar, outscoring the US dollar, the euro and the Norwegian krone. This is favoured due to Canada's close northern geography and similar resource based economy, in addition to its relative economic stability.[21][22] The Canadian ambassador to Iceland also said that Iceland could adopt the currency, but the Canadian government later reversed this decision.

Mr Arnór Sighvatsson, Deputy Governor of the Central Bank of Iceland, at a meeting of the Icelandic Federation of Labour on 10 January 2012 said:

        "I am of the view that unilateral adoption of a foreign currency or a currency board could only be considered prudent if all of Iceland’s largest banks were owned by a strong foreign bank with the financial strength to provide them with liquidity during times of distress. Second, unilateral adoption of another currency is a solution that is hardly worth considering unless EMU membership has been ruled out for the foreseeable future, as it entails extra cost of purchase of new base money for the banking system (generally in the range of 70–100 b.kr. in recent years) and larger precautionary foreign exchange reserves(particularly if the banks are not foreign-owned). It would be pointless to pay that price for a few years’ benefit, plus the seigniorage that would revert permanently to the ECB. Currencies other than the euro have also been mentioned. But considering the characteristics required of such a currency, there is no other that comes close to being as beneficial for Iceland as the euro is."[23]

Arnór Sighvatsson: Iceland’s future monetary and exchange rate regime
http://www.bis.org/review/r120117d.pdf?frames=0

Prime Minister appoints new Governor and Deputy Governor of the Central Bank of Iceland
http://eng.forsaetisraduneyti.is/news-and-articles/nr/3798
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Pursuant to Article 23, Paragraph 1 of the Act on the Central Bank of Iceland, the Prime Minister has appointed Már Guðmundsson to the position of Governor of the Central Bank for a term of five years, effective August 20, 2009; and Arnór Sighvatsson to the position of Deputy Governor of the Central Bank for a term of four years, effective July 1, 2009. The term of appointment for the Deputy Governor is determined pursuant to Paragraph 1 of Temporary Provision III of Act no. 26/2009.

Már Guðmundsson received a BA in economics from the University of Essex and studied economics and mathematics at the University of Gothenburg. He has a M.Ph. degree in economics from Cambridge University, where pursued doctoral study as well. Since 2004, Már has served as Deputy Head of the Monetary and Economic Department of the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland. Prior to that, he was employed by the Central Bank of Iceland for some two decades, including over ten years as Chief Economist. Már served as economic advisor to the Minister of Finance from 1988-1991. He has written a number of papers and articles on monetary and exchange rate affairs and related topics.

Arnór Sighvatsson graduated from the University of Iceland with a BA in history and philosophy and pursued graduate study in the United States, where he received an MA and a PhD in economics from the Northern Illinois University. He was employed by Statistics Iceland concurrent with his undergraduate studies and taught at Northern Illinois University while pursuing his doctoral degree. He joined the Central Bank of Iceland in 1990 and became Chief Economist and Director of the Economics Department in 2004. He was appointed interim Deputy Governor of the Bank in 2009. From 1993-1995, Arnór served as assistant to the Executive Director of the International Monetary Fund in the Fund’s Nordic Office. He has written numerous articles and scholarly papers on monetary and exchange rate matters....

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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2012, 07:32:11 AM »

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LoveWisdomHarmony: lol nope they have NOT.... its lies... i am icelandic, og ég sanna það, með mínum íslenska orðaforða :P

LoveWisdomHarmony: <- lives in iceland, my mom is still struggling with her mortage, These REPORTS ARE UNTRUE and based on NO EVIDENCE...

LoveWisdomHarmony: yea thats pretty much what all you guys are praising, the bankers writeing off there own loans, and the loans of there friends and co-conspirators, the cabal is pushing to un hook the guy they left on the hook, when the whole stack of cards came down... pushing to take back the lawsuits in congress, its just bullshit the freemasons infect all area's of our legal system, government, police, finance, industry.. we all know how this game works, misdirection, so dont BELIEVE things based on NOTHING.

LoveWisdomHarmony: they sued 1 guy, and now are trying to redact that lawsuit, and the whole investigation was nothing more then a smoke screen while they Destroyed the evidence that would have incriminated most of our former and current government, police, judges, lawyers, bankers, you name it its corrupt in one way or another, or just plain ignorant of the reality of the situation, and when they do find out that the conspiracy is so big, the best imagery would be the conspiracy as the planet, your standing on it

LoveWisdomHarmony: because 1) its a rumor, and in no way based on any truth 2) because most media will not report on things like this................ (and i know this is not True because i live in iceland, and i have been following our financial debacle for years)

LoveWisdomHarmony: if teleSUR and RTÉ say its true, id doubt everything they say in the future, due to Bad journalism, they reevaluated the rates of the mortgage's but that was because of the collapse of the Króna, the mortgages whent up Millions in total value, so a person with a mortgage is STILL SCREWED, they did how ever WRITE OFF millions for the banks and other company's, that were formerly owned by the nation, the thief's sold themselfs our country's natural resources, and now are charging us an arm and leg

LoveWisdomHarmony: its a lie... no joke... Not true... and this is the simple fact of the matter, i also live in iceland, im icelandic, and i rent :P but my mother has been fighting her mortgage since i was 5years old im 27 now... shes enough to be able to buy 6 houses already... enough is enough... if you dont like crap, then stop eating it... your choice to accept lies as truth without research.. but ask anyone from iceland and they will tell you the same thing as the other 10 icelanders who have commented...

LoveWisdomHarmony: lol governments don't generate income ON PURPOSE... lol keep the people enslaved through debt, if the government is run on a deficit we have reasoning to ask for Tax, funny thing is, our governement used to own our phone company's, the 1 tv station, energy and some other things, problem is, those things were run at below cost before to create a deficit, so everything was inexpensive, then they sold the company's to themself's monopolized the market and raised the prizes, to be continued...


LoveWisdomHarmony: the banks were also state run, until they did the same thing, banks turn inn INSANE PROFITS... so our government sold all that stuff for low prices considering its yearly income, once banks were privatized they gave everyone and there dog loans :P all the money the governement got for the sales, was spent on luxurious crap only the elite EVER USE, an opera house... great SELL THE self sustainability of the governement so they have to DEPEND ON US... classic dick move... classic governement...


LoveWisdomHarmony: first of iceland didnt steal anything, second your desire to see the guilty brought to justice is dwarfed by the desire and pain of the icelandic people to do the same... you think that 3.5billion is inside our Financial system? if so, lol... we are going through the worst financial crisis in history, the people who stole from some of your banks Robbed ALL OF OURs, and we cant get to them because of there Freemasonic buddies running to Hide the tracks....


LoveWisdomHarmony: people demand a source.. because things like this appear, that are un-true, and are in fact not based on the reality we inhabit... so, yea just looking at the ''news'' around you, does not give you the full picture, only 1 piece of a infinite piece puzzle... SOURCES* give you a chance to look further, at the substance of the ''truth'' that is being presented, and this my friend is FAR FAR from the truth...

LoveWisdomHarmony: lol that exactly what untrue story's like that are suppose to generate, confusion and more of the same... you lived within you means, and paid of your debts, this is a positive thing, and if you help those in need it does not negate the positivity of those things... removing the Shackles of slavery from your fellow brothers and sisters is not a negative, it is only your greed that asks for more, ofcourse there has to be transparent and just removal of debt, restructuring/repossession of wealth.
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