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« on: March 28, 2012, 06:10:15 PM »

City-by-city breakdown of home prices
27 March 2012
, Washington (MarketWatch)
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/city-by-city-breakdown-of-home-prices-2012-03-27

The following is a roundup of the city-by-city breakdown of the S&P/Case-Shiller 20-city composite released on Tuesday:

See story on house prices: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/case-shiller-home-prices-fall-in-january-2012-03-27

Atlanta: Prices down 2.1% on the month and 14.8% year-on-year, the worst of the cities measured. Atlanta prices have weighed down heavily by the number of distressed properties sold.

Boston: Prices down 0.4% to take the year-on-year drop to 2.8%.

Charlotte : Due to delays in reporting for Mecklenburg County, there wasn’t data available in January.

Chicago: Prices fell 1.9% to take the year-on-year drop to 6.6%.

Cleveland: Prices fell 2% to take the year-on-year drop to 1.2%.

Dallas: Prices fell 0.4% to take the year-on-year drop to 1.2%.

Denver : Prices fell 0.6% to take the year-on-year gain to 0.2%

Detroit: Prices fell 1.1% to take the year-on-year gain to 1.7%.

Las Vegas: Prices fell 0.5% to take the year-on-year drop to 9%.

Los Angeles: Prices fell 0.8% to take the year-on-year drop to 5.4%.

Miami: Prices rose 0.6% to take the year-on-year drop to 1.9%.

Minneapolis: Prices fell 0.8% to take the year-on-year drop to 1.8%.

New York: Prices fell 0.8% to take the year-on-year drop to 2.9%.

Phoenix : Prices rose 0.9% to take the year-on-year gain to 1.3%. The Wall Street Journal recently ran a story explaining how that city’s prices have improved.

See external story on Phoenix prices: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204653604577251232717986316.html

Portland: Prices fell 0.9% to take the year-on-year drop to 4.3%.

San Diego: Prices fell 1.1% to take the year-on-year drop to 5.3%.

San Francisco: Prices fell 2.5% to take the year-on-year drop to 5.9%.

Seattle: Prices fell 0.7% to take the year-on-year drop to 4%.

Tampa: Prices fell 0.8% to take the year-on-year drop to 3.8%.

Washington, D.C.: Prices rose 0.7% to take the year-on-year drop to 0.6%.
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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2012, 10:01:17 PM »

In New  York, the Chinese/Asians seem to be buying up a lot of homes.

Lately everyone around here has the perception that anyone coming out of Asia must be filthy rich.

A friend goes to school, and all the asian kids (korea/china) come to America to go to school, most of them are so loaded they go on crazy shopping binges every week.


Im telling you, without Asia, China and Korea especially, New York would be a barren wasteland, they are the only ones with big money around here (willing to spend locally), well them and the banks (xcept the banks just sit on the cash).


I own 1 property in New York, purchased in 2007 for 800,000 ; the house 3 homes down is selling for 500,000 and is kinda nicer than mine.

The only way you can sell your house close to what the price was in 2007 (650 ~ 700,000) is to find an asian buyer.... a friend recently sold his 2nd home to a bunch of Chinese people.


PS: What is it with Chinese people and drive ways?  THEY MAKE THE ENTIRE FRONT / BACK/SIDE of their lot a drive way!!! they take 3 ~4 spots down for drive ways in a freaking city --_-- Gets so annoying to find parking on friends block!!!!!!!!!!!! Drive Way_____Hydrant_DRIVE WAY_DRIVE WAY_DRIVE WAY_DRIVE WAY_DRIVE WAY_Hydrant_DRIVE WAY_DRIVE WAY_DRIVE WAY_DRIVE WAY

I think its because Asian people can't parallel park.



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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2012, 11:51:31 AM »

Tnx for your personal story. Always interesting to hear what people experience around them and see with their own eyes.

If you would have rented a house you also would have lost money over the years so having some property even if it went down in price isn't a bad thing.


I helped to sell my ol folks property just before this crises in the last month prices still went up in the Netherlands, incredible but more luck than wisdom because I didn't had the knowledge then which I have now.

I am so glad for my folks cause my father always worked as a freelancer and all his savings went into the house practically. The man worked so hard whole his life.

But prices still will go down altough less in some hot spot places like Amsterdam (and the west part of the Netherlands).


The Netherlands is in a special situation cause has an home shortage for over 30 years. Still prices will go down and went down from the popped house bubble.

But the house market in the Netherlands is locked up now basicaly. Starters simply don't earn enough to afford an own house.
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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2012, 05:18:05 PM »

Here in SoCal, we noticed a smooth 25% devaluation in home prices from November to March.

I believe we should begin to hit the bottom come september, just in time for the world to tell us to our faces they are trading oil in gold, not dollars, and just in time for the panic of 2012.

Then it will be time to buy, if anybody can swing it and Obama doesn't set off martial law, suspend elections, or whatever...
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« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2012, 10:16:11 AM »

Here in SoCal, we noticed a smooth 25% devaluation in home prices from November to March.

I believe we should begin to hit the bottom come september, just in time for the world to tell us to our faces they are trading oil in gold, not dollars, and just in time for the panic of 2012.

Then it will be time to buy, if anybody can swing it and Obama doesn't set off martial law, suspend elections, or whatever...

I would be very cautious to call a housing bottom. Bubble economics predicts that houses will decline below real market value first before returning to more reasonable levels.

The houseprice decline is depending on the actual economic situation and there won't be any improvement soon with this debt build up and 'easy money' with ultra low rates which punishes savers. People's income is deteriorating also trough inflation beside the lack of grow of income. And in the U.S. you also got this huge inventory/oversupply of houses.

Since the economy won't be healed soon I predict that house declines are here to stay for years to come.
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« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2012, 01:09:48 PM »

^ Agree with above, home prices need to fall bellow their fair market value substantially before a "bottom" can be called out.

The banks are not revealing the full picture......... there are 10's of millions of homes EVERYWHERE that are in default for longer than 2 years.

The banks are not foreclosing because it would tear down their ponze scheme... right now the banks are "allowed" to hold a mortgage on its books for its future value (which they can determine by whatever metrics they want).

So by foreclosing on a house, their balance sheet looks worst and worst as the house devalues on the banks books.


If it came down to it right now, the bank would rather let the home owner sit there and retain the property and avoid taking the house directly onto its books as a depreciating asset.

Dont forget.... with a house comes , taxes, maintenance, etc... imagine a house goes without maintenance for 4 ~ 5 years.
Its going to be broken into, damaged, roof will leak ruining everything, sidewalk will crack (more liability) as people trip and sue the bank for not maintaining the house... etc... it makes the bank look bad to foreclose.

Its cheaper for the bank to just "give the house away to the debtor" and forgive the debt than it is to take and keep the house ... because the mortgages are just paper garbage (they are worthless) the bank put up no assets and risked nothing to "originate" the mortgages.... they dont lend money .... they create from nothing tangible.



Home prices will fall bellow 2001 levels.


The current "false floor" is just the result of propaganda , the president wants to be re-elected so hes pulling strings to bottom out things until after the election.... we should see atleast another 15% ~ 20% drop.


I think a "fair" price would be 65%~75% lower than 2007~2008 highs.


A fair price for my current home would probably be about 450~500,000$... BUT to get that ... lol GL.
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2012, 01:30:53 PM »

City-by-city breakdown of home prices
27 March 2012
, Washington (MarketWatch)
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/city-by-city-breakdown-of-home-prices-2012-03-27

The following is a roundup of the city-by-city breakdown of the S&P/Case-Shiller 20-city composite released on Tuesday:

See story on house prices: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/case-shiller-home-prices-fall-in-january-2012-03-27

Atlanta: Prices down 2.1% on the month and 14.8% year-on-year, the worst of the cities measured. Atlanta prices have weighed down heavily by the number of distressed properties sold.

Boston: Prices down 0.4% to take the year-on-year drop to 2.8%.

Charlotte : Due to delays in reporting for Mecklenburg County, there wasn’t data available in January.

Chicago: Prices fell 1.9% to take the year-on-year drop to 6.6%.

Cleveland: Prices fell 2% to take the year-on-year drop to 1.2%.

Dallas: Prices fell 0.4% to take the year-on-year drop to 1.2%.

Denver : Prices fell 0.6% to take the year-on-year gain to 0.2%

Detroit: Prices fell 1.1% to take the year-on-year gain to 1.7%.

Las Vegas: Prices fell 0.5% to take the year-on-year drop to 9%.

Los Angeles: Prices fell 0.8% to take the year-on-year drop to 5.4%.

Miami: Prices rose 0.6% to take the year-on-year drop to 1.9%.

Minneapolis: Prices fell 0.8% to take the year-on-year drop to 1.8%.

New York: Prices fell 0.8% to take the year-on-year drop to 2.9%.

Phoenix : Prices rose 0.9% to take the year-on-year gain to 1.3%. The Wall Street Journal recently ran a story explaining how that city’s prices have improved.

See external story on Phoenix prices: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204653604577251232717986316.html

Portland: Prices fell 0.9% to take the year-on-year drop to 4.3%.

San Diego: Prices fell 1.1% to take the year-on-year drop to 5.3%.

San Francisco: Prices fell 2.5% to take the year-on-year drop to 5.9%.

Seattle: Prices fell 0.7% to take the year-on-year drop to 4%.

Tampa: Prices fell 0.8% to take the year-on-year drop to 3.8%.

Washington, D.C.: Prices rose 0.7% to take the year-on-year drop to 0.6%.


City-by-city home prices from 20 top markets
24 April 2012
, by Steve Goldstein - Washington (MarketWatch)
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/city-by-city-home-prices-from-20-top-markets-2012-04-24

The following is the city-by-city breakdown of the cities followed in the S&P/Case-Shiller 20-city composite that was released Tuesday.

Nationally, prices hit a near-decade low in February.

• Atlanta: Prices down 2.5% monthly and 17.3% yearly. It was the worst annual rate of home value change in the 20-year history of the index.

• Boston: Prices down 1.1% monthly and 2.4% yearly.

• Charlotte: Prices down 0.4% monthly and 1.8% yearly.

• Chicago: Prices down 2.5% monthly and 6.9% yearly.

• Cleveland: Prices down 1.7% monthly and 4.4% yearly.

• Dallas: Prices were steady on the month and down 1% yearly.

• Denver: Prices down 0.9% monthly and up 0.5% yearly.

• Detroit: Prices down 1.3% monthly but up 1.5% annually. Prices in Detroit have dropped by nearly a third since January 2000, by far the worst movement of any of the major cities measured.

• Las Vegas: Prices down 0.4% monthly and 8.5% annually. Las Vegas home values are down 62% from the peak.

• Los Angeles: Prices down 0.8% monthly and 5.2% annually.

• Miami: Prices up 0.6% monthly and up 0.8% annually.

• Minneapolis: Prices down 1% monthly but up 0.4% annually.

• New York: Prices down 0.8% monthly and 3% annually.

• Phoenix: Prices up 1.2% monthly — the only city with back-to-back monthly gains — and up 3.3% annually.

The Phoenix market has been helped by low inventories, employment growth and demand from Canadians.

See WSJ.com story on Phoenix market http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204653604577251232717986316.html

Portland: Prices down 0.3% monthly and 3% annually.

San Diego: Prices up 0.2% monthly but down 3.9% annually.

San Francisco: Prices down 0.7% monthly and 4.1% annually.

Seattle: Prices down 0.8% monthly and 2.9% annually.

Tampa: Prices down 0.2% monthly and 2.9% annually.

Washington, D.C.: Prices down 0.8% monthly and 2.3% annually.
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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2012, 06:47:01 PM »

Insight: Falling home prices drag new buyers under water
26 April 2012
, by Tim Reid (Reuters)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/26/us-usa-housing-negative-idUSBRE83P12E20120426

More than 1 million Americans who have taken out mortgages in the past two years now owe more on their loans than their homes are worth, and Federal Housing Administration loans that require only a tiny down payment are partly to blame.

That figure, provided to Reuters by tracking firm CoreLogic, represents about one out of 10 home loans made during that period.

It is a sobering indication the U.S. housing market remains deeply troubled, with home values still falling in many parts of the country, and raises the question of whether low-down payment loans backed by the FHA are putting another generation of buyers at risk.

As of December 2011, the latest figures available, 31% of the U.S. home loans that were in negative equity - in which the outstanding loan balance exceeds the value of the home - were FHA-insured mortgages, according to CoreLogic.

Many borrowers, particularly since late 2010, thought they were buying at the bottom of a housing market that had already suffered steep declines, but have been caught out by a continued fall in prices in wide swaths of America.

Even for loans taken out in December - less than four months ago and the last month for which data is available - nearly 44,000 borrowers, or about 7.5% of the total, now find themselves under water.

"The overwhelming majority of the U.S. is still seeing home prices decline," said CoreLogic senior economist Sam Khater. "Many borrowers continue to be quickly wiped out."

The problem is not uniform around the country. In some areas, such as Washington, D.C., Miami and parts of northern California, prices are on the rise.

CoreLogic predicts the overall U.S. housing market will finally bottom out this year.

And the number of homeowners falling under water each month has decreased significantly since the peak of the financial crisis in 2008 and early 2009.

Still, Khater said, since October 2010 average home prices have fallen 7.4% Overall, CoreLogic data shows that 11.1 million, or 22.8%, of U.S. residential properties with a mortgage are in negative equity, unchanged from the summer of 2010.

According to the S&P/Case-Shiller 20-city composite index, which tracks home values in 20 major U.S. metropolitan areas, U.S. home prices were down 3.5% in February from a year earlier and are now at their lowest level since late 2002.

Over the past 12 months, 15 of the 20 major metropolitan areas monitored saw declines.

CoreLogic says a significant factor causing recent home loans to slide under water has been the availability of government-insured mortgages that require only a small down payment.

These loans, insured by the FHA, require a down payment of as little as 3.5% of the purchase price, providing only a small cushion of protection against a drop in home prices that could drive a borrower into negative equity.

"This is creating a new wave of underwater borrowers," said Gary Shilling, a veteran financial analyst and well-known housing market bear.

"We have all three branches of government trying to keep people in four bedroom houses who can't afford chicken coops."

The U.S. Federal Reserve, in a report delivered to Congress in January, estimated that 12 million American homeowners had negative equity.

Of those, the Federal Reserve said, 3 million were borrowers with FHA-insured loans.

CoreLogic's Khater said: "Low down payment lending in a weak housing market and weak economy begs the question whether we are setting up the FHA to have a multitude of failures down the line."

Jason Opalka took out an FHA-backed loan on his two-bedroom property in the suburbs of Orlando, Florida, in August 2010.

He was helped by Certified Mortgage Planners of Orlando, who negotiated the FHA-backed loan with the lender, Freedom Mortgage, based in New Jersey.

Opalka was refinancing another FHA-backed loan he had obtained in 2008, for $196,000, then at an interest rate of over 6%.

Under the refinancing, he borrowed $192,278 at an interest rate of 4.5%.

Opalka, looking at the paperwork, is still surprised at the down payment he had to make in 2010, for a property valued at the time for little more than the loan was worth and in which he had almost no equity.

His down payment was just $3,000 - or about 1.5% of the total loan.

Less than two years later, local real estate estimates now value Opalka's home at no more than $110,000.

"I'm at least $80,000 under water," Opalka told Reuters.

"We never expected to go under water. We never expected prices to fall like they have.

We definitely didn't see this coming. If I'd known this, we probably would have rented."

Florida has seen one of the greatest drops in house values since the housing crash of 2008, 30% on average since October 2010 and over 50% since the height of the bubble in 2006, according to Case-Shiller.

FHA-insured loans were begun during the Great Depression and have traditionally been used to enable lower income Americans to get mortgages.

Historically, FHA loans accounted for 8% to 12% of the mortgage market.

According to the FHA, this rose to 30% in late 2009 and to about 50% for first-time buyers at the height of the financial crisis.

FHA officials say they are deliberately reducing their market share of loans as the private sector increases its lending.

The agency share of home loans is today down to about 25%, and will continue to fall, officials say.

Charles Coulter, a deputy assistant secretary in the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, which oversees the FHA, said it was the FHA's mission to provide affordable housing, particularly in times of financial crisis when private sector financing dries up.

"We are the only opportunity for borrowers who can't come up with a 5%, 10% or 20% down payment to get a home," Coulter said.

He said the size of down payments was "an important risk parameter, it's something we have been evaluating and a factor we will continue to evaluate."

Coulter said beginning in 2009, FHA took a number of steps to tighten qualification standards for the government-insured loans.

In January 2009, the minimum down payment for an FHA loan rose from 3% to 3.5%, and the upfront premium for mortgage insurance has also been raised.

In October 2010, only borrowers with a credit score of 580 or above could get a loan with a 3.5% down payment.

Those with credit scores between 500 and 579 faced a 10% down payment.

Those with credit scores below 500 do not qualify for an FHA loan.

FHA officials say the credit score of the agency's average borrower is 700.

A Fair Isaac Corporation score - known as FICO and the standard evaluation of creditworthiness in the United States. - of less than 620 is usually considered sub-prime.

Manny Bongiovanni, a mortgage broker in Phoenix, who has processed mainly FHA-backed loans in recent years, said most such loans were issued at a 30-year, fixed low interest rate.

"Most of the people I have dealt with have ended up paying less on their monthly mortgage payments than they were when they rented.

The good thing is, we have got lots of young families into these homes.

"And if they stay put, they will eventually get equity."
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