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« on: March 24, 2012, 10:12:51 AM »

The tungsten salted gold bars story has some truth to it.

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     http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7315137.stm
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0EIvXTzVbo
     http://www.infowars.com/gold-counterfeiting-german-tv-discovers-500g-tungsten-bar-with-bank-origin/

Yet another reason why instituting a new gold standard is a horrible idea:

     http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=98465.msg1232275#msg1232275
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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2012, 12:22:09 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2012, 06:54:34 PM »

Tungsten-Filled 1 Kilo Gold Bar Found In The UK


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/tungsten-filled-1-kilo-gold-bar-found-uk
Tungsten-Filled 1 Kilo Gold Bar Found In The UK
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 03/24/2012 - 16:50
Australia Central Banks Germany Hyperinflation Roman Empire United Kingdom
The last time a story of Tungsten-filled gold appeared on the scene was just two years ago, and involved a 500  gram bar of gold full of tungsten, at the W.C. Heraeus foundry, the world's largest metal refiner and fabricator. It also became known that said "gold" bar originated from an unnamed bank. It is now time to rekindle the Tungsten Spirits with a report from ABC Bullion of Australia, which provides photographic evidence of a new gold bar that has been drilled out and filled with tungsten rods, this time not in Germany but in an unnamed city in the UK, where it was intercepted by a scrap metals dealer, and was supplied with its original certificate. The reason the bar attracted attention is that it was 2 grams underweight. Upon cropping it was uncovered that about 30-40% of the bar weight was tungsten. So two documented incidents in two years: isolated? Or indication of the same phenomenon of precious metal debasement that marked the declining phase of the Roman empire. Only then it was relatively public for anyone who cared to find out on their own. Now, with the bulk of popular physical gold held in top secret, private warehouses around the world, where it allegedly backs the balance sheets of the world's central banks, yet nobody can confirm its existence, nor audit the actual gold content, it is understandable why increasingly more are wondering: just how much gold is there? And alongside that - while gold, (or is it GLD?), can be rehypothecated, can one do the same with tungsten?

In related news Tungsten filled tacos:

Taco Bell Sued Over Meat That's Just 35 Percent Beef | Fox News
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/01/25/wheres-beef-taco-bell-sued-ingredients/
Feb 3, 2011 – An Alabama law firm claims in a lawsuit that Taco Bell is using false advertising when it refers to using seasoned ground beef or seasoned beef ..
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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2012, 09:08:03 PM »

where is this gold now?

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Quote from: Letsbereal on May 09, 2011, 04:34:59 PM
RAF aerial photos from WW2 used to discover location of £500m Nazi gold bunker
9 May 2011, by Allan Hall (Daily Mail)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1385135/Nazi-gold-worth-500m-using-R-A-F-aerial-photos-WW2.html

    Wartime photos used to pinpoint secret bunker location
    Luftwaffe bombed area to destroy evidence at the end of the war
    Human remains, believed to those of slave labourers who built it, discovered


 

General Patton's third army discovered 100 tons of Nazi gold as well as stolen art and other treasures hidden in a salt mine near mockers, southwest of Gotha in 1945.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1385135/Nazi-gold-worth-500m-using-R-A-F-aerial-photos-WW2.html#ixzz1Lu87ptPn

Another historian involved in the planned dig said: 'We have Nazi labour battalions digging in the forest assisted by slaves, British warplanes taking photos of the workings, our own side bombing it - and a report from Berlin of trucks leaving the Reichsbank and headed towards Leipzig under S.S. guard.
'The fact that the government back in 1961 thought it worth digging here makes us certain that the gold is here.' 

Douglas DeWitt Bazata - After the war he became a celebrated artist who enjoyed the patronage of Princess Grace of Monaco and the Duke and Duchess of Windsor

Remember the Duke and Duchess of Windsor were Nazi's....

related thread: General Patton Asassinated To Keep Him Quiet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lehman

John F. Lehman, Jr. (born September 14, 1942) is an American investment banker and writer who served as Secretary of the Navy in the Reagan administration and in 2003-4 was a member of the 9/11 Commission.

He was also involved in the Project for the New American Century, that claimed the absence of a "catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor" in the document "Rebuilding America´s Defenses", which was released in September 2000. His most famous quote according to NNDB is: "Power corrupts. Absolute power is kind of neat."

related see above Target Patton - Douglas DeWitt Bazata Obit 1999

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/08/22/world/douglas-dewitt-bazata-artist-and-oss-officer-dies-at-88.html
Douglas DeWitt Bazata, Artist And O.S.S. Officer, Dies at 88
By ERIC PACE
Published: August 22, 1999

Douglas DeWitt Bazata, who served with the United States Office of Strategic Services behind enemy lines in France in World War II and later became an artist, died on July 14 in his home in Chevy Chase, Md. He was 88.

The death of Mr. Bazata was belatedly reported to The New York Times.

He was described as ''a red-haired soldier of fortune who called all colonels 'Sugar' '' in a 1978 book, ''Honorable Men,'' by William E. Colby, a former Director of Central Intelligence, and Peter Forbath.

Mr. Bazata had already served in the Marines and was a skilled boxer and marksman when he became an Army officer in 1942 and also joined the O.S.S., the forerunner of the Central Intelligence Agency.

He went on to be one of a daring group of about 50 American parachute officers who volunteered for what Mr. Colby described as ''a highly hazardous mission'' in Nazi-occupied France, Belgium and the Netherlands.

Other members of the group included Stewart Alsop, later a noted journalist, and Mr. Colby.

http://www.robertkwilcox.com/article-patton2010.html
WAS GEN. PATTON ASSASSINATED?CONTROVERSY
By Robert K. Wilcox:
...

Douglas Bazata was the first of these two witnesses to go public. An Office of Strategic Services (OSS) “Jedburgh” in World War II, the forerunners of US Special Forces, he claimed that as an OSS assassin, he was asked to kill Patton by OSS chief Gen. William“Wild Bill” Donovan. The order was the culmination of a long-running plot during the war that had started as a non-lethal “stop Patton” plan. Later, in interviews with me, he enlarged that scenario, claiming that he, along with an NKVD (Russian military intelligence) accomplice, set up the December 9 “accident,” and that others – he believed the Soviets – had completed the task in the hospital.

                       It is not well known except amongst certain historians that Donovan forged a cooperating alliance between the OSS and NKVD, beginning in 1943. And despite the fact that he was sometimes played for a fool by the Russians, whose spies already riddled the OSS (and therefore the NKVD did not need the cooperation), he continued working with them throughout the war and after.

                       The other witness was Stephen J. Skubik, a Counter Intelligence Corps (CIC) agent attached until war’s end to Patton’s armies. Afterward he continued working as a CIC agent among Soviet-dominated Ukrainians whom, he said, warned him that Stalin had put Patton on an NKVD hit list.

Skubik, who wrote a privately-printed book entitled, The Murder of General Patton, claimed three top Ukrainians – Gen. Pavlo Shandruk, Prof. Roman Smal-Stocki, and the Ukrainian nationalist leader Stepan Bandera – each separately warned him that Patton was marked for murder. But when he reported the plot to Wild Bill Donovan himself, instead of being grateful, Donovan had him jailed. Following Patton’s death, Skubik was forced to flee Germany for fear of being murdered himself. For several years he lived in hiding in America.

                       These two witnesses are highly credible. Their stories mesh without either having known about the other. Bazata, who left the army as a major, was one of the most decorated Jedburghs, having jumped into, among other harrowing missions, Nazi-occupied France to help organize local resistance in preparation for D-Day. He spent 25 years after WWII in Europe as a clandestine, was a good friend of fellow Jedburgh and ex-CIA director William Colby, and ended his career as an aide to Secretary of the Navy John Lehman during the Reagan Administration.

                       Skubik, after emerging from hiding, rose to a top managerial position in the Prudential Insurance Company in Washington D.C., and aided Republican presidents from Eisenhower through Reagan as an expert on Eastern European affairs. I vetted both men extensively through secret documents at places like the National Archives and through interviews with those who knew them. They both died in the 1990s. But if this case were ever brought to a grand jury, their preserved testimony, I believe, would be enough to get an indictment.

                       Even without such testimony, Patton’s death remains an unsolved mystery. In the months before he died, for instance, he was involved in at least two other highly suspicious accidents.

                       On May 3, 1945, Patton was almost decapitated when a farmer’s wagon with some sort of scythe-like instrument protruding from it suddenly rolled out unattended from a side street towards his passing jeep and “missed us only by about an inch,” he wrote in his diary.

                       The other “accident,” just a few weeks before, on April 10, 1945, is even more suspicious. Patton was visiting units in his light observation plane when four Polish Spitfires supposedly mistook his tiny aircraft for a Nazi fighter and attacked it. While three circled and acted almost as lookouts, the fourth Spitfire made repeated attacks. If not for the ground hugging and evasion skills of Patton’s pilot, the general surely would have been killed. As it was, the attacking Spitfire couldn’t pull up after one of its steep diving attacks and crashed. The Russians by that time controlled Poland. Patton was livid, and an aide accompanying him in the plane vowed to find out what happened. But to this day, there is scant information about the attack beyond what both wrote in their diaries.

http://www.specialforcesroh.com/browse.php?mode=viewawards&sort=n&catid=42&page=1
JEDBURGH - Jedburgh Teams (BCRA,OSS,SOE)
Douglas DeWitt (Doug) Bazata
OSS Jedburgh Team Cedric

Distinguished Service Cross,Croix de Guerre with 2 palmes (Fr),Croix de Guerres with gold star (Fr),Purple Heart

born 17.2.1911 Wrightsville,Pennsylvania
educated Syracuse University
USMC 1933-37
commissioned US Army 1942
codename Vesdre
WIA 1944

left Army 1947 as Major
married Diana Chirieleison 1943 (divorced)
married Penelope Grant 1948 (divorced)
married Marie-Pierre 1970
father of Nicholas of Northumberland,England
artist postwar
died 14.7.1999 Chevy Chase,Maryland
Arlington National Cemetery,Virginia Section 66 Site 793

Colby
William Egan (Bill) Colby - for biography see OSS Awards

OSS Jedburgh Team Bruce

The Jedburghs: The Secret History of the Allied Special Forces, France 1944 [Hardcover] Will Irwin

http://www.nps.gov/history/history/online_books/oss/
OSS Training in the National Parks and Service Abroad in World War II

By John Whiteclay Chambers II 2008
U.S. National Park Service
Washington, D.C.

http://www.nps.gov/history/history/online_books/oss/chap8.pdf
OSS in Action: The Mediterranean and European Theaters
OSS casualties in France

Of the 83 American Jedburghs, 5 were killed in action, 6 percent, almost double the 3 ½ percent overall death rate; 3 were missing or captured; and 6 were wounded
...
Captain Douglas (“Doug”) DeWitt Bazata, head of Team Cedric in eastern France was badly wounded in action
...
Major William E. Colby, who would later become head of the CIA under Presidents Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford, was an “Army Brat,” born in St. Paul, Minnesota, and raised at military facilities around the world, including China. On a
scholarship, he went to Princeton University, spent a summer in France, and obtained a commission through Army ROTC. He had just finished his first year at Columbia Law School, when he was called to active duty in 1941. Bored with the field artillery, he joined the paratroops, from which OSS recruited him in September 1943. By December, the 23-year-old paratroop officer had completed SO training at Areas F and B and was bound for England as a Jedburgh.151 The youthful, scholarly looking major was assigned to head Jed Team “Bruce” with two French soldiers. Their mission was to aid the French Resistance in the Yonne Valley some sixty miles southeast of Paris.

Instead of being dropped into a rural area, the plane on a mid-August night, dropped them right into the
center of a German-occupied town. The falling supply containers woke up the townspeople as well as the Germans, and the Jedburgh team had to dodge patrols for two days until they were able to reach the maquis. Although it was later discovered that the local Resistance had been run by a collaborator working with the Germans, by August
1944, Colby realized the Nazis would be defeated and he did not endanger the Jeds.
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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2012, 09:38:57 PM »

http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/03/25/the-problem-of-fake-gold-bars/

The problem of fake gold bars

By Felix Salmon
Reuters
March 25, 2012

You don’t need to be a conspiracy theorist to find this worrying: a 1kg gold bar, certified as 99.98% pure by XRF (X-ray fluorescence) tests, turns out to have been drilled out and largely replaced with tungsten. This bar was discovered only because it was 2 grams lighter than it ought to have been: the forgers failed to add quite enough gold to the outside of the bar to make up for the weight lost when they replaced gold with tungsten. But if they’d gotten the weight right, it would probably still be circulating today.

Of course, there are means of testing gold bars beyond just weight and XRF. If you can weigh the bar accurately, then you can test for purity by essentially dropping it in a bucket of water and seeing how much the water level rises: a gold-covered tungsten bar will displace more water than a pure gold bar. Alternatively, for $3,000 or so you can buy a micro ohm meter, which is easily sensitive enough to tell the difference in conductivity between a pure gold bar and one which is largely tungsten.

But as far as I know, these tests are not particularly commonplace among gold dealers, and in any case only a minuscule fraction of the gold bars in the world are physically traded, changing hands from one owner to the next — the obvious point at which tests like these would be conducted. If you own gold — if you’re a central bank, say, or a physical-gold ETF, or even if you’re just a Ron Paul or Glenn Beck type with your own personal stash — then there’s no realistic chance at all that you’re going to go bar by bar through your own holdings, testing each one.

In the case of gold, then, what JK Galbraith famously called “the bezzle” — the amount of wealth that people think they have, which in fact they don’t have — could be truly enormous.

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