A Second Civil War Question

[dragonmonkey]

So here is my first post,

I am wondering if America is long over due for a real flat out knuckle busting civil war.  I am curious to the pros an cons of it, Alex Jones states that is just what those who are trying to destroy America wants, so don't give in to it.  Though  my question is, when the check an balance system we have in place are all on one side to protect each other, then what other option is left ?  When there is a two party regieme in place that is on two sides of the same coin, how are we as citizens supposed to peacefully replace and fix such a system ?  When votes can be bought, laws ignored and created at a whim, when lazy and misinformed people are too stupid to see past their nose or just dont care, then why bother in a peaceful way to try an vote out the corrupt.

An by no means do i think that every politician is corrupt, there are just too many corrupt politicians in power versus the decent ones or flat out good ones.

I don't want to vote anymore, not after reading trickle down tyranny, and seeing indeed how right on the money the author was.  and if we start arresting politicians we start with Obama and work our way back in time to arrest and undo this mess probably to some where going as far back as the 60s.

Washington DC is the problem, all branches of government are infected and corrupted, and it will never be perfect but it can at least be evened out. 


I would like nothing more to see the heads of the current admin arrested and or deported or at the very least, tossed out of power, but if they were, who would we replace them with ?  Along with big names on both sides being tossed out.

basically create a list of the most corrupt politicians one can think of, an remove them from power, who ever is left can be considered to fill vacant positions.   

So hypothetically, if I had my own military or band of merry men to go out and arrest those who are turning this country upside down, who here can convince me that i shouldn't ?

Why is it so far fetched to think it can not and should not ever happen, when looking back at the American Revolution, those men and women where labeled terrorists and traitors, yet in the end look what happened.   So if this same government is as corrupt as we know it to be, why do we need permission to remove them and replace these corrupt politicans by force ?  Is our country really that weak to handle such a conflict ?

[One Revelator]

There are still systems in place to legally remove corrupt politicians by non-violent means. (recall, voting out)

There is still the possibility, slim as it is, for all 50 states to secede, then reconstitute under a new union, thereby nullifying all three branches of the current federal government.

If you gather a band of armed merry men, then it depends on under whose authority you are operating. The authority must be human or humans and currently alive on this earth. Anything else will not be legally recognized. If you simply operate under your own authority, you will be considered criminal and will be dealt with as such.

In any country where there is a military coup, it becomes repetitive. One faction overthrows another, which overthrows another. Rarely, if ever, does the “winner” voluntarily relinquish control. This seems to be the natural outcome of taking something by force by groups that are accountable to no one.

[OpenSight]

So here is my first post,

I am wondering if America is long over due for a real flat out knuckle busting civil war.  I am curious to the pros an cons of it, Alex Jones states that is just what those who are trying to destroy America wants, so don't give in to it.  Though  my question is, when the check an balance system we have in place are all on one side to protect each other, then what other option is left ?  When there is a two party regieme in place that is on two sides of the same coin, how are we as citizens supposed to peacefully replace and fix such a system ?  When votes can be bought, laws ignored and created at a whim, when lazy and misinformed people are too stupid to see past their nose or just dont care, then why bother in a peaceful way to try an vote out the corrupt.

An by no means do i think that every politician is corrupt, there are just too many corrupt politicians in power versus the decent ones or flat out good ones.

I don't want to vote anymore, not after reading trickle down tyranny, and seeing indeed how right on the money the author was.  and if we start arresting politicians we start with Obama and work our way back in time to arrest and undo this mess probably to some where going as far back as the 60s.

Washington DC is the problem, all branches of government are infected and corrupted, and it will never be perfect but it can at least be evened out. 


I would like nothing more to see the heads of the current admin arrested and or deported or at the very least, tossed out of power, but if they were, who would we replace them with ?  Along with big names on both sides being tossed out.

basically create a list of the most corrupt politicians one can think of, an remove them from power, who ever is left can be considered to fill vacant positions.   

So hypothetically, if I had my own military or band of merry men to go out and arrest those who are turning this country upside down, who here can convince me that i shouldn't ?

Why is it so far fetched to think it can not and should not ever happen, when looking back at the American Revolution, those men and women where labeled terrorists and traitors, yet in the end look what happened.   So if this same government is as corrupt as we know it to be, why do we need permission to remove them and replace these corrupt politicans by force ?  Is our country really that weak to handle such a conflict ?

Welcome DM

I don't believe the US is ready for a violent uprising, blood shedding, civil war, but it could possibly be on the horizon.  Why?  Right now, we are still in the INFOWAR stage.  No revolution can be successful without an idea strong enough to unite and motivate the participants.  For the last 200+ years, that idea has been the Constitution.  The DISINFORMATION campaign and undermining taking place now seeks to confuse, divide and conquer, to convince us that Freedom, Sovereignty, and the pursuit of individual Happiness is an outdated and impractical way to live.  Natural Law, of course, demonstrates and proves otherwise, as can be observed in our everyday lives where unprecedented success and advances have improved human life immensely.

You are correct, our check and balance system has been corrupted, but we need to be careful in our methods for cleaning up that corruption.  The use of force should only be relied upon as a last resort, as a strictly defensive measure, and only after first blood has been drawn by the opposing side.  We do not want a situation resembling Rus sia in the early 1900's, when the people united against the tsars, overthrew them, and in so doing opened the door to one of Earth's greatest episodes of blood letting ever known, when their success led them to a place where no one could unite or agree on a replacement government, and eventually led to the sheeple DEMANDING a dictatorship.  We already have the tool we need, the CONSTITUTION, and we need to use it for the redress of our grievances. Voting is a method, holding dialogues with your representatives is a method, writing letters to the editor, posting on forums, turning off the tube, reading books, educating your children, talking with your neighbors, joining rallies, studying the laws etc., all are methods for peaceful solutions.

I'm not trying to convince you that you shouldn't arrest law breaking and corrupt officials, I'm trying to convince you that IF YOU MUST, make sure that you don't circumvent the law to do so, for if you do, you are no better than they... the American Revolution never ended...it continues today...and we are stronger because we don't have to start at square 1, we already have a foundation.

Hope that helps.

[dragonmonkey]

ty for the replies thus far,  and i agree with both of you,  and i would argue in our hypothetical world here , that we do not need to wait for this corrupt system to draw first blood.  The analogy if you will of we the people being the frog are in this pot of water, and it simply gets hotter and hotter until it is too late seems to be taking place.

There seems to be this undertone that  there is a section of citizens that would be more than happy to have a big round of applause for someone to flat out say that the Constitution and Bill of Rights is outdated, needs to be rewritten and in turn form a dictatorship under a different name.

Luckily we do see a resistance in a non violent nature, to prevent the 2nd amendment from being destroyed, and numerous issues that are at hand from immigration reform, and too much government control.  It is good to see, but I still feel it is merely those politicans taking notice to do just enough to quell the resistance.  They do one thing to appease the rumble and then turn around and take a jab at 2 more things in the dark.

If one is to look at the American Revolution, those founding fathers had no legal right in the eyes of the crown to do what they did, same thing in regards to our Constitution and Bill of Rights, the laws are already there in place to protect us from what has already happened since the 60s' this complete bastardization of our government. We the citizens really do not need much else than a list of grievances that can be verified and documented and then compared to our Constitution and Bill of Rights , to then by force remove those in question. But we all know every politician would then simply turn around, say we have no idea what we are talking about because we are not lawyers, and label us terrorists and do worse.

it is a sick turn of events being played out over and over.   With probably no favorable answer other than to stay vigilant and keep yelling as loud as possible.

Lucikly there is the option for states to nullify any federal law, though that is pretty much political suicide for anyone who does.

Part of me wishes that the government and socialist party would go ahead and get all the control they wish for, that talk radio programs like Alex Jones, this website, the Tea Party website, Fox News, any other program out there with a half iota of truth would just disapear.  Let it all go to hell so those fools who have been dreaming and foaming at the mouth for it can have it finally and see exactly how horrible it is , because once one hits rock bottom the only way out is up.

anyhow thanks for letting me rant and pose this question, and if anyone feels that a forceful removal is an option feel free to step up an give a reason as to why that i have not probably not even come close to touching upon.

an for those who have more reasons as to why removal by force is not an option yet please give more reasons also,,     

furthermore if one can provide resources / links as to the reason for or against removing politicans by force in the Constitution an or Bill of Rights please drop it in this thread, pending of course if you have the time and energy, I for one just take it for granted under common sense that there are plenty of reasons in both for the removal of corrupt politicans by force.

now as to wether it should be done by citizens or elected police/sheriff personell maybe that is the real question. ?

[One Revelator]

There seems to be this undertone that  there is a section of citizens that would be more than happy to have a big round of applause for someone to flat out say that the Constitution and Bill of Rights is outdated, needs to be rewritten and in turn form a dictatorship under a different name.

You are correct about that. Here’s an example of that type of propaganda posted on March 13th.

10 Reasons The US Needs a New Constitution

by Ryan Thomas, March 13, 2013

Government doesn’t always know what its people want, much less what they need. Other forms of government don’t care either way, but the US is supposed to be a shining example of liberty and democracy, and everything “our forefathers envisioned.” Unfortunately the US has failed in many ways to live up to those expectations, but perhaps it’s because those expectations don’t really apply to the US That set of expectations, as it turns out, is the US Constitution. Perhaps, given what we know now, it’s about time we draft up a new one, one that actually applies to us and the times we live in. Here are ten reasons why.

More:
http://listverse.com/2013/03/13/10-reasons-the-us-needs-a-new-constitution/

[BlackMask]

Nonviolent opposition only goes so far, true. Gandhis are only effective insofar as there is some shred of simple human decency in the bullies.

Yet America's apparent complacency and denial is a mixture of 3 things: cowards who will agree black is white to avoid violence, the hopelessly stupid who believe America is their own private joyride and who can't begin to understand the true depth of this evil or the historical fight for liberty in all its forms, and last but not least the patient patriots who understand the true stakes and know how dire the situation is so are trying to gain every advantage before it gets really bloody.

Because while being the aggressor may make you feel macho and like you're doing something, it will also play directly into their hands. Those psychos want that, they want the war and they want you to strike first. The infowar won't end once shooting starts. It will get crazier.

[-Savage_Sigma-]

My most significant concern is not the stupid, lazy, sloppy "agents" / corrupt cops, but rather the foreign aid that will be undoubtedly brought in when the people back them into the corner...We can beat our domestic tyrants, I am sure.  But the Chinese, or NATO forces on top of that? That would be a tall order. 

[BlackMask]

Yes, that is a big concern for me as well, and I'd like Alex to try tackling the issue of how the rest of the world will respond when it gets to that point.

[One Revelator]

SOP so far has been to destabilize a country into civil violence, then occupy with foreign “peacekeepers”, then pose as saviors and rebuild the way that international banks/corporations want it to be. Currency is always devalued to nil in the first phase. The Balkans and Iraq are examples of this technique.

Interesting that this DIDN’T work in Iceland. The people at large immediately identified the banks/corporations as the cause of the problem and stormed the parliament. Resignations ensued. The people generally did not have the go-along-to-get-along attitude. There was no foreign military occupation.

[dragonmonkey]

So another thought, where is the final line for some of you here that would be enough of a reason to move towards force against the corrupt in our government ?

does someone in the government literally have to come bang on your door and take something from you ?

how many laws need to be broken before enough is enough ?

how many more debates need to be had on the actual meaning of what has been written in our consititution and bill of rights ?

are people waiting to see troops in the streets and law enforcement in tactical gear ?  and if so what then as these are the same people we praise all the time in this country for their hard work.

for those of you who are worried about outside troops, coming in to quell the masses, i guess the UN, China ? 

I would simply say by the time it comes to that , shit will have already hit the fan and it will be too late.

my opposite thought to that is, who would any of you consider as an outside country or what ever that would support the American people if they did decide to remove politicians by force. ?

[BlackMask]

I'm not going to get into a lot of detail about what I will or won't do. I have family to think of. My actions are based on protecting them.

Too late... we could argue that it's been too late for many years. It may have been too late when we allowed the 9/11 crime to change our country, to set up the system being used against us. It may have been too late 100 years ago when the global banking mafia was allowed in and the Fed was established.

I will know my own personal rubicon when I cross it

[OpenSight]

So another thought, where is the final line for some of you here that would be enough of a reason to move towards force against the corrupt in our government ?

does someone in the government literally have to come bang on your door and take something from you ?

how many laws need to be broken before enough is enough ?

how many more debates need to be had on the actual meaning of what has been written in our consititution and bill of rights ?

are people waiting to see troops in the streets and law enforcement in tactical gear ?  and if so what then as these are the same people we praise all the time in this country for their hard work.

for those of you who are worried about outside troops, coming in to quell the masses, i guess the UN, China ? 

I would simply say by the time it comes to that , shit will have already hit the fan and it will be too late.

my opposite thought to that is, who would any of you consider as an outside country or what ever that would support the American people if they did decide to remove politicians by force. ?

I'm with BlackMask on this one, this environment is not secure enough to describe details of the final line to be crossed or its solutions, at least at this particular time, other than to say be ready and be alert.

However, I heard recently that the U.S. Marshals are our local representatives who have the power to enforce laws up to and including arresting Federal representatives, including the Pres.  Like the Sheriffs, they have final say on local matters, particularly those of a Judiciary nature.  I am still researching these claims, but would suggest at this time that you do some research on your own to find out who your local Marshals are.  If it indeed comes to the point that WE THE PEOPLE decide that the time is right to round up those accused of treason, you can bet that these guys need to be with us to make it legal.  Here is an interesting place to start. http://www.justice.gov/marshals/

Also, despite all the disinformation to the contrary, there are many countries and people in the world who stand behind us in our fight for liberty and freedom, as they know that the U.S. is still the last shining light on the the mountain top.  I think that they know the corruption does not come from the people, but from the looters of spirit and money. As they say, IT AIN'T OVER TILL THE FAT LADY SINGS!

[dragonmonkey]

Ty open sight, I will indeed have to research more on the US Marshalls, as i forgot they have this ability, but if the only way the US Marshalls can arrest or stop corrupt politicians from the president down is by a court order, we the people are pretty much still screwed.

indeed there are other countries who are on the side of the American People that is deff good to know.

[nukefarmer]

DM, while I don't know how things will shake up, take everyday you can to prepare. One of the best things you can do is keep in shape and ward yourself off any Big Pharma's drugs.

[JT Coyoté]

If this infowar in the continuing American Revolution against tyranny fails, and degenerates into a civil war, American against American, divided along some arbitrary, racial, political, or ideological lines... the globalist bankers sitting off shore financing both sides, will laugh at us and our stupidity as they sip their highballs and dine on caviar. We by our idiocy will accelerate the world's plunge into a technologically enhanced 1000 year dark-age that will make the middle ages seem like a Sunday school picnic.

Get out there and wake folks up, call your representatives and give them the vision... while we still have time.

JTCoyoté

"Democracy... while it lasts is more bloody than either
[aristocracy or monarchy]. Remember, democracy never
lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself.
There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide."
~John Adams

[jerryweaver]

Ty open sight, I will indeed have to research more on the US Marshalls, as i forgot they have this ability, but if the only way the US Marshalls can arrest or stop corrupt politicians from the president down is by a court order, we the people are pretty much still screwed.

indeed there are other countries who are on the side of the American People that is deff good to know.

Maybe this will get exported to the US..  Mexicans taking our JOBS from us again DAMN!!!!

Agorism Rises in Mexico as Corrupt Officials are Arrested by Militias

On Monday March 25th volunteer community forces took control of a town on a highway in the state of Guerrero, Mexico.
 Numbering in the hundreds, they arrested local police officers and searched homes after  one of their leaders was killed.


by Derrick Broze
Intellihub.com
March 29, 2013

The self-described “community police”  were stopping traffic Wednesday at improvised checkpoints in the town of Tierra Colorado.
The Associated Press reported that several of these men opened fire on a car headed to the beach.
 They arrested 12 police and the former director of public security in response to the slain leader.

Corruption and violence have run rampant while the Mexican government has struggled to come up with solutions.

The President  of Mexico, Enrique Pena Nieto, has promised to focus more on the robberies, extortion and violence that affect ordinary Mexicans.
While the government is attempting to focus on local policing matter, the citizens are not sitting around waiting for help.

In El Mezon, a Mixtec indigenous village75 miles northeast of Acapulco, the people have taken to creating their own community protection.
 In an article on the GlobalPost, Evert Castro, a municipal councilman ,says:

“The federal and state governments haven’t been able to do anything, And we don’t have the capacity to fight these criminals.
 So the people got tired and decided to act on their own. We see this as a good thing.”

The  Tlachinollan human rights organization spoke positively of the rise in community protection agencies.
 According to the groups website, “The justice system is neither efficient nor trustworthy.
This is one of the fundamental reasons why the strategy against organized crime has failed.”

The Tlachinollan continues:
“Today the organized people of the Costa Chica realized that the security forces and justice organs don’t do their job but on the contrary collaborate with the organized criminal bands.
For that reason [the people] have decided to provide security and justice according to their own systems.”

These types of situations are likely to increase, not only in Mexico but in the European Union where the economy continues to tumble.
Whether it be Cyprus, Spain, Greece, or Mexico the formula will be the same.

The government wanes in influence and economic power.

http://intellihub.com/2013/03/30/agorism-rises-in-mexico-as-corrupt-officials-are-arrested-by-militias/

[EvadingGrid]

If this infowar in the continuing American Revolution against tyranny fails, and degenerates into a civil war, American against American, divided along some arbitrary, racial, political, or ideological lines... the globalist bankers sitting off shore financing both sides, will laugh at us and our stupidity as they sip their highballs and dine on caviar. We by our idiocy will accelerate the world's plunge into a technologically enhanced 1000 year dark-age that will make the middle ages seem like a Sunday school picnic.

Get out there and wake folks up, call your representatives and give them the vision... while we still have time.

JTCoyoté

"Democracy... while it lasts is more bloody than either
[aristocracy or monarchy]. Remember, democracy never
lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself.
There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide."
~John Adams

I would suggest watching Weight Of Chains as it maps out a tragic example of how the Globalists did that in the 1990's
Very good film.


w00t !
Went to find the website, which is here http://weightofchains.com/ and found that they made SECOND NEW Flim http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=62FwBdNJOW8

[JT Coyoté]

I would suggest watching Weight Of Chains as it maps out a tragic example of how the Globalists did that in the 1990's
Very good film.


w00t !
Went to find the website, which is here http://weightofchains.com/ and found that they made SECOND NEW Flim http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=62FwBdNJOW8

Exactly. We are looking at the Balkanization of America... Just as they divided the Yugoslavian states by race, religion, and ideology in the '90s, it is a microcosm of what they are in process of doing here now... Working along the same basic lines, driving 3 "races" to confrontation with the media foisting the ghost of slavery and Reconquista... racism as the cause.

The global bankers are trashing the American economy in the same way now as they did in Yugoslavia, to herd the population, completely unaware of the mechanics of what the bankers and politicians are doing... Folks feeling cornered, begin lashing out at their neighbors... they see all blacks as "gang-bangers", or all whites as the "white oppressor," or all Latino's as "invaders"...

Slowly as the economy artificially retracts the money supply shrinks, people are forced to work 2 or 3 jobs just to eek by.  Unemployment surges, more go on social programs, taxes rise to unheard of levels. In desperation people grasp onto the racial, economic, ideological, or religious "causes" foisted up by the "trusted" main stream media, further raising the anxiety until it reaches a flashpoint.

This is what they are doing. These two movies explain how they did it then and are doing it here in the USA now. They show you the results of the globalist beta test in Eastern Europe.

JTCoyoté

"There are people who think that plunder loses
all its immorality as soon as it becomes legal.
Personally, I cannot imagine a more alarming
situation." ~Frederic Bastiat

[BlackMask]

Great posts!

[JT Coyoté]

Folks should search out and listen to the first hour of Alex's 03/13/13 show. The globalists are in the process of "uncloaking" right before they fire, just like they did with their media demonizing of Muslims the months before Sept. 11, '01... only now they are demonizing PATRIOTS!

Are you shouting... "GLOBALIST FALSE FLAG IS COMING!" "GLOBALIST FALSE FLAG IS COMING!"...from the roof tops yet?

JTCoyoté

“Those who seek absolute power, even
though they seek it to do what they
regard as good, are simply demanding
the right to enforce their own version
of heaven on earth. And let me remind
you, they are the very ones who always
create the most hellish tyrannies.”
~Barry Goldwater

[iamc2]

  My thoughts about a 2nd Civil War: It will not be a divisional war, like North vs. South, or an Ethnic war, or Poor vs. Middle class, Oh these play a part and this is happening now!
 
  With all the Gov. Gun Laws, and buying Bullets, Drones, and Police Tanks! are they pushing a war?---you are Damn Right They Are!
And it will be a War on We the People, Rich, Poor, and any Color, whether from the East, North, West, South---they will start a war!

  I also believe it is coming a lot sooner than most think!

[JT Coyoté]

 My thoughts about a 2nd Civil War: It will not be a divisional war, like North vs. South, or an Ethnic war, or Poor vs. Middle class, Oh these play a part and this is happening now!
  
  With all the Gov. Gun Laws, and buying Bullets, Drones, and Police Tanks! are they pushing a war?---you are Damn Right They Are!
And it will be a War on We the People, Rich, Poor, and any Color, whether from the East, North, West, South---they will start a war!

  I also believe it is coming a lot sooner than most think!

What you describe in your last paragraph is not a "civil war" it is a rebellion, a revolution against tyranny. They have been trying to divide the people against one another to provoke a civil war since the '60s.

What the infowar is all about is uniting the diversity of our people into what you have described... a united front against the globalist eugenicists. War and death are not the answer... Life and Reason IS the answer.

JTCoyoté

“I would remind you that extremism in
the defense of liberty is no vice! And let
me remind you also that moderation in
the pursuit of justice is no virtue!”
~Barry Goldwater

[iamc2]

What you describe in your last paragraph is not a "civil war" it is a rebellion, a revolution against tyranny. They have been trying to divide the people against one another to provoke a civil war since the '60s.

What the infowar is all about is uniting the diversity of our people into what you have described... a united front against the globalist eugenicists. War and death are not the answer... Life and Reason IS the answer.

JTCoyoté

“I would remind you that extremism in
the defense of liberty is no vice! And let
me remind you also that moderation in
the pursuit of justice is no virtue!”
~Barry Goldwater

 JTCoyote, thanks mate; I concur with your analysis, and yes WE DO HAVE TO BE THE ANSWER [with Life and Reason] AND NOT THE PROBLEM [with War and Death]...as the controller's would have people believe...and it is True that in the 1960's things started getting UGLY as I grew up in the inner city during the race riots of the '60's'...and the School Bus Program started the whole mess...and the NWO has been growing bigger and BIGGER and quicker and QUICKER...the older I get the more I can hear the GOOSESTEPS A' COMING...

 I Pray the Lord would Give All Of Us Wisdom and Courage In These Times...AMEN!

[dragonmonkey]

I am not one to want to play into anybodys game, if what those in power want is an actual physical conflict be it a rebellion or civil war and that is not the answer, and those of this NWO are capable of dumbing down citizens left an right,  how are we that are awake to the problem at hand suppose to work with in the law to fix the problems we face by education and informing when those we want to educate and inform are just too ignorant, racisist, close minded, Godless, and uneducated or just flat out do not care ?

Is there a point where our fellow Americans just out number us ? call it lazy versus educated, 

or socialism vs ( capitalisim, actual Americans who believe in our Consitution , Bill of Rights an a just government )

And if we are outnumbered, or when,  would that be a reason to resort to force, or just continue the peaceful fight with pushing information out to anyone who will listen ?

[TahoeBlue]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jREUrbGGrgM
The Band - The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down
Virgil Caine is the name and I served on the Danville train
'Til Stoneman's cavalry came and tore up the tracks again In the winter of '65,
we were hungry, just barely alive
By May the tenth, Richmond had fell It's a time I remember, oh so well

The night they drove old Dixie down
And the bells were ringing
The night they drove old Dixie down
And the people were singing
They went, "La, la, la"

Back with my wife in Tennessee, when one day she called to me
"Virgil, quick, come see, there go the Robert E.Lee
"Now I don't mind choppin' wood, and I don't care if the money's no good
Ya take what ya need and ya leave the rest
But they should never have taken the very best

The night they drove old Dixie down
And the bells were ringing
The night they drove old Dixie down
And all the people were singing
They went, "La, la, la"

Like my father before me, I will work the land
And like my brother above me, who took a rebel stand
He was just eighteen, proud and brave, but a Yankee laid him in his grave I swear by the mud below my feet
You can't raise a Caine back up when he's in defeat

The night they drove old Dixie down
And the bells were ringing
The night they drove old Dixie down
And all the people were singing
They went, "Na, na, na"

The night they drove old Dixie down
And all the bells were ringing
The night they drove old Dixie down
And the people were singing
They went, "Na, na, na"

[JT Coyoté]

I am not one to want to play into anybodys game, if what those in power want is an actual physical conflict be it a rebellion or civil war and that is not the answer, and those of this NWO are capable of dumbing down citizens left an right,  how are we that are awake to the problem at hand suppose to work with in the law to fix the problems we face by education and informing when those we want to educate and inform are just too ignorant, racisist, close minded, Godless, and uneducated or just flat out do not care ?

Is there a point where our fellow Americans just out number us ? call it lazy versus educated,  

or socialism vs ( capitalisim, actual Americans who believe in our Consitution , Bill of Rights an a just government )

And if we are outnumbered, or when,  would that be a reason to resort to force, or just continue the peaceful fight with pushing information out to anyone who will listen ?

Reasoned understanding of the situation as well as the law is essential... don't get caught up in the minutia of false diametric paradigms, it is not about that. It's not about Dem./Rep., not Communism/Capitalism, Socialism/Fascism Christian/Muslim, none of it. It is Liberty vs Tyranny... there is no other struggle in creation.

We must continue of course ..."pushing information out to anyone who will listen"... increasing our numbers.  They will start the war, should it start... and be sure about one thing, if it starts... you can bank 100% that they started it.

Here are some fact for you...

Once the Founders understood that secession from Britain was their only recourse… they realized that it must be a UNANIMOUS move.

By the same token today, any state wishing to join those seeking remedy must bide their time until we have at least a Ratifying Majority of 38 states together in order to start the process of secession from our present federal Agent, a UNANIMOUS 50 State secession would be best however.

The Constitution and our statute laws forbid deportation of individuals for political differences, I don't care how large the petitions grow... they just show the ignorant foolishness of some people. Now deportation for treason, sedition, and subversion... well that is a different kettle of fish, now isn't it.

When discussing this with others remember what is appropriate based on what has and must be done. There’s a procedure here, they know it, and we know it, and, they know we know it, hoping we’ll get impatient and fragment instead.

Step 1. 10th Amendment Notification: The feds are warned by State Resolution that they are violating the Constitution. They are respectfully asked to cease unconstitutional legislation and federal mandates immediately. This began in the mid 1990s and reached 3/4ths majority of states almost 4 years ago.

Step 2. Nullification: This is a refusal by the state government to implement any unconstitutional federal mandates sent down, as determined by the state legislatures as disregarding of the previous resolution… This has been ongoing for a couple of years now. This also signals the beginning of selection of delegates to a New Continental Congress, a provisional government for maintaining our Constitutional rule of law during the removal of the usurper imposters and their unconstitutional offices should step 3 be needed.

Step 3. Disavowal and Secession: This is a timed move by the states in unison. A recall and dis-empowering of all state representatives and senators assigned to the federal city. This is when false flags will begin in earnest. This is where we find ourselves now. The bastards will not relinquish power without a fight. Globalist false flag skirmishes will erupt like those of Hitler on the Polish border before he invaded to begin WWII.

These attacks will be leveled particularly against States that have not yet joined movement, to keep them from re-uniting with he ratifying majority of States who united before the withdrawal. We must be prepared for these foreign attacks or invasions against us and our prodigal sibling States. Now you know the reason for the 1.6 billion round DHS Ammo requisition.

The States not yet enjoined will need our protection. The united majority, must not harm the splintered minority however… If attacked they will quickly realize they are under global attack and begin one by one to rejoin us. If all 50 States withdraw together from the beginning this re-uniting fight will be unnecessary.

The Oath bound military will be with us from the beginning, or they will be in violation of their Oath to the Constitution. We the ratifying Majority of States retain the Constitution as our own you see, by at least a 3/4ths Constitutional majority. The best case would be for all 50 states to withdraw at the same time, no place for the globalists to to wedge any division there.

Step 4. Reconstitution:  This will begin at the moment of disavowal and withdrawal. the Continental Congress will act as provisional constitutional government until we re-establish our normal Constitutional government. A Continental Congress was convened about 4 years ago in South Carolina, by the way…

This is a chalk board overview of the process, Hope it helps. YOU NEVER CALL FOR, OR SUPPORT A CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION, not even in the best of times... the Bastards control them. They have control of the delegate selection process at the top... they will gut the Constitution and kill the Republic if one is convened. We have a predatory federal government as well as some state government predators in power right now... please try to remember that.

JTCoyoté

Remember, we do not want to secede from the united States of America... Secession is about us, We the people of the united States of America, withdrawing together, from the Empire, and firing the present the federal government, since this federal government is the unconstitutional Imperial representative and dictatorial power we face.

The states must stay together under our Constitutional Contract of Dec. 15 1791, and fire the Federal agent, as prescribed in the Declaration of Independence.  We must not split up and become sitting ducks. WE MUST NEVER WITHDRAW FROM OUR CONSTITUTIONAL UNION.

If Colorado or any State, alone or in small blocks less than 3/4 of the states in number, breaks the contract, we end up in a Civil War 2.0 situation which we DO NOT WANT... What we want is a unified American Revolution 2.0 situation... A UNIFIED WITHDRAWAL.

Petition Your State Governments, to consider a unified withdraw of support from the Bloated Foreign Banker Run Federal Destroyer. You must not petition beyond discovery, the Defendant in this action, namely, The United States Inc., the present federal usurper in power.

THE UNITED STATES of AMERICA, AS A CONSTITUTIONAL UNION, PETITIONS AS THE UNITED STATES of AMERICA TO WITHDRAW FROM THE GLOBAL EMPIRE AND RE-INSTITUTE OUR LAWFUL CONSTITUTIONAL FEDERAL AGENT AND RID OURSELVES OF THE PRESENT GLOBALIST IMPOSTER.

JTCoyoté

Oldyoti

"Find out just what people will submit to, and you have
found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which
will be imposed upon them; .... The limits of tyrants are
prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."
~Frederick Douglass

[fred.greek]

Some perhaps relevant readings:

SECOND AMERICAN REVOLUTION VICTORY GUIDE
http://www.scribd.com/doc/51729720/SECOND-AMERICAN-REVOLUTION-VICTORY-GUIDE-2-0

SECRET FREEDOM FIGHTER
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21109443/Jefferson-Mack-Secret-Freedom-Fighter-Fighting-Tyranny-Without-Terrorizing-the-Innocent

THE COMING INSURRECTION
http://www.scribd.com/doc/48653996/The-Coming-Insurrection

Civil War II
http://www.scribd.com/doc/58562141/Civil-War-II

LEADERLESS RESISTANCE
http://www.louisbeam.com/leaderless.htm

STARFISH AND THE SPIDER
http://www.scribd.com/doc/10521739/The-Starfish-and-the-Spider

[dragonmonkey]

38 states needed for a real secession or move to prove a point, interesting,  So out of the 50 which 38 would be likely to put on their big boy pants and step up to the plate. ?

[One Revelator]

38 states needed for a real secession or move to prove a point, interesting,  So out of the 50 which 38 would be likely to put on their big boy pants and step up to the plate. ?

All states except the blue ones.

[dragonmonkey]

38 states including DC ?  talk about a long shot,  I would be a betting man at , at least 10 States being willing to step up.

At the risk of throwing this totally off track, ill pose another question that would hopefully relate to the original question of a possible second civil war or a revolution pick which ever term you prefer.

Come in 2014  and the 2016 election,

What are we to do if the socialist party takes the senate an the house in these respective years once again ?  Do we have to rethink things an consider that perhaps this is what America really is now, going down the road to total tyranny, that it has finally become acceptable as long as those that want get what they want for free while the rest of us work.   

If the Democrat party wins in 14 and 16 who is going to buck the system an say wait a minute something is really wrong here.  Is it at that point in time things will really be shaking up in our country between freedom vs tyranny ?  or  are we to keep pressing the info wars upon our fellow Americans an persuade them to peacefully change their minds.

The flip side is if the republicant party takes the senate an w.h in 14/16, do we give a big round of applause an say the system still works  ? Could any of us really expect if the republicans win the senate to then actually peacefully stop obama, by impeachment procedures, going after Eric Holder over the fast an furious screw up, an then undoing obama care?

I dont see any of that happening at all, i think they have too big of a project to bite off, an i imagine they will do absolutely nothing but tell papa obama how much they love him an want to protect our country ( from us getting our freedom back ).

So if the republicants take back the senate an wh, an still do nothing, what then ?

[JT Coyoté]

38 states including DC ?  talk about a long shot,  I would be a betting man at , at least 10 States being willing to step up.

At the risk of throwing this totally off track, ill pose another question that would hopefully relate to the original question of a possible second civil war or a revolution pick which ever term you prefer.

Come in 2014  and the 2016 election,

What are we to do if the socialist party takes the senate an the house in these respective years once again ?  Do we have to rethink things an consider that perhaps this is what America really is now, going down the road to total tyranny, that it has finally become acceptable as long as those that want get what they want for free while the rest of us work.    

If the Democrat party wins in 14 and 16 who is going to buck the system an say wait a minute something is really wrong here.  Is it at that point in time things will really be shaking up in our country between freedom vs tyranny ?  or  are we to keep pressing the info wars upon our fellow Americans an persuade them to peacefully change their minds.

The flip side is if the republicant party takes the senate an w.h in 14/16, do we give a big round of applause an say the system still works  ? Could any of us really expect if the republicans win the senate to then actually peacefully stop obama, by impeachment procedures, going after Eric Holder over the fast an furious screw up, an then undoing obama care?

I dont see any of that happening at all, i think they have too big of a project to bite off, an i imagine they will do absolutely nothing but tell papa obama how much they love him an want to protect our country ( from us getting our freedom back ).

So if the republicants take back the senate an wh, an still do nothing, what then ?

DC is not a state... It was created by the Constitution in this agreement between the states... DC and all federalized state capitols, military reservations, and compounds created under the provisions initiated by the unconstitutional and nefarious National Security Act of 1947, these are the areas where the corporate enemy resides...

A civil war is where the people fight each other and the real enemy watches intently at a distance like the gleeful Hitler from his "perch" eating popcorn and sherbet...

A revolution is where the people awaken and unite against the popcorn eating voyeur and kick his ass...

The elections are not relevant because they are controlled by the popcorn eating voyeur...

We have one year to get our shit together... if each of the reported 30 million Americans who are awake, awakened just 10 other people... we win by a resounding unanimity... We best get crackin', we're burnin' day-light..

JTCoyoté

"None are more hopelessly enslaved
than those who falsely believe they
are free." ~ Johann W. Von Goethe

[EvadingGrid]

Public Information Break


The thing to note about Capitol Hill is that its original correct name was ROME.

Its kinda hilarious that while something like 1/3rd of Americans have been sucked into the Left Behind deception, almost nobody knows the true name is ROME.


Now back to the thread !