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Poll: Ron Paul Strongest Against Obama In Head To Head Matchup
« on: February 28, 2012, 04:02:38 am »
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Poll: Ron Paul Strongest Against Obama In Head To Head Matchup

Also named most truthful GOP candidate in separate study

Steve Watson
Prisonplanet.com
February 27, 2012



GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul is leading the incumbent president in a hypothetical matchup, according to a newly released poll from respected pollster Rasmussen.

Paul scores 43% over 41% for Obama in the poll, with 10% saying they would vote for some other option, a figure that includes 17% of Republicans.

Paul also picks up 15% of the vote from self-identified liberals, according to Rasmussen.

Mitt Romney is the only other candidate to lead Obama in the poll, scoring 45% to Obama’s 43%. Paul polls the strongest, however, given that he drives the president’s numbers down further than Romney.

A hypothetical Paul nomination also drives the undecided voters up significantly.

Senator Rick Santorum trails the president nationally by two percentage points, 45% to 43%. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich trails even further behind when pitted against Obama, with a ten point deficit, 49% to 39%.

Paul has regularly emerged as the strongest contender in other polls when matched head to head with Obama. This is the first time, however, that he has done so in a Rasmussen poll.

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Re: Poll: Ron Paul Strongest Against Obama In Head To Head Matchup
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2012, 05:09:37 am »
In view of how absolutely disastrous the Obama presidency has turned out to be (just as Webster Tarpley said it would), I find it ridiculous that this is even a contest.

In a head-to-head matchup with Ron Paul (or any other non-establishment candidate, for that matter), Obama should be polling no higher than 20%, because it is only those within the top 20% who have in any way benefited from his corporate fascist economic policies, his Nazi-style police state policies, and/or his Bush-style foreign policy.

Yet Obama continues to poll at more than twice that percentage.

Different people will, of course, have different opinions as to why that is.

IMHO, it's because on economic issues Ron Paul is making the same mistake that John McCain made four years ago -- politically attacking Obama from his "right" instead of his "left," thus giving him the "left cover" he needs to continue implementing his pro-Wall Street/pro-austerity agenda.

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZdHEkm7DoY

For an illustration of how one can avoid this mistake even while calling for dramatic cuts in federal spending, see the following:

     http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=161315.msg958494#msg958494

Before anyone starts hyperventilating, please understand that I'm not the only Ron Paul supporter to reach this conclusion. Paul Craig Roberts has offered similar constructive criticism repeatedly this year:

     http://www.prisonplanet.com/america%E2%80%99s-last-chance.html
     http://www.prisonplanet.com/more-on-ron-paul.html
     http://www.prisonplanet.com/how-ron-paul-could-win.html
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Re: Poll: Ron Paul Strongest Against Obama In Head To Head Matchup
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2012, 02:19:47 pm »
How viable would some of those policies actually be? The minimum wage in the UK was introduced about 15 years ago, raised each year and it only resulted in employers ducking around it via unpaid placements and increased use of illegals\immigrant labour...

To an extent I don't blame them, as it's becoming increasingly unviable to run a legitimate business here (one that doesn't receive special privileges). Their non-labour and compliance costs are so high that they end up cutting what they can control which is wages.

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Re: Poll: Ron Paul Strongest Against Obama In Head To Head Matchup
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2012, 02:56:28 pm »
How viable would some of those policies actually be? The minimum wage in the UK was introduced about 15 years ago, raised each year and it only resulted in employers ducking around it via unpaid placements and increased use of illegals\immigrant labour...

Well, as you already know, my approach to economic reform is different from both the traditional left-wing approach and the traditional right-wing approach. That's why I said Dr. Roberts' constructive criticism was merely "similar" to mine -- similar not because he advocates the same solutions I do, but because, like me, he realizes

(a) that the economic program of the Austrian School is not only not the "only" alternative to that of establishment liberals, but not the most preferable one; and

(b) that the Ron Paul campaign could therefore win far more votes than it loses by modifying its economic message in accordance with this insight.

Hope that clarifies the point I was making.
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Re: Poll: Ron Paul Strongest Against Obama In Head To Head Matchup
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2012, 04:05:27 pm »
Well, as you already know, my approach to economic reform is different from both the traditional left-wing approach and the traditional right-wing approach. That's why I said Dr. Roberts' constructive criticism was merely "similar" to mine -- similar not because he advocates the same solutions I do, but because, like me, he realizes

(a) that the economic program of the Austrian School is not only not the "only" alternative to that of establishment liberals, but not the most preferable one; and

(b) that the Ron Paul campaign could therefore win far more votes than it loses by modifying its economic message in accordance with this insight.

Hope that clarifies the point I was making.

Yes, but what specific alternatives do you think the campaign would realistically consider and would "get over" with the average voter? Most people I talk to can't get their head around the concept of LVT as opposed to wage\sales taxes (because high property values make homeowners feel more secure) and don't understand the true nature of the monetary system (preferring to resort to the simplistic household budget model).

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Re: Poll: Ron Paul Strongest Against Obama In Head To Head Matchup
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2012, 04:46:36 pm »
Yes, but what specific alternatives do you think the campaign would realistically consider and would "get over" with the average voter? Most people I talk to can't get their head around the concept of LVT as opposed to wage\sales taxes (because high property values make homeowners feel more secure) and don't understand the true nature of the monetary system (preferring to resort to the simplistic household budget model).

On the tax issue, I think it's safe to assume the Paul campaign would never even consider the LVT as a possible alternative, so I would encourage them to consider the next best thing: use the hundreds of billions in tax dollars currently being wasted on imperialist wars of aggression to fund a dramatic reduction in the individual income tax for the bottom 99%. I'm fairly certain that that alone would immediately win him scores of new converts from the Occupy movement.

On the monetary issue, I would encourage the campaign to consider promoting the Greenback solution advocated by (among others) Bill Still, since Mr. Still is so widely known and admired throughout the patriot movement, since the average voter is already under the impression that the government creates our money supply (even though in reality it's currently created by private bankers as an interest-bearing debt to themselves), and since -- by eliminating the interest burden of the national debt -- this would generate hundreds of billions more in tax savings that could then be used to reduce the tax burden of the bottom 99% even further.

I have other suggestions I could make, but I'll leave it at that for now.
"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

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Re: Poll: Ron Paul Strongest Against Obama In Head To Head Matchup
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2012, 05:46:49 pm »
http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/2012/02/28/poll-ron-paul-bests-obama-for-the-first-time-nationally/
Poll: Ron Paul bests Obama for the first time nationally
The State Column | Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Fans of Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul will rejoice upon hearing the following news:

Congressman Paul (R-TX) has defeated President Barack Obama in a Rasmussen Reports daily presidential tracking poll of general election voters released Monday.

This is the first time that Mr. Paul has defeated Mr. Obama nationally.

Mr. Paul garnered 43 percent of the votes among general election voters and Mr. Obama pulled 41 percent of the votes.
 
Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney also bested Mr. Obama. The Bain Capital co-founder earned 45 percent of the votes and the former Illinois senator brought in 43 percent of the votes. This is the first time since December 2011 that Mr. Romney has led Mr. Obama in a Rasmussen Reports daily presidential tracking poll.
 
While Mr. Paul and Mr. Romney are now favored over Mr. Obama in a general election, former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich trail the president. Mr. Santorum lost to Mr. Obama by 2 percentage points and Mr. Gingrich fell to the president by 10 percentage points.


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Re: Poll: Ron Paul Strongest Against Obama In Head To Head Matchup
« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2012, 07:58:07 am »
On the tax issue, I think it's safe to assume the Paul campaign would never even consider the LVT as a possible alternative, so I would encourage them to consider the next best thing: use the hundreds of billions in tax dollars currently being wasted on imperialist wars of aggression to fund a dramatic reduction in the individual income tax for the bottom 99%. I'm fairly certain that that alone would immediately win him scores of new converts from the Occupy movement.

I can support that. It's a shame that aside from marginal parties and individuals, nobody here in the UK wants to cut income tax for the average person...

On the monetary issue, I would encourage the campaign to consider promoting the Greenback solution advocated by (among others) Bill Still, since Mr. Still is so widely known and admired throughout the patriot movement, since the average voter is already under the impression that the government creates our money supply (even though in reality it's currently created by private bankers as an interest-bearing debt to themselves), and since -- by eliminating the interest burden of the national debt -- this would generate hundreds of billions more in tax savings that could then be used to reduce the tax burden of the bottom 99% even further.

I would go as far as to say that is more important than any other economic policy issue. Maybe I should migrate to the US, when their visa system is a little less nazi. Or marry an American woman  :D