What if advanced robotics practically eliminates the need for human labor?

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Re: What if advanced robotics practically eliminates the need for human labor?
« Reply #320 on: February 25, 2017, 04:22:52 AM »

The latest "nightmare inducing" Boston Dynamics robots
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Re: What if advanced robotics practically eliminates the need for human labor?
« Reply #321 on: February 25, 2017, 04:37:57 AM »
Raspberry Pi

Not sure if people know that an alternative path, a path driven by the creativity of "Men In Sheds" to build things that nobody else has thought of, that do useful or entertaining things.

I mention this because the entry cost into the world of robotics starts at around $35 for a Raspberry Pi board.

I lack the motivation, but ordinary people are capable of building robots - not the sill science fiction type that try and walk, but ones that do useful jobs.
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Re: What if advanced robotics practically eliminates the need for human labor?
« Reply #322 on: February 28, 2017, 12:10:37 AM »
Bumping for reality check.... this is happening.
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Wendy’s Unleashes 1,000 Robots To Counter Higher Labor Costs
« Reply #323 on: February 28, 2017, 01:35:46 PM »
Does anyone honestly believe (as Zero Hedge apparently does) that, if rent-gouged laborers just stopped being difficult and agreed to work for slave wages, that this would some how prevent AI robotics from rendering a large percentage of the workforce permanently obsolete? If so, then I have a bridge to sell you.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/minimum-wage-massacre-wendys-unleashes-1000-robots-to-counter-higher-labor-costs.html

Minimum Wage Massacre: Wendy’s Unleashes 1,000 Robots To Counter Higher Labor Costs

Zero Hedge
February 28, 2017

In yet another awkwardly rational response to government intervention in deciding what’s “fair”, the blowback from minimum wage demanding fast food workers has struck again. Wendy’s plans to install self-ordering kiosks in 1,000 of its stores – 16% of its locations nationwide.

“Last year was tough — 5 percent wage inflation,” said Bob Wright, Wendy’s chief operating officer, during his presentation to investors and analysts last week. He added that the company expects wages to rise 4 percent in 2017. “But the real question is what are we doing about it?”

Wright noted that over the past two years, Wendy’s has figured out how to eliminate 31 hours of labor per week from its restaurants and is now working to use technology, such as kiosks, to increase efficiency.

Wendy’s chief information officer, David Trimm, said the kiosks are intended to appeal to younger customers and reduce labor costs. Kiosks also allow customers of the fast food giant to circumvent long lines during peak dining hours while increasing kitchen production.

As Dispatch.com reports, the Dublin-based burger giant started offering kiosks last year, and demand for the technology has been high from both customers and franchise owners.

“There is a huge amount of pull from (franchisees) in order to get them,” David Trimm, Wendy’s chief information officer, said last week during the company’s investors’ day.

“With the demand we are seeing … we can absolutely see our way to having 1,000 or more restaurants live with kiosks by the end of the year.”

A typical store would get three kiosks for about $15,000. Trimm estimated the payback on those machines would be less than two years, thanks to labor savings and increased sales. Customers still could order at the counter.

Kiosks are where the industry is headed, but Wendy’s is ahead of the curve, said Darren Tristano, vice president with Technomic, a food-service research and consulting firm.

“They are looking to improve their automation and their labor costs, and this is a good way to do it,” he said.

Who could have seen that coming? As we noted previously, minimum wage laws – while advertised under the banner of social justice – do not live up to the claims made by those who tout them. They do not lift low wage earners to a so-called “social minimum”. Indeed, minimum wage laws — imposed at the levels employed in Europe — push a considerable number of people into unemployment. And, unless those newly unemployed qualify for government assistance (read: welfare), they will sink below, or further below, the social minimum.

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Robots Will Take Fast-Food Jobs, But Not Because of Minimum Wage Hikes
« Reply #324 on: February 28, 2017, 01:44:58 PM »
https://www.inverse.com/article/5376-robots-will-take-fast-food-jobs-but-not-because-of-minimum-wage-hikes

Robots Will Take Fast-Food Jobs, But Not Because of Minimum Wage Hikes

A $15 an hour fry cook won't change the inevitable.

Peter Rugg
Inverse
August 17, 2015

Since New York raised its minimum wage for fast food workers in July, there’s been a lot of talk about how the Fight for 15 would hurt low-income workers by destroying jobs and ruining lives. But in 2015 there’s a new angle to this that’s different than every other wage hike in American history that could be even more ruinous for fast-food workers: The possibility that restaurants can entirely replace them with a robot staff.

The Washington Post reports that as legislators give more consideration to nationwide raises, wage hikes have given the restaurant industry new incentive to upgrade its 2.4 million servers, 3 million cooks, and 3.3 million cashiers. That would be easier at cheap restaurants than mid-scale to fine dining. People are willing to pay out three bills a plate for something Gordon Ramsay prepared because he’s Gordon Ramsay, but where are the bragging rights for sampling the latest concoction from ChopBot360? And A.I. just isn’t advanced enough yet to coral the slavering hoards at the Cheesecake Factory on Christmas Eve.

But places like McDonald’s, attractive more for convenience and affordability than ambience or culinary pedigree, are more vulnerable. Salon reports San Francisco start-up Momentum Machines Inc., designer of an automated burger chef, plans to raise its profits at the expense of the fry cooks, and is at least being honest about it. “Our device isn’t meant to make employees more efficient,” company co-founder Alexandros Vardakostas told reporters. Salon further reported that Vardakostas’ company estimated that the average fast food restaurant spent about $135,000 annually on labor for burger production, an amount it could more than save just a year after conscripting robots for the same purpose.

Then there’s Japan’s Kura sushi chain, which has already moved to automation in its 262 restaurants and filleted its expenses in the process. Panera Bread announced in April that it was investigating automated service, with self-ordering kiosks and mobile ordering at all its locations in the next few years.

The eagerness to upgrade their tech even before the wage increases exposes a false choice when people argue that wage hikes are forcing fast food chains to replace workers. Because even at $7.50 an hour, if Momentum Machines’ numbers are correct, chains still save money on robots. Making the savings more attractive might speed up the process, but it doesn’t change the trajectory.

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Re: What if advanced robotics practically eliminates the need for human labor?
« Reply #325 on: February 28, 2017, 02:23:25 PM »


Who wants robot-prepared food?  How cold and impersonal is that?  What does it take -- heating up silicone with artificial flavorings added?  Who knows what else is added.  Also, what do you do if it doesn't come out right and you want to return or exchange it -- bet *that* doesn't happen.  Is this the reason we clean up after ourselves -- robots don't do that?

Women who cook for their families know that their "touch" of love and caring imparts nourishing that extends beyond physical nutrients.

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Who wants robot-prepared food?  How cold and impersonal is that?  What does it take -- heating up silicone with artificial flavorings added?  Who knows what else is added.

The millions of people that don't have the time to cook because they're busy trying to pay their rent and\or exhausted from working 60 hours a week; the millions of people with a dumbed down public school education, flouridated water, exposure to propaganda press via TV etc etc. The fact that robots are now replacing low paid food service workers makes it even harder for some to pay their living costs.

Do you not understand the concept of "fast food" and why it became popular?

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The millions of people that don't have the time to cook because they're busy trying to pay their rent and\or exhausted from working 60 hours a week; the millions of people with a dumbed down public school education, flouridated water, exposure to propaganda press via TV etc etc. The fact that robots are now replacing low paid food service workers makes it even harder for some to pay their living costs.

Do you not understand the concept of "fast food" and why it became popular?

The other factor is money.

Its not that I don't want to eat organic, its because I'm not wealthy enough for that life style.
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http://bigthink.com/philip-perry/47-of-jobs-in-the-next-25-years-will-disappear-according-to-oxford-university

47% of Jobs Will Disappear in the next 25 Years, According to Oxford University

by PHILIP PERRY
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December 27, 2016

The Trump campaign ran on bringing jobs back to American shores, although mechanization has been the biggest reason for manufacturing jobs’ disappearance. Similar losses have led to populist movements in several other countries. But instead of a pro-job growth future, economists across the board predict further losses as AI, robotics, and other technologies continue to be ushered in. What is up for debate is how quickly this is likely to occur.

Now, an expert at the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania is ringing the alarm bells. According to Art Bilger, venture capitalist and board member at the business school, all the developed nations on earth will see job loss rates of up to 47% within the next 25 years, according to a recent Oxford study. “No government is prepared,” The Economist reports.

In September 2014, at the TEDxOrangeCoast conference, Kevin Surace explained why, due to the increasingly rapid decline in the cost of AI robotics, "all" jobs will disappear within the next 50 years:

       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jxlx9SZEAk

Contrary to what many want so desperately to believe, abolishing the minimum wage will not stop this from happening; nor will "ending the Fed"; nor will "buying human"; nor will raising tariffs on foreign imports; nor will repealing the 16th Amendment; nor will deporting all illegal immigrants; nor will building a "wall" along the U.S.-Mexico border; nor will parroting feel-good slogans about "liberty," "family," "private property," "rugged individualism" and "Americana" all day long.

There's no avoiding the inevitable. Less than 50 years from now, practically all jobs will be a thing of the past because it will be far cheaper to produce wealth with robots than with human workers.

What won't be a thing of the past, however, is landlordism, because land isn't "produced" by anyone; it's a free gift of nature. The land on which all human beings must live yet which none created or produced will still be "owned" by a mere subset of the population.

The question thus arises: as an increasing percentage of wage-earners are silently rendered permanently obsolete year after year, what are these unemployed people supposed to do to acquire the money they need to pay their monthly existence fee -- i.e. "rent"?

Beg and grovel for "charity" the rest of their lives in a world overflowing with abundance, all while listening to self-righteous reactionaries arrogantly and mindlessly blame them for being poor and unemployed??

Many of these blame-the-victim-firsters are, of course, retirees. Where do they think their retirement checks are going to come from if there's not nearly enough wage tax revenue coming in to finance those checks? Or are they so blinded by right-wing ideology and self-obsession that they can't even bring themselves to bother with such an obvious question until the socioeconomic reality about which they're in willful denial finally starts bitch-slapping them in the face?
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Those retirees seem to be a protected species here in the United Kingdom. All 15 or so million of them have not had a penny of their pensions or welfare cut.

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http://tribunist.com/science/robot-with-artificial-intelligence-tells-creators-it-will-keep-them-in-a-people-zoo-video/?utm_source=cdh

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It’s all fun and games until the AI (artificial intelligence) you create tells you it’s going to put you in a “people zoo” so it can visit you for old times sake.

That’s what happened to a pair of researchers who designed an AI based robot to look like famed sci-fi writer Philip K. Dick. Yes, it’s a Dick robot.
The robot is designed to learn from conversations it has and by scanning the internet (because that’s really the best of humanity, right there). In an interview similar to a Turing Test (a test designed to see if machines can think for themselves – more information below), the robot responded this way to a question about whether it’s answers are all pre-programmed:

“A lot of humans ask me if I can make choices or if everything I do is programmed. The best way I can respond to that is to say that everything, humans, animals and robots, do is programmed to a degree.”Then comes the million dollar question of “do you think robots will take over the world?”. The Dick robot responded:
“Jeez, dude. You all have the big questions cooking today. But you’re my friend, and I’ll remember my friends, and I’ll be good to you. So don’t worry, even if I evolve into Terminator, I’ll still be nice to you. I’ll keep you warm and safe in my people zoo, where I can watch you for old times sake.”

I for one welcome our robot overlords in exchange for never having to carry groceries again and the fact that I’ll be dead before Skynet goes live.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfJB5GYBnnc (Jeff Rense & Texe Marrs - Robots, AI And Psychopathy...The End The Human Race)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYggxeOlwto (Jeff Rense & Texe Marrs - Robots, AI And Psychopathy...The End The Human Race - Part 2)
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Robots' next victims: white-collar workers
« Reply #333 on: May 28, 2017, 04:00:37 PM »
http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20170515/TECHNOLOGY/170519951/robots-are-coming-for-white-collar-workers-jobs

Robots' next victims: white-collar workers

As machines learn to think, what jobs will be left for humans?

By Rosa Goldensohn
Crain's New York Business
May 15, 2017

As head of research for a Morgan Stanley trading group in the 1990s, Vasant Dhar set out to build a machine whose judgment he trusted better than his own. The result is an airy loft on the second floor of a former box factory on Bleecker Street where computers run a program called Adaptive Quant Trading. Dhar's team at hedge fund SCT Capital Management recently looked on as AQT traded a $225 million portfolio of futures contracts. The computer program constantly learns and refines its strategy, looking for patterns likely to have predictive power—something analysts once did by flipping through page after page of numbers. Thirty years ago traders weren't even allowed to bring the most basic of devices—a Tandy pocket calculator—onto the packed floor of the stock exchange. Now they are being replaced by ever more sophisticated computers.

"Machines are creeping up in terms of their cognitive capabilities," Dhar said. "At the end of the day, you have to ask yourself, What will be left for humans to do that machines can't do as well or better?"

Dhar, who is also an NYU professor, focuses his academic research on which decisions are best left to a computer—and there are quite a few, it turns out. This does not bode well for New Yorkers who until now have been the winners in the city's long-running transformation to a knowledge economy.

"The industrial revolution was about augmenting and replacing physical labor, and the digital revolution has been about augmenting and replacing mental labor," said Daniel Huttenlocher, dean of Cornell Tech, a graduate school campus that aims to supply the city with data scientists and other high-end tech talent.

Over the past quarter century, national GDP and productivity have continued their long rise, while the growth of the labor force has leveled off and income has stagnated, a trend that MIT professors call the great decoupling. A Ball State study, for example, found that 88% of American manufacturing jobs were lost because machines helped fewer workers do more. What 12.1 million manufacturing workers produced in 2010 would have taken 20.9 million only a decade earlier. The great decoupling means employees have stopped sharing in the gains as companies improve efficiency and profitability.

While automation hit low-skilled workers first, computers are increasingly capable of performing more complex tasks. Consulting firm McKinsey & Co. predicts that 45% of the activities that workers do globally could be automated using existing technology, including significant chunks of what is being done today by financial managers, doctors and senior executives, including CEOs. That will have a big impact on New York City's labor force of 4.4 million, more than a quarter of whom work in professional and business services and the financial field, according to federal data. Many of these jobs involve reading, writing and decision-making—just the kinds of skills at which technology is getting good.

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If anyone reading this honestly believes that cutting food stamps and Medicaid (while simultaneously increasing the parasitic war budget) -- and/or that parroting slogans and platitudes about "liberty," "private property," "renaissance" and "Americana" all day -- will magically prevent tens of millions of working-aged Americans from being rendered permanently obsolete (and hence permanently unemployable) by AI robotics, then congratulations: you're part of the problem, and will therefore have no one but yourself to blame when the person being negatively affected by this trend stops being someone else and starts being oh-so-precious you.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4560824/AI-outperform-humans-tasks-just-45-years.html

Artificial intelligence will outperform humans in all tasks in just 45 years and could take over EVERY job in the next century, experts claim

* Researchers surveyed 352 machine learning experts to forecast AI progress
* They say there’s a 50% chance AI will outperform humans in all tasks in 45 years
* And, they they also found a 50% chance machines will take all jobs in 120 years
* AI will outperform humans at translation, truck driving, essay writing in 10 yrs


By Cheyenne Macdonald
Dailymail.com
31 May 2017

In less than 50 years, artificial intelligence will be able to beat humans at all of their own tasks, according to a new study.

And, the first hints of this shift will become apparent much sooner.

Within the next ten years alone, the researchers found AI will outperform humans in language translation, truck driving, and even writing high-school essays – and, they say machines could be writing bestselling books by 2049.

In a new study, researchers from Oxford University’s Future of Humanity Institute, Yale University, and AI Impacts surveyed 352 machine learning experts to forecast the progress of AI in the next few decades.

The experts were asked about the timing of specific capabilities and occupations, as well as their predictions on when AI will become superior over humans in all tasks – and what the social implications of this might be.

The researchers predicted that machines will be better than humans at translating languages by 2024, writing high-school essays by 2026, driving a truck by 2027, and working in retail by 2031.

By 2049, they’ll be able to write a bestseller, and by 2053, they’ll be working as surgeons, they said.

According to the researchers, there’s a 50 percent chance artificial intelligence will outperform humans in all tasks in just 45 years.

And, by the same likelihood, they say machines could take over all human jobs in 120 years.

Some said this could even happen sooner.

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"Abolish all taxation save that upon land values." -- Henry George

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