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DARPA shows off a robot that knows how to climb stairs
« Reply #40 on: April 15, 2012, 10:35:35 pm »
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/15/darpa-shows-off-a-robot-that-knows-how-to-climb-stairs/

The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency has been creating a series of increasingly agile robots, such as the robotic “cheetah” it featured last month. The latest offering may not be as light on its cybernetic feet, but the new stair-climbing robot is remarkable in its own right for its uncanny imation of a human trudging up a flight of stairs.

As described by Geekosystem, “The video was released in conjunction with DARPA’s robotics challenge, which has a $2 million prize to the team that can complete a series of difficult tasks. The goal, according to DARPA, is to ‘push the state-of-the-art in robotics beyond today’s capabilities in support of the DoD’s disaster recovery mission.’”

The stair-climbing robot is the product of Boston Dynamics, one of the competitors in next October’s challenge, and is being featured by DARPA as an example of the capacities that extries will be expected to demonstrate.

The second half of the video shows an earlier Boston Dynamics robot walking along a treadmill and doing pushups. The company apparently intends to combine both sets of capabilities in the robot that it enters in the competition.

This video was uploaded to YouTube by DARPAtv, April 11, 2012
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Re: What if advanced robotics eliminates the need for human labor?
« Reply #41 on: April 17, 2012, 03:02:22 pm »
If artificial intelligence-driven robotics advances to the point of eliminating the need for human labor altogether, what should the countless millions of landless, unemployed workers do to survive?

In response to the above poll question, one person chose the first option...

    Let the "market" decide whether their lives are worth preserving, and hence whether they even deserve to survive.

...another person chose the third option...

    Spend the rest of their lives begging and groveling for "charity."

...and still another chose the fourth:

    DIE! After all, if they're landless and permanently unemployed, then they obviously can't afford to pay "rent," and are hence perpetual trespassers!

Who are those three individuals?

It's not my intention to give any of you three a hard time; I'm merely curious, because if my hunch is correct, all three of you are Austrian Schoolers.
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Re: What if advanced robotics eliminates the need for human labor?
« Reply #42 on: April 17, 2012, 03:31:12 pm »
Robots will never have the ability to think like humans do.

A computer would need to be 100 miles high and the size of Texas to replicate ALL the functions of the human brain.

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Re: What if advanced robotics eliminates the need for human labor?
« Reply #43 on: April 17, 2012, 03:47:47 pm »
Robots will never have the ability to think like humans do.

A computer would need to be 100 miles high and the size of Texas to replicate ALL the functions of the human brain.

It doesn't take "all" functions of the human brain (or anything close to it) to perform the physical tasks -- or indeed many of the mental tasks -- of the average laborer.

If that were not the case, then companies like Foxconn would not now be in the process of "hiring" robots for the purpose of "replacing" a large percentage of their human workers.
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Global Reality: Surplus Of Labor, Scarcity Of Paid Work
« Reply #44 on: May 24, 2012, 12:50:28 pm »
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-05-07/markets/31607783_1_global-economy-older-workers-shortage-of-young-workers

Global Reality: Surplus Of Labor, Scarcity Of Paid Work

by Charles Hugh Smith
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May 07, 2012

The industries that are increasing productivity do so by eliminating entire industries and entire job categories.

The global economy is facing a structural surplus of labor and a scarcity of paid work. Here is the critical backdrop for the global recession that is unfolding and the stated desire of central banks and states everywhere for "economic growth": most of the so-called "growth" since the 2008 global financial meltdown was funded by sovereign debt and "free money" spun by central banks, not organic growth based on rising earned incomes.  Take away the speculation dependent on "free money" and the global stimulus dependent on massive quantities of fresh debt, and how much "growth" would be left?

What policy makers and pundits dare not admit is that the global economy is entering the "end of paid work" foreseen by Jeremy Rifkin. I have covered this topic in depth many times, starting with End of Work, End of Affluence (December 5, 2008).

The industries that are rapidly increasing productivity and profits are doing so by eliminating jobs and the need for labor. The Web is chewing up industry after industry, wiping out entire sectors that once supported hundreds of thousands of jobs while creating a few thousand new jobs that require high-level skills and mobility.  Robotics are replacing factory labor throughout the world--yes, even in "low-wage" China. When I first toured a variety of factories in China in 2000, many were little more than simple warehouses filled with long tables where workers assembled and packaged cheap light fixtures, etc. by hand. Others had robotic machines stamping out circuit boards that were then hand-assembled into monitors, etc.  The defect rate was high in these settings. Machines are increasingly replacing hand labor in China. Much is made of "labor shortages" in certain southern cities, but what that actually means is a shortage of young workers (overwhelmingly preferred over older workers by manufacturers) willing to work for low wages.  Machines don't go on strike, their wages don't rise by government mandate, they don't call in sick, and they don't need supervision. In effect, workers are replaced by capital invested in robotics and software.

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Re: What if advanced robotics eliminates the need for human labor?
« Reply #45 on: May 24, 2012, 01:16:18 pm »
Robots are eventually going to break down and power out.

The will be just as subjected to the laws of physics as everything else on this planet.

If a bullet hits these drones fuel tanks, they will go down.

If the Globalists use terminators and hunter-killers they will have vulnerabilities and like a vehicle when exposed to the elements will have to deal with corrosion, moisture, the sun, and other weather.

They may have a robotic army but deploying them and maintaining them will be the real challenge.

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Re: What if advanced robotics eliminates the need for human labor?
« Reply #46 on: May 24, 2012, 01:34:47 pm »
Robots will never have the ability to think like humans do.

A computer would need to be 100 miles high and the size of Texas to replicate ALL the functions of the human brain.

imho
They use artificial intelligence wherein just the brain of a moth and its synapses mega enhances computer function.  They use dogs now, monkeys - and probably clone or rip off human brains for this...

So, in reality I don't believe it would take a computer that big.  They can replicate enough of the human brain functions and resulting reactions where it seems that it might as well be all the functions.

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Transhumanism: The UN’s Spiritual Revolution Against Man!
« Reply #47 on: June 12, 2012, 05:16:01 pm »
http://www.prisonplanet.com/transhumanism-the-uns-spiritual-revolution-against-man.html

Transhumanism: The UN’s Spiritual Revolution Against Man!

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June 12, 2012

The Global Future 2045 International Congress, led by iconic futurist Ray Kurzweil and held in Moscow a few months back, lays out a stark vision of the future for neo-humanity where AI, cybernetics, nanotech and other emerging technologies replace mankind– an openly transhumanist vision now being steered by the elite, but which emerged out of the Darwinian-circles directed by the likes of T.H. Huxley and his grandchildren Julian, who coined the term Transhumanism, and Aldous Huxley, author of Brave New World. Resistance to this rapid shift in society, the 2045 conference argues, is nothing short of a return to the middle ages.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7imnAw3J_0I (Transhumanism: The UN's Spiritual Revolution Against Man!)
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Re: What if advanced robotics eliminates the need for human labor?
« Reply #48 on: June 12, 2012, 06:08:21 pm »
Robots are eventually going to break down and power out.

The will be just as subjected to the laws of physics as everything else on this planet.

If a bullet hits these drones fuel tanks, they will go down.

If the Globalists use terminators and hunter-killers they will have vulnerabilities and like a vehicle when exposed to the elements will have to deal with corrosion, moisture, the sun, and other weather.

They may have a robotic army but deploying them and maintaining them will be the real challenge.
Not true.  They will be able to repair themselves, and maintain themselves with advanced nanotech.

Self-Healing Anticorrosion Coatings Based on pH-Sensitive Polyelectrolyte/Inhibitor Sandwichlike Nanostructures
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/adma.200800705/abstract;jsessionid=3B6ED592BB017B54BEEF3031B230AD99.d01t04

http://www.nanowerk.com/spotlight/spotid=6555.php

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2008/October/Pages/Self-Healing%20Armor%20Could%20Be%20In%20Store%20for%20Military%20Vehicles.aspx

Self-Healing Armor Could Be In Store for Military Vehicles
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The film “Terminator 2: Judgment Day” depicted a villain whose gaping battle wounds could seal themselves shut just seconds after being inflicted. Now, in a case of science imitating science fiction, self-healing armor may be what is in store for military vehicles.

Pradeep Rohatgi, director of the center for composites at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, has been developing techniques that could soon be used to make self-healing armor for military vehicles.

This is accomplished by mixing microscopic “balloons” into the metals that are used to make armor while those metals are still in liquid form. The microscopic balloons are filled with materials that melt at low temperatures. As a result, cracks in vehicle armor could close up in a matter of minutes or even seconds, Rohatgi said. The balloons would break after a hit from a rocket, RPG or other battlefield projectile, causing the material inside to melt and seep out into the crack. Once it solidified it would close up any cracks caused by the strike.

Once a projectile fractures the balloons, the material inside can melt  with enough heat. The heat generated by the hit could theoretically be enough to do the job.

Billions of micro balloons would either be distributed throughout the armor or placed in sections that are more vulnerable to damage, Rohatgi said.

The amount of heat produced depends on the speed of impact, as well as the material of both the armor and the projectile, Rohatgi said.

The possibility of installing these billions of balloons into armor raises questions of cost. But it would not be unaffordable, Rohatgi said.

For one thing, putting micro balloons into the armor means less aluminum or magnesium would be used. This would make the metal lighter, which would ultimately save money, Rohatgi said.
“So on one hand the cost of the micro balloons will [initially] increase the cost, but then the reduced amount of aluminum and magnesium will reduce the cost,” Rohatgi said.

Replacing damaged armor is expensive, he added. And micro balloons can be made from something known as fly ash, which is a cheap waste byproduct of coal.

At this point, Rohatgi’s group is making centimeter-sized samples from aluminum and magnesium, both of which are armor materials. It is also looking into ways to make self-healing ceramic armor.

The next step will be to make and test large samples. “I believe we are looking at a time horizon of three to five years [until] it can be deployed.” But this depends on whether industry is ready to partner with Rohatgi’s group and how quickly companies are willing to make prototypes, he said. 
Requests for funds from the National Science Foundation have been turned down, although Rohatgi’s group is still in talks with the NSF, he said.

Tom Wagner, a senior engineer at the U.S. Army Tank Automotive Research, Development and Engineering Center and manager of Rohatgi’s project, said that the Army is interested in the work and believes it holds promise. In 2008, Congress approved $1.3 million for lightweight materials, including self-healing metals, Wagner said .

“The end product would be very useful to the Army, if they succeed,” Wagner said.

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Re: What if advanced robotics eliminates the need for human labor?
« Reply #49 on: June 12, 2012, 06:24:03 pm »
http://www.technologyreview.com/news/415290/capsules-for-self-healing-circuits/

Capsules for Self-Healing Circuits

Nanotube-filled capsules could restore conductivity to damaged electronics.

Friday, September 11, 2009
By Katherine Bourza


Dropping a cell phone or laptop can, of course, cause irreparable damage. Now researchers are developing a material that could let a circuit self-repair small but critical damage caused by such an impact.

Capsules, filled with conductive nanotubes, that rip open under mechanical stress could be placed on circuit boards in failure-prone areas. When stress causes a crack in the circuit, some of the capsules would also rupture and release nanotubes to bridge the break. The researchers, from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, are also working on capsule additives designed to heal failures in lithium-ion battery electrodes, to prevent the short-circuiting that can sometimes cause a fire.

Previous research into self-healing materials has mostly focused on restoring mechanical properties after a damaging event. The University of Illinois researchers have, for example, already made self-healing coatings that can repair scratches and prevent corrosion on boats or car chassis. Now the group has brought the same techniques to the problem of restoring electronic properties.

"We want to address common failures in cell phones and other portable electronics," says Paul Braun, a professor of materials science and engineering at the University of Illinois who leads the research project with Jeffrey Moore, a professor of chemistry, materials science, and engineering. These failures may become an even bigger problem as flexible electronics, which are subject to much more mechanical stress, become widespread, says Braun.

To make their self-healing material, Braun and Moore encapsulated carbon nanotubes inside polymer spheres about 200 micrometers in diameter each. They selected carbon nanotubes because of their high electrical conductivity and because their elongated shape does a good job of lining up to bridge gaps.

In proof-of-concept studies, the researchers ripped the capsules apart and placed the resulting mixture between the tips of two electrical probes. The released nanotubes formed a bridge that completed the circuit between the two probes. Though the polymer itself isn't conductive, this didn't impede the flow of current -- there was a net positive increase in conductivity after the rupture. Details of the experiments were published last week in Journal of Materials Chemistry.

"The restoration of electronic properties is fantastic," says Christopher Bielawski, associate professor of chemistry at the University of Texas in Austin, who is also developing self-healing electronic materials.

"Many times when a device fails, it's because a circuit or capacitor burns out," says Bielawski. "This is critical in situations where you can't repair it -- in satellites or submarines." To address the problem, engineers currently build redundancy into a system. Self-healing circuits could make devices for remote applications more lightweight, more efficient, and cheaper, says Bielawski.

Mark Hersam, professor of materials science and engineering at Northwestern University in Evanston, IL, also sees potential for the materials to be used in batteries. "Lithium-ion battery failures can be catastrophic," leading to explosive fires that happen when corrosion causes electrical short circuits, says Hersam. Last month, Hersam began a Department of Energy-sponsored collaboration with the University of Illinois researchers to develop self-healing materials for batteries. It should also be possible to select capsule polymers that respond to chemical changes such as corrosion, he says.

"Of course, you don't want to weigh down a battery with extra stuff," says Braun. The same holds for circuit boards. But Braun says it isn't necessary to use large quantities of the capsules: "You could add the capsules in small quantities because these failures tend to occur at the same point in the structure every time."

The researchers are currently developing ways to precisely position the spheres. Braun says the group has had a paper accepted describing the use of a technique called electrospraying to place the nanotube bubbles. The group is also working on more realistic tests for the capsules, including fracture studies in conductive materials.

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Re: What if advanced robotics eliminates the need for human labor?
« Reply #50 on: June 13, 2012, 12:24:50 am »
Same thing that is already happening now. Surplus labor is already "happening" with the race to the bottom outsourcing transnationalisum. The bottom being no more people. People continue to be distracted or lied to with "cut your own thought" philosophies. The Robots will be needed after the "austerity" has already starved us to death, and it will still be "our" fault because we are too lazy to compete(with a machine). The drone will be the first to "out source" the military by being an un-sleeping solder that fights the "terrorist". We have a whole generation that lives with their parents and are surrounded by "fantasy land" where they do not have to think about anything but trivia. So pretty much the same thing that is happening. Computers already rule about 90% of the stock market.
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Re: What if advanced robotics eliminates the need for human labor?
« Reply #52 on: June 16, 2012, 11:18:54 pm »
"Transhumanism: The final frontier, or the final prison? Does it represent humanity reaching its greatest potential, or facing its greatest threat? Over the last century, the people of Earth have continuously become more disconnected both from each other and from their surroundings. And by means of a government-controlled education system, the overall IQ of humanity has degraded significantly. And this has been a quite deliberate action. But in our eagerness to embrace technology, one of the most significant problems we are facing is that if one steps back and looks a little deeper at the system we are living within, it becomes glaringly apparent that what this sytem is in the process of doing is seeing to the removal of virtually everything that makes humanity human, to then usher in a new era -- the age of the transhuman....

"Transhumanism is the high-tech dream of both the ruling elite and of numerous modern scientists, many of whom are so locked into a left-brain mentality that they see the merging of man with machine as nothing short of inevitable. And due to the lack of any real connection to reality that many people feel in the 21st century, in modern times there are a large number of average people who are actually eager to embrace the idea....

"As attractive as the concept of simply linking your consciousness up to a mainframe and going online may be to some, human beings are complex and emotional creatures; it's what makes them human. And so the question must be asked: Is this evolution? Is this what life is really about? Is this truly where humanity is destined to go? What is a human being? What makes it possible for a biological organism that is around 85% water to function as a sentient life form? Why do human beings experience reality in the matter that they do? And what effect may it have upon human beings if they were to 'enhance' themselves with technology? ....

"Everything that is experienced by a human being is interpreted by the brain as an electromagnetic impulse. Whether it be sight or sound or touch or taste or smell, all perception of these senses are merely electromagnetic signals interpreted by the brain. It can therefore be clearly seen the human body is in fact an extremely advanced biological computer. And so the real question then becomes: What are the real implications and the real dangers of such a digitally controlled world? And, ultimately, why -- why would humanity ever seek to blend something as complex, as highly advanced and as miraculous as the human body computer with something as inorganic and limiting as a machine that has the very real potential of being controlled by an outside source? ....

"What we have in modern times is a species with only 3% of active DNA, indoctrinated into using only one side of their brain; that exists in a debt-based society in which every single person within it is required to pay to live in what is essentially temporary accomodation, as our modern consumerist based societies build very little that is actually designed to last. Whether they are truly aware of it or not, modern human beings live their entire adult lives in a largely unnoticed system of slavery. And this can easily be seen when one truly absorbs the implications of paper being more important than people. And now imagine this taken one step further, and having each person locked into a digital world in which it would be an easy task to permanently lock human consciousness into a completely false reality, enslaved into a state of permanent debt forever. And if you question your captors or refuse to work -- if you decide you would be better off free -- then what then? (Screenshot of: 'C:\Users/Max>format/Max y/n')."

-- Max Igan, Trance-Formation


"Alright, let's get into the big report....'United Nations Envisions Transhumanist Future Where Man is Obsolete,' and that's Aaron Dykes' article at infowars.com, 'The Global Future 2045 International Congress, led by iconic futurist Ray Kurzweil,' who says he wants world government, 'and held in Moscow a few months back, lays out a stark vision of the future for neo-humanity where AI, cybernetics, nanotech and other emerging technologies replace mankind -- an openly transhumanist vision now being steered by the elite, but which emerged out of the Darwinian-circles directed by the likes of T.H. Huxley and his grandchildren Julian, who coined the term Transhumanism, and Aldous Huxley, author of Brave New World. Resistance to this rapid shift in society, the 2045 conference argues, is nothing short of a return to the middle ages.' Now let's stop there.

"They frame the whole thing as if it's a foregone conclusion they're offering you this heaven-like Valhalla, that is a foregone conclusion that your brain will be transplanted into a machine, and copies of it will be distributed out and death will be conquered and all of this is going to be wonderful -- led by Ray Kurzweil, who says he's going to reanimate his father with the technology because he has a bunch of his father's belongings (ain't gonna happen, pal), and that he's going to live forever and eat something like 200 pills a day (vitamins)....The point is that Kurzweil -- and he's got all these elitists and Hollywood stars bought into it on his program (William Shatner, the list goes on and on) -- and they go to this conference, and it's all: global government, accept nanotech, accept wirehead, accept interfaces, everything's fine. They don't tell you this is all Department of Defense -- 1950s, 60s, 70s, 80s -- DARPA. They don't know it's 1855, Sir Francis Galton envisioning biometric computer systems, overlays -- I mean it was almost like he was channeling an off-world engineer from Promethius. I mean these people -- they are smart -- come up with all this, the entire science: [the] first computers, Hollerith machines, race-mixing study, integrated systems -- all of our modern technology is created by eugenists, or farmed out by scientists owned by eugenist robber barons. The entire society, the whole technotronic plan: robotics, future not needing us, phasing out humanity -- all of this, a hellish future -- while they've been poisoning us and dumbing us down so we can't resist their takeover, and then saying we deserve it because all we want to do is watch 'Dancing With the Stars' and Tebow and all the rest of it....

"These transhumanists all say they're going to block our general development and only give us tech that controls us....The space program was a front for the secret program. Again, that's what all this is: it's about controlling technological development and then implying that they're basically the gods (and, again, the UN sponsored this) and that they have all the answers and that you should just give in to having your humanity ended and merge with machines that they make, they make -- remember that -- with their backdoors....But again, the transhumanists: 'They're going to fix all the problems; they've got the implantable tech, it'll fix all these crises' -- that DARPA and the globalists created."



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Re: What if advanced robotics eliminates the need for human labor?
« Reply #53 on: June 17, 2012, 07:08:48 am »


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Re: What if advanced robotics eliminates the need for human labor?
« Reply #54 on: June 17, 2012, 12:46:05 pm »
The transhumanist agenda in a nutshell?



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Re: What if advanced robotics eliminates the need for human labor?
« Reply #55 on: June 17, 2012, 03:13:53 pm »
Another good thread :  

1925 Fritz Molech Metropolis

Scene from Fritz Lang's 1925 film, "Metropolis", portrays a city which is sustained by massive underground machine-works and colonies of  subjugated workers.  


Of course in Metropolis they still had the human workers slaving to Molech, but that was just so that they could be slowly killed while they got something ("work") out of them. They didn't really need them. The work was there to keep the slaves busy and not revolting against the(ir) "masters".  



...we see the tranformation from human to superhuman [god] as the "wired" new creation sits beneath the pentagram...
The occult is all about "transformation" into a "godlike being" [Genesis 3:5]



... but the minds that had conceived the Tower of Babel could not build it.
The task was too great. So they hired hands for wages.
(So Babel has been built - no need for the hands )

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Fidelity Investments Funding ‘Synthetic Biology’ Takeover of Life
« Reply #58 on: June 19, 2012, 08:54:37 pm »
http://www.infowars.com/fidelity-investments-funding-synthetic-biology-takeover-of-life/

Fidelity Investments Funding ‘Synthetic Biology’ Takeover of Life

Lab-created artificial species will outnumber natural life 50-to-1, financial firm claims

Aaron Dykes
Infowars.com
June 19, 2012

RELATED: Genetic Genocide: Humanity’s Greatest Threat



Biotech and other emerging technology is jeopardizing the future of the human race.

In its latest effort, Fidelity Investments is aiming to drive billions of dollars of global finance capital into the emerging field of “synthetic biology”, using promotions and social media (as in its “Follow the Green Line” ad campaign) to raise interest. Fidelity is also trying to take on water shortage issues, “personalized medicine” and has partnered with the TED Talks (along with dozens of other firms) that have become a self-proclaimed authority on where technology is going. For Fidelity, it is part of an effort to bolster the firm’s image as responsible and innovative. But is it?

Just as big money has backed carbon credit schemes and green technology, Fidelity is making a push to back ‘synthetic biology,’ which it says could be the “defining technology of the 21st Century,” though admittedly it is still in the ‘experimental phase’. In essence, synthetic biology is just another buzz term for what has already become the very controversial and dangerous field of biotech & genetic engineering.

For example, scientists have shown that genetically-engineered salmon– hailed below in Fidelity’s promo video as a milestone in innovation– could wipe out the less aggressive natural salmon population within 40 generations. Fidelity also touts the use of GM bacteria to produce new malaria vaccines– part of the larger emerging field of “pharming,” or growing pharmaceutical products inside genetically-modified crops, animals, and microorganisms. For all its potential promises, GMOs have instead been linked with organ failure, infertility and reproductive problems, as well as widespread environmental impact.

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Ignoring all these known risks, Fidelity’s ThinkBig webpage brags about their part in the attempt to redesign life with man-made architecture, claiming that labs could soon create 50 times the number of naturally-occurring species known to exist on the planet. And clearly that means big cash. GMO foods have been the first bounty of this technology, but the other applications are widespread, including energy, computing, organ replacements and much more. Fidelity boasts in part:

    Synthetic Biologists collaborate around the world, using over 5,000 DNA sequences, called BioBricks™, now available online in an open-source database. Crowdsourcing the work means experiments that used to take years now take weeks, constantly redefining what’s possible.

Encouraging a race to create artificial life forms means less time in thinking out the potential consequences. The risks could well include endangering the survival of natural life (including humans), and would likely also prove costly for populations already vulnerable to market schemes.

Cross-species, xenotransplantation, human-animal hybrids and chimera creations all pose threats to DNA and organ receptors in ways scientists are only beginning to fully understand, while mixed genes open up new dangers of disease vulnerability between species previously not affected. This Brave New World of engineered creations, clearly, could pose instead a genetic armageddon. Alex Jones has repeatedly warned about the Trojan Horse bioweapon capabilities of much of this technology, as well as other widely used chemical compounds found throughout our food, water and environment.

Genetic Armageddon: Humanity’s Greatest Threat

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Does this amount to “hacking biology” or what Alex Jones has often termed genetic vandalism? Thomas H. Murray, President of The Hastings Center gives a lecture discussing the ethical issues of creating new forms of life under the synthetic biology umbrella. This has been going on since the first recombinant DNA research began in the early 1970s, he indicates at some 13:40 minutes into the presentation. At least Murray considers the consequences, but in reality, the research field is moving forward with little concern for caution.

Apart from the risks to life itself, what finance capitol is funding is a new era of lucrative patent dominance in the realm of biology that will likely only embolden the existing oligopolies in Big Agra and Big Pharma, all while making the costs of staying alive greater to bear. “Intellectual property” issues are already plaguing traditional farmers in many parts of the world, as they clash with Monsanto’s seed monopoly. But this will also manifest in the future markets of human replacement organs grown in pigs, gene therapy, IVF and other assisted fertility, as well as many other areas. Already, claims of copyrighted human genes is occurring and impacting health care costs. Spider goats and human breast milk produced by cows are just some of the most widely publicized forms of this emerging technology front where natural sources are displaced by patented, costly and potentially dangerous GMO alternatives.

Meanwhile, the Transhumanist movement, today lead by iconic futurist Ray Kurzweil, is openly trying to re-engineer and replace the human species by merging individuals with technology– A.I., avatars, nano-tech, cloud-computing based memory banks and much more. Alex Jones’ Endgame breaks down much of this agenda.

The same science cultists who previously thought 96% of human DNA was “junk” are now playing god, assuming they can wield new life forms for human betterment. From it, the potential for financial & environmental harm, as well as predatory occupation from monopoly/oligopoly sectors is immense.
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2045 ‘Immortality’ Transhumanism Program Threatens Humanity’s Integrity

Andre Evans
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Aug 2, 2012

With the overt disclosure of the 2045 program, a scientific advancement process intended to ultimately lead to ‘immortality’ via an artificial body and mind, a startlingly clear picture of what was once thought of as a science fiction fantasy is forming into reality in a profound way.

The 2045 strategic social initiative is an explicit display of a plan for what is touted as human immortality — first available to the wealthy elite of the world. Also called the avatar project, this effort puts a face to the underlying attempts of transhumanists to use genetics, robotics, artificial intelligence and nanotechnology to create a technologically advanced grade of “humans” with abilities and lifespan far beyond that of the average man.

Trans-humanism (or H+), is a growing movement that asserts claims and ambitions that ultimately seek to debase the position of natural man, and ultimately replace him with a wholly superior “H+” counterpart. A view largely held by many secular scientists, these individuals also will be instrumental in bringing forth what they deem as in an inevitable progression in the evolution of humankind.

The 2045 project essentially aims to create a holographic ‘avatar’ as well as artificial bodies that a human can have his consciousness transferred to when his mortal body fails. Should this technology work, then theoretically this would mean that a person can live forever and ‘choose’ their time to die.

Although it looks appealing in theory, there are serious implications and issues with this altogether.

Being advocates of natural health and believing the human body has its own intricate design, an attempt to become a synthetic avatar would potentially erase all of the aspects of humanity that define our character and being.

This technology at its fruition would also attempt to delve into realms of reality no scientist has ever been able to grasp within a natural, human viewpoint of comprehension. Theoretical physicists are beginning to admit that our universe is a shadow of a larger reality, and the natural man can scarcely understand it with his own devices. Like it or not, this universe is far more complex than what we have observed.

Despite this, there are parameters in place that define the experience of a human being, including three dimensions, senses, emotions, free will, conscience, morality, accountability and ultimately death.

An attempt to abdicate all of these aspects of humanity, regardless of any of the assumed benefits is something so mind boggling and even hubris filled that it lends itself to a science fiction script, and yet there are people attempting to make this a reality.

This particular project is being pushed as a nonprofit, and asking for the financial aid of many high profile elites, giving them premium access to the technology at its fruition. Giving supposed immortality to these malevolent figures to continue their rule throughout all of ‘eternity’ is literally the playbook out of an evil mastermind’s hand.

Whether or not this technology (and others like it) succeeds, its concept and implications have been a longstanding threat to humanity, and would replace it with something that may be too absurd, destructive, and even hellish to consider a reality.

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Re: What if advanced robotics eliminates the need for human labor?
« Reply #60 on: August 02, 2012, 12:36:38 pm »
I still can't fathom the transferring of the mind from the brain to an artificial one. If only copying the mind(theoretically) Then you would just create another you, but original you would still be you and would eventually die. This makes my brain hurt. I could understand still being you by transplanting the brain to a brain case but at some point you would lose yourself with all the replacements because it is more then the sum of all the pieces(some would call it the soul).
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Neo-Humanity: Transhumanism Will Merge Man With Machine
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Neo-Humanity: Transhumanism Will Merge Man With Machine

Susanne Posel
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August 11, 2012

Science and religion meet at the intersection of a $5 million grant gifted to UC Riverside in Pennsylvania by the John Templeton Foundation for further research into an afterlife and immortality.

John Martin Fischer, philosophy professor from UC Riverside, will host conferences and oversee post-doctoral students running a website that centers around immortality; along with international consensus where psychologists and neuroscientists from across the globe will convene.

The globalist Elite are obsessed with the merging man and machine, transhumanism and immortality. Basing advancements on scientific research, the 2045 Program will create “a new vision of human development that meets global challenges humanity faces today, realization of the possibility of a radical extension of human life by means of cybernetic technology, as well as the formation of a new culture associated with these technologies.”

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01hbkh4hXEk

Headed by Dimitry Itskov, the Avatar Project, an off-shoot of 2045, will house human brains in disembodied vehicles. They will initially be transplanted into robots, then humans by 2045 with the advancement of reverse-engineering; an effective “downloading” of human consciousness onto a computer chip.

DARPA is extremely interested in Avatar for the allocation of bi-pedal robots and essential super-soldiers and have devoted $7 million of its $2.8 billion 2012 budget to developing “interfaces and algorithms to enable a soldier to effectively partner with a semi-autonomous bi-pedal machine and allow it to act as the soldier’s surrogate.”

These human-controlled robots will be strong enough to “clear a room” and “facilitate sentry control and combat causality recovery.” Yet these “terminators” would easily be the most effective weapon against civil unrest or radical revolutionaries that did not subscribe to the globalist agenda.

The globalists at the 2045 Program assert that humanity “is in need of a new evolutionary strategy” consisting of a balance between the complexity of technological advances and the acceleration of informational processes to expand the “limited, primitive human” into a “highly self-organized” and technologically “higher intelligence”.

Technology can organize society and integrate unification of a super collective consciousness – a superbeing.

By doing away with individuality, the conclusion is the elimination of:

*  Lack of consumer provisions
*  Aging, illness and death
*  Crime and conflicts
*  Natural disasters and catastrophes

Superpeople are the epitome of communitarianism and collectivism as the new globalist vision of society marches toward immortal superpeople.

Because communitarianism is the ideology of the importance of community over the individual, the creation of a communalist society is the emphatic over-reaching value that if it does not provide for the whole, it is not worth pursuit.

The concept of the neo-human and neo-humanity is the replacement for a post-industrial capitalist and consumer-based society where a new form of civilization will emerge.

At the Global Future 2045 International Conference in 2013, scientists from all corners of the globe along with experts in nanotechnology, biotechnology, transbiology and other sciences will suggest a collaborative evolution of humanity into an transcendent era where the UN’s agenda of population transformation will be implemented.

A new model for society that adheres to the globalist ideologies of merging controllable humans with machines to facilitate a new race of human being that is led by artificial intelligence plunged into the global AI computer system and functions simply to be an autonomous workforce for the global Elite.

The goal of transhumanism is to replace all existing laws with the purpose of destroying the essence of humanity for the sake of control. Hybrid humans with robotic implants are expected to be released into the general public by 2014.

Humanity+, “an international nonprofit membership organization which advocates the ethical use of technology to expand human capacities”.

In their Transhumanist Declaration they advocate old and new ideals of globalist transhumanism by promoting:

*  Using technology to “broaden human potential” by overcoming aging and “cognitive shortcomings”
*  Provide forums where globalist scientist and researchers can “deliberate how [to enhance humanity through science] to expedite beneficial applications”
*  Facilitate “social order, improve human foresight and wisdom” through genetic enhancement
*  Influence policymakers to include the transhumanist “responsible and moral vision”

The Transhumanist Agenda uses eugenics, reproductive controls, sterilization campaigns, genetic engineering, RFID chips and rewiring of the brain through pharmaceuticals to achieve their goals. Their quest for immortality with the merging of human and machine is just one part in their convoluted scheme to retain their global dominance over our society.

For now, the general public is guinea pigs to be used to prefect their experiments so that by 2050, they will have full implemented their control grid and there will be no one to dissent.
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Pentagon Developing Autonomous Humanoid Robots
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Pentagon Developing Autonomous Humanoid Robots To “Perform Evacuation Operations”

DARPA enlists makers of “BigDog” to construct machines that can think for themselves

Steve Watson
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Aug 16, 2012

The Department of Defense has awarded a lucrative contract to an engineering and robotics design company to develop and build humanoid robots that can act intelligently without supervision.



Boston Dynamics Inc. has been contracted by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), the agency responsible for the development of new technologies for use by the military, in a deal worth $10.9 million.

The DoD announced Tuesday that “The robotic platforms will be humanoid, consisting of two legs, a torso, two arms with hands, a sensor head and on board computing.”

DARPA’s website says that the robots will help “conduct humanitarian, disaster relief and related operations.”

“The plan identifies requirements to extend aid to victims of natural or man-made disasters and conduct evacuation operations.” reads the brief, first released in April as part of DARPA’s ‘Robotics Challenge’.

The robots will operate with “supervised autonomy”, according to DARPA, and will be able to act intelligently by themselves, making their own decisions if and when direct supervision is not possible.

The Pentagon also envisions that the robots will be able to use basic and diverse “tools”.

“The primary technical goal of the DRC is to develop ground robots capable of executing complex tasks in dangerous, degraded, human-engineered environments. Competitors in the DRC are expected to focus on robots that can use standard tools and equipment commonly available in human environments, ranging from hand tools to vehicles, with an emphasis on adaptability to tools with diverse specifications.” reads the original brief.

The robots are set to be completed by Aug. 9, 2014, according to the contract.

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Re: What if advanced robotics eliminates the need for human labor?
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Half man, half machine: Scientists engineer first ‘cyborg’ tissue
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Half man, half machine: Scientists engineer first ‘cyborg’ tissue – which uses living human cells and organic polymers

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August 30th, 2012

It like it’s something out of a science-fiction movie – genius scientists engineer a synthetic skin that’s part living, part electronics.

But scientists at Harvard University have done just that, creating meshes of electronic and biological tissue.

The end result is cyborg tissue, which is created from electrodes and wires combined on a Nano-scale.

The results, published in Nature Materials, detail how scientists in the lab embedded electrical nanowires into the lab-grown flesh.

Dr Charles Lieber, who is a chemistry professor at Harvard and the leader of the research team, told the Harvard Gazette: ‘With this technology, for the first time, we can work at the same scale as the unit of biological system without interrupting it.

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New DARPA Robot Can Autonomously Track People
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New DARPA Robot Can Autonomously Track People

Professor warns machines will be used to “kill people”

Paul Joseph Watson
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Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Following Professor Noel Sharkey’s warning that the fleet of robots being developed for DARPA will ultimately be used to “kill people,” Boston Dynamics has released a new video showcasing how its LS3 robot is able to autonomously track humans over rugged terrain.

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40gECrmuCaU

The video clip shows a field test of the DARPA Legged Squad Support System autonomously following a man through a forest. The robot is also able to interpret visual and verbal commands.

“We’ve refined the LS3 platform and have begun field testing against requirements of the Marine Corps,” Army Lt. Col. Joe Hitt, DARPA program manager told Fox News. “The vision for LS3 is to combine the capabilities of a pack mule with the intelligence of a trained animal.”

Although Boston Dynamics and DARPA claim the robots are ostensibly being designed to help conduct humanitarian and relief missions, Noel Sharkey, professor of artificial intelligence and robotics at the University of Sheffield, recently warned that the true purpose of the machines is less benign.

Speaking about the Cheetah, a similar robot currently being perfected by Boston Dynamics, Sharkey said the device represented, “an incredible technical achievement, but it’s unfortunate that it’s going to be used to kill people.”

“It’s going to be used for chasing people across the desert, I would imagine. I can’t think of many civilian applications – maybe for hunting, or farming, for rounding up sheep.” Sharkey added.

“But of course if it’s used for combat, it would be killing civilians as well as it’s not going to be able to discriminate between civilians and soldiers.”

As we reported last week, the Cheetah recently broke the human world speed record set by Usain Bolt in 2009 by achieving a running speed of 28.3 miles per hour.

Sharkey has previously warned that the world may be sleepwalking into a potentially lethal technocracy and has called for safeguards on such technology to be put into place.

In 2008, Professor Sharkey told the Alex Jones Show:

“If you have an autonomous robot then it’s going to make decisions who to kill, when to kill and where to kill them. The scary thing is that the reason this has to happen is because of mission complexity and also so that when there’s a problem with communications you can send a robot in with no communication and it will decide who to kill, and that is really worrying to me.”

The professor also warned that such autonomous weapons could easily be used in the future by law enforcement officials in cites, pointing out that South Korean authorities are already planning to have a fully armed autonomous robot police force in their cities.

Paul Marks at the New Scientist pointed out such proposals are somewhat concerning, because they inevitably will be adapted for domestic purposes such as policing and crowd control.

“…how long before we see packs of droids hunting down pesky demonstrators with paralysing weapons? Or could the packs even be lethally armed?” Marks asked.

In 2008, the Pentagon issued a request to contractors to develop a “Multi-Robot Pursuit System” designed to search for, detect and track “non-cooperative” humans in “pursuit/evasion scenarios”.

This again illustrates how behind the veneer of relief missions and humanitarianism, the true purpose that the robots are eventually designed to fulfil is based around tracking, pursuing and even killing humans – in the context of both law enforcement and combat.
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The End Of Humanity: Rise of the Robots
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The End Of Humanity: Rise of the Robots

The elite’s plan for the future doesn’t include you

Alex Jones & Paul Joseph Watson
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The global elite has reached a decision that could spell the end of humanity as we know it in the decades to come. Having become superfluous in the eyes of those who plan to impose a technocracy over the entire planet, robots will be used to both replace and eliminate humans as the elite advances towards its much cherished technological singularity.

The rise of the robots is no longer confined to the realms of science fiction. If the predictions of those who have already proven themselves accurate in forecasting the future course of technological development are manifested, a new high-tech dark age is upon us.

In our previous article on the subject, we highlighted a piece written in 2000 by Sun Microsystems Bill Joy. In the Wired Magazine article, Why The Future Doesn’t Need Us, Joy explains how within decades most of the functions now carried out by human workers will be performed by robots.

With the vast majority of human beings rendered obsolete in the eyes of the controllers as a result of this shift, which will easily outstrip even the impact of the industrial revolution, the elite, “may simply decide to exterminate the mass of humanity,” writes Joy.

Joy’s forecast is echoed by respected author, inventor and futurist Ray Kurzweil. In his 1999 book The Age of Spiritual Machines, Kurzweil made a series of predictions about technological advancements that would occur at each 10-year juncture. Kurzweil’s short term predictions were stunningly accurate – he foresaw the rise of the iPhone and smart phones in general as well as the Kindle.

Kurzweil predicted that by 2009, “Computer displays have all the display quality of paper—high resolution, high contrast, large viewing angle, and no flicker. Books, magazines, and newspapers are now routinely read on displays that are the size of, well, small books.”

Kurzweil also described the iPad ten years before its emergence as well as the rise of wireless telephone communications using “high-resolution moving images.” He also foresaw iTunes, You Tube and on demand services like Netflix as well as how all this technology would prompt a huge debate about privacy and identity theft, which is exactly what has occurred.

Kurzweil forecast that unmanned drones would be used for combat operations by 2009, which also unfolded.

Given his accuracy, Kurzweil’s predictions for future decades – 2019, 2029 and beyond – are chilling.

By 2019 Kurzweil predicts that our computers will be implanted in eye glasses and contact lenses, a process already underway with the development of Google Glasses. By this time, a $4000 computer will have the same computing power as a human brain, according to Kurzweil.

“Privacy continues to be a major political and social issue with each individual’s practically every move stored in a database somewhere,” writes Kurzweil, a notable forecast given recent revelations about the Trapwire program.

The decades beyond 2019 will be characterized by the problem of a growing “human underclass” that is not productively engaged in the economy.

From 2029 onwards, the elite will see its dream of obtaining singularity – man merging with machine – begin to take true shape. Computers and cellphones will now be implanted in people’s eyes and ears.

The wider trend of the elite seeing humans as completely expendable as their roles are taken up by machines now unfolds. “There is almost no human employment in production, agriculture, and transportation,” writes Kurzweil.

By 2099, the entire planet is run by artificially intelligent computer systems which are smarter than the entire human race combined – similar to the Skynet system fictionalized in the Terminator franchise.

Humans who have resisted altering themselves by becoming part-cyborg will be ostracized from society.

“Even among those human intelligences still using carbon-based neurons, there is ubiquitous use of neural implant technology, which provides enormous augmentation of human perceptual and cognitive abilities. Humans who do not utilize such implants are unable to meaningfully participate in dialogues with those who do,” writes Kurzweil.

Kurzweil’s future represents the ultimate goal of the elite – eliminating the beautiful existing order and replacing it with a high-tech dystopian technocracy. Instead of being used to empower and advance humanity, technology will be used to further drive a wedge between the haves and the have nots – with the have nots eventually being eliminated entirely.

We are have already seen major steps taken towards the vision outlined by Kurzweil.

Using drones to remove the human element of warfare is already well underway. In the future, wars will almost exclusively be fought between robots, making them far more ubiquitous and far more deadly for the planet as a whole. Would robots with no emotional capacity whatsoever hesitate to deploy super weapons that could wipe out entire races of people or completely wreck the planet’s eco-system?

Using robots to perform law enforcement duties and hunt down suspects is also right around the corner.

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Experts to Study Whether Robots Will Exterminate Humanity
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Experts to Study Whether Robots Will Exterminate Humanity

How close are we to a Skynet takeover?

Paul Joseph Watson
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November 27, 2012

Experts at the prestigious University of Cambridge will conduct research into the “extinction-level risks” posed to humanity by artificially intelligent robots.



The Cambridge Project for Existential Risk is dedicated to “ensuring that our own species has a long-term future” by studying the risks posed by AI, nanotechnology and biotechnology.

“The scientists said that to dismiss concerns of a potential robot uprising would be “dangerous,” reports the BBC.

The project was co-founded by Huw Price, Bertrand Russell Professor of Philosophy at Cambridge, Martin Rees, Emeritus Professor of Cosmology & Astrophysics at Cambridge, and Jaan Tallinn, the co-founder of Skype.

It also counts amongst its advisers Max Tegmark, Professor of Physics, MIT and George M Church, Professor of Genetics at Harvard Medical School.

An article written by Tallinn and Price warns that artificially intelligent computers or robots could take over “the speed and direction of technological progress itself,” and shape the environment of planet earth to their own ends while displaying about as much concern for humanity as we do for a bug on the windscreen.

Far from being resigned to works as science fiction such as in the Terminator films, the threat posed by a potential future “rise of the robots” has never been closer to reality.

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Re: What if advanced robotics eliminates the need for human labor?
« Reply #68 on: November 27, 2012, 06:47:46 pm »
Yea, Asimov was dropping some heavy chemicals....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics

The Three Laws of Robotics (often shortened to The Three Laws or Three Laws) are a set of rules devised by the science fiction author Isaac Asimov and later added to. The rules were introduced in his 1942 short story "Runaround", although they had been foreshadowed in a few earlier stories.

The Three Laws are:
 1.A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
 2.A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
 3.A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.

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Re: What if advanced robotics eliminates the need for human labor?
« Reply #69 on: November 27, 2012, 07:40:17 pm »
If a computer were to take on all the functions of the human brain it would have to be 100 miles high and the size of Texas.

We are no where close to that level of technology yet.

Besides Americans have already put other Americans out of work by outsourcing and offshoring.  So you see the biggest evil is not the machines but humanities' inner Anunnaki complex for slave labor.

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Re: What if advanced robotics eliminates the need for human labor?
« Reply #70 on: December 07, 2012, 03:19:08 pm »
Asimov in his later series witch he connect his other series together added the Zeroth Law:A robot may not injure humanity, or, through inaction, allow humanity to come to harm. This allows R. Daneel Olivaw to take over another biological body in the foundation and earth. Thus undermining or enhancing the other three laws. In the derivative trilogy (second foundation trilogy)work from other authors: Foundation's Triumph, Foundation and Chaos, and Foundation's Fear the door is wide open for the reinterpretation of the laws. This leads to the robots being able kill to protect humanity or using a virus to brain damage humans so they don't get to smart and destroy themselves.
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Re: What if advanced robotics eliminates the need for human labor?
« Reply #71 on: December 07, 2012, 03:30:38 pm »
Oh the zeroth law was fist used in the Robot's and the empire(connecting the robot and empire series) so that earth could be slowly irradiated to force humanity off of earth which would be better for them in the long run. They also use it to justify telepathically altering two peoples minds.
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Re: What if advanced robotics eliminates the need for human labor?
« Reply #72 on: December 08, 2012, 03:38:26 pm »

Rise of the Robots

December 8, 2012, 8:37 am176 Comments

Catherine Rampell and Nick Wingfield write about the growing evidence for “reshoring” of manufacturing to the United States. They cite several reasons: rising wages in Asia; lower energy costs here; higher transportation costs. In a followup piece, however, Rampell cites another factor: robots.

The most valuable part of each computer, a motherboard loaded with microprocessors and memory, is already largely made with robots, according to my colleague Quentin Hardy. People do things like fitting in batteries and snapping on screens.

As more robots are built, largely by other robots, “assembly can be done here as well as anywhere else,” said Rob Enderle, an analyst based in San Jose, Calif., who has been following the computer electronics industry for a quarter-century. “That will replace most of the workers, though you will need a few people to manage the robots.”

Robots mean that labor costs don’t matter much, so you might as well locate in advanced countries with large markets and good infrastructure (which may soon not include us, but that’s another issue). On the other hand, it’s not good news for workers!

This is an old concern in economics; it’s “capital-biased technological change”, which tends to shift the distribution of income away from workers to the owners of capital.

Twenty years ago, when I was writing about globalization and inequality, capital bias didn’t look like a big issue; the major changes in income distribution had been among workers (when you include hedge fund managers and CEOs among the workers), rather than between labor and capital. So the academic literature focused almost exclusively on “skill bias”, supposedly explaining the rising college premium.

But the college premium hasn’t risen for a while. What has happened, on the other hand, is a notable shift in income away from labor:

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If this is the wave of the future, it makes nonsense of just about all the conventional wisdom on reducing inequality. Better education won’t do much to reduce inequality if the big rewards simply go to those with the most assets. Creating an “opportunity society”, or whatever it is the likes of Paul Ryan etc. are selling this week, won’t do much if the most important asset you can have in life is, well, lots of assets inherited from your parents. And so on.

I think our eyes have been averted from the capital/labor dimension of inequality, for several reasons. It didn’t seem crucial back in the 1990s, and not enough people (me included!) have looked up to notice that things have changed. It has echoes of old-fashioned Marxism — which shouldn’t be a reason to ignore facts, but too often is. And it has really uncomfortable implications.

But I think we’d better start paying attention to those implications.

more: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/08/rise-of-the-robots/?src=recg


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Re: What if advanced robotics eliminates the need for human labor?
« Reply #73 on: December 08, 2012, 04:06:13 pm »
Just the other day it was reported that Apple and then Foxconn would be doing some manufacturing in the US.  I build most of my own computers.  There is nothing much to it but the idea of sitting on an assembly line day in and day doing is not very appealing.  In fact you could design computers to be completely built by automation.  Not only that but design clothes to be done that way.  Much of that kind of work is tedious and people should not be doing it.   Nothing wrong though with a tailor or small shop doing custom clothing and there would always be a demand for that and that work is varied.  Same for the small hole in the wall computer shops that are still around and mainly building off the shelf computers for IT managers who want to be able to replace components which they can't often do with the mass market computer systems.

I call this the new leisure society.  I have watched movies made in the Middle East that show that there is more leisure time in these communities than we have in the rest.  You see folks sitting around more at cafes playing card games etc than we see here in the workaholic west.  They can pay for their livelihood with far less work than we need in the west.  I've heard the reality is we only have about enough work for 1/3 of the worker population.  To adjust to this new reality is going to take some doing since the current western establishment would not like the idea of a leisure society.

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Re: What if advanced robotics eliminates the need for human labor?
« Reply #74 on: December 09, 2012, 02:58:24 pm »
imho
They use artificial intelligence wherein just the brain of a moth and its synapses mega enhances computer function.  They use dogs now, monkeys - and probably clone or rip off human brains for this...

So, in reality I don't believe it would take a computer that big.  They can replicate enough of the human brain functions and resulting reactions where it seems that it might as well be all the functions.

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Think just how many functions the human body is capeable of performing.  Count all the autonomic and the somatic.

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Re: What if advanced robotics eliminates the need for human labor?
« Reply #75 on: January 07, 2013, 09:03:51 pm »
Geo I said other. With the assumption we all must become self containing and self reliant. With that in mind: At this time I am about 50% off the grid and I am shooting to be 75% by the middle of 2014. We grow about 30% of our own food at this time and I am trying to figure out a realistic solution to get us to at least 80%. Now I have e-foods and 2 water filters, so we will be good for 10 months. But I am figuring out a more long term solution to the food. Guns, ammunition, knifes, cross-bows & arrows are covered. If this not you were looking for, you have my apologizes

Now the analysis that robotics can taking over basic labor, it is already here and expanding exponentially. I work for a car company and we have a plant in our system that robots makeup of about 50% of the production. After our shutdown this year, it will be up to 55%. In 2014 we will shutdown in the summer for about a month to 6 weeks for retooling. After this robotics will makeup 75% of production and we have other plants that are using this blue print. Management goal is to have robotics be 100% of production, with skilled trades servicing and fixing them. This isn't just happening in the U.S., Brazil is moving just as fast with robotics taking the lead. China and India companies also have plans to implement more robotics into their manufacturing plants. The       
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Holy HAL! A robot stole my job
« Reply #76 on: January 23, 2013, 03:41:46 pm »
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/holy-hal-robot-stole-my-job-1B8057232

Holy HAL! A robot stole my job

PAUL WISEMAN
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January 23, 2013


Robotics expert Watanaru Yoshizaki demonstrates how to operate the arm of a giant "Kuratas"
robot at an exhibition in Tokyo, Nov. 28, 2012. Millions of middle-class jobs have been lost in
the developed world, according to an AP report, and they are being obliterated by technology.


Five years after the start of the Great Recession, the toll is terrifyingly clear: Millions of middle-class jobs have been lost in developed countries the world over.

And the situation is even worse than it appears.

Most of the jobs will never return, and millions more are likely to vanish as well, say experts who study the labor market. What's more, these jobs aren't just being lost to China and other developing countries, and they aren't just factory work. Increasingly, jobs are disappearing in the service sector, home to two-thirds of all workers.

They're being obliterated by technology.

Year after year, the software that runs computers and an array of other machines and devices becomes more sophisticated and powerful and capable of doing more efficiently tasks that humans have always done. For decades, science fiction warned of a future when we would be architects of our own obsolescence, replaced by our machines; an Associated Press analysis finds that the future has arrived.

"The jobs that are going away aren't coming back," says Andrew McAfee, principal research scientist at the Center for Digital Business at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and co-author of "Race Against the Machine." "I have never seen a period where computers demonstrated as many skills and abilities as they have over the past seven years."

The global economy is being reshaped by machines that generate and analyze vast amounts of data; by devices such as smartphones and tablet computers that let people work just about anywhere, even when they're on the move; by smarter, nimbler robots; and by services that let businesses rent computing power when they need it, instead of installing expensive equipment and hiring IT staffs to run it. Whole employment categories, from secretaries to travel agents, are starting to disappear.

"There's no sector of the economy that's going to get a pass," says Martin Ford, who runs a software company and wrote "The Lights in the Tunnel," a book predicting widespread job losses. "It's everywhere."

The numbers startle even labor economists.

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Robot Economy Could Cause Up To 75 Percent Unemployment
« Reply #77 on: January 31, 2013, 02:56:21 pm »
http://www.businessinsider.com/50-percent-unemployment-robot-economy-2013-1

Robot Economy Could Cause Up To 75 Percent Unemployment

Max Nisen
Business Insider
Jan. 28, 2013



The Associated Press has a three-part series on one of the biggest questions business and society will face in coming years.

Are we prepared for a world where 50 to 75 percent of workers are unemployed?

It seems like a ridiculous question, but it's something economists and technologists say we seriously need to think about. It's just math.

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Re: What if advanced robotics eliminates the need for human labor?
« Reply #78 on: February 04, 2013, 01:02:10 pm »
bump... AJ has been talking about this on Todays Show
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Re: What if advanced robotics eliminates the need for human labor?
« Reply #79 on: February 04, 2013, 02:16:45 pm »
I would like to change my vote to all of the above. They will make us compete with the robotic labor but because we need to eat and sleep we will loose. Then we will be forced to go on welfare financed by our national debt(competing with the banker theft and wars of aggression). We will be forced into the cities or FEMA camps(prisons) because that is where the government housing is. They will say even then we are just freeloaders because it costs to much to feed us because we don't produce as much as the machines. They will then start killing us off to save the planet from us useless eaters. Anyone that is still free will be killed by the autonomous robots, because even solders will be expendable at that point. So we will be in every category one after another before they kill us.
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