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 NOTE: More Manipulation in Maine? I was wondering why the vote stopped at 95%. Now we know why! http://news.yahoo.com/romney-paul-2-man-ra...-211007723.html Also, Washington County, in the state's rural eastern region, postponed its caucuses until Feb. 18 because of a snow storm, disappointing some participants.
Helen Saccone, of Lubec, said those who wanted to caucus there should have had the chance. "It's Maine. Life goes on when it snows in Maine," she said.
The rural region is likely stronger territory for Paul, who has been more active than Romney in the state. (Email from John Tate in the Paul Camp) Tonight you saw dueling examples of how much the establishment is scared of Ron Paul and his message of liberty.
Ron Paul will win the most delegates out of Maine tonight.
In fact, he will probably even win the “beauty contest” Straw Poll the media has already called for Mitt Romney – even before all the votes have been tallied.
“HOW CAN THAT BE?” you might be asking yourself.
Simple. The national political establishment and their pals in the national media will do ANYTHING to silence our message of liberty.
You see, in Maine today, you and I saw a perfect example of just how much the establishment fears Ron Paul.
In Washington County – where Ron Paul was incredibly strong – the caucus was delayed until next week just so the votes wouldn’t be reported by the national media today.
Of course, their excuse for the delay was “snow.”
That’s right. A prediction of 3-4 inches – that turned into nothing more than a dusting - was enough for a local GOP official to postpone the caucuses just so the results wouldn’t be reported tonight.
The GIRL SCOUTS had an event today in Washington County that wasn’t cancelled!
And just the votes of Washington County would have been enough to put us over the top.
This is an outrage. Perhaps you heard about it on the mainstream news tonight? SO, IT COULD BE THAT RON PAUL WON AFTER ALL, IF THIS IS THE CASE! WILL THEY COME BACK A WEEK FROM NOW AND REDECLARE THE REAL WINNER, LIKE THEY DID WITH SANTORUM? THESE PEOPLE ARE BEYOND DISGUSTING |
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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2012, 08:52:49 PM » |
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I am about fed-up with these shenanigans!  WE ARE WATCHING YOU!!! YOU CANNOT FOOL US!!! |
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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2012, 09:09:17 PM » |
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I am about fed-up with these shenanigans! WE ARE WATCHING YOU!!! YOU CANNOT FOOL US!!! It is truly amazing! It is so blatant! |
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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2012, 09:29:42 PM » |
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Until and unless someone representing the Ron Paul campaign starts pursuing criminal charges against the likely culprits, they'll keep right on stealing one primary after another. Not only does complaining about it not change anything, it merely invites continued laughter from the banker-owned political establishment. "My people and I have come to an agreement which satisfies us both. They are to say what they please, and I am to do what I please." -- Frederick The Great (1712-1786) |
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2012, 09:42:24 PM » |
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If Romney had integrity, he would be saying something about this! Why isnt he? You can bet his campaign knows about this, or should!
This should be sent to his campaign office, if by some slight chance he doesn't know! Someone should ask him at his next campaign stop, in public, about this! Force it into the public arena!
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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2012, 10:09:23 PM » |
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So, it only snowed a little bit in one county?
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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2012, 10:23:54 PM » |
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If Romney had integrity, he would be saying something about this! Why isnt he? You can bet his campaign knows about this, or should!
This should be sent to his campaign office, if by some slight chance he doesn't know! Someone should ask him at his next campaign stop, in public, about this! Force it into the public arena!
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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2012, 10:45:48 PM » |
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Any Candidate who gets elected under these fraudulent processes will be handicapped by a severe lack of credibility.
Maybe that is a good thing.
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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2012, 11:45:57 PM » |
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So, it only snowed a little bit in one county?
From my understanding it was nothing more than a dusting. They called for 1 to 6 inches earlier in the afternoon. But we are talking about Maine! That would shut down Dallas/Ft Worth, but not Maine! |
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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2012, 01:23:16 AM » |
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So, it only snowed a little bit in one county?
Yeah, and a Girl Scout Troop still had their meeting in that county. |
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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2012, 06:18:12 AM » |
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So, it only snowed a little bit in one county?
A significant thing that needed to be pointed out! The whole State of Maine isn't that big. So if they had a HUGE STORM PREDICTED, all caucuses would have been cancelled. But NO, only the one Paul had worked hard in and was favored to win! This in itself shows there is major fraud going on!
The Maine GOP Chairman (At a gathering in Portland, state Republican Chairman Charlie Webster) who called this race for Romney needs to be INVESTIGATED. HE IS OBVIOUSLY ON THE TAKE OR EXTREMELY STUPID! EITHER IS UNACCEPTABLE FOR SOMEONE WHO CALLS HIMSELF "A LEADER".
I guess the GOP leadership (really a bunch of sniveling punks) doesn't mind being seen as thoroughly discredited after only a few States have voted? THESE PEOPLE ARE INSANE!
AND IF YOU THINK THIS IS SAYING THE DEMOCRATS ARE ANY BETTER, YOU STILL DON'T GET HOW BOTH PARTIES ARE CORRUPT! THEY BOTH ARE DOING THIS COUNTRY IN BECAUSE WE ARE ALLOWING THEM TO DO SO BY NOT STANDING UP! THIS CAN NOT STAND! |
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« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2012, 07:22:46 AM » |
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RON PAUL VICTORY IN MAINE! “WE ARE CONFIDENT WE WILL CONTROL THE MAINE DELEGATION FOR THE CONVENTION IN AUGUST”http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/02/11/ron-paul-victory-in-maine/FALMOUTH, Maine – 2012 Republican Presidential candidate Ron Paul has scored a strong finish in the Maine presidential caucuses. Paul gained over 36 percent of the vote in the ‘Pine Tree’ state, being barely nudged out by eventual winner Gov. Mitt Romney who pulled in a little over 38 percent.
Paul performed well throughout the state, although his campaign’s stronghold of Washington County (the one that was cancelled) did not report today for inexplicable reasons. Congressman Paul was barely bested by Gov. Romney by about 194 votes, a margin the campaign is confident it will make up with the 200 plus votes expected to come out of Washington County’s caucus.
“Today’s results show once again that Congressman Paul’s campaign for liberty and a return to Constitutional principles is strong and growing,” said Ron Paul 2012 National Campaign Chairman Jesse Benton. “We are confident that we will control the Maine delegation for the convention in August. Our campaign is so thankful to all of our supporters in Maine, and all over the nation, and we want them to know that we plan to take this message all the way to the White House.”
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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2012, 07:42:04 AM » |
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MAINE - VERY IMPORTANT!http://www.dailypaul.com/213171/maine-very...esident+2012%29http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/ME-RThere are still caucuses to be held..if you have not attended your caucus yet do not let the outcome of today discourage you. That is exactly their plan !!!! They want you to give up out of frustration.
Who wins the vote in Maine is not as important as who has the delegates. And we are winning that battle in every state so far that has had a caucus. Iowa just elected a Ron Paul supporter as the GOP chairman, the only way that happened was because of the overwhelming number of Ron Paul delegates in Iowa.
It is VERY important that we have the most delegates we can get coming out of Maine to the national convention.
Maine's delegates are NOT bound and are considered Super Delegates at the national convention. THIS IS KEY !!!
So do not be discouraged..get those delegate positions for Ron Paul and round up as many Ron Paul supporters as you can to attend the remaining caucuses.
I'm including OCEANOZ's post from below in the body of the main topic so everyone can see which caucuses have not been held yet.
Remember even if the straw vote will not be included in the totals..it is becoming a delegate or showing up to vote for Ron Paul delegates that is important.
Hancock County-- Gouldsboro, Hancock, Lamoine, Waltham, Sorrento, Sullivan, Winter Harbor, Fletcher's Landing, Aurora/Amherst, Eastbrook, Franklin, Mariaville, Osborn: 18 February
Hancock County-- Castine: 3 March
Kennebec County-- Rome: 16 February
Washington County -- postponed till 18 February ( 47 Towns )
[sources: The Green Papers and Wikipedia for Washington County.]" FOLKS, SIGN UP TO BE A DELEGATE FOR RON PAUL! THIS CHEATING SHOULD MOTIVATE EVERY SINGLE PERSON TO DO THEIR PART. STAND UP NOW, OR THE BASTARDS WIN!
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« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2012, 07:59:41 AM » |
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Can someone explain what are delegates and why are they important? For people who are not from the US maybe it can be explained so we understand what is going on.  |
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« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2012, 11:08:55 AM » |
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« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2012, 09:41:59 PM » |
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NY Times breaks the silence: ROMNEY DID NOT WIN MAINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Could Ron Paul Still Win Maine?http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/could-ron-paul-still-win-maine/By NATE SILVER February 12, 2012, 8:44 pm Ron Paul’s campaign is claiming that it could still win the presidential preference poll in the Maine caucus because of a county that postponed its vote and will hold its caucus next Saturday, Feb. 18. On Saturday, the Maine Republican Party declared Mitt Romney the winner of the presidential preference vote, which he led by 194 ballots based on the caucuses that have been held so far. State Republicans said they considered the results of the straw poll final. However, Washington County, in the easternmost part of the state, postponed its caucus after a snowstorm was forecast there. The Washington County G.O.P. Chair, Chris Gardner, said his county would conduct the straw poll at its caucuses and will report the results to the state. All if this will be moot unless Mr. Paul is able to make up 194 votes in the county. Based on how the county voted in 2008, that seems unlikely. Just 113 votes total were cast in the county in 2008, and only 8 of those were for Mr. Paul. John McCain, instead, won the plurality. In addition, Mr. Romney narrowly won the two counties, Hancock and Penobscot, that border Washington County to the west and which are probably the best demographic match for it — although Mr. Paul won sparsely-populated Aroostook County, which borders it to the north, where he took 81 votes to Mr. Romney’s 26. However, Washington County might theoretically have some untapped potential for Mr. Paul. It is rural and relatively poor — demographics that tend to suit him more than Mr. Romney. And it is relatively conservative, having split its vote about evenly between Barack Obama and Mr. McCain in 2008 when Mr. Obama won Maine as a whole fairly easily. What such an outcome would require is for Mr. Paul’s campaign to make a concerted effort to turn out any supporters it has in the area. There are 6,907 registered Republicans in Washington County, and another 8,247 unaffiliated registered voters, who are eligible to participate by changing their registration to Republican at the caucus site. Unregistered voters, for that matter, are also free to participate provided that they register at the caucus site. Imagine, for instance, that voters turned out in the county at a rate comparable the Iowa caucuses, where Mr. Paul had a strong turnout operation. In Iowa, 122,255 Republicans participated in the caucuses as compared to a total of 644,220 voters who were registered as Republican prior to caucus night. Were turnout in Washington County to occur at the Iowa rate, it would produce about 1,300 participants at the caucuses, enough to swing the outcome if Mr. Paul received about 15 percent more of their votes than Mr. Romney. A more likely scenario, perhaps, is that Mr. Paul would work to turn out his supporters while the other campaigns would not. Mr. Romney’s campaign, in particular, might seem to give credence to the notion that the straw poll was an unresolved issue if it made extra effort to turn out voters there. If Mr. Paul were somehow to secure the 194-vote margin, that would create a messy scenario for the Maine G.O.P. It would either need to backtrack on its previous statements that the straw poll results are final, or might risk appearing as though it was disenfranchising voters. Such a result would also create problems of interpretation. Under this scenario, turnout would be much higher in Washington County than in other parts of Maine — and it would be higher in part because the results from the rest of the state were already known and Mr. Paul had doubled-down in the county as a result. Put differently, it’s possible that Mr. Paul would receive enough votes there to swing the outcome, but would not have done so if the caucus had taken place as originally scheduled. A handful of Maine towns outside of Washington County have also not yet held caucuses. In those cases, however, the caucuses were scheduled for after Feb. 11 all along. Only 45 votes were cast in these towns in 2008, so any impact is likely to be small. The results of the presidential preference poll are nonbinding and serve mostly for vanity — delegates are selected through a separate vote at the caucus sites. Although this is also true in most other Republican caucus states, Maine’s delegate selection process is especially cumbersome and can potentially reward candidates whose supporters are more enthusiastic and who sit through the entire process, which can be hours long. Mr. Paul’s campaign has predicted that it will win the most delegates from Maine regardless of the result of the straw poll.
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« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2012, 09:43:12 PM » |
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Detroit News breaks the silence: ROMNEY DID NOT WIN MAINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Romney ekes out slim win in Maine, or nothttp://blogs.detroitnews.com/politics/2012/02/12/romney-ekes-out-a-slim-win-in-maine-or-not/By Libby Spencer Feb 12, 2012, 2:56 pm Mitt Romney allegedly won the Maine caucus yesterday, or rather the state Chair declared Romney the winner even though the results were incomplete: At a gathering in Portland, state Republican Chairman Charlie Webster announced Romney had won with 2,190 votes, or 39 percent, compared to 1,996 — about 36 percent — for Ron Paul, the only other candidate to aggressively compete in the state. Rick Santorum received 989 votes and Newt Gingrich won 349, but neither actively campaigned there. Other candidates drew 61 votes. The totals reflected about 84 percent of the state’s precincts. Webster insisted that any caucus results that come in after Saturday wouldn’t be counted no matter how close the vote.So the GOP establishment is willing to disenfranchise even its own voters in order to get the results they prefer? Don’t understand how it’s even legal to just unilaterally decide which votes get to be counted. Particularly since Romney only “won” by 194 votes. Even more interesting is the now discounted districts were likely to go for Ron Paul.The Paul campaign is understandably crying foul and refuse to concede. Certainly it’s odd that in snow country like Maine, a local GOP honcho decided to postpone the caucus based on a forecast of 3 inches of snow that ended up barely dusting the ground. Especially when the Girl Scouts in the same county didn’t postpone their event. Looks like the establishment GOP isn’t going to bother to even pretend to care who the rank and file Republicans want to nominate. Feels like Iowa all over again.
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« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2012, 11:07:11 AM » |
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More Bases for Maine Caucus Complaints from Ron Paul:http://pollways.bangordailynews.com/2012/0...-from-ron-paul/ In addition to the issue about whether weather-postponed Maine GOP caucuses will count in the final tally, Ron Paul supporters have some additional bases for complaint.
One involves what happened in Portland on the final caucus day. A major part of the procedure involves the selection of delegates to the state GOP convention, where the delegates to the national Republican convention would be selected. The Republican nominee must capture a majority of delegates at the national convention.
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Party officials announced at the end of the Riverton Elementary School caucus that there had been a discrepancy in the final tally of state delegate ballots, and that they had received 19 more ballot sheets than they had the green index cards that voters turned in when they took their ballots. That meant that the results of Portland’s state delegate race – at least, for the time being – were void.
Another emerging issue involves different tallies being reported from some of the caucuses. Often there are errors that are corrected later. However, a poster (Larry in Augusta) at the conservative site As Maine Goes suggests that these may be skewed toward Romney, since the Portland numbers were incorrect and Waterville results were omitted.
Looking at both list below is the error rate and if these errors hold true throughout the State Paul will win the straw poll by six votes. Paul would have 2289 to Romneys 2283. How does this sort of thing happen? 15% of Ron Paul votes were not counted…..
Something tells me it’s going to take some time to sort this out.
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« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2012, 05:50:21 AM » |
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Geo is right, until this becomes a legal issue it will continue, voting fraud is a crime.
Ron Paul's crew must get this public, and process the issue publically.
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« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2012, 08:11:39 AM » |
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This is a very good explanation of what's really going on, amazing, right in plain view!!! |
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« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2012, 08:38:55 AM » |
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Geo is right, until this becomes a legal issue it will continue Yes, but not because I say it will, but because over two centuries of U.S. political history overwhelmingly say it will:  How many more centuries must go by before campaign managers and political consultants finally face up to this reality and change their tactics and strategies accordingly? |
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« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2012, 09:36:39 AM » |
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The media is ignoring this right now. Lusting for Persian blood letting instead.
The Ron Paul campaign can find the best evidence for fraud and incorporate it into their latest ads, in time for Super Tuesday. The media would not be able to ignore it then.
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« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2012, 06:01:16 PM » |
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The media is ignoring this right now. Lusting for Persian blood letting instead.
The Ron Paul campaign can find the best evidence for fraud and incorporate it into their latest ads, in time for Super Tuesday. The media would not be able to ignore it then.
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« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2012, 06:07:28 AM » |
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great idea! yet perhaps a little too politically incorrect still....?
They key to deflating the "politically correct" culture is with well time political incorrectness. This may take some restraint. |
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« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2012, 07:30:05 AM » |
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They key to deflating the "politically correct" culture is with well time political incorrectness. This may take some restraint.
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« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2012, 08:16:11 AM » |
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How to contact the unAmerican GOP Chairman of Maine and his crew who called the election EVEN THOUGH ALL THE VOTES HAD NOT BEEN COUNTED. IT IS UNACCEPTABLE TO STOP A VOTE BECAUSE OF SNOW IN MAINE. THAT IS UTTERLY RIDICULOUS.
HE MUST BE FORCED TO RESIGN, IF HE DOES NOT COUNT ALL OF THE VOTES AND GIVE A CORRECT VOTE COUNT. WE WILL NOT CONTINUE SUPPORTING LIARS AND CHEATERS IN ELECTIONS. THEY MUST BE CALLED OUT AND FORCED TO RESIGN FOR THEIR LACK OF INTEGRITY, OR JUST BEING UTTERLY STUPID:http://www.MaineGOP.com/contact-us/EVERY STATE THAT HAS VOTED THUS FAR SHOULD BE CONTACTED (GOP CHAIRMEN) BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALSO ENGAGED IN FRAUD AND THEIR VOTES ARE IN QUESTION (SOUTH CAROLINA AN ELECTRONIC VOTING STATE EVEN HAD THE STATE AG SAYING THERE WAS FRAUD). THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE! IT CAN NOT STAND!
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« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2012, 10:18:42 AM » |
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Waldo County, Maine, calls for Censure of GOP Chair Webster:http://www.pressherald.com/news/gop-in-waldo-seeks-censure-of-party-chair_2012-02-16.htmlGOP in Waldo seeks censure of party chair
The county committee says state chief Charlie Webster mishandled last weekend's 2012 presidential caucuses.
By John Richardson jrichardson@mainetoday.com
MaineToday Media State House Writer
AUGUSTA - The Waldo County Republican Committee is calling for a censure of the state's party chairman because of problems with Maine's 2012 presidential caucuses.
At their regular monthly meeting Tuesday evening, committee members initially made a motion to call for Charlie Webster's resignation or removal from the job as state chairman. Ultimately, they adopted a motion asking the state committee to censure Webster.
"The consensus from the floor was anger," said Raymond St. Onge, the party's Waldo County chairman.
Webster has been under fire from many Republicans -- especially Ron Paul's supporters -- since he announced Saturday that Mitt Romney had won Maine's preference poll, even though Washington County's caucuses had been postponed that day because of a snowstorm.
It later was learned that votes taken in other communities, including Waterville and most of Waldo County, were not included in the vote totals, for unknown reasons.
Webster said some communities were left out inadvertently because of clerical errors. He has refused to issue a corrected count, saying only that the results would not change.
Webster also has said that Washington County's caucuses, to be held this Saturday, are not likely to give Paul, who finished second, enough votes to take the lead from Romney.
St. Onge will present Waldo County's message at the next state committee meeting, on March 10.
Other county officials also are frustrated that not all votes were counted, but it's not clear whether they will join Waldo County in a formal action.
MaineToday Media State House Writer John Richardson can be contacted at 620-7016 or at:
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« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2012, 07:32:54 PM » |
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its all about who gets the delegates, and ron pual is the only candidate that apparently knows how
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« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2012, 11:12:15 AM » |
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Romney's man Webster is still trying to run his scam game by hiding the real numbers... Asked if anyone has access to the updated results, which he (Webster) said show Romney with a greater lead after vote adjustments, Webster said absolutely not. “No one has access,” he said. “There will be no access. We will give it to the committee on March 10. We are not going to release them. People can whine and complain and plead, but I’m not going to make them public.”http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/15/maine-gop-adds-missing-caucus-votes-but-wont-release-updated-vote-count |
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