Concerns about Tangy Tangerine

[John_Back_From_The_Club_O]

First of all this Youngevity product line is probably one of the worst choices for a "natural" supplement. Their Tangy Tangerine is loaded with aluminum and synthetic vitamins (see my other post below). I studied alternative health for 30 years and I can tell you this is not a healthy supplement. There are many product available, a lot cheaper and healthier than this.

Secondly, I know Alex is trying to make some needed money by promoting Youngevity products and recruiting people to sell it. But I listen to GCN, Alex Jones, Pharmacist Ben and others, and I gotta say I am so very tired of hearing about it on all these programs. It's like listening to one big infomercial on Youngevity throughout the morning and afternoon. Alex Jones and Pharmacist Ben most of the time really over do it and I have to turn it of and put Russia Today on for the news instead.  Even if it was something that I really liked, I still wouldn't like hearing about it constantly. Commercials are bad enough, but infomercials are worse in my opinion.

I think the Yougevity protagonists have brought up great points but not one of you have given us an alternative product(s).

[DAVIDE MTL]

I think the Yougevity protagonists have brought up great points but not one of you have given us an alternative product(s).

you won't ever need a doctor, let me know what you think
http://www.askinsiderdoctors.com/

[bento]

muti-level marketing scam. DO NOT WANT! He lied about the average age of doctors dieing among other things. go to you local health store i found products that had exactly the same amounts listed. Cult of personality.

[Scarbo]

ASAP has grain alcohol in it. Ugh.

[Valerius]

When I was healthy, I mostly followed a Mediteranean diet. Not as a disciple or anything but it was what I most liked to eat. I believe it to be worthy of consideration.

[qbit]

I know recently Alex has been promoting youngevity products particularity Tangy Tangerine. Two concerns of mine have come up after reading the ingredients label that was posted on the Youngevity Website.

1. The vitamins contained in this product appear to be synthetic vitamins. While may not be harmfull have shown not to be as effective as vitamins derived from whole foods.

2. What shocked me was the ingredient label for this product says it contains some harmfull heavy metals including Aluminum, Lead, Mecury, Arsenic and Nickel. Below is a pic of the nutrition label.



Thoughts? Explanation?

The trace metal content of the plant derived mineral powder is probably not a concern unless it's been shown to contain high levels of lead, mercury, cadmium, antimony or other toxic heavy metals.  Those metals are listed alphabetically on the label, not in order of concentration. The only way to be sure would be to have the mineral mix analyzed for specific elements. 

I'd take my chances with some natural trace minerals over a soda with HFCS, which is specifically manufactured with mercury so it's guaranteed to be contaminated every time you drink it. 

 I assume crushed up plants and rocks have just about every element in the periodic table in some quantitiy so it is a bit strange how they label those trace elements. If they have tested samples for concentration they should publish that data otherwise they might want to find a better way to list them.

[donnay]

Dr. Glidden talked about those concerns about arsenic and lead in the show today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZJF_UVtGl0

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

i recently bought beyond tangy tangerine, its working fine for me, only issue is i find it doesnt entirely dissolve in water, i get a couple of little clumps that sink to the bottom, and also it stains the glass which concerned me, washes off so not that concerned, but would like to hear if anyone else has noticed similar?

[Jacob Law]

i recently bought beyond tangy tangerine, its working fine for me, only issue is i find it doesnt entirely dissolve in water, i get a couple of little clumps that sink to the bottom, and also it stains the glass which concerned me, washes off so not that concerned, but would like to hear if anyone else has noticed similar?

Yes, I also noticed the same thing, I also sent an email to the help and never got a response.

[empire]

I think the Yougevity protagonists have brought up great points but not one of you have given us an alternative product(s).

I can't comment on the TT stuff as I haven't tried it, or delved into the topic.

But for anyone looking for an easy healthy DIY..
- Go to store and buy oranges, apples, beetroot, carrots, tomatoes (and add whatever else you feel like, spinach is good but can overwhelm the taste if you add too much).
- Buy juicer.
- Juice ingredients.
- Drink juice, while swallowing some
- Omega 3 capsules at the same time.

It's not a complete all-round solution, but it sure is a great start IMO.
I make up to three litres at a time and store in the fridge in glass bottles. Give the bottle a good shake before drinking, providing a nice foamy texture to the juice. And it's best drunk at room temperature (or not too cold).

My immune system has been given a huge boost since I started this. When my family members contracted a cold or flu it was always passed on to me. Since I started taking my "shots", that hasn't happened. Coincidence, maybe, but it certainly hasn't hurt..

[resist.tyranny]

Yes, I also noticed the same thing, I also sent an email to the help and never got a response.

Same thing happened to me.  It doesn't dissolve too well.  I bought one to try out, but I won't continue to buy. 

I think going forward I'm buying a good juicer and organic vegetables: http://www.discountjuicers.com/omega8004.html

I think Alex is looking for money to keep the operation going, but I think he should not be as discriminating with advertisers.  I appreciate the thought that he only sponsors products he personally uses, but I think he should drop that requirement.  I'm sophisticated enough to understand that the ads are to pay the bills.  I'm not some automaton that buys everything just because they advertise on the show.   

[donnay]

As I read this thread, I am sitting here drinking my Beyond Tangy Tangerine.  I started back, two weeks ago.  I also started the Osteo FX (three weeks), and I do Pollen Burst and I am here to say I am feeling great.  I have been doing the Pollen Burst for over 5 months now.

I used to drink a pot and half of coffee a day--just to keep going.  I now, drink one cup a day (in the morning).  With the Pollen Burst I have a level of energy throughout the day.

I have listened to a lot of the lectures that Dr. Wallach has given (they are available on Youtube) and it gave me a better understanding of the 90 essentials that we need daily--vitamins, minerals and essential amino acids.  The body can heal itself given the proper nutrients.  The 90 for life is the key.

[platinumpi4u]

Well I can report back the following:

After taking Enerfoods for almost a year, and now, having tried an order of TTG (Tangy Tangerine) I can report back that by using both combined, my girl and I are seeing awesome results.

I think the TTG works very will with the Enerfoods, and mixing the 2 together makes the Enerfoods taste like orange juice - which is a huge improvement.
Our appetites are definitely smaller - we are not as hungry, eat less and more healthy, and over all feel great.

It is so good, that we cannot help but to mention it and tell all our friends and anybody who will listen about the Enerfoods superfood, and the TTG vitamin/mineral/aminoacids.

I'm not sure if it's over kill or not to use both at once, but we have been for the past month and already felt like champions every day due to enerfoods, but with the TTG we both now feel like even bigger champions!

Generally, we just mix enerfoods with tangy tangerine inside of a 1/2 empty water bottle. Put the cap on, shake shake shake, and voila! Sometimes we add the coconut milk powder to it too. Ok I lied, we mix all 3. It tastes great - no more nasty swamp taste.

We also use the coconut milk powder to cook with in place of vegetable/corn/canola oil. Simply put a 1/2 teaspoon on your pan, a splash or 2 of water, and move it around like oil. We cook our white meat on the stove top like this. Makes chicken breasts from costco taste more clean. But I'm digressing.... Lol.

[empire]

I have listened to a lot of the lectures that Dr. Wallach has given (they are available on Youtube) and it gave me a better understanding of the 90 essentials that we need daily--vitamins, minerals and essential amino acids.  The body can heal itself given the proper nutrients.  The 90 for life is the key.

Care to elaborate on those a little more?

[donnay]

Care to elaborate on those a little more?

Here is Dr. Wallach explaining it better than I can, about the 90 essential vitamins, minerals and amino acids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBerYNulxJ8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKPnwQm-QP8&feature=relmfu

[empire]

Here is Dr. Wallach explaining it better than I can, about the 90 essential vitamins, minerals and amino acids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBerYNulxJ8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKPnwQm-QP8&feature=relmfu

Thanks!

[donnay]

Thanks!

You're welcome. 

I hope his lectures give you the epiphany that it gave me.

[New Whirled Order]

I started taking the Beyond Tangy Tangerine almost a month ago... 

Because my discipline hasn't been great as far as taking the recommended number of scoops per day, I'm just a bit over half-way through my second canister.  There were a few days when I had as little as one scoop.  I find that one scoop in 12 ounces of water is just about right, but it does require quite a bit of stirring or even be allowed to sit for a few minutes.  Otherwise, some dark red particles will float on top of the water.  There are still some ingredients in the bottom of the glass that will not dissolve at all with any amount of stirring.  After a little while I thought, "use a straw!" so that's what I've been doing to remedy that issue.

I hardly drink Cokes at all any more.  I think I've had two Cokes in the last 10 days.  Wish I could say the same for beer, but no dice. 

The only real issue I've had with this product (and it doesn't happen every day) is the vitamin B3 (niacin) may be a bit much for me to handle.  A strong dose of niacin can make your entire body feel very hot which I was not aware of until very recently.  The worst day was just a few days ago...  I was absolutely burning up from head to toe for hours.  Perhaps it's linked to the foods I eat on any particular day combined with this product.  I don't really know for sure.  Many days I didn't feel hot at all, other days it was bad.

Still working on it right now...  One step at a time.

 

[CaptBebops]

I surprised it actually has niacin in it.  I'm a strong believer in biochemical individuality and so are most alternative care folks including naturopaths.   I can't see these product being for "everyone" as that goes against the concept of biochemical individuality which is ages old in Chinese and East Indian medicine.  It seems a "shotgun" solution (a term that alternative care practitioners use for such supplementation).  I would love to hear Fuchs address the issue.

Here is a fairly decent though lengthy article on biochemical individuality in terms of "oxidation types" and their relation to ancient forms of medicine.

http://drlwilson.com/Articles/Oxidation%20Types%201104.htm

[platinumpi4u]

One could even press further, and get vitamins which  are tuned for your blood type... So I sort of agree with the shotgun approach, however we are continuing to see awesome results due to the Tangy Tangerine mixed with Enerfoods...

I wonder what Enerhealth has to say about Tangy Tangerine, or vis-versa.

[donnay]

Why Youngevity Essential Trace Minerals are Safe and Beneficial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofdIhftoEL0

[looney128]

One of the things that flagged me was that this was a powder.  I have always heard that liquid vitamins were better.  I see all the testimonials about how good people feel on Tangy Tangerine..... but, any nutrients, even synthetic, will be better than none at all.  The body will still use what it can.....  So if someone is suffering from malnutrition, just taking a generic multivitamin from the local store will help someone.

After doing some digging, many of the minerals are leached from shale, then plants are used to "soak" these minerals up.  They take these "plants" and process them into the vitamins.  OK... so its all natural and plant based....  This is NOT what people think when they hear "plant based".  I think of carrots, spinach, and other plants known for their individual vitamins.

As for alternatives....I have found the following....  They look pricier....but as one person posted, Tangy Tangerine must be taken by weight....so the cost per month may be more than these bellow.

LiquiVive liquid vitamin (211 ingredients)
http://www.lifenatural.com/liquid-vitamins.htm


intraMAX from Druckerlabs (415 ingredients, 80 vitamin sources)
http://store.druckerlabs.com/intraMAXinfo_s/117.htm

Here is an interesting article on how Vitamins are plant based
http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=116125

This Dr also has a product called All one
http://all-one.com/products/all-one-original-formula-30-day-supply.html

The All-one product seems to be on par with Tangy Tangerine....but costs less if you purchase the 66 day supply.
The IntraMAX seems to be the best product I have found....but twice as expensive (guess you get what you pay for)

-Cheers

[Lannister]

Killer combo.

I use Tangy Tangerine, Essential Fatty Acids capsules, and One World Whey.

Boy oh boy Haven't felt so good in years.

[Noles]

I love Tangy T!

[platinumpi4u]

Killer combo.

I use Tangy Tangerine, Essential Fatty Acids capsules, and One World Whey.

Boy oh boy Haven't felt so good in years.

Add the enerfoods to your mix and you will feel like a champion. We take both TTG and enerfoods and mix them together.. Tastes awesome and it seems like these 2 products work hand in hand...

[healthynut]

Hi guys, I'm fairly new here, but I've been doing my own research into vitamins/minerals and thought I'd contribute here. 

This past weekend, I met Dr. Wallach at an expo in NYC (New Life Expo) and started learning all I could about him.  Based on his youtube videos as well as some cds I purchased at the expo, I went ahead and became a customer/distributor (though I'm not promoting his products right now, since I want to see if the products really work.)

Having said that....  I would like to respond to some of the following:

Besides Tangy Tangerine having a lot of synthetic vitamins in it, this is what I found most disturbing...

Analysis Report of Majestic Earth Minerals: .pdf]http://www.youngevity.net/images/pdf/analysis[1].pdf
The aluminum - mg/L 1490. It is really extremely high. If this amount was in your drinking water it would be listed as hazardous. I can't imagine drinking this everyday, since it is accumulative and you get aluminum inadvertently from other sources.

According to...

Human Health Hazards: Aluminum in Drinking Water: http://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/publications/P0/P00261.pdf
The World Health Organization has recommended that aluminum levels in community water supplies should not exceed 0.2 mg/L. This is the same level allowed in bottled water which is regulated by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. In January 2011, Wisconsin adopted a standard of 0.2 mg/L for aluminum levels in groundwater. Water that contains more than 0.2 mg aluminum per liter should not be used for drinking water or to prepare beverages or infant formula. It is safe to use this water for other purposes such as bathing, showering, food preparation, and household chores.

Aluminum is not good for you no matter what Youngevity says. They say it's from "natural" sources, but ALL aluminum is from natural sources!

Since this was already addressed before by another member here, I figured there's no need to repeat it.  Inorganic minerals are quite different from organic colloidal minerals.

ULTIMATE TANGY TANGERINE® Supplement Facts:[/b] http://www.youngevity.net/images/pdf/MJ14tangy.pdf

Ultimate Tangy Tangerine is NOT the same as Beyond Tangy Tangerine.  Here are the ingredients for Beyond Tangy Tangerine:

http://www.youngevity.net/product/23221.html
http://www.youngevity.net/mm5/graphics/00000001/BTT_productcontent.gif

As you can see, it doesn't contain any sucralose, nor any potassium Benzoate.  Upon searching a bit further, here's what I discovered:

http://ctwcenter.com/5601.html

"Because Dr. Wallach has discovered that nutrients in liquid are more bio-available than those processed into capsules or tablets, the essential Youngevity formulations are liquid.  Liquid formulations must contain a tiny amount of preservative to be stable.  He chose the least harmful ones, potassium sorbate and sodium benzoate.  They are present in amounts so small that most people, even if they are highly sensitive to them, will have no reaction.  The challenges of sweetening liquids are complex.  Again, Dr. Wallach chose the least harmful option.  TINY amounts of sucralose (250 MICROgrams per CONTAINER) are present in the sweetened liquid formulations.  The improved functioning you body gains through vastly improved nutrition enables it to handle tiny amounts of sucralose and the two preservatives.

250mcg = 0.25mg

So that's 0.25mg per CONTAINER.  A diet soda contains supposedly around 60mg of sucralose.  Now let's compare:

diet soda = 60mg of sucralose
UTT = 0.25mg of sucralose.

One entire container of Ultimate Tangy Tangerine (which is NOT BTT), has 250x less than a diet soda.  But as you can see, BTT doesn't even have sucralose as it has a different formula now.  Here's what the website says about it (as well as some details about maltodextrin):

"A new technology now makes possible the bio-availablity of a liquid, without preservatives or sucralose.  One by one, Youngevity liquid formulations will be made available in the new crystal powder form.  The first product available in crystal powder is Beyond Tangy Tangerine (BTT).  The small amount of maltodextrin used to improve the texture of the powdered nutrients is made from rice and contains no gluten."

It appears that Ultimate Tangy Tangerine was the 'old formula' and now Beyond Tangy Tangerine doesn't have any of the preservatives nor the sucralose but even the 250mcg per container is very insignificant for a month's supply for a 100lb person whereas one diet soda has 250x that!  And again, this is for the old formula, so it's a nonissue since the new formula doesn't even contain sucralose.

You will not see this Tangy Tangerine product being pushed on Mike Adams Natural Health web site. With all the wonderful whole food organic supplements available this one, in my estimation is one of the poorest choices.

I do believe a closer look will reveal it is actually much better than you think.

Wouldn't it be better to spend your money on certified organic foods instead? You can not substitute a poor diet with just supplements.

On the contrary, eliminating a poor diet and getting the right supplements are a step in the right direction.  That's exactly what Dr. Wallach did with animals to reverse 900 diseases and cause dogs to live 3 times longer.

Unfortunately, the four main food groups do NOT contain the vitamins and minerals that we need.  We can't know exactly how much vitamin C there is in an orange, since we don't know how long it was out in the sun or whatever without expensive lab testing.

Thus, organic foods may not necessarily contain all the minerals we need, due to mineral depletion in our soil:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=soil-depletion-and-nutrition-loss

Now regarding all the other vitamins, I have yet to learn more about them before I respond, but interesting my naturopathic doctor SPECIFICALLY told me to get ascorbic acid, which you say is dangerous.  I haven't discovered exactly why, but he specifically told me to get on it as it is more acidic (my body is a bit too alkaline)

Before knocking his products, I would recommend listening to Dr. Wallach and reading his books to get a better understanding of where he is coming from.  This could be a good place to start (I figured there may be some lurkers who may be questioning Dr. Wallach).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viUumoM6e4o

[donnay]

Hi guys, I'm fairly new here, but I've been doing my own research into vitamins/minerals and thought I'd contribute here. 

Now regarding all the other vitamins, I have yet to learn more about them before I respond, but interesting my naturopathic doctor SPECIFICALLY told me to get ascorbic acid, which you say is dangerous.  I haven't discovered exactly why, but he specifically told me to get on it as it is more acidic (my body is a bit too alkaline)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viUumoM6e4o

Welcome aboard healthynut! 

Ascorbic acid is vitamin C (its scientific name is ascorbic acid).  Vitamin C fights cancer.  It also helps prevent scurvy--many people think scurvy is an old disease but you would be surprised how many people in America have the symptoms of it.  Not to mention, many Americans are vitamin and mineral deficient in so many things, that food just cannot provide.

Here is some good information about ascorbic acid:  http://orthomolecular.org/library/ivccancerpt.shtml

[platinumpi4u]

So has anybody else mixed Beyond TTG with enerfoods like me?  I'm having the best results....

[Scarbo]

i recently bought beyond tangy tangerine, its working fine for me, only issue is i find it doesnt entirely dissolve in water, i get a couple of little clumps that sink to the bottom, and also it stains the glass which concerned me, washes off so not that concerned, but would like to hear if anyone else has noticed similar?

I mix it with not just water but a touch of lemon juice and stevia, and I use what's called a blender bottle which I find to work better than an actual blender. Shake it up and it dissolves just fine. It tastes a little better with lemon juice added as well (at least to me).

[CaptBebops]

I've been trying some colloidal minerals from a local health food store.  My suspicions are that the company is also the vendor for Youngevity products.  I found them too alkalizing.  My thinking is that Youngevity is presuming that most of the country is too acid but there are people who are too alkaline and might not have good results with these products unless there are some added products to help balance.  This is a question I may put to Dr. Glidden in a call as I'm sure he is aware, as most naturopaths I've talked to, about metabolic typing.  To be fair I might try the Cheri-Mins which Glidden says one of the MLM folks gives away to get people started.  I would think a small 5 packet Tangy Tangerine sample pack would be a good idea.  The basic packs are still too expensive just to try out and see if they work for someone.

[EvadingGrid]

Hi guys, I'm fairly new here, but I've been doing my own research into vitamins/minerals and thought I'd contribute here. 

Welcome to the forum healthynut 

[jonnym]

I got a mad 20 minute buzz when I first took BTT but since then apart from a little energy boost I get SUPER HUNGRY on it and have to stop as its making me crave food :S

[Scarbo]

I got a mad 20 minute buzz when I first took BTT but since then apart from a little energy boost I get SUPER HUNGRY on it and have to stop as its making me crave food :S

That happened to me at first, too. Then it stopped. I have no idea why. 

[donnay]

That happened to me at first, too. Then it stopped. I have no idea why. 

I think it has to do with your body trying to adjust--it becomes a shock to the system per se.  Sometimes things get worse before the get better.  If one is used to eating junk then when they start eating healthier, they start craving the junk--since the body is so used to junk.  It takes a while for the body to adjust in some cases.  However, once it does, and you try the junk later on, after you start doing the right things it's like--"EGADS! How in the heck did I ever like that garbage?!"   

[decemberfellow]

I think it has to do with your body trying to adjust--it becomes a shock to the system per se.  Sometimes things get worse before the get better.  If one is used to eating junk then when they start eating healthier, they start craving the junk--since the body is so used to junk.  It takes a while for the body to adjust in some cases.  However, once it does, and you try the junk later on, after you start doing the right things it's like--"EGADS! How in the heck did I ever like that garbage?!"   

--"EGADS! How in the heck did I ever like that garbage?!"   

LOL been there done that!!!!

[donnay]

--"EGADS! How in the heck did I ever like that garbage?!"   

LOL been there done that!!!!

LOL!  Me too!  I used to love soda.  Now, if I drink one it literally makes me sick.   

[platinumpi4u]

We are still taking BTT and occasionally mixing it with Enerfoods.

Beyond Tangy Tangerine is great and I would recommend it to anybody.

After more careful consideration of Dr. Wallach, we are looking into his stuff to cure a few diseases in our family members: rheumatoid arthritis, eczema, and i'm try to tell my diabetic friend but he won't listen - only 2 ingredients to cure diabetes according to Wallach. Oh well you can lead the horse but you cant make them drink!

[OrganicObiwan]

Hi I'm Matt and I'm new and joined site specifically for this thread. I'd like to challenge Dr. Wallach cure for Muscular Dystrophy. From what I gather he recommends BTT to peeps with it. Well I have Fshd md. So lets put his ideas and products to the test. I'm 38 and have lost all ability to raise my arms over chest height and have lost all back and chest muscles as well as last. My arms and legs are still strong and I'm In much better shape than most with this or any type of md. 

I recently quit a 10 year dr prescribed addiction to morphine cold turkey and in my 3rd week of no pain meds. I'm ex military and just a reg joe. I do think Dr. Wallach is onto something good and heading in right direction. So lets find out. I'm will to take before and after photos and will buy a 6 month supply of the BTT when I get funds to do so.

Lots of claims this will cure MD but I've yet to see any proof of this. I weigh 135 pounds now from 185 after jump school. So I figure 6 months worth would be adiquite. Let the proof be in the  pudding. I'm labeled term ill and was suppose to be dead 4 years ago according to docs. No doc has ever told me to go on a supplement diet. But all I ever hear from any is they wanna cut this or pain management that. I have nothing to lose. So when I get my products ill start a journal .

[EvadingGrid]

Hi I'm Matt and I'm new and joined site specifically for this thread. I'd like to challenge Dr. Wallach cure for Muscular Dystrophy. From what I gather he recommends BTT to peeps with it. Well I have Fshd md. So lets put his ideas and products to the test. I'm 38 and have lost all ability to raise my arms over chest height and have lost all back and chest muscles as well as last. My arms and legs are still strong and I'm In much better shape than most with this or any type of md. 

I recently quit a 10 year dr prescribed addiction to morphine cold turkey and in my 3rd week of no pain meds. I'm ex military and just a reg joe. I do think Dr. Wallach is onto something good and heading in right direction. So lets find out. I'm will to take before and after photos and will buy a 6 month supply of the BTT when I get funds to do so.

Lots of claims this will cure MD but I've yet to see any proof of this. I weigh 135 pounds now from 185 after jump school. So I figure 6 months worth would be adiquite. Let the proof be in the  pudding. I'm labeled term ill and was suppose to be dead 4 years ago according to docs. No doc has ever told me to go on a supplement diet. But all I ever hear from any is they wanna cut this or pain management that. I have nothing to lose. So when I get my products ill start a journal .

Sorry to hear that, hope you improve.

[OrganicObiwan]

Sorry to hear that, hope you improve.

Thank you. I hope so to. Im having a conference call with Dr. Wallach tomorrow to set up a diet and supplement program. I gotta admit i was already kinda down when the rep told me to expect to pay between 3 to 500 dollars a month for at least 3 months.